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That lone Jewish Iranian representative: the history of religious minorities in Iran — 21 Comments

  1. Then there are the Bahai- severely persecuted in Iran, and I notice they don’t warrant representation…

  2. A lot of people don’t know this, but Russian divisions would disappear down the hole and not come up if they tried to fight in Iraq

    The combined military might of the entire Northern Hemisphere couldn’t succede in Iraq or Afghanistan. But the United States alone could and are.

    It’s amazing how many billions our allies are paying to reconstruct Afghanistan and Iraq. A lot of people seem to think that means you can always win a guerrila war if you throw money and men at the people. Quantity over quality.

    It’s been a long time since the powers on this globe has fought a war by themselves.

  3. – a token Jew in the Legislature is worth two in the ghetto, or so they say. We can probably trace alot of this back to Saladin, who upon extending his reach even further and into Egpyt pretty much wiped out what the Fatimids of Cairo had been able to achieve, including a fair degree of religious tolerance and great importance granted to the arts and sciences. Dar al-Hikma was an impressive learning center but ol’ Saladin pretty much put the kibosh on it and essentially looted it and he began to confine and restrict scholars. This is just my opinion, but again, I think it set a trend and pattern for future islamic rulers.

  4. What happens to this guy if he steps out of line?

    Steps out of line — they’ll treat him like a King [Rodney] …More humor. lol

  5. Of unexpected consequences: It’s interesting that Christopher Columbus discovered the New World because of the Fall of Constantinople. His expedition was in search of new trade routes to India. If it were not for Islamic Jihad, America would not have been discovered by Europeans, but would have probably have been settled by Russians or Chinese. Perhaps human freedom would not have had a foothold in the world. England’s emerging progressive democracy could not have stood alone. This is not a good thing from Jihad, but an unexpected consequence. Don’t diminished the gift of human freedom; we were first lucky, then came the hard work — none of which I can take any credit for. We chat online, enjoy extra sleep on Saturdays, tinker with hobbies, live and love whom we wish, work extra jobs if we please — and we are not even Nobles, just little people living on the planet. I can even steal a little piece of candy at the store, without the fear of having my hand chopped off — absurd, but I take it for granted, the world could have been much more sinister. And who says it still can’t be? The utterly exorbitant comforts of Civilization can be one incredible Matrix from the burning flesh of barbarity.

  6. Can’t help but wonder if this one Jewish representative in the Majlis isn’t the typical “happy ehnic minority” or “happy religious minority” type that the Chinese, for instance, drag out to show tourists on their “Potemkin Villiage” tours. What happens to this guy if he steps out of line?

  7. Someone’s basing their facts from the movie, “Kingdom of Heaven”?

    Speaking of movies I can’t wait to see that new movie “Islam: ….” I can’t remember the title!

  8. yeah well on those grounds you should give the US back to the “native” americans. And it was the Romans really messed things up for the Jews and it is a VERY long time ago

    That’s a black and white analysis, simplistic reduction. In fact, Europeans started the wars with Native Americans.

  9. yeah well on those grounds you should give the US back to the “native” americans. And it was the Romans really messed things up for the Jews and it is a VERY long time ago

  10. “the first crusade was a rather murderous enterprise. The population of Jerusalem were slain by liberating christians for a start. And in many places and at any different times Islamic societies have been tolerant of a wide range of different religious beliefs – certainly more than the uncivilised crusaders were.”

    Not true. At various times Jews did well in different parts of Europe. And Islam was at least as bloody as Christianity toward Jews and Christians.

    The Crusades – in which the Christians were as bloody as the Muslims – were a reaction by Christians to Muslim invasion of Christian countries. What is now Turkey used to be part of the Byzantine Empire, which was Christians. The Hagia Sophia was a church before it was a mosque. Jews and Christians lived in Palestine, Muslims invaded and massacred and took slaves soon after Islam was founded.

    The land was originally the Jews’, and it would have been nice if they gave it back to us, but it certainly was Christian land before it was Muslim land.

  11. I wonder how many in the religious minorities even bother to go vote. He probably got elected by his family and friends.

  12. look yrmadwankr history is a lot more complicated than your childish black and white view….go and read some.

    …here is a little thought exercise for you. try to picture what life in iran would be like now without the anglo-us inspired coup of’53. go on think outside your stupid little box for once.

    and iraqi shock troops? god almighty they can’t even ontrol iraq……

  13. The question people should ask is. If Saladin’s forces in the Crusades were more civilized than Richard the Lionhearted’s, then what became of the vaunted “Arab civilization” and what then became of the European civilization?


    I propose moving control of the holy sites to Turkey, and depriving Iran and the House of Saud of that honour.

    I propose using Iraqi shock troops to annex Iranian territory and towns, and introduce “imperial democracy” to Iraq’s fellow Shia brothers and sisters living under fanaticism and a heretical religious order.

    Islamic states went into the toilets, and they did that quite handily without Western help.

  14. That’s all good, but if I may, Islamic societies have been tolerant of a wide range of different religious beliefs yes they have been tolerant and have practiced under the law of Sharia “dhimmitude” which is to “accept a condition of humiliation” which includes “dress codes”, taxes for non-believers, second class citizenship, or death, etc…

    Where are the Great Zoroastrians today? Or the Nestorian Mongol Christians? Or the large Jewish and Christian populations of the ancient Middle East? Or the once great Empire of India? etc… Completely or to a degree they have assimilated under dhimmitude or died under the sword, preferring to convert than live in hopelessness for generations, or forced into armed serve; “Mamluks” [non-muslim slave soldiers]

    The principal key factor is what was then is still the normal — Islam has not changed, there has been no modernization of Islam, no Enlightenment, no Reformation, no New Testament, no moral code such as the 10 Commandments; as then as it is now, convert, or be a slave; if not a slave, then die [see 9/11]

  15. Neo, it is difficult to understand why any rational being would prefer the Ayatollah’s Sharia

    Men

    Under Sharia, men have complete and total power. It is not benevolent in the least, it is an orgy of joyous blood-letting — hence the derivation, “Islamofascist”.

  16. And yet, what are the two established islamic nations who wish to have and retain control of the islamic holy places? Saudi Arabia (Mecca, Medina) and Iran (Shia sites in Iran and Iraq).

    Iran sees itself as the rightful guardian of shia sites–even those in Iraq. This will be a bone of contention, perhaps decided by the neutron chain reaction.

    Neo, it is difficult to understand why any rational being would prefer the Ayatollah’s Sharia with its purges and bloodletting, to the Shah. Although the Shah was an autocrat, compared to the mullahs he appears almost enlightened.

    I propose moving control of the holy sites to Turkey, and depriving Iran and the House of Saud of that honour.

  17. yeah well the first crusade was a rather murderous enterprise. The population of Jerusalem were slain by liberating christians for a start. And in many places and at any different times Islamic societies have been tolerant of a wide range of different religious beliefs – certainly more than the uncivilised crusaders were. The radicalised version you get in Iran and Saudi Arabia certainly is not – but don’t make the mistake of lumping them all in together.

  18. Edward Said (1935-2003) describes some of the conflicts between Palestinians and Jews and here in is, impart, a denial. He does not refer to Israeli, but Jews, as if Israel was not an ethnically pluralist state. Another criticism is that individuals who find themselves as rulers of foreign lands do so best with power and intelligence, intelligence as in knowledge of the history and people of whom they rule — and ruling them in the way of the native culture not the occupying culture. An Islamic population simply can not co-exist within a democracy with other religions in peace, dhimmitude forbids it. In the Shah’s Iran, a non-Muslim ruling over a Muslim people in any circumstance would have been unbridgeable, intolerable

    This is because this is no Islamic doctrine to loop around it — no Reformation, no New Testament, nor a moral code like the 10 Commandments to “Treat your neighbor like you would like to be treated.”

    Just, “The unbeliever is unclean” …and actually more than just this.

    It’s like the situation with black Mississippi legislators during Reconstruction (1865—1877), if Federal troops had not been present it would never have happened. Speaking of Reconstruction, one hundred years later Freedom Summer was organized to protect the rights of black Mississippians to exercise their lawful right to vote — what are the parallels between this and the first Crusade launched to protect Christian minorities in the Holy Land? Today, Mississippi is a vastly different society — and for the better.

  19. When the Shah came to power he furthered religious tolerance in the country and even ignored the ban on non-Shiite Moslems in government. During his regime there were not only some non-Moslems in government; even some members of the previously most reviled group, the Bahais, served. This all ended with the 1979 Islamic revolution, which restored the rule of sharia law.

    Anything is better than the hated Shah.

  20. Representation or the ability to represent one’s country shouldn’t be based on their religious affiliation. It is too bad that this is still even an issue in today’s world. Maybe one day we will move beyond judgement to acceptance.

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