The minds of Hamas and the minds of the Einsatzgruppen
There have been a lot of comparisons between Hamas and the Nazis in terms of their violent hatred and genocidal intents. I think such comparisons are valid although of course hardly exact; many details are different although the Jewish target is the same. Hamas operatives seem worse than the Nazis in their sheer sadism and delight in torture and other horrors. It’s not that the Nazis didn’t employ such sadistic individuals – they did, but that sort of psychological makeup doesn’t seem as though it was quite as common among Nazis as among the Hamas killers.
Most people who are familiar with the genocide during the Holocaust are likely to think first of the death camps, with their gas chambers that made it less necessary for the murderers to kill their victims up close and personal. The better analogy would be the earlier murders in Eastern Europe by the Einsatzgruppen, who shot their victims and buried them in mass graves. Many of these killers were “ordinary” men who had been convinced this action was not only right but necessary.
I believe the same is true of many of the Hamas killers, particularly the ones who merely dispatched their civilian victims without the extras of torture and rape.
The other day I was doing some research and I happened across this. I was already familiar with this sort of reasoning on the part of German members of the Einsatzgruppen squads, and I think this is an excellent example of how the mindset worked:
Walter Mattner, a policeman who took part in the murder of the Jews during this first action [in a Belarus city called Mogilev], described the shooting and how he felt about it in a letter to his wife:
“[When we shot the Jews brought by] the first truck my hand trembled somewhat during the shooting, but one gets used to it. By the tenth truck I was already aiming steadily and shooting accurately at the many women, children, and babies. I thought about the two infants that I have at home, to whom this gang would do exactly the same, if not ten times worse. The death we were according them was a short and beautiful one compared to the hellish sufferings of the many thousands in the torture chambers of the [Soviet] GPU. […] Let’s get rid of this brood [of Jews], who pushed all of Europe into war and is now agitating America also until it too is dragged into the war. […] I’m already looking forward to it, and many here are saying that when we return home, then it’s the turn of our local Jews.
As historian Christopher Browning points out, Mattner desired to justify the murder of children and babies … He rationalizes the murder of Jewish children by the “need” to protect his own children.
The idea that the Jews caused WWII was a huge German propaganda point that was relentlessly hammered home to the German people. Hitler was so wedded to the idea that he included it in his last will and testament, composed shortly before he committed suicide. It’s quite a document; here are some of the relevant portions:
It is untrue that I or anybody else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was desired and provoked entirely by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish origin or who worked in the Jewish interest. …
But nor have I left any doubt that if the nations of Europe are once more to be treated only as collections of stocks and shares of these international conspirators in money and finance, then those who carry the real guilt for the murderous struggle, this people will also be held responsible: the Jews! …
But before everything else I call upon the leadership of the nation and those who follow it to observe the racial laws most carefully, to fight mercilessly against the poisoners of all the peoples of the world, international Jewry.
Hamas has certainly taken up the torch, and they are hardly alone.
I’m having trouble mentally processing this outbreak of overt evil we are seeing. Obama hid his Jew-hating for political reasons, but people all over the country today aren’t hiding it any more.
No he didnt people just pretended not to notice
Some of these nukba were islamic state
Because nothing says “I firmly support the State of Israel” like sending hundreds of millions—and more—dollars to Iran, the Palestinians and Hezbullah!!
(Or—under the magisterial stupidity of “both sides are at fault—equating those who wish to defend Israel with those who wish to destroy it…)
And Jesus wept.
Many here have probably seen Ivan Klimov’s 1985 film “Come and See.” For those who haven’t: it’s about a village in Belarus that’s overrun by a German Einsatzkommando. It’s a masterpiece, and utterly horrifying. You can view it for free on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIiApN6cfg
not merely willfull blindness but a staggering amount of it,
Even Europeans who hate Jews had to find extra motivation to shoot women and children. Our moral and cultural values say murder is wrong. Killing innocent children is especially wrong. What if our values said that killing all people not of our religion is a good thing, a right thing, something God will love us for. And we get status in our culture for it? Isn’t that enough motivation to commit such horror? We in the West keep making the mistake of looking at Islam through the lens of our culture. We need to stop being stupid about this.
this is why jonathan brown of georgetown, the slavery enthusiast or joseph massad of columbia of hatem bazian of UCLA or any number of this indigo prop of salafi and other apologists are offered as the explainers
whereas men like tony badran, or jordan schachtel to cite two examples are better guides,
“There have been a lot of comparisons between Hamas and the Nazis in terms of their violent hatred and genocidal intents. I think such comparisons are valid although of course hardly exact; many details are different although the Jewish target is the same.”
The “Jewish target” is simply the first to be dealt with… Islamic ‘theology’ declares that the infidel is to be dealt with in one of three ways; conversion is offered to all, Christians, as they are “people of the book” also can accept enslavement, all others face a binary choice; conversion or death. There will be no atheists, agnostics or LGBTQ in a worldwide Ummah.
there is dar al harb (which is everything outside of the middle east) and dar al islam
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/11/idf-reaches-heart-of-gaza-city-hunt-begins-for-hamas-chief-yahya-sinwar-and-other-terror-commanders/
I second “Come and See”, but fair warning, it is very upsetting. The crazy thing is the few accounts I’ve allowed myself to read of the events of October 7 are even worse. Like Kate I have a difficult time believing all this is happening, and it’s more upsetting still to watch fools and evil people make excuses for it.
I sadly find it all too plausible, now this shell game, of misdirection is less understandable
Thirding Come and See. It is gut wrenching, but one of the best propaganda films in history (and I don’t mean propaganda in a bad way, since it is quite solidly factual and based on history). It shows how evil can play out, as well as those that will try to defend themselves or rationalize about it, and those that won’t. To avoid giving too much away, the Nazi Second in Command is one of the most terrifying and in some ways perversely admirable of characters in his twisted and evil way. Truly the sort of person with integrity and courage of their convictions. Which is why he’s so absolutely evil.
It’s also worth noting that Hamas and the “Falestinian” movement as a whole are descended from close allies of the Nazis, in the form of the Arab Higher Committee under Amin al-Husseini and his clan, who tried to exterminate the Jews from the region throughout the 1930s and 1940s, and who played a side role helping to pogrom the Jews of Baghdad during the brief Pro-Nazi Fascist government in Iraq in 1941 (notably, Saddam Hussein’s uncle – who he was raised with and who he idolized – fought for the nutjobs). So the similarities are not accidental.
yes, all those details, Edwin black had some of them, re Iraq so did david dallin, who has written extensively about the mufti as well as Jeffrey Herf
Mike Plaiss:
I maybe agree that the events of Oct 7 are even worse than those depicted in “Come and See”; or, they are at the least equally as bad. But “Come and See” may seem worse because of the film’s 2-hour running time. First the events depicted in the film seem “merely” horrific, but soon they become quite horrifically insane. This was deliberate on the part of the director: it all becomes surreal, crazy, a carnival fun house hall of mirrors in hell. In my opinion it is one of the greatest war movies ever made. Note that it’s not a Holocaust movie: the town the Einsatzkommando attacks is inhabited by non-Jewish Belorussians. Not that this makes any difference.
That said: I believe October 7 is an inflection point in 21st century history. This is the beginning of what we have been building up to arguably since the end of the Second World War: the beginning of the war for the survival of Western Civilization. A dire existential struggle.
https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/just-whose-side-is-america-really
Re “Come and See”: It’s based on a novel, “I Am From the Fiery Village” by Ales Adamovich. The commander of the Einsatzkommando who directs operations with his pet lemur riding on his shoulder is based on fact.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the events of Oct 7 were in my view absolutely Satanic. I mean that in the literal sense. I am currently in the process of re-reading Christopher Tolkien’s 12-volume series “The History of Middle Earth,” as well other books on and about Tolkien’s works and world view, and these are helping me to clarify and make sense of events and to order my thoughts and reactions to them in ways that are appropriate and, I hope, useful.
there is dar al harb (which is everything outside of the middle east) and dar al islam
To put a finer point on it — “Dal al Harb” is literally translated as “House of War,” with which the “House of Islam” must necessarily be at war until the world is entirely “House of Islam.”
That’s just the way it is.
I appreciate the comments about the movie, but I will not attempt to watch it.
“Schindler’s List” was my limit for watching real-life horror movies.
Since my early college years, I have been fascinated by the conundrum of how the highly educated, artistically sublime, and religiously oriented (not always devout) populations of 20th-century Europe could perpetrate the Holocaust, and I have read a fair amount looking for an explanation for the psychological state of mind that allows people to participate in such Satanic behaviors (very much agree with IrishOtter and others).
However, during the last couple of decades, watching the disintegration of America and the rest up-close and in-person, I no longer wonder how it happened.
A personal side-note, if I may: most of you know I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We currently have a world-wide program where local congregations invite their communities to an evening of music and brief explanations of our beliefs.
The name of the program is “Come and See” — so if one of you gets an invitation from those nice young people with the name tags, PLEASE be aware it’s not about the Holocaust!
@ JFM > ” Our moral and cultural values say murder is wrong. Killing innocent children is especially wrong.”
I keep coming back to a statement by Golda Meir:
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
? Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral Autobiography
Observing that most (not all) of the anti-Jewish invective is coming from the American left, and perforce the Democrat Party (not all), remember that the same people champion abortion from conception to birth (with some exceptions).
They aren’t going to be deterred by the evil of killing someone else’s child.
(Parenthetical phrases are there because I don’t want to be so brief as to incorrectly attribute such beliefs to people out of step with their political cohort.)
One point want to bring up is Einsatzgruppen men did at first go on with their atrocities but many, enough to start working against their goal, broke down and refused to go through with it. Hence the need for industrial size extermination.
For a big fan of war movies, seen some well over 25 times, watched Come and See once and it’s a fantastic movie on the evil inflicted on civilization I don’t think will need to see it again. And not that won’t see other atrocity video.
}}} It is untrue that I or anybody else in Germany wanted war in 1939.
This is a true statement.
HE and the rest of his cadre wanted the West to keep surrendering shit to them as they demanded it.
To actually have to fight for it? That would be work. And expensive.
so in 1932, the Nazis had the largest bloc of votes, the social democrats the second largest, the communists the 3rd, the catholic center had moved down to 6th place, so there was never going to be a happy ending, because the Depression and Stalin’s work, labeling them as Social Fascist,
Skip is correct about the Einsatzgruppen. Even the upper level commanders were not immune. Paul Blobel, head of Sonderkommando 4a and literal architect of the Babi Yar Massacre, had a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized. His boss as head of Einsatzgruppe C, Otto Rasch, was replaced under mysterious circumstances and never served again. Arthur Nebe, head of Einsatzgruppe B, suffered two nervous breakdowns. The Einsatzgruppen troops had to be continually plied with drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and prostitutes to keep them even somewhat functional, but many just quit, at the expense of being blacklisted. At the request of Nebe, Heinrich Himmler personally observed an Einsatzgruppe massacre – and even Himmler was left shaken by it, asking, “Isn’t there a more humane way of doing this?” (Yes, he really said that.) Nebe said these massacres were destroying the very men committing them. Hence the need to dilute the responsibility and the development of the gas chambers.
that was walter rauff’s innovation, he was running operations in northern italy, eventually defected to chile, in the 60s, yes it’s a small condolence that these men had some reaction to their murder spree,
Hitler’s final justification of his behavior is revealing in the motivation of anti-Semitism in Europe. It was envy largely. Jews were banned from occupations that did not involve money lending. They could not own land. The book, “The 10,000 year explosion” attributes rapid evolution in Ashkenazi Jews to the money lending requirement in that they were under intense pressure to develop math skills. Since most of Europe was in Feudal society and illiteracy was very common, Jews were seen as prosperous and envied.
true and his twisted genius, was harnessing this hatred among the French military staff, the Cossacks in Ukraine, the Catholics in Croatia et al, some of these were even more diligent in their task, we’ve already referenced the Farhud, in Baghdad, a rough analog of what was happening in the blood lands, Had El Alemein failed and Hitler had conquered Egypt, Hassan Al Banna of the brotherhood would have done similar work
I’m surprised Goldhagen’s Hitler’s Willing Executioners hasn’t directly come up. A few of the comments, including neo’s, almost seem to be referencing it. It’s probably on that list of books more talked about than read. Curious if anyone else has read it (I have), and if so, their opinion.
https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
i don’t know if this one came up,
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/70216.html#comment-1066344
Goldhagen veered off into Catholic hatred with Pope Pius, which probably turned off some readers
Read Goldhagen some time ago. I could have followed the reasoning of those assigned, rationalizing or something else. Those who wanted to take a shot when the opportunity arose are a diff we rent question.
What was wrong with Germany, I thought.
Now. Of the tens of thousands in the “protests”, what might we find?
I don’t know of a Jew within fifty miles. But if I meet one, I’d be tempted to tell him we have a spare room and I don’t put up with that carp.
Never thought I would be thinking like that in America.
Cue the horror music
https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1722198373384769972
From a speech given by C.S.Lewis at King’s College in 1944*
“And the prophecy I make is this. To nine out of ten of you the choice which could lead to scoundrelism will come, when it does come, in no very dramatic colours. Obviously bad men, obviously threatening or bribing, will almost certainly not appear. Over a drink, or a cup of coffee, disguised as triviality and sandwiched between two jokes, from the lips of a man, or woman, whom you have recently been getting to know rather better and whom you hope to know better still—just at the moment when you are most anxious not to appear crude, or naïf or a prig—the hint will come. It will be the hint of something which the public, the ignorant, romantic public, would never understand: something which even the outsiders in your own profession are apt to make a fuss about: but something, says your new friend, which “we”—and at the word “we” you try not to blush for mere pleasure—something “we always do.”
And you will be drawn in, if you are drawn in, not by desire for gain or ease, but simply because at that moment, when the cup was so near your lips, you cannot bear to be thrust back again into the cold outer world. It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face—that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face—turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected. And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit. It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude; it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel.”
* Quoted in the essay “The Hollow Men” at https://ricochet.com/1510892/the-hollow-men/
Mike Plaiss:
I read the book when it first came out, years ago. My recollection is that it was filled with letters and notes from people much like the guy in this post.
Mike K:
And yet the shtetls of Eastern Europe – where the bulk of European Jewry lived – were quite poor. Jews were more prosperous in Western Europe as well as more assimilated, but much less numerous. They constituted less than 1% of Germany’s population even at their prewar height.
My 1235 was about ioffe a notorious russia hoaxer trusting a cair spokesman like ali, like your own pocket goebbels
Interview with an IDF paratrooper Master Sargeant Doron Keidar about a variety of issues. The interview starts with a recounting of the atrocities and the reaction by Israeli forces.
About minute 20 he forcefully reacts to criticism of civilian casualties in Gaza. The IDF goes out of its way to prevent civilian casualties– more than other countries militaries, according to Keidar.
He struggles to define the level of barbarity of Hamas– worse than animals– unhuman.
The Hard Reality On The Ground – Israeli Paratrooper Master Sergeant Doron Keidar Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTZZagHQJKY
Shooting Jews was commonly known to be very hard on the shooters. Well, the German ones. Eastern Europeans were pointed out as being subhuman because they enjoyed doing it, but it was hard on the naturally magnanimous German. (Which enabled them to reserve all their sympathies for themselves.) This is why no man who refused to do it was punished with more than slower promotions — though you do have to factor in that they never had too few men to do it.
This was why they set up the death camps and particularly selected cruel staff, who didn’t find it so hard. In an alternate history with a German victory, I would not be surprised if these staff had been secretly euthanized after the camps were decommissioned.
They also discovered it was a waste of ammunition.
(Why waste bullets when you can gas ’em?)
File under: Waste not, want not.
Well i remember there was a problem called Aktion 1005 which was about destroying evidence
A masterful column by Ed Morrissey on what’s now happening in Gaza:
“Battle for al-Shifa Underway as Biden Administration Starts Blinkin’ ”
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/11/11/battle-for-al-shifa-underway-as-biden-administration-starts-blinkin-n591696
H/T Powerline blog.
…in which the author totally excoriates and eviscerates Honest A. (and the rest of the scoundrels and rapscallions that comprise the “Biden” Gang), while linking to a similarly masterful—no, make that utterly magnificent—twitter link by one, Malcolm Nance—an expert in foreign affairs, war, counter-terrorism, who appears to be just another one of those Black Faces of White Supremacy(TM). Simply, gobsmackingly amazing….
https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1723152651347493356
+ Bonus (for anyone who gives a hoot, or for that matter doesn’t, about Iran’s client in Yemen, who—for some reason or other—has been lobbing inter-ballistic missiles at Israel).
https://www.meforum.org/65197/why-are-the-houthis-attacking-israel
H/T Powerline blog.
Correction: “ballistic missiles”…
I compared October 7, 2023 to Kiev (Babi Yar) September 29 – 30, 1941.
Noodle head nance is full of it, rapid deconpression he was buds is bad dude
Mike K:
Jews in medieval Europe were not allowed to own land and were subject to a royal whim demand to leave or die, so they turned to precious gems which they could easily secrete in their garments in case they had to hurry forth.They invented the charging of interest on loaned money. And Ferdinand and Isabella squandered the huge fortunes loaned them, in part for the funding of exploring the New World, so instead of repaying their debt, even in part, they kicked all Jews out of Spain.
The Wandering Jew is noted in Chaucer, circa 1350. I did a college paper on that!
I had never heard of Nance before, but why is he making sense NOW?
(His earlier posts on Trump—I’ve just read them now—are sick rants.)
Has he been shocked (as it were) into it?
Another person who really surprised be by making a transition like that (that is, by “making sense” all of a sudden)—was Liel Liebovitz, who writes chiefly for Tablet Magazine. Years ago I would read his stuff and not be terribly impressed—the usual left-wing bromides—but then he changed, I don’t know how or why, but he suddenly started making sense. Odd, I thought. What could have happened?
I later found out that he had in fact changed his viewpoint and even wrote about his “conversion”, referring to it as “The Turn”:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-turn-liel-leibovitz
I don’t know if something similar happened to Nance—could it have been “Biden”‘s decision to abandon Afghanistan?—but his earlier stuff on Trump is totally nuts; while the tweet I linked to is, from my point of view, heroic.
Go figure…
Brian E:
Thanks for posting the link to the interview with IDF Master Sergeant Doron Keidar.
The Hard Reality On The Ground – Israeli Paratrooper Master Sergeant Doron Keidar Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTZZagHQJKY
Ok I apologize because I failed to notice noodlehead nance got something right
SonderAktion 1005 is much like the erasure brigade we have seen from new york to kendall, florida, (I know F Chuck comes from there, but they are relatively sensible,
Cicero:
Jews did not INVENT the practice of interest on loaned money. Because Christianity forbid it for Christians a little over a thousand years ago, they delegated it to Jews (who couldn’t own land) and then they hated them for it (among other things).
The history of interest-charging even prior to that:
As monetary systems developed, so did charging interest, and it was the case around the world.
Bonus:
Carolyn Glick interviews Douglas Murray:
0:07 / 1:04:05
MUST-SEE INTERVIEW with Douglas Murray: Is the West Dead? | The Caroline Glick Show – Carolyn Glick and Douglas Murray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaMrUUrFXII
Kate, I can process. Lord forgive me I’m not above it. It makes me want to puke. I learned early on I have to sink to their level to fight them You want to know what a rifle round does to a human skull?
High velocity. I’m above doing it. Not above visioning it.
yet he misses the point
https://www.thefp.com/p/sam-harris-honestly-good-and-evil?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&action=restack-comment&utm_campaign=email-restack-comment&r=1qo1e
And some background….
“Israel, Iran and the Biden Administration: If America Does Not Win, Its Enemies Do”—
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20141/israel-iran-biden
Nonetheless, the misconception persists that “Biden” is a supporter of the USA and an ally of the Jewish State.
File under: Optics illusion.
You might think it’s different when a human being. I’ve been killing animals since I was 11. Discuss among yourselves.
Apparently they didn’t invent it.
19 Bible Verses about Interest:
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Interest
PS I now see that Neo addressed this before I did.
Jesus had no problem with earning interest shown in the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25.
“He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed,
But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed?
Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.”
Matthew 25:24-27 (ESV)
While the parable is talking about using our gifts as disciples, he didn’t have a problem with the rich man expecting his servant to earn interest on his money.
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1723790665300230583
Steve57:
I doubt you deliberately targeted babies, women, and children.
Neo, I’ve tried to imagine horror times ten. I’ve fallen short every time.
I’ve killed.
They like it. They’ll serve up a bowl of rice and meat. To a nother. It contains her son the meat is her own kid. I wish I was lying
Every dark reach of hell
Does it bother you?
Steve57:
I’m not sure who the “they” is that you’re talking about.
However, human ingenuity over the ages about how to torture other human beings is unfortunately very creative. I don’t know whether you saw this post of mine from just a few days ago on the topic, but in it I link to a tale from Greek mythology that is something like what you describe.
OccupyGaza strip.
Abort the “burdens”… uh, burdens, cannibalize their profitable parts, sequester their carbon, and have them, too, for fair weather progress. Israel should follow the Obama’s democratic Spring series and outsource their relief.
@ Barry – Leibovitz’s story could have been written-to-order to be an example of the process described by Lewis in the address referenced by Snow On Pine, although from the point of view of someone already in his chosen Inner Ring, as opposed to someone trying to enter one.
Lewis: “It will be the hint of something which the public, the ignorant, romantic public, would never understand: something which even the outsiders in your own profession are apt to make a fuss about: but something, says your new friend, which “we”—and at the word “we” you try not to blush for mere pleasure—something “we always do.”… It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face—that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face—turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected.”
Leibovitz: “It’s been years now, but I still remember the time a dear friend and mentor took me to lunch and warned me, sternly and without any of the warmth you’d extend to someone you truly loved, to watch what I said about Israel. I still remember how confusing and painful it felt to know that my beliefs—beliefs, mind you, that, until very recently, were so obvious and banal and widely held on the left that they were hardly considered beliefs at all—now labeled me an outcast. The Turn brings with it the sort of pain most of us don’t feel as adults; you’d have to go all the way back to junior high, maybe, to recall a stabbing sensation quite as deep and confounding as watching your friends all turn on you and decide that you’re not worthy of their affection any more. It’s the kind of primal rejection that is devastating precisely because it forces you to rethink everything, not only your convictions about the world but also your idea of yourself, your values, and your priorities. We all want to be embraced. We all want the men and women we consider most swell to approve of us and confirm that we, too, are good and great. We all want the love and the laurels; The Turn takes both away.”
The point Lewis makes is about what happens if you don’t “rethink everything,” but rather continue to stay with the group that you know (or later discover) to be contravening ethical or even legal values you formerly believed in. Lewis seems to be thinking more about some kind of corrupt graft or behavior, and Leibovitz’s example has a larger ideological context.
Lewis: “And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit. It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude; it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel.”
Leibovitz: “But, having been there before, I have one important thing to tell you: If the left is going to make it “right wing” to simply be decent, then it’s OK to be right….So look at the list of things supported by the left and ask yourself: Is that me? If the answer is yes, great. You’ve found a home. If the answer is no, don’t let yourself be defined by an empty word. Get out. And once you’re out, don’t let anyone else define you, either.”
During the Libyan Spring, they would sodomize their victims… democratic Greece, too… take a knee, bend over, domestication.
During the Egyptian Spring, they would rape the women. Kiev is known for neutering their captives.
David Foster’s post linked by Snow also explains in some ways the minds of the college adults (sorry; they are not kids anymore) who seem to be auditioning for admission to the 21st century Einsatzgruppen of the Leftist-Islam alliance (at some point they will have to choose between them).
The quotes from Haffner will be familiar to Neo’s readers, so I have condensed them to a bare minimum.
https://ricochet.com/1510892/the-hollow-men/
The essay referenced is excerpted earlier in David’s post, and is by a college professor writing about his students. David linked an October X-tweet by Jeremy Tate, but the 2016 essay is by Patrick Deneen. (Tate credited Deneen properly in an earlier tweet.)
https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2016/02/02/how-a-generation-lost-its-common-culture/
“… their brains are largely empty, devoid of any substantial knowledge that might be the fruits of an education in an inheritance and a gift of a previous generation. They are the culmination of western civilization, a civilization that has forgotten nearly everything about itself, and as a result, has achieved near-perfect indifference to its own culture.”
Seven years later, Deneen’s concerns about his ignorant but generally pleasant and well-meaning students are quaintly benign, but they are obviously immersed in the same environment that has created our current crop of street thugs.
And thus we have empty-brained ignorant college students (as amply demonstrated by recent posts on the internet) thrusting themselves into a malignant Inner Ring of violent Islamic anti-Semites.
They have taken Leibovitz’s question, which comes after citing all of the liberal beliefs he has seen betrayed, “So look at the list of things supported by the left and ask yourself: Is that me?” and answered “Yes.”
Recommended reading: comments at both the Ricochet & ChicagoBoyz postings of David’s essay.
The Gatestone post Barry linked contains a summary of Biden Inc’s depraved policies and actions that is devastating when all are seen together (links to each are in the original). To be fair, some predate Biden’s presidency, so I will revise that to Obama Inc and the Democrat-allied Deep State.
@ miguel > “yet he misses the point”
I thought Sam Harris made a lot of good points in that post (caveat: everything I know about him I just read at Wikipedia), so I wondered which point you think he missed.
Why are the students so stridently pro-Hamas?
Follow the money.
https://www.thefp.com/p/campus-rage-middle-eastern-roots-qatar
Is Campus Rage Fueled by Middle Eastern Money?
According to a new report, at least 200 American colleges and universities illegally withheld information on approximately $13 billion in undisclosed contributions from foreign regimes.
By Bari Weiss November 6, 2023
Jewish donors withdrawing funds from the offending colleges may not be enough to counter the Muslim largesse, although I suppose that would depend on the relative amounts involved.
The most ominous point, to me, was that the administrations felt it necessary to HIDE their receipts, which argues that they are in a covert league with the anti-Semitism rather than being solely mercenary.
@ miguel > “i don’t know if this one came up,”
I scrolled up from that comment to read the post itself, which is by Sgt Mom, and the Paradigm of the Inner Ring came up again, in an object lesson about Dachau for a five-year-old.
I will borrow this comment as pertaining to those I’ve made so far.
“My Wife and I visited Dachau around 1968 … It was pretty austere. However, even that soon after the events there was a gaggle of Italian tourist who were treating it like a frolic. No wonder college students here in the US today have no historic knowledge. I am not sure the Main Stream Media is helping. I guess it is up to those who blog.”
The MSM, of course, is actively suppressing historic knowledge about anything that contradicts their narrative and (which is increasingly clear) their agenda, which is to destroy Israel, and possibly the entirety of Jewry.
Counting down to Armageddon is looking less like a conspiracy theory every day.
I think it’s knowing, how much profanity are you willing to put up with? I’m a rotten person but I’m capable of more.
There is a lot of wisdom in the Hagakure.
CardiGan
There is some concern about the age at which the Holocaust could be explained to kids.
Is there an age by which it is too late, just another history thing?
n.n:
Throws in a little jem, a crown jewel of Vladdy propaganda:
Russian POWs? Any more riddles for us? Don’t be shy.
Known by whom n.n?
@n.n.
You again.
Broadly agreed.
The problem is that Gaza DOES outsource its financing and “relief”, and it is largely how we got so much of the problem here.
They were doing it a hell of a lot before the “Libyan Spring” too. Gaddafi was a known rapist and so were many of his senior staff, which is why I admit I took a bit of grim pleasure in knowing he suffered similarly. Not because it was good, but because it was hardly uncommon.
Of course, the Gaddafi apologists like overlooking this because it points to Gaddafi being responsible.
Possible. Will need to do more research.
Welcome to Egypt. It has problems with it. North Africa in general is a cesspit when it comes to abuse.
Ok n.n. HOW is it “known” for doing so? Do you have any evidence?
Because Ukrainian Loyalist POW camps are well known and readily accessed by all sides, and generally receive high remarks. Certainly in comparison to the Kremlin trying its damndest to shove Ukrainian prisoners in the normal criminal justice system.
So if Kyiv is REALLY known for neutering its captives, where are the formal, public complaints to the Protecting Power or International Organizations, like those the Ukrainians launched that found Vlad and his ilk were conducting mass deportations and child abductions out East?
Or maybe, Just maybe, it’s a crock of Kremlin bullshit much like the “Bioweapon Labs” (that we’re supposed to believe Putin knew about and approved of for years on end) reliant on people not checking to see if the claims made by Kremlin proxies fits what the Kremlin itself is saying or doing?
I mention why its called the bloodlands the holomodor led to the holocaust
Egypt could occupy the strip as they did from 56-67, but why bother it will never be sharm al sheikh
Ive learned some fresh invective to complement spanish cognates
Yes the Arab spring was qatar and turkeys clausewitz solution to topple rival regimes namely tunisia egypt and libya
Syriza the greek counterpart to podemos is another troublesome faction
Qaddafi was a known quantity but not an islamist like the current ones
Continued so the billy graham of salafism quradawi issued the fatwa against qaddafi as he had done to sadat 30 years earlier he used to be in doha now hes in ankara last time i checked like chicka fill his isb franchise is numerous from london to boston to los angeles
Quradawi died last year pbuh but his legacy remains the association of muslim scholars the qatar islamic bank the union of good (should be the legion of doom) the boston branch inspired the boston bombers
Why do i call them the legion of doom because they fund hamas
https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/byaxkhcmp
Holodomor. Genocide by starvation in Ukrainian
Actually hate and like don’t mix.
Life
like matter and anti matter,
After WWII, the Allies put together footage of the camps; that of the Germans, and of the liberators.
Showed it to the public.
Said to the German civilian audience, your fathers, brothers, sons, uncles were armed…..
Wonder how that hit.
I’m a big fan of facing up to your sins
Steve. One of my favorite things is displacement. So I wonder if the Germans who had not been armed had any questions, if only silent questions, about those who had been armed.
And where those who had been armed laid off their load, presuming they thought they had one.