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  1. Live free… or DEI….
    (AKA the wages of reparations….)
    Oh well, there are untold numbers of examples, unfortunately…but let’s go with this one—hot off the press (and because Georgia is such a law-abiding state, especially when it comes to elections…right, Stace?)…
    “Fanigate Widens: Atlanta Trump Prosecutor’s Alleged DA Lover Met With White House Counsel Before Indictment”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-trump-prosecutor-accused-secret-disqualifying-romance-da-fani-willis

    File under: Vengeance is MINE, sayeth The B(iden)LM….

    + “Bonus”…
    “Victor Davis Hanson: A Culture In Collapse”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/victor-davis-hanson-culture-collapse
    – – – – – – – –
    And it looks as though Michelle—right on cue!—has been “re-triggered” (or should that be “re-re-triggered”? “Switched back on”?)…
    ‘Here We Go: Michelle Obama Says She’s “Terrified” Of Trump Winning’—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/here-we-go-michelle-obama-says-shes-terrified-trump-winning

    (She’s really growing into her role as Public Intellectual Number 1, isn’t she! To make her safe, it looks like Trump will just have to be put away…)

  2. And now we sing the rebel song! “Rebels are we, born to be free, just like the fish in the sea!”

  3. Related:
    “”Where Meritocracy Goes To Die” – DEI Is ‘Racist, Bigoted, Collective Punishment'”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/where-meritocracy-goes-die-dei-racist-bigoted-collective-punishment

    It even quotes some of Gad Saad’s poetry:
    “…Those who support DIE are using consequentialism to justify an otherwise deontological violation.”

    WTF! That’s glorious!! Really leaves “Slouching toward Bethlehem to be born” in the dust…
    (To be truthful, though, I’m not sure I get the gist of it, exactly, but it sure sounds good. And the meter is breathtaking—all those long words…what a gem—Huxley? Could you get your ChatAI Best Bud on this right away! I assume it does translations. BTW, does he/she/it understand WTF?)

  4. Rebel Leader: “In event of snake bite, you make an incision and you suck out the poison. Remember, you must *suck* out the poison. What do you do?”

    Rebel Soldier: “Suck out the poison.”

    Rebel Soldier #2: “Suck out – the poison.”

    Rebel Soldier #3: “Suck out the poison.”

    Fielding Mellish: “I will not, I cannot, suck anybody who I am not engaged to.”

    Snake Bite Lady: [running topless through the camp, clasping her breast] “Snake bite! I got bitten by a snake! I got bitten by a snake! Help! Snake bite! Help!”

    [Fielding chases after her, followed by all the rebels]

  5. Had a murder of crows that lived on our farm. Lot of fun to watch their antics and how they interacted with my dogs.

    They bugged Sadie, my miniDach, to no end until she’d go inside.

    Ollie, my black Lab, simply paid them no mind regardless of what they did.

    Sam, my best boy, had more of a ‘relationship’ with them. He found them interesting and since he never aggressed, they would walk all around him and even nose-to-nose on occasion.

  6. see what I mean, he had some odd notion, allen did, al schanker apparently started the nuclear war that led to this huxleyan tableau in sleeper,

  7. I’ve seen him on tucker and gutfeld, he has a keen sense of the absurd,

    like bugs bunny, (who was allens inspiration) you can’t take this at face value,

  8. Continuing what Kate brought up in previous days: this morning I went to the Fox News site and 8 out of 10 top stories required a login to read; including the lede. Has anyone actually registered and what is the effect? I would suspect they are actually losing eyes on site because of this change. Anyone heard of any feedback?

  9. From redstate.com

    REVEALED: Reuters and AP ‘Journalists’ Live-Streamed Themselves Encouraging Gazans to Invade Israel

    Dead men walking.

  10. It took 60 years, but Martin Sheen has finally met a Kennedy he doesn’t like. He was invited to RFK Jr.’s 70th birthday party and he isn’t going, because he supports Biden. Cast members from The West Wing have been delegated, or have taken it upon themselves, to report which invitees aren’t attending. I guess “President Bartlett” still thinks of them as his loyal and obedient staffers, but maybe they have political ambitions themselves.

  11. sheen narrated jfk, which is kind of ironic in this context, then again in his early years, he played villains like quincy tremont (evil cia type) and greg stillson (evil redneck evangelical politician)

    of course stone followed garrison, who followed a dezinforma trail that mitrokhin and later max holland discerned, the whole
    clay shaw, Permindex twist,

    sheen was an adopter of the nuclear freeze another maskirovna the soviets pitched to Carl Sagan, tretyakov was still amused by this, 20 years later,

  12. Fascinating. A billionaire investor has effectively declaired war on the higher education DEI set after they went after his wife.

    “Yesterday evening, shortly after I posted that we were launching a plagiarism review of all current MIT faculty, President Kornbluth, members of MIT’s administration, and its board, I am sure that an audible collective gasp could be heard around the campus.

    “Why? Well, every faculty member knows that once their work is targeted by AI, they will be outed. No body of written work in academia can survive the power of AI searching for missing quotation marks, failures to paraphrase appropriately, and/or the failure to properly credit the work of others.

    “But it wasn’t just the MIT faculty that did not sleep last night. The Harvard faculty, its governing board members, and its administrative leadership did not sleep either. Because why would we stop at MIT?

    “Don’t we have to do a deep dive into academic integrity at Harvard as well?

    “What about Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Dartmouth? You get the point.”

  13. But Biden himself is a plagiarist.
    And he would seem to set the tone….

    “If you don’t vote for me then you ain’t a plagiarist”…sounds about right….

  14. I guess we should blame john wells who gave george clooney a swelled head on er, that we will never live down, otherwise he would be strictly b movie material, for the popularity of the West Wing,

  15. Miguel, Wells was (IIRC), a producer for the entire West Wing run, but only began to actively control the direction of the show after Aaron Sorkin left after the 4th season.

  16. I stand corrected, sorkin runs hot and gold, a few good men, and the facebook film, the rest was meh, charlie wilson’s war was meh, even with phillip seymour hofffman’s part, tom hanks wasn’t a good casting,

    the mirror image was shonda rimes scandal, I swear kamala must have binged on their thread bare narratives,

  17. My feeling about Sorkin is that, when all he’s allowed to do is write, he’s great (even if you don’t agree with him). A Few Good Men and The Social Network being, as you observed, prime examples.

    It’s when he assumes a greater role that he gets into trouble. I sat through Molly’s Game, which he directed. Ugh.

  18. Sorkin’s strength has always been writing witty, entertaining banter between characters. His garden variety Hollywood Limousine Liberal politics with all its cliches and false interpretations of Conservatives can on occassion make his work too predictable and boring if not outright insufferable.

  19. in network, saverin played by andrew garfield, and the vinklevossi, played by arnie hammer, are the butt of the joke, by eisenberg’s zuckerburg, who really comes off as a smarmy character,

    He gave the best lines as Colonel Jessup, the best lines even Caffey is supposed to be the hero, (who was supposedly based on David Iglesias a JAG who as US Atty would refuse to prosecute Bill Richardson for corruption)

    this was in the era before Guantanamo became the Black Hole of Calcutta, in liberal imaginings, the Mauritanian, by the facilitator of the Hamburg mosque why would he lie, right, is the distillation of that,
    based on his memoirs and what he fooled the prosecutor into believing

  20. physicsguy, apparently others here, like me, have been too wary of the “free” Fox News account to sign up for it. At this point, I’m not going there nearly as much.

  21. Kate,

    Yes, they’re not getting my email.

    Hope this storm is not too bad for you. They hyped it big time here..so much Duval county canceled school for today. Squall line moving through now, not as bad as anticipated.

  22. Secretary Austin:

    It has just been announced that SecDef Austin went in originally for surgery to address prostate cancer.

    So all of you who thought he was having a sex change so he’d fit in better with this administration, you were wrong. Hah.

  23. thats the story they are going with, ok, we’ll go with that

    why was no one informed in the chain of command,

  24. Thanks, physicsguy. Looks like Mobile and the FL Panhandle took some hits. We are under a tornado watch, with the main front still west of us. We’re likely to be fine.

  25. Sorkin is the Paddy Chayefsky of his generation. That is not a compliment. Both wrote speeches for dialogue and characters who spoke glibly in long paragraphs. I can’t stand anything Sorkin has had a hand in writing or producing.

  26. And back to ravens…… Where I live we see ravens everyday. I’ve seen them having a great time messing with people. One day I saw three ravens on the edge of a local grocery store. As people walked underneath, the ravens kicked snow on their heads. For the fun of it.

  27. well some of chavefsky was good, altered states not in that category, network and the hospital hits the right level of absurdity, the latter very prescient,
    they tried to adapt network to the stage a few years ago, it couldn’t keep up

    David Hare on the british end, with the Worricker series, likewise, has caught up to reality,

  28. RE: UFOs–a new “Jellyfish” video

    Here is new UFO video from Jeremy Corbell—it is a military sensor video from a combat area some were in the Middle East, the same area, it looks like, where military sensors picked up prior images of the metallic looking spheres.

    This time, though, military sensors captured a very strange, irregular, semi-transparent oblong object with what looks like dangling legs, and it fades in and out of it’s infrared sensor image; an object which has been dubbed the “jellyfish.”

    Corbell says that there were also direct eyewitnesses who saw this object, and they said that the dangling leg like projections had what looked like some sort of “scales” on them.

    These witnesses also observed this UFO travel over a nearby body of water, drop down under water for 15 minutes, then, emerge, and shoot off into the sky at a 45% angle.

    Corbell says in the clip below that this is not the first time such a UFO has been seen, and that there was a similar UFO which was witnessed to go between the buildings at a U.S. nuclear research facility.

    This clip also includes the information that perennial UFO skeptic/debunker Mick West claims that this image is either a smudge on a lens, or a bunch of balloons, neither of which is anywhere near a credible explanation for the object seen on this video.*

    * See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j3DFbMsadg

  29. Wonders never cease, someone says them flying sorcerors are real and are zooming around them nuklear cites!

    ” …. neither of which is anywhere near a credible explanation for the object seen on this video.”

    Suspension of disbelief isn’t just essential for movies.

  30. So I watched UFO video. Unfortunately, the object looks suspiciously similar to the Empire’s drones that were deployed on the planet Hoth in the Empire Strikes Back. So my explanation is video hacking using a cutout of the Star Wars drone superimposed on regular US drone video.

    Again, I have to see an actual physical machine with LGMs emerging before I’m convinced. Maybe the government can supply such, but until then none of these videos are convincing, especially when I can easily come up with an alternative explanation.

  31. I saw all those shows back to project blue book, x files dark skies, the 4400 (the last ones indulge in the deux ex machina, enabled by the majestic 12 forgeries,)

  32. sheen was an adopter of the nuclear freeze another maskirovna the soviets pitched to Carl Sagan, tretyakov was still amused by this, 20 years later,

    I was an activist for the Nuclear Freeze. I stood on street corners with a clipboard to get signatures. I was in an affinity group. I went to meetings and demos. Every Good Friday I made the pilgrimage from San Francisco to Lawrence Livermore Lab to protest the development of nuclear weapons.

    I wasn’t listening to Maskirovna, Sagan or Tretyakov. Whoever Maskirovna and Tretyakov were. I do know Oleg Gordievsky, a KGB colonel who became a double agent, then wrote a book claiming, among other things, Soviet credit for the Freeze.

    I was scared out of my wits by nuclear weapons and for good reasons. I didn’t need Moscow to stoke my fears, though I’m sure Moscow did what it could.

    Did you have any better ideas for avoiding the possibility of a major nuclear war?

    It’s like that Yuri Bezmenov video conservatives are fond of linking. To be sure Moscow backed the counterculture and the Nuclear Freeze. But really, we didn’t need any help.

    It’s one of the foolish tribal tropes conservatives find useful to avoid understanding the other side.

  33. Did we engage in the nuclear freeze, no Reagan stood his ground, this is the lesson the left didn’t ever learn, Rowny and Pipes understood the Soviet mind, most progressives don’t

    they are making a greater error with Iran now, totalitarians cannot be appeased, they must be challenged, of course the Nuclear Freeze didn’t apply to the Soviet Union nor China, Suslov and who ever was Mao’s guru Lin Baio was certain of this, now under Xi Chi Haotian, seems to have the run of the place,

    Are we not being demoralized, is every foundational institution under attack, Bezmenov certainly understands this, after 1990, we pretended like Fukuyama everything was going to be sunshine and lollypops, that’s rarely ever true, Huntington was more sober about what world we were facing,

  34. no Reagan stood his ground, this is the lesson the left didn’t ever learn,

    he speaks … and in more than two lines! Congrats, mc.

    Bur if there had been a nuclear war after Reagan “stood his ground” would any historian, any human, have been surprised?

    Look. I’m on the conservative side now. My retrospective analysis is that if we allowed ourselves to be blackmailed by nuclear war, we would inevitably be backed straight to the wall.

    “Better red than dead” means being red.

    So we had to go to the brink. We had to roll the dice. We might have lost — by intent or by error.

    And if we had, would you or any human in the future, be blamed for wishing there had been a better choice than nuclear confrontation in the 80s?

  35. ‘we’re going to learn the hard way because everyone in the policy chain, still thinks the nuclear freeze worked, that surrender works because in their heart of hearts they don’t see anything special about this country, this is what they make clear with every word, every gesture they issue,

  36. Are we not being demoralized, is every foundational institution under attack, Bezmenov certainly understands this,

    Again, you’re assuming that were it not for insidious Russian masterminds, the US wouldn’t be under such attack

    As a red-blooded American ex-leftist activist, I object!

  37. has this country evolved normally in the last 50 years, what factors have made it deviate from the path, chris rufo has followed some of the trails, marcuse ayers
    the black nationalists, which rebranded themselves as blm

  38. Many moons ago, for a college lit project, I sang and recorded The Three Ravens”, a classic English folk ballad. My accompanying essay (attempted to) show how complementary lyrics and music fashion a touching tale of love, loyalty, and gratitude for what matters most. Of all things, the prof added the project to the school’s library collection. I wonder if it’s still there.

    Many, including Peter, Paul and Mary, have recorded it. Here it’s sung by a marvelous German countertenor:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsNCLjMgTM

  39. I was scared out of my wits by nuclear weapons and for good reasons. I didn’t need Moscow to stoke my fears, though I’m sure Moscow did what it could.
    Did you have any better ideas for avoiding the possibility of a major nuclear war?

    IIRC, the time line went something like this. Moscow, which previously had its nuclear missiles targeted only at the US, installed SS-20 nuclear missiles that were targeted at Western Europe. The US +NATO responded some years later by installing missiles in Western Europe that were targeted at the Soviet Union. The nuclear freeze movement didn’t begin when the USSR targeted missiles at Western Europe; it began when NATO and the US installed nuclear missiles targeted at the USSR.
    Accident? 🙂 In any event, lefties in the West needed no encouragement from the Soviet Union to be neutral about Soviet actions against the West but to be “up in arms” against Western actions against the Soviet Union. That was the default lefty approach.

    To the Internet to refresh my memory. About the SS-20 missiles, which The Euromissile Showdown tells us were installed in 1976:

    NATO had nothing comparable. Its forward-deployed nuclear forces in Europe were relatively short range, intended for operations along or just behind a European battlefield. They could not easily reach targets in the Soviet Union.

    For strategic deterrence—holding the Soviet homeland at risk—NATO relied on the promise of extended protection by US intercontinental weapons, but the Europeans were not certain the US would use them in response to a limited attack.

    The Soviets hoped that even without an actual military conflict, the SS-20s would intimidate the Europeans, erode NATO cohesion, and perhaps lead to “decoupling” Europe from the US deterrent.

    The Europeans were alarmed, especially the West Germans, who wanted the United States to take action to restore NATO’s “flexible response” strategy in which weapons based on European soil were supposed to be a credible deterrent against a limited attack.

    The article goes on to inform us of the dual-track policy: negotiations but install intermediate range nuclear missiles in Europe if negotiations to get rid of the SS-20s failed. Policy began in 1979. Pershing missiles installed in 1983.

    The Soviets would not give up the SS-20s, so NATO began deployment of the US missiles in 1983. There was great furor on the European left, accusing the United States of fomenting an arms race. The US, which had acted in response to European concerns, had gained ownership of the problem. As a consequence of the NATO deployments, the Soviets walked out of the arms talks.

    Nuclear stuff reminds me of a family friend, who went to New London a number of times to demonstrate against the nuclear subs there. She was a warm, kind person, but when it came to politics and religion, she was a bit off the deep end. I still keep in touch with one of her sons. I found out years later that some of her anti-nuclear sentiment came from her ex-husband, who as part of the occupation forces in Japan, had flown over Nagasaki several weeks after the bomb was dropped. Seeing the devastation up front deeply shocked him, but he didn’t go around preaching about it.

    By the time of the nuclear freeze movement, my time in Latin America had turned me into an evil right-winger, keeping me away from the freezers. In addition, I had grown up with a lot of Iron Curtain refugees, so even when I was a lefty, I was much less inclined than other lefties to have a neutral/friendly attitude towards the USSR or to see the US as the great sinner.

    Re nuclear war by “accident,” Red Star Rogue is a good read.

  40. In my maturity I don’t think there was a right answer to nuclear war.

    I think we were lucky it didn’t come to that.

    I think we are still lucky it hasn’t … yet.

  41. This evening there was a prolonged jet engine sound outside my house. I don’t usually hear such a thing. I still don’t know what it was exactly.

    But I had to think. Could This Be It?

    I live only a few miles from Kirtland Air Force Base. If it all comes down, I’m not going to be a grim survivor.

    ‘Course if Kirtland is hit, I won’t hear it.

  42. AesopFan–Thanks for the link.

    The short overview is a fair summation of the current state of play.

    More and more legitimate UFO researchers (and others) are jumping into the UFO mosh pit, more and more theories are being aired, more organizations are joining the fray, more and more leaks are slowly turning up and the more I, at least, learn the more, it seems that, surveillance/activities by UFOs have been escalating.

    These vehicles, of various shapes, sizes, and behaviors–we are coming to learn–have been, and apparently are increasingly everywhere–crisscrossing our skies, hovering over (and sometimes interfering with) our military “assets” and activities, in orbit around the Earth, diving into and out of, and moving through our oceans, lakes, and other bodies of water.

    They are, it seems, everywhere, some UFOs moving so fast though that, without highly specialized surveillance equipment and techniques, we cannot perceive them.

    It’s just that, up until now, the public has not been given enough information to get an appreciation for the true magnitude and world-wide scope of these UFO activities.

    Now, though, these incursions into our environment, into our world, can no longer just be ignored. Even slow on the uptake, dumb old Congress is getting into the act.

    Perhaps I am wrong, but I sense that the truth about the UFO Phenomenon which our government has held so tightly is about to burst forth.

    Like underground magma moving up towards a surface eruption, pressure is building.

  43. physicsguy–Well, then, what do you make of the supposed first hand, eye witnesses Corbell says observed this UFO flying over one of our military bases in Iraq?

    Are they all just made up by Jeremy Corbell–and there really are no witnesses?

    Are they all, for some reason, lying?

    Or, are they all just bat shit crazy?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

  44. AesopFan— If you believe the conclusions of UFO researcher Richard Dolan, who has been researching UFOs for 30 years, as our human technological progress has grown—and starting with the development of the atomic bomb—so has the level of UFO activities and surveillance.

    It seems to me that, as we apparently approach some sort of Singularity, the impression that I am getting is that UFO activity, especially here in the U.S., has noticeably and substantially increased.

    P.S. Much is being made of the upcoming classified briefing this Friday for members of the House Oversight Committee, to be given by the Intelligence Community IG, this briefing to take place in a SCIF.

    However, as I understand it, the key committees having oversight over the UFO issue would be the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, whose members and staff should have the requisite high clearances.

    I don’t believe that the members of the House Oversight Committee have high enough clearances to be able to be briefed on a lot of the highly classified information which the IG has apparently received from Grusch and his supporting witnesses.

    Thus, this “classified briefing” may be a great big nothing burger but, even if these members were to be given a bunch of classified information, since it’s “classified,” they won’t be able to share it with the public.

    In fact, as Congressman Burchette has pointed out, if they were to be given a lot of classified information covering a wide range of topics in some depth, this would actually have the effect of preventing them from commenting publicly on those topics.

  45. What do they gain by lying?

    Bless your heart. Money, clicks, to be part of a “movement,” …. Salem Witch Trials, the exploding masses of young people suddenly becoming ‘trans’; social contagion. Have you never heard of such a thing? Doomsday cults and manias are nothing new, Snow on Pine. This time it is UFOs, or global warming, or genocide of trannies.

  46. om–Really? That’s the best you can do?

    You do realize that the images in question were gathered using military grade surveillance equipment. You know, sensors that soldiers in a combat zone need to work properly to insure their safety.

    Members of the military report sighting a UFO–something which still might be a blight on their careers, subject them to possible discipline, and to all sorts of harassment from their fellow soldiers–and you think that they might make up these sightings as a quest for some sort of “fame,” as a way to somehow get some money out of it, as their ticket to become part of a “movement,” or because they’ve been struck by some form of “mass hysteria?”

    I thought the “mass hysteria” excuse quit working around about the 1950s or 60s along with “swamp gas.”

    You know, at this stage of the game, it’s kind of pathetic, you with your “unicorns” and “social contagion,” and Mick West with his balloons, birds, and smudges on camera lenses.

  47. P.S. As someone who has been in the military, I know how this goes, and suddenly acquiring the nickname or call sign of, say, “UFO man,” is not something someone in the military wants to do.

  48. The easiest way to control information is to investigate it but that takes money. Money requires political support. Political support requires information. Information must be protected. Lather, rinse, repeat. That’s all this is about.

  49. The aliens are among us change my mind

    The nuclear freeze happened all across europe why was that.

  50. Interested in fact based espionage and ungentlemanly officers and spies? Try reading Beyond Enkription. It is an enthralling unadulterated fact based autobiographical spy thriller and a super read as long as you don’t expect John le Carré’s delicate diction, sophisticated syntax and placid plots.

    What is interesting is that this book is apparently mandatory reading in some countries’ intelligence agencies’ induction programs. Why? Maybe because the book has been heralded by those who should know as “being up there with My Silent War by Kim Philby and No Other Choice by George Blake”. Maybe because Bill Fairclough (the author) deviously dissects unusual topics, for example, by using real situations relating to how much agents are kept in the dark by their spy-masters and (surprisingly) vice versa.

    The action is set in 1974 about a real British accountant who worked in Coopers & Lybrand (now PwC) in London, Nassau, Miami and Port au Prince. Simultaneously he unwittingly worked for MI6. In later books (when employed by Citicorp and Barclays) he knowingly worked for not only British Intelligence but also the CIA.

    It’s a must read for espionage cognoscenti but do read some of the latest news articles in TheBurlingtonFiles website before plunging into Beyond Enkription. You’ll soon be immersed in a whole new world which you won’t want to exit.

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