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Open thread 6/10/21 — 40 Comments

  1. Ha! I’ve often thought of posing the question on whether you had seen this scene on one of your many, Bee Gee’s posts.

    Question answered.

  2. Actually Airplane was a better movie than Saturday Night Fever. Classic.

  3. No way would, or could, anyone make that movie today. One of my all-time favs. “Don’t call me Shirley” is something we say anytime we hear the word. So glad I have the DVD.

  4. I watched Airport (1970) recently, and later realized that the film was the beginning of the series of sequels that led to Airplane. The original Airport had the usual all-star cast, but also had a good director and production team. But half way through shooting the studio had second thoughts and tried to kill it, only to have the production team dig in their heals. The picture got 10 academy nominations and one win.

  5. TommyJay,

    Actually, the script for “Airplane” comes from a B movie, “Zero Hour.” You are correct that the Zucker brothers and Jim Abrahams parodied aspects of “Airplane” and other disaster films, but the story line comes from “Zero Hour.”

    https://youtu.be/8-v2BHNBVCs

  6. “parodied aspects of ‘Airplane'”
    Should be, “parodied aspects of ‘Airport'”…

  7. Very cool Rufus. I really want to see Zero Hour if I can find it. Arthur Hailey wrote the original screenplay for ZH, and later wrote a related story as a novel that was made into Airport (1970). Sometimes, the copyrights for older films are maintained and sometimes not. The lack of copyright would make parodies and such much easier.

  8. I love Airplane!. Still find the time to watch it every few years or so.

  9. I first saw “Airplane!” in San Jose, Costa Rica. For the local audience, there were Spanish subtitles, but I mostly ignored them and listened to the English. Sometimes I was the only one in the theater laughing. Sometimes I was the only one who wasn’t. That left me desperately working my way through the subtitles, trying to figure out jokes in Spanish. As far as I could tell, the Spanish jokes had little to do with the English ones. Even the sight gags seemed language-dependent. It was an odd experience, but one that seemed right for “Airplane!”.

  10. I’m going to dip my toe into the open-thread idea.

    Through a series of clicks I can no longer remember, I ran across a chart that people here might like to keep handy.

    Here’s a citation and link:

    Responding to social justice rhetoric : a cheat sheet for policy makers / Drs. Bruce Gilley, Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay. Oregon Association of Scholars, 2021.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3d7_TsUcAEdDnz?format=jpg&name=large

    The chart’s organized around a series of statements built like so:
    step 1. When they say …,
    step 2. What they mean is …,
    step 3. Which is …

    I thought the cheat sheet was useful, accurate, and sadly funny.

  11. All time classic. “I picked the wrong day to give up heroin”, “gimme Ham on five and hold the Mayo”, Beaver’s mom translating jive, so many sight gags….

  12. “I picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue.” That’s my favorite. “I have a drinking problem,” always brings a smile.

  13. “so many sight gags….’

    …The PSTD pilot’s seatmates committing suicide rather than listen to his life story, the clueless Peace Corps girl teaching African women how to use Tapperwear*…

    Come on, man, there’s gotta be more!

    *Yes, I know how it is spelled. I didn’t want Neo to be sued.

  14. I imagine that the following is not going to get much media play, but it’s one of those “I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore, Toto” stories.

    The FBI secretly ran a secure-messaging service that ensnared hundreds of criminals in a massive sting

    I don’t feel the least bit sorry for a bunch of slippery criminals. But this is the same FBI that claims that the America’s greatest threat is white supremacy, which some of them interpret as being equivalent to Trump supporters.

  15. @TommyJay:

    Those were some pretty retarded criminals who fell for a ‘Looks too Good to be True’ service. They’d have been far better off googling Rob Brax and picking up a few tips from him.

  16. Ben Shapiro, Friend of the Common Man has some nice things to say about Black Rock and gets some polite push back:

    “I see many people are enraged at Blackrock. Blackrock is buying homes from people willing to sell them. If you don’t like what they’re doing, target the loose governmental policy incentivizing this sort of investment.”

    https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1402984721357938688

    Really what he’s saying is “If you don’t like the policy which drives this phenomenon, simply go form your own lobbying firm and fund it with the the hedge fund you also just happen to have lying around pulling similar stunts to those Black Rock does in order to get rid of the policy…”

    Eat Cake, Little People.

    The impolite push back is over on Gab since if one says any pointedly unkind things to Ben on Twitter, it’s bye-bye Twitter account.

  17. Rufus — you beat me to the punch.

    I saw “Zero Hour” a few months back on TCM. Major amounts of dialogue are directly from the film. I HIGHLY recommend anyone who loves “Airplane” watch “Zero Hour.’

  18. Movies about Airports. There’s The VIPs with Richard Burton, his Floozy, and an ensemble cast of stars set in and around Heathrow in a snowstorm causing flight delay. Apart from the drama itself, is interesting in the way that old Bond movies are for those keen on seeing pristine period designer interiors.

  19. Peter Grant talks about the April 2021 issue of Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association:

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/06/psychoanalysis-or-caricature-of-woke.html

    One article is titled “On Having Whiteness”:

    “Whiteness is a condition one first acquires and then one has—a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. The condition is foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world. Parasitic Whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse. These deformed appetites particularly target nonwhite peoples. Once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate. Effective treatment consists of a combination of psychic and social-historical interventions. Such interventions can reasonably aim only to reshape Whiteness’s infiltrated appetites—to reduce their intensity, redistribute their aims, and occasionally turn those aims toward the work of reparation. When remembered and represented, the ravages wreaked by the chronic condition can function either as warning (“never again”) or as temptation (“great again”). Memorialization alone, therefore, is no guarantee against regression. There is not yet a permanent cure.”

    One might think that this is a cunningly disguised and plausibly deniable April Fool’s Joke. The rest of the articles in same issue:

    I Do Not Have a Racist Bone in My Body”: Psychoanalytic Perspectives on What is Lost and Not Mourned in Our Culture’s Persistent Racism

    Black Rage: The Psychic Adaptation to the Trauma of Oppression

    Murderous Racism as Normal Psychosis: The Case of Dylann Roof

    Observations on Use of the N-Word in Psychoanalytic Conferences

    Crusty old Bowtied sorts will trot out equivalences with Soviet Psychiatry. I say trot out suitable lengths of hemp before the other side gets any more ideas.

    In the interests of Academic Integrity, I should declare my own Conflicts of Interest: White, Bigoted, Certifiably Plain Ornery.

  20. I’ve been watching the new Jordan Peterson videos. The first ones, after he returned from his bizarre health problems and treatments, were frightening. He looked and sounded fragile. He was lit like he was telling ghost stories on Halloween. I was worried.

    However, I’m relieved to say Peterson has returned to form and has been quite productive in the YouTube department. I especially recommend his interview with Theodore Dalrymple (one of my heroes):

    –“Life at the Bottom | Theodore Dalrymple – Jordan B Peterson”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ET7banSeN0&t=5379s

    Then there’s this intriguing one with Roland Griffiths, an elderly, gnomish man who is the “Director of Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins.” I’d never heard of Griffiths, much less he held such a position. Like Jordan Peterson, I was flabbergasted Griffiths had managed to reboot properly scientific studies of the psilocybin experience.

    –“The Psychology of Psychedelics | Roland Griffiths – Jordan B Peterson:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIP-3Q-p_s&t=6882s

    I wouldn’t have predicted Peterson was so knowledgeable and fascinated by psychedelics.

  21. YouTube Algo has thrown up a new channel for me to follow:

    Cap and Ball:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhxuSEoFg1w

    It’s by a Hungarian whose hobby is old firearms. I don’t know much about him, but his love for period weapons, hunting, and life is quietly infectious. He does his hunting in the Mátra Ranges and that was eye-opening to me as my impressions of rural Hungary (never been there) are all Lake Balaton and the Steppe. Highly recommended!

  22. The VIP’s. Nice one. I’ve not seen it. His Floozy? Ah, Liz Taylor. She’s the best! The film had quite the genesis.

    Based on a true story, the movie was a thinly disguised account of screenwriter Terence Rattigan’s real-life friend Vivien Leigh and her attempt to leave her husband Sir Laurence Olivier for Australian actor Peter Finch. Leigh and Finch made it to London’s Heathrow Airport, but their plane was delayed by incoming fog, giving Olivier time to confront the two and bring Leigh home. She abandoned the plan after several hours of fog delay.

    Wow. Those celebs led quite the lives, … which they can keep.

    Zero Hour is available on Amazon and Vudu.
    _______

    For Zaphod, I looked up The Great Looting reference and came up with both of these:
    https://paullikoudis.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-plunder-of-russia-in-the-1990s/
    http://www.revisionist.net/plunder-germany.html

    If it wasn’t so tragic, it would be laughable.
    Rescuing companies out of bankruptcy is a rather esoteric endeavor best suited for those with deep knowledge of the subject. Also, a scenario where basic structures of civil society are in a state of collapse does not inspire confidence for those acquiring entities. I found the commentary a bit ridiculous.

    I saw the Blackrock news today, without much depth. That seems worrisome for two reasons. 1) Blackrock has a massive amount of money. In olden days (10+ years ago) investors would take a very dim view of intentionally losing money. These days, it’s all politics. 2) Home prices are not low. They’re rather high. Why would a company engage in a buying spree?

  23. @Huxley:

    “I wouldn’t have predicted Peterson was so knowledgeable and fascinated by psychedelics.”

    Have you read his Maps of Meaning? From back before he became Gen Z Jesus?

    A very complicated fellow. I think he’s mostly sincere, but like all gurus, there’s feet of clay and also a touch of divine madness. I should get around to watching his post-crackup videos as one of the common themes of Gurugenesis is the Mental/Physical Collapse followed by the Resurrection + New Insights. Not mocking the man today.. genuinely interested to see if can discern much of a change.

  24. Have you read his Maps of Meaning? From back before he became Gen Z Jesus?

    Zaphod:

    I listened/watched Maps from the YouTubes. I know Peterson goes deep, but since he is somewhat conservative and one of his rules for living is “Make your bed,” I figured he was probably “Don’t do drugs” as well.

    God knows, most participants here at Neo’s House are that way. I’ve seen too many people flame out or fall out myself that I don’t recognize some wisdom to that.

    However, Peterson gets there is a genuine mystery to psychedelics and he is fascinated by it. I can tell he has read many of the same books I have and he has many of the same questions. Worse than that, he is willing to speak his mind publicly on the subject!

    The excesses of the 60s/70s notwithstanding, humanity still has a rendezvous to settle with psychedelics.

  25. @TJ:

    Luckily the same old same old folks never got to pull the same looting stunt in the PRC or the Hate Machine would have to spare some of its Anti-Putin Invective for the Yellow Emperor. Funny how Abramovich never gets much stick — when you get down to it he backed Putin to do a some much-needed Police Action on his fellow Co-ethnic Looters — the fact that it did no harm to Putin or Abramovich’s bank balances being no small matter. But culling the herd was a net win-win for them and for the Russians at large. Things are far from perfect, but much, much better now than the 90s trajectory was headed toward.

    Meanwhile, back in China… get too big for your Oligarchical Boots and you’ll find that Emperor Xi has a Procrustean Bed ready for you to be fitted to:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/06/07/the-sad-end-of-jack-ma-inc/?sh=9f63100123a8

  26. @TJ:

    Re High-tech Shooting. Have you had a look at O’Neill Ops on YouTube? It’s vermin control rather than game hunting, but the cinematography and technique is quite something.

    Their videos shot in winter have a certain wild beauty about them.

    The Demolition Ranch channel is good for a laugh. Usually ends up with whatever object being demolished encountering an incendiary .50 BMG round.

  27. Re: drugs…

    Recently I did a web trawl on the magic mushroom state of the art. We’re not in Kansas anymore.

    Only a few years ago one could order a mushroom spore syringe and a grow kit, then 4-6 weeks later, if all went well and no contamination, one might have a crop for consumption.

    Today one can still go the spore/grow kit route, but one can also order magic mushrooms or capsules of same in a plain brown wrapper, skip all the mushroom grow lore, and get straight to tripping.

    Cambridge and Denver have flat decriminalized magic mushrooms.

    Apparently the Post Office isn’t checking and no one is getting busted. There are even websites openly advertising LSD, ketamine and DMT for sale.

    Even as a libertarian when it comes to psychedelics, this gives me pause.

  28. Have you heard or read much about the DMT Thing? Users claiming to see ‘Elves’?

    Zaphod:

    I guess you missed the Terence McKenna connection. Terence was all over DMT elves. He died in 2000.

    –“Terence McKenna – DMT Elves ( with Drawing Timelapse )”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tGPM7ZxgOM

    Peterson and Griffiths discussed the DMT entities too.

    McKenna was most eloquent in his love of psilocybin mushrooms. Yet, when I read deeper into his life, I discovered he had had one phenomenal, terrifying bummer on mushrooms at the end of the 80s, such that he never took a serious mushroom trip again — although he continued to proselytize them.

  29. @Huxley:

    Interesting. All a bit new to me. In my callow youth I was dismissive of these things as just pure degeneracy, despite having enjoyed reading the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test and little else on the topic. Now considerably more open-minded and nuanced, as I am about all topics 🙂

    When I was living in Tokyo back around 2000, mushrooms were not illegal because the law hadn’t caught up.

    https://www.stippy.com/only-in-japan/when-magic-mushrooms-were-legal-in-japan/

    So they stomped on that in 2002 around the time I left.

    At night time in Shibuya, the stalls would get set up and there’d be these Western-looking types selling fake Rolexes (of the better more convincing class) and magic mushrooms — this was a naive young fellow’s introduction to the existence of (how can such a thing be?) the Israeli Mafia. I kid you not. In a curious irony, the Fake Phone Card business was dominated by the Iranian Mafia. Doubt either group’s business success survived arrival of the Chinese en-masse during that decade though.

  30. @Zaphod: I have been to Hungary, back in the summer of ’93. I almost got run over by a herd of horses being driven along in the Puszta – it’s one of my little party stories. 🙂 In my photo collection is a dramatic frame of that moment. We also went to an old-school mom-and-pop indigo factory out in the country; quite a nice place. Hungary reminded me a lot of Michigan, actually. I would not at all turn up my nose at a chance to go back, could I but learn a little bit more of the language first.

  31. @Philip Sells:

    And there’s Tokaji… Never forget the Tokaji!

    Patrick Leigh Fermor tells some good tales of Budapest and then the Pustza in the early 1930s when he went on his long walk.

    Difficult language for sure. I like the surname first convention.

    Just dug out a list of common Hungarian surnames:

    http://www.budapestagent.com/most-common-hungarian-surnames.html

    Takács means Weaver — nice to learn… which I’ll keep in mind next time when listening the Takács Quartet play Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge.

  32. A cornucopia of interviews and stories collected over the years for anyone interested in hearing OG psychedelic voices.

    https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcasts/
    Podcast 316 is dedicated to consideration of the Bad Trip which put McKenna on the ropes.

    Host “Lorenzo” rarely posts new podcasts anymore, preferring to host weekly live Discord sessions.

  33. I find it interesting that few, if any here, take the subject of UFOs to be a serious one, worthy of any attention, since, if it actually turns out to be a subject worthy of serious attention–in terms of its impact, of its ability to completely change our entire world-view, and our estimate of our place in the world and the Universe, to influence just about everything–it may turn out to be the most important current subject worthy of serious attention.

    In a long and actually straight and serious video interview with a reporter from, of all “news” organizations, the Washington Post, Luiz “Lue” Alizondo clarified a number of things about the current state of play, and the upcoming UAP Report for the Senate Intelligence Committee. *

    Alizondo pointed out that there are basically three explanations for the sources of these UFOs, which the DOD has recently admitted are a real phenomenon:

    1. As some have asserted, they could possibly be aircraft that are part of a highly classified, very secret U.S. weapons program.

    2. Or, they are craft made by our adversaries i.e. Russia or China, who have made a huge, multi-generational technological leap over us.

    3. Or, they are from “elsewhere.”

    Alizondo went on to point out that the DOD has recently stated that these UFOs are not part of any secret U.S. weapons program, thus eliminating possibility #1.

    As for possibility #2 since, in the modern era, UFOs started to appear in numbers in the 1940s, when both Russia and China were relatively primitive technologically, since both China and Russia have reported the same kinds of sightings as we have, and since we have focused our intelligence assets on observing Chinese and Russian military weapon systems and their respective military R & D, it would be a highly unlikely and a massive intelligence failure if we had failed to know about any extremely highly advanced technology (Alizondo estimated such technology to be 50 to 1,000 years ahead of current technology) sufficient to create such UFOs that they would have developed.

    Alizondo was very careful and coy in his answers, but this really only leaves alternative #3 as the last one standing.

    In the case of alternative #3, Alizondo said that we should be very broad and thinking “outside of the box” in our conceptualization of what such an alternative source for these UFOs might be.

    Thus, just some of the possible sources for these UFOs could be extraterrestrial.

    However, other alternatives might be that these UFOs originate from other, parallel Universes, that they are time-travellers from very highly developed ancient or future Earths, or it could be that that they originate from an entirely new and unknown source.

    Alizondo also pointed out that there were two constants in these world-wide observations of UFOs; first, that they tended to be interested in/to congregate around nuclear weapons sites—nuclear weapons storage facilities, weapons systems, nuclear armed ships, etc. and, second, that they tended to appear over and underwater, and had been observed moving underwater at incredible speeds, far higher that any current earthly technology could generate.

    Alizondo also disclosed some new information i.e. that while here has been at least one incident (in 1967 at Malmstrom AFB in Montana) of UFOs hovering over a U.S. nuclear missile installation and deactivating, taking those missiles “off line,” Alizondo mentioned in this interview that there have also been incidents, overseas, in which UFOs “activated” nuclear weapons, putting them “on line.”

    * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWsw10JLOg

  34. P. S.–Alizondo also said that he thought that this upcoming UAP Report would only be a “placeholder,” and that 180 days was far too short a time (“less time than it takes to remodel some kitchens”) to come up with a comprehensive Report, and that he thought that this Report would likely just say that the government didn’t know what these UFOs were.

    What Alizondo advocated to create a Report was an “all of government” effort which drew information from all relevant sources in order to create a thorough and comprehensive Report that would take a lot more time than 180 days to create.

    Asked if he would violate his NDA and disclose to the public what he knew about UFOs if he thought that the UAP Report was a whitewash, Alizondo said that while he would never violate his NDA, if there was a whitewash he would likely run for Congress to try get the truth out.

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