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  1. Yes, things like this happen. It might be that they did escape Hamas, or that Hamas was using them as shields. I would hope that they can determine that the IDF really did kill them or if they were killed by Hamas.

  2. While Israel should be given credit for their transparency in this admission, the pro-palestinian crowd will no doubt jump on this as proof of the “bloodthirsty” nature of the IDF and how they are “indiscriminately” killing civilians. They’ll say that they kill “anyone they see moving” without checking if they are armed or even their own people. (Of course, what will be left unsaid is that this was likely a no-win situation for the IDF as anyone they see moving towards them in gaza has a good chance of having a bomb strapped to their body, even an Israeli hostage.)

  3. I’d like to know the circumstances:

    Fired at a Hamas position. Three of the dead proved to be hostages.

    Fired at figures moving across open ground. Three of the dead proved to be hostages.

    Fired at three figures moving across open ground. The dead proved to be hostages.

    Unless they were in the open with arms raised and no weapons visible–suicide vests to be a question for moments later–it wasn’t a “mistake”. It was dead by combat with an armed enemy.

    It is, legally and morally, entirely at the feet–they lack souls–of Hamas.

  4. Just read that the journalist who was injured and attacked by a drone was left 5 hours on the scene till he died!

    How to justify leaving an innocent person to die and not allowed to be evacuated to hospital?

    I’m not Jewish but I love my mezuzah

    By Sally Quinn
    December 11, 2023
    The Washington Post
    Sally Quinn is an author and journalist who has written extensively for The Post.

  5. «Annexation will turn Israel into a state that officially discriminates against the Palestinian people based on ethnicity, depriving them of civil rights and thereby putting an end to democracy in Israel as we know it. Annexation is a death knell not only for Palestinian national aspirations but also for the founding values of the State of Israel, enshrined in its Declaration of Independence. Such action risks provoking a mounting tide of de-legitimization of Israel and further bouts of anti-Semitism. Annexation will also jeopardize relations between Israel and progressive Jews around the world for whom human rights, equality and democracy are essential principles.…». This is a passage from the appeal launched at the global level by J-Link, an international network featuring Jewish organisations that are active in the United States, Canada, Europe, Latin America, South Africa and Australia. Do you agree?

    Yael Dayan: «My Israel Has Been Betrayed»

  6. Dayan regretted that it took far too long to understand how Israel’s occupation was oppressing Palestinians, and even longer to recognize the consequences for Israeli society. She cited willful ignorance—”a barrier between us and reality”—combined with fear rooted in Jewish victimhood as obstacles to reversing the increasingly anti-democratic trend in Israel. Offering a recent example, Dayan said she was shocked that only a week earlier, on May 28, Israel’s Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein dismissed a case B’Tselem had brought against the authors of Torat Ha’Melech (The King’s Bible) for incitement to racism and violence. In the book, Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yoseph Elizur deem it permissible to kill gentile children because they might kill Jews when they grow up. In 1967, Dayan said, “none of us dreamed that 45 years later, our grandchildren would be born into this reality.”

    Israel is strong, Dayan insisted. The danger is not another Holocaust, which she maintains nobody will again allow, but that Israel is abusing its strength rather than using it to compromise. She urged American Jews to resist “enforced solidarity,” exercise their right to criticize, and not let Israel stand between them and their moral sense.

    Yael Dayan Urges American Jews to Resist “Enforced Solidarity” With Israel

  7. Dayan sr was trained by orde wingate to fight the army of righteousness the terrorist gang funded by the german consulate and headed by a kin of haj amin husseini that was 1936, 11 years before israels founding

    The rest of that garbage needs not to be challenged

  8. Gentiles thsts an odd name for arabs who have been commanded by the koran to kill jews where they find them

  9. JV:

    A little bird tells me you’re an old familiar troll. But I’ll respond anyway.

    Yael Dayan has been a far left peace activist most of her life. As such, she exhibits typical views of that group – in her case, accentuated by anger at her father, a titanic Israeli figure who was not nice to his family and children. She is 84 now and as far as I can tell has been silent regarding the 10/7 attack and its aftermath. Perhaps she is in poor health; I really don’t know, but the writings you quote are from years ago, before the leftist dream of peaceful coexistence had been utterly and completely shattered as it has now been. Even back then, it was very naive and out of touch with reality. The Arab states stated (and acted on, starting many wars) the desire to obliterate Israel right from the start, and have not wavered in that desire. “Occupation” – which only was necessary as a result of those wars, unless you consider Israel’s very existence an “occupation” – had nothing to do with it and still has nothing to do with it. Gaza has been run by Hamas for over a decade and a half, also – no occupation there.

    In addition, that doctrine stated by Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yoseph Elizur is condemned by just about everyone in Israel:

    “Torat Hamelech,” the 2009 book Elitzur co-authored, intended as a compendium of Jewish religious laws on relations between Jews and non-Jews, came under heavy fire for discussing circumstances in which Jewish law permits the killing of non-Jews, based on a selective and controversial reading of Jewish texts.

    Many saw the book as justifying violence against Palestinians and Arabs. One chapter states that the prohibition of “Thou shalt not kill” does not apply to a Jew who kills a gentile. It also claims that it is permitted to kill an enemy during a state of war even if he poses no threat. In addition to a chapter on the spiritual inferiority of non-Jews, the authors write that even noncombatants and children, if they are non-Jewish, may be killed in war.

    While the authors — Elitzur and Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira — are affiliated with the right-wing settler movement, the book and its claims were immediately rejected by the majority of mainstream Orthodox leadership.

    In complete contrast, Hamas and Palestinians are fully behind the indiscriminate torture and murder of Jewish civilians, including babies, the elderly, and the handicapped. Those who kill Jews are rewarded and honored by the entire Palestinian society.

  10. JV has a style very much like Zachriel who shows up regularly on the Maggie’s Farm website. Same style of long quotes with very little commentary to back it up.

  11. “occupation” – had nothing to do with it and still has nothing to do with it. Gaza has been run by Hamas for over a decade and a half, also – no occupation there

    Israel is an occupied force. If you do not like it, this is your problem. All UN resolutions and most of the world see Israeli-occupied forces, as all wrong and you are right?

    Look there is a problem with your thinking and in your mind and sadly you said you studied law. Which law did you learn?
    You forgot that Israelis also behaved as an occupied force in West Bank and Al-Quds and West Bank which is under Palestinian authority. Is this also Hamas’s fault?

    Are you deaf when Israel’s force runs wild?
    What about destroying hospitals to cut any medical aid and also destroying schools that under UN authority, prevent food and supplies to civilians? All this is Hamas’s problem?

    May I ask you, did you forget your family in Eastern Europe’s history of victimisation because of religion and now you apply the same behaviours to the Palestinians (Qaza & West Bank) and you defend Israeli behaviour?
    What do you call this? Hypocrisy, Isn’t Neo?

  12. neo on December 15, 2023 at 8:04 pm said:JV:

    And regarding the journalist killed, it’s called war and being in a war zone.

    91 Journalists were killed in 72 days some there complete families were killed and targeted by Israeli forces and all this “it’s called war and being in a war zone”.

    So why was no Jornlist from CNN or other Western agencies killed, they reporting from a war zone.

    The only way the negotiated peace tabel

    Go hear last Natinyahoo’s speech admitting he stopped Oslo’s agreement.

  13. JV:

    You’re wasting your time and effort with your boilerplate Hamas propaganda efforts. They are constantly and consistently refuted, and we’ve spent enough time doing so here.

  14. Miguel cervantes on December 15, 2023 at 7:49 pm said:
    Gentiles thsts an odd name for arabs who have been commanded by the koran to kill jews where they find them

    Did you know how many Jews killed in 1400 on Islam land?

    Its much far less than those under the cross?

    Do not lie, go read the history, dude, do not create lies and repeating them.

    Did Muslims and Jews in the Middle Ages cohabit in a peaceful “interfaith utopia”? Or were Jews under Muslim rule persecuted, much as they were in Christian lands? Rejecting both polemically charged ideas as myths, Mark Cohen offers a systematic comparison of Jewish life in medieval Islam and Christendom?—?and the first in-depth explanation of why medieval Islamic-Jewish relations, though not utopic, were less confrontational and violent than those between Christians and Jews in the West.

    Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages
    Mark R. Cohen

    Zionist-Revisionism: The Years of Fascism and Terror

  15. neo on December 16, 2023 at 3:39 pm said:
    boilerplate Hamas propaganda

    I am not what you think neo
    I am a normal person, not a Law educated person but grew-up on the right path in human life.

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