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  1. I have noticed over the last few days comments showing up on various places the allegation that no one ever said that the Covid vaccine would prevent infection. Yet, early on it was being stated that “ break through infections” for infected persons would be extremely rare.
    To what purpose are people claiming this? Are they really that forgetful, or deliberately lying? Is this just individuals posting this or is this a group effort to rewrite recent history?

  2. they are lying, this was the pitch otherwise whats the point,

    so looking at molting molinaro, who lost one slot against the commie workers family candidate, although which one is unclear, he is not maga just blanc mange

  3. I am blanking on the name of the really interesting, generally very sound thinking Reason and then Times columnist who got into culture and style/architecture. Arghhhh. tip of tongue. Anyway, she wrote something a few years back about the clothes in the closet of a middle class family in San Francisco a century ago. Middle class — he might be a cable car driver. Shocking how few clothes they had. Seriously. Which also explains why older houses have so little closet space. [Also incredibly tiny by today’s standards.]

    Of course, middle class for an agrarian society of the 1800s, would likely have only two sets — the same regular work dress or shirt and pants worn every day and washed Sat evening and “Sunday best” or “Go to meeting” clothes worn to church. The poor just washed their one set to wear on Sunday.

    And eye-opening tidbit to show how the world has changed in ways we may have forgotten. When I was in 8th grade, all boys took shop class and all girls took Home Ec. For three weeks we swapped. During those three weeks in 1970, we boys learned a little about cooking, practical fashion (buy a blue suit and gray suit to create four different outfits), etc. One of the skills we were “taught” was how to darn a sock.

    Imagine anyone darning a sock. I can’t even imagine a homeless person (assuming one who was not an addict and mentally sound, just broke) needing to darn a sock. I think that says quite a bit about change over a half century.

    Some (not rich) people donate more clothes today in a year than the typical middle class family owned over decades.

  4. jon baker,

    I have a neighbor who has been a primary school teacher for decades and is a lefty and presumably well connected to the teacher’s unions. In Nov. or Dec. of 2020, before anyone was getting vaccinated in volume, she was complaining about vaccinations and the issue of returning to the classroom. “What’s the point of vaccination if it doesn’t prevent infection and spread?” she said.

    At that point in time there was nothing in the media including the more technical material that suggested this. At least in my readings. I didn’t contest her statements, but I thought that she or the unions were just wrong.

    I can’t infer anything with certainty, but I think it is clear that our gov. and probably most of the medical community will do and say anything to move mass public perceptions, when it is in their interest.

    There is also the notion of the “good lie.” We certainly screwed up our economy with our covid response, and I think it would have been worse if the vaccination effort was widely seen as a joke at the start. (Sick joke?)

  5. jon baker,

    There are still ads today on twitter, etc. telling people to get the jab to protect from Covid. Incredibly reckless and harmful. Big Pharma may be immune from liability, but that leaves a whole lot of potential litigation targets out there. Think about pharmacies that are still pushing the jab.

    The number crunchers and scientific researchers I follow have convinced me that the data is overwhelming that the jabs are, at best, worthless. They also seem pretty sure that the data is making a strong case that the jabs are now making infection more likely. Of course, Malone and others have been telling us since the beginning that this is exactly what we should expect of these type shots. They permanently mess up our immune systems. By limiting our ability to adapt the jabs provide easy access to virus mutations.

    As if knights permanently welded heavy armor to their bodies which were only effective against a sword, but thereby made themselves permanently susceptible to all manner of other types of weapons that easily dispatched them.

    Note — I realize I am relying on others because I don’t have the ability to do this kind of work. I find them credible because they have consistently proven to be right over the last 2+ years and those who censor, shame, other, and slander them have consistently proven to be wrong and usually dishonest. Credibility matters. Track records are all we really have to go on.

  6. I love these historical clothing videos!
    Stan, that’s so true about the amount of clothing that people owned in the past. However, there are actually some socks that I will darn: Smartwool socks! They are too expensive to just throw away. Also, they are great socks.

  7. Virginia Postrel was the writer discussing middle class family clothing. Found it!
    https://vpostrel.com/articles/saved-by-the-closet

    “By contrast, consider a middle-class worker’s wardrobe during the Great Depression. Instead of roughly 90 items, it contained fewer than 15. For the typical white-collar clerk in the San Francisco Bay Area, those garments included three suits, eight shirts (of all types), and one extra pair of pants. A unionized streetcar operator would own a uniform, a suit, six shirts, an extra pair of pants, and a set of overalls. Their wives and children had similarly spare wardrobes. Based on how rarely items were replaced, a 1933 study concluded that this “clothing must have been worn until it was fairly shabby.”

  8. Over at Althouse, Ann posted a poll asking about Gov. DeSantis.

    “Should DeSantis be calling Fauci a “little elf” and envisioning a violent action against him?”

    What do the folks here feel about that? Does this help DeSantis portray himself as a kinder Trump? How will that play with independents that are looking to tone down the rhetoric?

    I saw that “Top Gov” ad at least a zillion time yesterday on Newsmax. I’m sure it was the same on Fox. No doubt it was shown on the alphabet networks as well. The ad was targeted at current Trump supporters. Does it help create the right impression with independents?

    One of the worst effects of the explosion of media is targeted ads. Back in the 70’s and 80’s it was specialty print publications. It’s dishonest in my estimation. In this case, it’s relatively harmless, since this conveys absolutely nothing about what the candidate’s stand on issues is.

    But target ads that promote on policy stance to one group and a different policy to another is deceitful.

    Unrelated.

    Does anyone listen anymore? Some talking head on Newsmax played a clip of a reporter asking Biden how much advance notice he had to the MAL raid.
    Biden: “I had no advance notice of the raid. Zero.”

    The talking head then asked his guest whether we should believe Biden didn’t know about the raid. Biden wasn’t asked about that. He was asked if he had advance notice.

    Of course he didn’t know the precise time the raid was going to be executed. Unless, he was in the war room with a video link to drones showing the execution of the raid, ala bin Laden.

  9. stan–

    About darning socks and small wardrobes: my dad and his younger brother served in the Army and Navy respectively in WWII. Both of them said that darning socks was an essential skill, whether you were an infantryman or a sailor (according to Uncle Don, some sailors also learned to knit).

    As for wardrobe limitations, when my mother started to work as a secretary in the 1930s, she had several sets of plastic cuff shields to protect the lower sleeves of her blouses from ink stains and smudges from carbon paper (remember carbon paper?!!). The cuff shields made it possible to wear a blouse longer before washing it, thus extending the lifespan of a Depression-era blouse. There are still a few of these antique cuff shields around:

    https://dorotheas-closet-vintage.myshopify.com/products/lace-look-plastic-sleeve-cuff-protectors-shields-circa-1930s?variant=32273148477527

  10. stan said to jon baker at 12:02: The number crunchers and scientific researchers I follow have convinced me that the data is overwhelming that the jabs are, at best, worthless. They also seem pretty sure that the data is making a strong case that the jabs are now making infection more likely.

    That second sentence would explain why “Dr.” Jill has tested positive for the Woo-Woo Flu the second time, even though she “previously received two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine as well as a booster shot.” The WH is calling her infection a “rebound” case of the bug.

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/24/first-lady-jill-biden-tests-positive-for-covid-again/

  11. The article about Jill Biden’s covid test does not say what kind of test it is.
    If she had a PCR test, it is meaningless in the absence of symptoms. The PCR test is extremely sensitive and can detect a little piece of the virus particle that the patient has inhaled. Unless the patient is sick, the PCR test should not be used.
    If the test was an antigen test, my understanding is that it is about 50% accurate. Since the test has only two possible outcomes–positive or negative–tossing a coin would be just about as good.

  12. Ace has a great post about the pernicious problem of Trump-hating Republicans who absolutely CANNOT admit any fault or responsibility for the mess we are now in.

    https://ace.mu.nu/

    Mike

  13. stan @ 11:50am,

    It’s pretty much just America. People in Europe and Asia, even wealthy people, often wear the same clothes for days. European and Asian apartments and homes typically have much less closet space than domiciles in the U.S. My wife’s European families are amazed by the size of our normal, American refrigerator.

  14. Seen at another blog.
    Kinda puts it all in perspective

    ACLU Fought Chemical Castration of Sex Offenders, Supports Use of Same Drugs on Trans Kids
    https://www.breitbart.com/health/2022/08/25/aclu-fought-chemical-castration-of-sex-offenders-supports-use-of-same-drugs-on-trans-kids/

    “The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which previously opposed the administration of a drug to chemically castrate sex offenders, is now advocating for children to be able to take the chemically castrating drugs as puberty blockers.”

  15. @ JimNorCal > “ACLU Fought Chemical Castration of Sex Offenders, Supports Use of Same Drugs on Trans Kids”

    If you could put people on a Venn diagram, I suspect there is a large overlap of the people who advocate for no limits on abortion, and also attend protests to end the death penalty even for egregiously heinous murders.

    (I am fine with making every effort to verify that the suspect is indeed guilty, but in a lot of the cases, they support perps where there is no doubt at all, by any rational standard.)

  16. @ stan – I remember when one of my grandmothers was able to move her entire wardrobe from a hook on the back of the bedroom door into a little closet, probably less than 3′ wide, that Grandad built by taking a chunk out of the bathroom, which itself had been carved out of the back porch a few years before.

    His clothes went in a chifferobe – a combination “closet” and dresser, with a couple of drawers below the flat surface that held his shaving gear and supported the mirror.
    I can’t find many examples on-line; this is the right design, but Grandad’s was much nicer, and a bit larger.
    https://www.myantiquefurniturecollection.com/i-have-what-looks-like-a-chifferobe-wardrobe/-dresser-with-mirror.-i-only-s…-1965213.html

    Most of the ones I’ve found look like my other grandpa’s, with a small cabinet above the drawers, not as big as this but similar.
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/1253788565/painted-furniture-hand-painted-antique?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=antique+chifferobe&ref=sr_gallery-1-8&frs=1

    Sadly, I didn’t make the cut to inherit either one.
    Here’s a really elaborate one with a “secretary” desk; wish I had one!
    https://www.myantiquefurniturecollection.com/i-have-a-matching-bedroom-set-with-headboard/footboard-chifferobe-and-dre…-63282.html

  17. “I had no advance notice of the raid. Zero.”

    Here’s a question:
    If you are the originator of a raid, initiate it, plan it, organize it and then deploy it, does that MEAN that you have ADVANCE NOTICE of the raid?

    That is, if it ORIGINATES WITH YOU, who actually NOTIFIES you? IOW, who can possibly notify you about something you knew about from the very beginning…simply because you planned it…

    (Ah, but IF ONLY “POTUS” had been asked, “Did you have any advance KNOWLEDGE of the raid?”…. But then, you can bet—inflationary dollars to donuts—that the Weasel in Chief would have responded the same way, “I had no advance NOTICE of the raid.”)

    File under: Weasels in Wonderland…

  18. Rufus T. Firefly @ 1:56pm
    Your comment reminded me of how some of the world wears clothes much longer, but also doesn’t use deodorant.

    Some Chinese engineers from a division there came to my engineering department to train in our procedures. They were here for 6 months, and yes they wore the same clothes day after day. That was less noticeable than the fact they didn’t use deodorant.

    They all had English first names (wouldn’t have been able to pronounce their Chinese names anyway) and were nice people. I got to know one of them (they spoke a very broken English which made any conversations difficult.) He had a family and one child. His mode of transportation was a motorcycle and his goal was to buy an American car. This was in 2012. He came back 4-5 years later for more training and sure enough he had bought a car, though it was a Chinese made car. He still couldn’t afford an American one.

    I retired in 2019, heard later that the entire department (I was in technical publications) had been offshored to India. So I got out just in time. I don’t know how well it turned out.

    The people there (all engineers) did good work, especially with the illustrations which were exploded views of engineering models, but you had to be very specific what you wanted them to do.

  19. AesopFan said at 3:04 pm, I remember when one of my grandmothers was able to move her entire wardrobe from a hook on the back of the bedroom door into a little closet, probably less than 3? wide . . .

    At the other extreme (which might interest Neo, with her recent post on royal gowns), Elizabeth II doesn’t need a closet, as her clothes are stored on an entire separate floor at Buckingham Palace: “Paul Burrell, who was Her Majesty’s footman before he became Princess Diana’s butler, recently told Yahoo UK’s The Royal Box that the Queen’s clothes are kept on a different floor from where she sleeps and gets dressed, and her outfits are brought down to her every day. . . .
    As for why her closet clothing floor is filled to the brim with such brightly colored ensembles? According to the documentary The Queen at 90, there’s a very specific reason for the Queen’s fashion choices, and it goes beyond color preference. As Sophie, Countess of Wessex, explained in the film, ‘She needs to stand out for people to be able to say, “I saw the Queen.”‘. . . . In fact, Queen Elizabeth’s biographer Robert Hardman even revealed that she once told him, ‘I can’t wear beige because nobody will know who I am.’ We’re not sure which is more badass: Wearing color to make sure people know they saw you, or eschewing a traditional closet in favor of an entire floor.”

    https://www.purewow.com/news/queen-elizabeths-closet-entire-floor

  20. J:

    Antigen tests are not 50% accurate. It’s more complex than that. It is extremely accurate if the result is negative.

    See this:

    In people who did not have COVID-19, antigen tests correctly ruled out infection in 99.6% of people with symptoms and 99.7% of people without symptoms…

    Using summary results for symptomatic people tested during the first week after symptoms began, if 1000 people with symptoms had the antigen test, and 50 (5%) of them really had COVID-19:

    • 45 people would test positive for COVID-19. Of these, 5 people (11%) would not have COVID-19 (false positive result).

    • 955 people would test negative for COVID-19. Of these, 10 people (1.0%) would actually have COVID-19 (false negative result).

    In people with no symptoms of COVID-19 the number of confirmed cases is expected to be much lower than in people with symptoms. Using summary results for people with no known exposure to COVID-19 in a bigger population of 10,000 people with no symptoms, where 50 (0.5%) of them really had COVID-19:

    • 62 people would test positive for COVID-19. Of these, 30 people (48%) would not have COVID-19 (false positive result).

    • 9938 people would test negative for COVID-19. Of these, 18 people (0.2%) would actually have COVID-19 (false negative result).

    What that means is that there are very very few false negatives, with or without symptoms. Among that very small percentage who test positive without having symptoms, however, there is an almost 50% false positive result.

  21. @MBunge: Linking to Ace’s front page ages poorly (and Ace doesn’t bother to have article links at the tops of the articles; you can find them at the bottom, usually labeled for after the fold or comments.) I guess you meant this article https://ace.mu.nu/archives/400645.php#400645

    @Rufus: Large refrigerator is a whole ‘nother animal, and has more to do with the American habit of generally doing all your grocery shopping for the week at once, rather than going every (or every other) day that is more common in Europe.

  22. Thanks for the data, Neo! The false positives seem to be the problem. Perhaps there should be less testing of asymptomatic people.

  23. Ace has a great post about the pernicious problem of Trump-hating Republicans who absolutely CANNOT admit any fault or responsibility for the mess we are now in.

    I think he’s right on certain essentials, but these sorts of posts need qualifications and corrections in the footnotes. Few of these people he’s attacking take liberal public policy positions (Max Boot, Jennifer Rubin, Wm. Kristol, and David Frum exceptions). Their problem has to do with character rather than ideology. David French is a tiresome pharisee, now bought and paid for. Dan McLaughlin has the soul of a school administrator, and not the sort you’d ever respect. Mona Charen would be the living embodiment of Margaret Wade from Dennis the Menace if Margaret ever lied.

  24. This video, as well as others previously shown brings home two points; how ingenious were the clothing worn in those times and what a monumental change the invention of the zipper brought, especially to women’s clothing.

  25. Revolution in clothing? Hook and Loop fasteners (Velcro). Double stick tape (wardrobe malfunctions).

    Stainless steel Velcro (Hook and Loop fasteners) is a real thing. McMaster-Carr 96225K41 and 962256K61

  26. California outlaws new ICE cars after 2035.

    My question:
    When do the lynch mobs come for the unelected CARB members?

  27. I’ve been listening to more Peter Zeihan. Interesting fellow.

    He’s got me persuaded that the present Chinese government will not survive this decade.

    There’s much current stuff on the internet that the Chinese economy is going to bust within days, weeks or months due to the outrageously leveraged real estate market. It’s possible, though I’m not a betting man when it comes to timing financial events.

    Zeihan’s argument is primarily demographic — the Chinese are now the most rapidly aging country on the planet. They simply will not have the labor force necessary to fuel economic growth.

    The Chinese Communist Party isn’t loved by the people, but the arrangement is the CCP keeps people employed and the people don’t revolt. It’s worked so far, but all good things come to an end.

  28. Fun Zeihan Chinese Covid tangent:

    The Chinese remain committed to Zero-Covid and it’s hurting their economy.

    Zeihan points out that since Zero-Covid has worked mostly, the Chinese have almost no herd immunity. Furthermore their vaccines don’t work.

    So if Xi Jinping gives up on enforcing Zero-Covid, he will not only lose face, he will face hundreds of millions of infections and likely millions of deaths in a short amount of time.

    I’m no fan of Xi, but that’s a tough one.,

  29. Hello. I’m wondering about the Galileo forgery which has been confirmed, the one in U of M’s archive, and whether its exposure has any consequences for the astronomical models that Galileo proposed. Not that I worry about the heliocentric model falling apart, of course.

    There was a certain amount of mild disappointment for me in the GOP primary results here the other day, in that Daphne Jordan lost – to Jim Tedisco, of all people. I thought he’d disappeared from the scene, but I was clearly mistaken. There must have been a redistricting that happened to cause that face-off.

  30. …what a monumental change the invention of the zipper brought, especially to women’s clothing.

    Geoffrey Britain:

    Family lore has it that my great-grandfather also invented the zipper. But Gideon Sundback beat GGF to the patent in 1917.

    What might have been.

    Nonetheless, GGF invented a better mousetrap to produce steel balls (for abrasives) and the family fortune was made.

    Though mostly pissed away by my mother’s generation.

    I inherited a bump which allowed me to take a year off and retool as computer programmer in the 80s, which was good timing.

  31. Here’s an excellent dialog between Peter Zeihan and Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas and former SEAL — “eyepatch guy” ).

    –Rep. Dan Crenshaw, “End of the World: How the Global Order is Collapsing | Peter Zeihan”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGKyR2_B70

    Crenshaw is gracious as the interviewer. He disagrees with Zeihan more than is apparent, but Crenshaw focuses on areas of constructive discussion.

    Kudos to both.

  32. I never quite bought into what has seemed the conventional wisdom that China had picked up the torch from the US as the premier global power.

    It was a combo of seeing the footage of all those Chinese “ghost cities”, knowing that the Chinese have a top-down communist economy albeit with a capitalist middle layer, and the general anti-American media which constantly runs stories about how we are being outrun by the EU or Japan or now Red China.

    America will be down for the count someday, but no time soon, I say.

  33. @ miguel > “indeed:”

    Indeed, indeed.

    The David Thompson post was good, but his internal links got better.
    You do need to see the meme in question to follow the discussion.
    And Ace rants about the same thing here — direct link for Boobah ;):
    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/400640.php

    https://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2022/08/impermissible-notions.html

    This, apparently, is what’s verboten on Twitter. Note that no inflammatory commentary was added to the image. The image itself was deemed a basis for both indignation and speedy action. And so, the enormous list of things to which Twitter’s moderators take exception now includes the suggestion that strident activists often do harm to the cause they ostensibly champion. A phenomenon seen all but daily, and on many fronts.

    The article that the illustration accompanies, by Eliza Mondegreen, can be found here. Readers are welcome to comb through it in search of seething hatred or some great urge to oppress.

    https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/trans-activism-and-the-road-not-taken?triedSigningIn=true
    The current conflict over trans rights was entirely avoidable.
    by Eliza Mondegreen 2022-08-19

    One thing that strikes me every time I talk to friends, colleagues, and near-perfect strangers about gender is just how far something like Daphne’s plea—“I just need you to believe that I’m having a human experience… Just believe I’m a person and I’m going through it”—would have gone in winning people’s empathy.

    All this is to say that the current conflict over trans rights wasn’t inevitable. In fact, it was entirely avoidable. It is not difficult to imagine a trans movement focused on providing accommodations for people who struggle with gender dysphoria, or even those who hold extraordinary beliefs about the nature of “gender identity.” Let’s call this the reasonable accommodations route.

    Now we can argue about which accommodations are reasonable and which requests conflict with or undermine the rights of other groups like women who need legal recognition as a sex class and spaces free from males, and children who need special protections from indoctrination and medical experimentation. A conversation about reasonable accommodations is a nuanced conversation. Instead, we got a radical trans movement that wants to erase sex in law and society, put men in women’s prisons and boys in girls’ sports, and run an unregulated medical experiment on gender-nonconforming children.

    Reasonable claims and demands can withstand scrutiny. Unreasonable claims and demands require a different approach. It’s impossible to make the case for putting male rapists in women’s prisons if you have to use plain language. It’s impossible to justify indoctrinating and then sterilizing confused children. You can only advance such goals if you’re willing to break the language, keep the public in the dark, and punish anyone who tries to drag your antics into the light. (In other words, you have to follow the Denton’s playbook.)

    That trans activism took this form tells us something about what’s driving the movement and what’s not.

    And so on. A most excellent rant.

    But, What is the Dentons Playbook?
    I’m glad you asked that question.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists
    by James Kirkup, 1 December 2019

    People and organisations that at the start of this decade had no clear policy on or even knowledge of trans issues are now enthusiastically embracing non-binary gender identities and transition, offering gender-neutral toilets and other changes required to accommodate trans people and their interests. These changes have, among other things, surprised many people. They wonder how this happened, and why no one seems to have asked them what they think about it, or considered how those changes might affect them.

    Some of the bodies that have embraced these changes with the greatest zeal are surprising: the police are not famous social liberals but many forces are now at the vanguard here, even to the point of checking our pronouns and harassing elderly ladies who say the wrong thing on Twitter.

    How did we get here? I think we can discount the idea that this is a simple question of organisations following a changing society. Bluntly, society still doesn’t know very much about transgenderism.

    So the question again: how did organisations with small budgets and limited resources achieve such stunning success, not just in the UK but elsewhere?

    Well, thanks to the legal website Roll On Friday, I have now seen a document that helps answer that question.

    The document is the work of Dentons, which says it is the world’s biggest law firm; the Thomson Reuters Foundation, an arm of the old media giant that appears dedicated to identity politics of various sorts; and the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and Intersex Youth & Student Organisation (IGLYO). Both Dentons and the Thomson Reuters Foundation note that the document does not necessarily reflect their views.

    The report is called ‘Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth’. Its purpose is to help trans groups in several countries bring about changes in the law to allow children to legally change their gender, without adult approval and without needing the approval of any authorities. ‘We hope this report will be a powerful tool for activists and NGOs working to advance the rights of trans youth across Europe and beyond,’ says the foreword.

    As you’d expect of a report co-written by the staff of a major law firm, it’s a comprehensive and solid document, summarising law, policy and ‘advocacy’ across several countries. Based on the contributions of trans groups from around the world (including two in the UK, one of which is not named), it collects and shares ‘best practice’ in ‘lobbying’ to change the law so that parents no longer have a say on their child’s legal gender.

    Kirkup quotes extensively to support his assertions* in summarizing the report:

    Although it offers extensive advice about the need to keep the trans-rights agenda out of the public’s gaze, the report has rather less to say about the possibility that advocates might just try doing what everyone else in politics does and make a persuasive argument for their cause. Actually convincing people that this stuff is a good idea doesn’t feature much in the report, which runs to 65 pages.

    I’m not going to tell you what I think of the report, or the agenda it sets out. I’m not going to pass comment on it or its authors. I’m just going to try to summarise its nature and contents.

    A major international law firm has helped write a lobbying manual for people who want to change the law to prevent parents having the final say about significant changes in the status of their own children. That manual advises those lobbying for that change to hide their plans behind a ‘veil’ and to make sure that neither the media nor the wider public know much about the changes affecting children that they are seeking to make. Because if the public find out about those changes, they might well object to them.

    I started my first job as a researcher in the Commons in 1994. I’ve been studying and writing about politics and policy ever since. And in my experience of how changes in the law are brought about, the approach described in that report is simply not normal or usual. ** In a democracy, we are all free to argue for whatever policy or position we wish. But normally, anyone who wants to change the law accepts that to do so they need to win the support or, at least, the consent of the people whose authority ultimately gives the law its force. The approach outlined, in detail, in the Dentons report amounts to a very different way of lobbying to get the laws and policies you want. Even more notably, it suggests that in several countries people have been quite successful in lobbying behind a ‘veil’ and in a way that deliberately avoids the attention of the public. That, I think, should interest anyone who cares about how politics and policy are conducted, whether or not they care about the transgender issue.

    I’m going to conclude with an observation I’ve made here before, but which I think bears repeating in the context of that report and the things it might tell people about other aspects of the trans issue: no policy made in the shadows can survive in sunlight.

    This was information publicly available three years ago, and yet here we are in the swamp fighting the alligators.

    However, there are some bright spots that may approximate sunlight.
    (next comment)

    *As Neo put it in another post, “all investigations have supported that assertion.”
    ** On the contrary, it is very much the normal and usual method used by communism, socialism, Marxism, Nazism, and all the other -isms that have done their share to destroy civilization. Because they absolutely know that ” if the public find out about those changes, they might well object to them.”

    Let me add Obamaism & Bidenism to that list.

  34. Two years ago during the Kenosha riots, Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed a thug who was beating him with a skateboard. Kyle was charged with murder and acquitted.

    The thug’s family filed a civil suit against Kyle. Kyle’s mother is asking for help with Kyle’s legal fees, and also asked for words of encouragement for him.
    https://www.tmap.org/

  35. This episode of sunlight is brought to you by Ace and the number 11.
    He was really on fire today about transgender and other gender-bender woke activism.

    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/400644.php

    Zaslav Cancels Woke Ellen DeGeneres Cartoon Aimed At Children
    David Zaslav, the CEO of the merged Warner Discovery, is swinging his Mighty Ax, and he’s swinging it at a lot of Charity Projects that do not bring in money.

    Stuff that was never designed to earn money, but just earn Woke Points.

    David Zaslav can give a rat’s ass about Woke Points.

    As Ellen DeGeneres, The Nicest Woman in Hollywood, has just been informed.

    Also cut: the new Batman: Caped Crusader animated show from Bruce Timm, Matt Reeves, and, um, J.J. Abrams.

    Now, that may sound like a loss, but maybe not. Ethan Van Sciver pointed out this Bounding Into Comics article from last year, in which Bruce Timm — who, frankly, has not been associated with quality for a while — bragged that the new show would be “diverse,” “inclusive,” and “adult.”

    J.J. Abrams’ track record in attaching himself to healthy franchises and parasitically sucking the life out of them is well-known by now, so I think Batman dodged another bullet here.

    And what’s this with “adult”? Or “dark.” Who wants this? I don’t mind this kind of stuff edging towards “adult” or “dark” — like maybe up to the level of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom — but let’s stop kidding ourselves, this is boys’ adventure fiction, and it should keep mainly to that.

    Hey, I’m going to remake Treasure Island with some strong sexual content including an implied r@pe of Jim Hawkins. Some real randy stuff. Who’s interested?

    C’mon. I’m tired of nerds trying to cadge some validation for their enjoyment of juvenile adventure fare by demanding they be made “dark” or “adult.”

    Meanwhile, DC Comics is firing on all cylinders. They hint that Superman will be getting married, to a boy.

    Jon Kent is now Superman. That allows them to say “Superman is gay” while keeping the real Superman not gay (for the moment).

    But meanwhile, the real Batman has been revealed to be bisexual, or at least willing to go G4P (gay for pay, or gay for information).

    DC Comics had not yet felt the chop of Zaslav’s Mighty Axe because the division was too small to make much a difference.

    But that might have just changed.

    Wes from Thinking Critical says he has a source in the Discovery accounting office that tells him that their office asked for a management report from Warner Bros.’s accounts detailing all of DC Comics’ expenses and revenues, and winners and losers, in the DC Comics line.

    That is, the parent corporation’s accountants demanded an accounting from the child corporation’s accountants about a subsidiary’s gains and losses.

    Which is going to be terrible bad news for DC Comics, because they’ve been deliberately keeping terrible, non-selling #Woke writers on staff for years, killing the brand and costing the company millions, and just trusting that no one from corporate would ever come looking into their books.

    They shifted from a strategy of treating sales as the chief metric of success to treating Twitter #OMG’s and #Yass’s and #SlayKween’s as their metric. That’s why they’ve turned almost every single character in their stable gay or bisexual.

    Well, apparently, now the parent corporation is looking at the books.

    And that will not be good for DC Comics. No poorly performing unit can profit from management ever looking at their books. Nothing good can come of that, at least, nothing good can come to the people currently mismanaging DC or working there.

    The ax may finally fall. And it may fall gloriously bloody.

    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/400660.php

    Washington Post: A Michigan Town Defunds Their Local Library Over the Librarian’s Insistence on Lending the Gay Pornographic Comic Book for Children Gender Queer Out
    Oh no! It’s as if citizens have the right to decide what their tax monies will be spent upon, rather than an intransigent civil service reactionary pink-haired leftist paid by those taxes!

    A community wanted the local library that their tax dollars funded to stop lending out the gay pornographic graphic novel (comic book) “Gender Queer” …

    The librarian refused.

    The town defunded the library.

    The Washington Post is sad, and demands that underaged children have access to gay pornographic comic books.

    Librarians have twisted into pretty sick creatures. Communities have repeatedly told them: You can carry pornographic books if you like, but make them age-restricted so that our children cannot access them. You know, the way children are not allowed generally to watch pornographic movies, view pornographic magazines, or peruse the shelves of pornographic book-shops.

    Time and time again librarians have haughtily refused, citing some non-existent right that children have to view pornography.

    One suspects they just don’t want to be hassled checking IDs, or making a special adults-only aisle.

    Actually, I don’t suspect that. They have really made this a defining dogma of their silly profession.**

    But librarians across the country have repeatedly insisted that when children come into the library, they may read any pornographic book they like, or watch any X-rated movie the library might have.

    Or view any x-rated content on the library’s computers over the internet.

    These bitter twisted freaks just keep insisting that “information wants to be free” — in children’s pants.

    They live very lonely, boring, useless (and usually childless, go figure) lives and have decided they will make their Drama in providing pornography to children against parents’ wishes, and call themselves Heroes for standing up to the Squares.

    The group Gays Against Groomers* makes a point about this: the groomers are using the Rainbow Flag as cover for their grooming and actual pedophilia.*** No one, but no one, would ever say that it’s okay to give a kid a comic book showing kids [deleted] if the kids were straight; but now we say “Oh but this is a gay coming of age story!,” and everyone is supposed to say, “Oh well then it’s perfectly okay to distribute pornography of underaged children performing sodomy on each other! Why didn’t you say so straight away?!”

    It’s being asserted that if you just stick a Rainbow Flag on what would otherwise be acknowledged to be child porn, the Rainbow Flag washes the sin away and makes it clean and pure.

    No it does not. The Rainbow Flag is not some kind of dispensation from God making Minor Attracted Person material, including sexualized drag shows, acceptable for viewing by children.

    The gay lobby and their leftwing straight “allies” are doing gays no favors in the court of public opinion by endorsing this bizarre regime of “It’s OK If It’s Gay” dispensation for child sexualization.

    I can’t believe anyone even has to explain this.


    * Banned from Twitter. Obviously. You can groom on Twitter, you just can’t be against grooming on Twitter.

    ** I was briefly a children’s librarian in the early oughts, and there was no way we would have put something like this out on the kids’ shelves even if we had bought it, which we wouldn’t have, even if it had been available, which it wasn’t, outside of maybe Penthouse and Hustler, and I don’t remember ever hearing them accused of anything other than, ah, adult fare. The library being a conservative small town in Texas, we didn’t buy adult porn either.

    *** Notice the Dentons Playbook in action.

    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/400301.php
    (from earlier this month)

    “Batgirl” Film Was Nearly Completed and Cost Between $70 and $100 Million, But Test Audiences Found It “Unspeakable”
    It had finished principle photography and was in post-production, where special effects and music and sound effects and editing would be completed.

    And also, mostly likely, reshoots. Especially with big “blockbuster” movies, and especially with big bad “blockbuster” movies, you probably need a two or more (maybe even six) weeks of reshoots with the cast and crew, which can get expensive.

    I heard a guy estimate that post-production costs could run maybe $80 million more.

    And then advertising and prints could cost, well, a hundred or two hundred million, if they were going to run it in theaters.

    But a source said the film was “unspeakable” and “irredeemable” — and likely to damage the DC Brand, which is already in the toilet.

    So Zaslev is putting a completed (or near-completed) film in the vault, forever.

    By the way, there was yet another race-swap in the casting, and another Gingercide.

    Barbara “Batgirl” Gordon, a white redhead in the comics, was made into a black (or half-black) girl.

    If you haven’t heard of “Gingercide,” it refers to Hollywood’s weird insistence on race-swapping every single ginger in the comics to a black actor or sometimes a Hispanic one.

    The gingers — who are a real minority, of course — can’t be happy about this, though.

    Where’s their representation?

    When Zaslav — or whoever the source for this story — says that the Batgirl movie will irreparably damage the DC brand, he’s almost certainly not just talking about the film’s quality, which is, of course, almost certainly down to the low level we’ve come to expect from DC.

    He’s also talking about this movie establishing that Batman — the real one, the active one — and Superman are dead in this universe and have been replaced by Younger, More Diverse Female Replacements Who Are Superior In Every Way, Bigot.*

    Which he suspects won’t play as well with the mostly-male comic book movie audience as Girlboss feminist CEOs might. Activist Twitter lunatics demand that Hollywood make movies for them… and then never actually see these movies.

    They just want the movies taken away from straight men, whom they hate with the intensity of a burning cross.

    * I omitted the evidence that supports his assertion.

  36. The whole barbara gordon mythos has been terribly rendered on video there was a bird of prey series around 2002 (what) there was the film about three years ago and now this execrudence.

    They had one decent hit with wonder woman which the botched in the sequel (too timely) and aquaman which amber heard has waterlogged

  37. @ Philip Sells > “I’m wondering about the Galileo forgery which has been confirmed, the one in U of M’s archive, and whether its exposure has any consequences for the astronomical models that Galileo proposed. Not that I worry about the heliocentric model falling apart, of course.”

    I missed that story, in all the excitement this week about current political frauds.
    If I read it correctly, the sketch’s substance is authentic, but this is not an original document by the great scientist. (Who might actually have a credible claim to being The Science, at least of his era.)

    A scholarly post, with a picture.
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/historian-discovers-a-prized-galileo-manuscript-was-forged-180980615/

    For nearly a century, the University of Michigan possessed a piece of paper that it considered “one of the jewels” of its library. Believed to have been written in 1609 and 1610 by astronomer and physicist Galileo Galilei, it features a letter signed by the scientist describing a new telescope and sketches of moons orbiting Jupiter. The university held that it was the “first observational data that showed objects orbiting a body other than the earth.”

    Galileo did use a new telescope in 1610 to discover that moons orbit around Jupiter—a finding that helped substantiate Nicolaus Copernicus’ heliocentric theory—but he did not write the manuscript, the university announced last week following an investigation. Rather, the document was forged in the 20th century, most likely by a man named Tobia Nicotra.

    In a statement, the university says it is undergoing a “reconsideration of [the manuscript’s] place in the collection,” and that it “may come to serve the research, learning and teaching interests in the arena of fakes, forgeries and hoaxes, a timeless discipline that’s never been more relevant.”

    Timeless indeed: Last year, a technical analysis revealed that Yale University’s treasured Vinland Map, formerly believed to be a Viking map of North America from the 1440s, was actually forged in the 20th century. In 2020, Germany’s Museum Ludwig exhibited a collection of fake and misattributed paintings in a bold approach to the taboo subject of forgery.

    Per the Times, the University of Michigan is considering taking a similar approach to the fake Galileo. Rather than tuck it away, the university may make it the centerpiece of a future exhibition on the art of forgery.

    I’ve actually toured an exhibition on forgers, mostly of art and science, and the stories are fascinating, especially the care they put into making their fakes look good enough to fool the experts.

  38. I might have mentioned the writers are two lebanese gentlemen from detroit most known for the last bad boys film (which wasnt terrible) but the notion of erasing all the male characters from existence through this timey wimey exercise wrung poorly for zaslav

  39. This exercise in forgery reminds of a really old irwin wallace potboiler about another gospel made into a film with james whitmore sr if memory serves

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