Countering the mendacious “Palestine” maps
You may have seen a series of maps of “Palestine” that have been circulated for a while by pro-Palestinian propagandists. Here’s a refutation. If you ever encounter someone touting these purposely misleading maps, you might refer them to that article.
Then again, the article is long, and a lot of people have very short attention spans these days. For them, this would be a better learning tool:
Jews do not have to state their case for Palestine. It’s ours. Case closed.
Much like santa ana every war they lost more territory
What I find amazing is that Gaza is the same size as Lanai (141 sq miles – I was initially using Martha’s Vineyard, 96 sq m, as comparison because it is more familiar to me) with a population of 2.1 million! Hard to imagine. Of note, the 2007 population was 1.4 million so that’s some odd genocide. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7891434.stm
Lanai is approx 3,360 people. (Interesting fact Larry Ellison, Oracle, owns 98% – purchased for $300M in 2012)
Countering the “National Unity! National Unity! NATIONAL UNITY!” flounce, has Benny Gantz unstitched himself with his obiescience to Biden? Gang aft agley! Ha!: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/386644
I always figure if it’s the Palestinians saying it, they are lying.
When I come across these Palestinians apologists (only online so far), I ask them where were the Palestinians Arabs 3000 years ago? Then I tell them that 3000 years ago the Jews were in Israel.
Of course it doesn’t matter to them, as they are not rational people.
• This video was well done, and she hit on many key points familiar to those who have studied the history of the area (e.g., usage of names/ flags, Ottoman Empire, League of Nations, Trans Jordon).
• My experience – both professional & personal – is that you should present an alternative too if you wish to change the minds of those that are open to a fact-based approach (i.e., a wrong something will almost always beat nothing).
• In this case, the alternative should expand the focus to make the point that what happened after WWI was not unique to the territory that came to be modern Israel – but what has happened to the Jewish state of Israel is unique.
• That alternative should use maps that reflect:
a) What happened to the pre-WWI Ottoman Empire & German Empire after WWI,
b) Which League of Nations members controlled the mandates made-up of former Ottoman & German territory, and
c) What happened to the former League of Nations mandates over time.
• With that expanded focus it is easy to draw attention to the fact that of all the League of Nations mandates established after WWI, only the territory that became Israel is subject to the level of “scrutiny” and “standards” that Israel has been subjected to. That none of the former African or Oceania mandates – or other Middle East mandates – have ever been called illegitimate, or are still struggling to have their authority and borders accepted.
Thanks for sharing.
yes the mandate was cobbled together from three sanjaks or districts, as modern day syria arose from damascus homs, and at least one ottoman partition, there was some overlap but none that could justify the claims of the Islamic State, interesting thing I discovered from the Haj, which I learned doesn’t refer to the pilgrimage but the sheikh that dominates the story, for some 50 years, Amman used to be referred as Philadelphia,
this is what I was referring to,
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ottoman_levant.png
that guy:
Good point. I’ve often wondered why such comparisons are rarely made. But I think the reason has to do with people having such short attention spans these days.
The video was better than the too long article, especially with at least a brief mention of The British Mandate, and the huge amount of land for Jordan.
The Shany Mor middle maps are excellent in idea, political control, but lousy in differentiation of Egypt, Jordan, & Israel control.
I’m particularly missing the huge Israeli occupation of Sinai, after the ‘73 Yom Kipper (surprise attack) war, which was given back to Egypt while Egypt did not much want the Pali terrorists from Gaza, and the annexation by Israel of the Golan Heights.
The 20%+ 2 million Israeli Arabs* would be better shown as thin blue stripes in Israel. Also to emphasize that Only in Jewish dominated Israel do Jews and Arabs live peacefully together. Jordan and Egypt already did a big amount of ethnic cleansing of Jews. As all other Muslim countries as well.
War mapper on twitter is good to see IDF progress in the 5 districts of Gaza. Increasing its size by adding desert land might be a good idea, but hard for Israelis to agree to.
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I like to point out Israel is size of New Jersey, should add up area Arabs have to compare
“…they are not rational people…”
Well, um, er, yes and no.
To be sure, their rationality is a bit different than that of certain others, and runs, as far as I can tell, like this:
1. Israel is an illegitimate country.
2. Ergo, Israel’s creation was illegitimate and illegal.
3. Ergo, this grotesque injustice should be rectified. IOW, Israel should therefore not exist.
4. Ergo, ANY MEANS that will bring about the end of Israel’s existence is JUST. It is not just JUST: it is permitted, encouraged. And BLESSED. (Moreover, Israel’s supporters deserve to be chastised, hounded, intimidated and attacked. And if they don’t understandy why, then more!)
5. Ergo, the destruction of Israel is necessary (see point 4 above.)
6. Q.E.D.
Many others have been “persuaded”—and are being “persuaded”—that such reasoning is in fact the “ne plus ultra” (AKA “cutting edge”) of MORALITY, ETHICS and JUSTICE…
…and so, IRRATIONAL?
To quote the esteemed presidents (or past presidents) of the Universities of Harvard, Columbia and Pennsylvania, and no doubt countless and myriads other schools of higher education (but don’t ask me what they’re smoking), “It depends on the context…”
Hold on! Just wait a second!! How is it possible that RATIONALITY depends on context??
Touche! An excellent question!!
…The answer is that, um, the only answer is, well…that would depend on the context.
(Um, wouldn’t it?)
“Rational”, continued…
“Palestinian Authority Forms United Front With Hamas To Fight Israel”—
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20482/palestinian-authority-united-hamas
Key grafs:
Got that? If you lie enough, you can become, or be seen as, super—even uber—rational!!
(Just like “Biden”…)
What’s that you say? “Biden” and his arch-enemy Putin working together towards the same goal??
Why, why, why…that’s preposterous… (Next thing you’ll be telling me is that “Biden” stole an election….)
“Rational”!!!….(the gift that never stops giving!?)
‘ Israel trained cattle to spy on Palestinian village, says PA daily;
‘ “On the neck of each cow, they hang a medallion with an eavesdropping and recording device on it, and sometimes cameras, in order to monitor every detail” in a Palestinian village, a village elder told the publication.”—
https://www.jns.org/israel-trained-cattle-to-spy-says-pa-daily/
Now, if they had claimed it was “goats” and “sheep”, that would have been a lot more believable…
I do frequently encounter people who pretend that there was once a Palestine, which was presumably stolen.
I ask them: can you point to its borders? Can you show an example of pre-20th-century Palestinian currency? Can you name a single pre-WWI ruler who proclaimed, in his own language, “I am a Palestinian, the ruler of Palestine”?
They cannot. None of these things existed.
Thanks for the video, Neo! I did miss a detail (in the the “1st map”) — no, that was not all “Palestinian land”, the vast majority of it was state-owned land, inherited by the British from the Ottomans in WWI, and abandoned by the British in 1948. It belongs to whoever won the 1948 war, which was Israel.
In fact, where else in the world does territory change hands in war, causing the losers to demand a do-over… and be taken seriously?
The irony is that Israel has long been willing to talk with the Palestinians, about GIVING them land on which to form a state. But this is never acceptable to the Palestinians… in large part, because Israel insists that Palestinian terror must stop first. And there the negotiations break down.
Barry Meislin, I wish I could have seen this coming, but I never do. I believe what you are talking of is logic not reason. I was taught that the two are not synonymous. Logic is most like a computer program, if A, then B or a little bird tweeting in a meadow. Whereas I learned that using reason, the Palestinian apologists would look into the claims of both sides of the conflict and make a…..reasoned judgment or decision . And actually know what the slogans they chant mean.
To be fair many people and dictionaries do use logic and reason as synonyms. Like I said I was taught differently. Please don’t get me started on decimate.
Thanks JFM for that reasonable explanation.
(Or should that be logical?)
Whatever.
I now—finally—do understand the distinction—or should that be, “difference”? At least I think I do…)
File under: I am; therefore I think?
Barry and JFM, when I first went to college I was going to major in math and a course in logic was required. I learned from the course that in any logical system the assertions follow the rules of logic regardless of whether they are true or not in the “real” world except …
There must be at least two assertions, “irreducible postulates”, that are accepted without proof. They gave a complicated explanation but my intuitive understanding was that this was necessary to prevent circular logic.
Another way of describing these assertions accepted without proof is that they are accepted “on faith”.
When the “faith” is Islam that leads to the “logic” Barry describes.
You might also be interested in a post I did on this subject where I derived some maps from a 30m long 1982 documentary on the same history.
The post is Whose Land Is It? Almost a Biblical Story
And the map is
https://i.imgflip.com/8janhw.jpg