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  1. I enjoyed that. So, in the later 1800s, a large rear end was fashionable, and was produced with bustles or hip pads under the dress. These days, it’s produced by disfiguring and often dangerous surgery. You can’t fit a bustle under those skin-tight yoga pants, after all.

  2. RE: UFOs–

    There have apparently been many incidents of near misses between UFOs, military, and commercial pilots.

    In addition, information is now starting to come out about the measurable physical damage—often brain damage–that some people who have gotten too close to UFOs have suffered–see Stanford pathologist Dr. Garry Nolan’s discussions of the 100 or so cases he says he has examined.*

    However, I was aware of only one case—that of the UFOs which, in 1967, managed to take 10 armed and ready to launch ICBMs at Malmstrom AFB (and reportedly other nearby bases as well) offline, as reported by the then missile launch control officer who was there when this happened, Capt. Robert Salas—in which a UFO deliberately acted directly against what you might call “human interests.”**

    But now see the story in the video linked below of Dr. Robert M. Jacobs who, in 1964 was an Air Force Lieutenant in charge of the photo-optic instrumentation group at Vandenberg AFB’s western test range, and whose 30 camera outfit was charged with filming the results of ICBM tests.

    Jacobs said he was ordered to establish a viewing/filming station far away from Vandenberg, in the Big Sur area, high up near Anderson peak, which was equipped with a massive telescope with a 2,400 mm lens whose images were then filmed by a kinescope camera to produce film, this so that the developers could view images of test missiles from a side angle as they flew downrange, which they were unable to do from Vandenberg.

    Two days after a test on September 14th, 1964 his commanding officer, a Major Mansmann, called Lt. Jacobs into his office, where two men in suits were, asked him if he had seen the developed film of that test, and when Jacobs said he hadn’t Mansmann showed him tape of the test.

    The film recording the test–which was focused on chaff ejection, more than warhead separation–followed the missile from launch, through the three stages of lift, and up through chaff ejection and, then, warhead separation.

    On the film, after the chaff was ejected, and the warhead separated and was headed downrange towards Kwajelain Island, Jacobs saw a clear image of a classic shaped UFO come into view, fly around and around the warhead—both of these objects now traveling at around 8,000 miles an hour and in polar earth orbit—the saucer shooting several beams of light into the warhead from different angles, which disabled the warhead, threw it off course, and it tumbled down to earth.

    Major Mansmann confirms that this incident happened as Lt. Jacobs described it, that he told Lt. Jacobs to forget that he ever saw anything, and that the two men in suits (CIA, MIB?) snipped the frames picturing the UFO out of the film, gave the rest of the film back to Mansmann and left, on the way out reminding Mansmann to never divulge what he had seen. ***

    At a speed of 8,000 miles an hour and in a polar orbit this ain’t a “reflection,” a star, a balloon, or drone guys.

    * https://nypost.com/2021/12/12/the-brains-of-people-who-say-theyve-had-a-ufo-encounter/

    ** https://en.everybodywiki.com/Malmstrom_Air_Force_Base_UFO_incident

    *** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtopkywm1AU&t=39s

  3. P.S. We didn’t have drones back then in 1964 and by the way, this was a dummy warhead.

  4. The ladies’ fashion chronology brings to mind Rod Taylor, ensconced in his time machine, watching the years zoom by.

  5. the 1960 version is great, even if the effects are clunk compared to the modern versions in the 70s and the one authorized in 2002, which read roland emmerich level of insanity, the moon crashed into the earth, but the planet survived,

  6. @ Snow > “Two days after a test on September 14th, 1964 his commanding officer, a Major Mansmann, called Lt. Jacobs into his office, where two men in suits were, asked him if he had seen the developed film of that test, and when Jacobs said he hadn’t Mansmann showed him tape of the test.”

    I enjoy reading your notes on UFOlogy, but I wondered why the Suits let Jacobs see the film if they were just going to tell him to forget about it.

    Also, you can’t just snip frames out of a real film (and not even videotape) without anyone noticing something is missing. Cutting and splicing is an art.

    However, it would be fun to see a movie about this story!

  7. AesopFan–Yeah, I noticed one part of this story that didn’t seem to make sense to me.

    The fact that Dr. Jacobs said he was called in 2 days after the test bothered me.

    How come it took only two days to develop what was probably a lot of film?

    As for why show Lt. Jacobs the film at all, he was originally called in and asked if he had perpetrated some type of hoax, then confronted with the film.

    As for cutting out the UFO footage, my impression from what was said was that these MIBs did a very crude job of it, and didn’t care about what shape they left the rest of the film in, and were arrogant enough that they felt they didn’t need to fix the film to cover the missing frames.

    P.S.–One of my jobs in my younger years was as the Film Librarian at a diplomatic facility, and I can tell you from reviewing many dozens of their films– including their physical condition–that the films often broke, and they were often pretty hacked up, with all of the crude repairs which were done to piece them together again. That’s just the way it was.

    If you look at the video of what Dr. Jacobs says, to me he seems to be very convincing–not a nut job at all–and says that he wrestled with keeping this secret for 17 some years, had a lot of harassment when he went public, and that when a researcher tried to verify what he could of his story, the Air Force at first denied that he even served, but later had to admit that he was who he said he was, that he did indeed serve, and that he was assigned to the units he said he was.
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  8. P.P.S.– These crude repairs meant that there were often quite a few frames of this or that film which were missing, and this was not seen as unusual, but was just accepted as what often happened when you dealt with this medium.

  9. Open Thread Sunday: Russo-Ukraine war – Escalation

    Escalation Strategy & Aid in Ukraine – How the West manages Russian nuclear threats – Perun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKGYnO0Jf4

    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 – Escalation Management & Strategy In Ukraine
    00:01:45 – What Am I Talking About
    00:02:47 – Historical Escalation Management & Proxies
    00:10:03 – Escalation Theory
    00:21:49 – Red Lines & Escalation
    00:39:34 – Russian Escalation Response
    00:52:01 – Understanding Russia’s Response
    01:00:05 – Next Steps
    01:08:31 – Conclusions
    01:09:55 – Channel Update

  10. Snow on Pine:

    Cough, cough, “the saucer shooting several beams of light into the warhead from different angles, which disabled the warhead, threw it off course, and it tumbled down to earth.”

    That is pretty amazing, that all that detail could be determined from film images. Did they recover the warhead and determine what was disabled: the electronics, the explosives, the isotopic (nuclear) characteristics of the pit or neutron generator? And of course the men in “suits.” What else are they supposed to wear, coveralls, birthday suits, military uniforms, or Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian shirts but not socks with sandals?

    It sounds like just another Unicorn story.

  11. om—The problem is that, after you get enough of these “unicorn stories”—an accumulation of 80 years of them, especially from well educated people who appear to be pretty credible, not nuts, not seeking publicity, or to make a buck, but who have paid a price for going public with their stories—the weight of these stories starts to add up, to tell you that there is something real going on here.

    As is said, that “quantity has a quality all it’’s own.”

    Do I believe and give credence to each and every one of these accounts, no, of course not.

    But surveying all of them, enough ring true to let me know that those unknown 5% of all UFO sightings are of real objects, whose reported performance characteristics—sometimes observed simultaneously by several different sensor systems—we here on Earth with our present technology cannot duplicate.

    So where does that leave us?

    Well, I’d say that these objects—whatever they are— ain’t from around here.

  12. Snow on Pines:

    The quantity of just so stories doesn’t make the stories factual.

    Science fiction is still fiction.

    And the current fascination is gender and biology. What is a woman? Can a man get pregnant? The quantity has a quality of falsity.

  13. well project bluebook recorded them, dismissed most of them, the protagonist was later played in the series by the same fellow who was major flagg on mash, that was a sign they didn’t regard him well, in the 80s they had the supposed majestic revelations which served the basis for the x files in part, and the less successful dark skies,

  14. loomis is legendarily wrong for a long time, he was one of those talking about those ‘eliminationist’ tea parties, thats how long hes been wrong,

  15. Expressing alarm over Bible stories on the one hand, and on the other the sexualization of children at an early age while indoctrinating them with racial hatred—and calling it “anti-racism”—tells you everything you need to know about these psychos….

  16. Wondering when the Black Community—while it’s not monolithic—will wake up to the fact that the Democratic Party is encouraging and promoting Black-on-Black violence for its own political purposes….

  17. Gregg Greenwald on the warpath…against the “resistance freaks”
    …in his search for that most elusive of animals: media “accountability”—does it even exist at all???—and his mission to expose ALL the phonies.
    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1665388934849785856?cxt=HHwWgMCzqbSa05wuAAAA
    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1665384290270494724
    + Bonus:
    On the technicolor fantasy world of Allison Gill…
    https://twitter.com/Fraude_101/status/1664953643777523712

  18. Here’s another “fun fact”:
    Tranq is “legal”; BUT Ivermectin is a dangerous horse medicine peddled by deranged, addled, immoral, grossly irresponsible so-called doctors…who just happen NOT to buy into Fauci et al.’s 24/7 lies about Covid.
    (IWO who don’t accept that Fauci has been lying constantly—and SELFLESSLY, it goes without saying—for THE GOOD OF ALL PEOPLE around the world…)

  19. Boned Looser:

    Beware Vlad and Roosia. Ukraine didn’t need Patriot missiles before February 24, 2024. Or have you forgotten some basic recent events?

    War profits? Vlad has single handedly caused nearly all of western Europe to increase their defense spending on themselves and for Ukraine. So should defense contractors be thanking Vlad?

    Pathetic, still carrying Vlad’s water, Boned. 200,000 Russian casualties from your man Vlad’s vanity operation. More than a few Ukrainian civilian and military casualties from Vlad’s missile attacks in the last 460+ days.

    .

  20. Black-on-Black crime, continued:
    “ESPN Host Stephen A. Smith Is Fed Up with Silence About Black-on-Black Gun Crime”—
    https://pjmedia.com/culture/gwendolynsims/2023/06/02/espn-host-stephen-a-smith-is-fed-up-with-silence-about-black-on-black-gun-crime-n1699919

    CNN, continued (yeah, I know; who really cares..??):
    ” ‘CNN Staffers Are Shocked’: Brutal Magazine Exposé Leaves Employees Angry and Frustrated”—
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cnn-staffers-are-shocked-brutal-magazine-expose-leaves-employees-angry-and-frustrated/
    Key WORD:
    “…hurtful…”
    Of COURSE! it is, buttercups….
    (To be sure, non-stop, year-in-year-out lying is A-OK!)

  21. I literally caught my breath a bit upon seeing that gorgeous pink brocade gown at the 5:27 mark. I could see myself wearing that and rocking it, whereas all those gowns with the puffy sleeves and shoulders would have made me look like a linebacker lol

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