My Mom + I were once watching the start of a Jodi Foster-like, romance film.
Then my Dad walked into the room. [All 3 of us were over 25, at this time.]
I guess my Dad didn’t want my Mom to get upset or something + said,
“Do you REALLY want to watch that? Her daughter dies at the end!”
…And I said, “Thanks a whole lot. That just ruined the whole story for me! Do you want to watch something [else]? Do you want something tame?…Maybe like The Price Is Right?”
Oh well. families, + movies. What can you do. Who can say.
om,
“Rosebuds in the snow?”
Singing, “Red Sails in the Sunset?”
🙂
Re: Climate Change
Interesting research results showing the effects of earth’s orbital mechanics on ice sheet expansion/contraction and intense summers.
You will note that CO2 is not even mentioned in the article.
No surprise really; well before human activity could have had any possible affect on climate, the earth’s climate swung from cold to hot to in-between repeatedly.
Someone should name their kid, “July”.
I’ve heard of people being named “January”, and “April, May, June” are all common, and I’ve heard of people named “August”.
February doesn’t roll off the tongue, and March sounds more like (and is) a last name…. And September, etc., are all kinda wierd (though I believe I’ve heard of September, October, and December used as names, too, though it’s even rarer than “January”).
I’ve never head of anyone named “July”, and it’s such an easy name to remember, but so unusual as to be very distinctive.
Someone should do it.
😀
But
As if the law and many judges weren’t crazy enough, we get this ruling, in which a California appellate court apparently decided that bumblebees are, in truth, fish for the purposes of California’s environmental laws.
$5.39 for a gallon of regular yesterday in NW Indiana. This shit has gotten real.
RE ObloodyHell on June 1, 2022 at 1:38 pm said: Someone should name their kid, “July”.
Ahem:
“July, You’re A Woman”
By John Stewart
I can’t hold it on the road when you’re sittin’ right beside me,
And I’m drunk out of my mind merely from the fact that you are here.
Yeah, and I have not been known as the Saint of San Joaquin,
And I’d just as soon right now pull on over to the side of the road and show you what I mean.
La da da da da da da.
La da da da da da da.
July, you’re a woman, more than any one I’ve ever known.
Yeah, and I can’t hold my eyes on the white line out before me
When you’re hand is on my collar and you’re talkin’ in my ear.
Oh, and I have been around with a gypsy girl named Shannon, daughter of the devil.
It is strange that I should mention that to you, ’cause I haven’t thought of her in years.
well it’s more the significance of the name, which is referrenced in the beginning and then at the end, the investigator’s quest is all through out the film,*
welles, an infant terrible in his own right, sort of sympathized with hearst, but he used an expose by w a swanberg, a low down muckraker, as the shell for his story, because like murdoch in the recent past, he was a foil to the prog project,
*its a supposedly nc 17 reference
Yes, the word “rosebud” occurs at the beginning of the film, so the word in and of itself doesn’t give anything away.
It was well known at the time that William R. Hearst was the primary inspiration for Kane even though some elements from other tycoons were folded in. Reading about the film today, I see that people back then also assumed incorrectly that the female lead of the movie was representative of Marion Davies. That character was so deficient in the movie that it ruined Davies’ career (maybe) and public perception.
TommyJay,
Of course- neo did not give away any part of the film, Citizen Kane, but it would be a matter of time before someone in the comments, probably [would], in my view.
Also- a [lot] of movie fans are really “ticked off” that Charles Schultz, of the comic strip, [ Peanuts ], for his blatantly revealing a major secret of the Citizen Kane film, in one of his comics.
He was a real spoil sport. 🙁
This is just my view- some times, some authors + cartoonists can really spoil a film for you, by giving away the secrets in that film’s story.
That’s all.
you can see the drive by ‘loudest man in the room’ and ‘bombshell’ as an analog to wretched defamation, ‘written with lightning’ a dw griffith described movie making, they had the original droog mcdowell as rupert murdoch, in the second one,
but it’s not as obvious as ‘vader is luke’s father’ or bruce willis’s character is dead in that film, which names escapes me,
miguel cervantes,
Vader is Luke Duke’s father????
Awww. I wanted to find that out, by myself. 😀
@ TR > Singing, “Red Sails in the Sunset?”
Why, yes, I have done that many times.
It’s a lovely song.
Lots of covers over the years since 1935.
Original recording. 1st RECORDING OF: Red Sails In The Sunset – Lew Stone Band (1935–Joe Ferrie, vocal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_oF9XukLeE
The original 78rpm single was issued on (UK) Regal Zonophone MR-1786 and billed as a Fox Trot. Ferrie has a nice tenor voice, and a very distinct burr on the ‘r’s. He isn’t credited on the label and has no Wikipedia entry.
Fame indeed is fleeting.
Commenter: For those of you who did not know – the music was composed by Austrian Wilhelm Grosz under the pseudonym Hugh Williams. Jimmy Kennedy wrote the lyrics. Being Jewish, Grosz was forced to flee from his native land because of the Nazi takeover, Grosz resettled in England in 1934.
* * *
The original lyrics are from a fiancée’s point of view, so it should really be sung by a woman, but no one bothered about that sort of thing until about 5 minutes ago.
Patti Page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE_QLL8-61U
commenter: Lovely… television broadcast? I wonder if she and Crosby or Nat King Cole ever did it as a duet, since all three recorded it… before Fats Domino or the Platters or the Beatles!
* * *
The Platters (1959) altered the lyrics appropriately, but the singer is a countertenor – very high tenor – and sounds like a woman, except for some technical features most people don’t know about if they aren’t vocal specialists.
I guess those biologists can come in handy sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwOpwhxn1wE
commenter: This is the great Tony Williams at his best. The passion and energy in his voice goes right to the soul.
* * *
Nat King Cole. Also gendered the lyrics correctly for his POV, leaving off the verse.
Red Sails In The Sunset (Remastered 1991)
A very different voice from Williams, to say the least. Smooth listening arrangement.
I don’t care for the chorus parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5mMVi-SEX0
* * *
The Beatles. Really. Recorded live at the Starclub in Hamburg 1962.
Lyrics form the graphics, and give some info on the inspiration for the composer, an actual boat he often watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9USuGvPhg
* * *
“Rosebuds in the Snow” isn’t familiar to me.
This is all I could find on the webz. It’s okay but not great.
In other newshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRdxyIYOjk&feature=youtu.be
TR, TommyJay:
I suppose I come down leniently on spoilers. If the big reveal of the film is all the big deal the film has going for it, I guess it’s a problem. However, if so, I question how much of a film it is.
Like, if someone felt the New Testament was ruined by knowing ahead of time that
*** SPOILER ALERT ***
Jesus is crucified and resurrected at the end of the Gospels.
There’s still a lot of good stories and teachings between that and Bethlehem.
Just so with “Citizen Kane.”
What is the meaning of rosebud was it the sled or something more personal welles took kane and then did magnificent ambersons about another diffident dynast and then went on a project for rockefeller which went wildly off the boards
The original 78rpm single was issued on (UK) Regal Zonophone MR-1786 and billed as a Fox Trot.
AesopFan:
Whoa! That linked up with a fave Procol Harum song, “Magdalene (My Regal Zonophone).” I thought Zonophone was a bit of nonsense the Procol Boys, or at least lyricist Keith Reid, came up with.
In fact Regal Zonophone was a defunct record label from the time of your link, which was revived in 1967 for sixties Brit musical acts such as Procol Harum, Joe Cocker and Tyrannosaurus Rex.
}}} …Having said that, I guess most people under 40 haven’t heard of the “Kane” film.
OK, they may have heard it, but it may have been unbearable for them to watch.
Allow me to explain that, I’m not dissing it:
I have noted (and mentioned it before) — film breaks down into five major areas, with a key “event” separating the movies before and after.
The first one is just flat out obvious: Sound.
The movies before sound and the movies after are very very different, and, in fact, many actors were unable to make the transition, either because they had poor voices (you could squeak like a mouse and no one would know on silent films) or because their voices did not work well with their acting (e.g., perhaps they spoke in a natural monotone).
The next transition was “Method Acting”. Starting with Brando in “A Streetcar Named Desire” and “On the Waterfront”, actors ACTED. Prior to that, they tended to be cast based on their “look” — most notably, the good girls were blondes, the bad girls were brunettes. This even led to the term “casting against type” — From Here To Eternity is a notable example, the good girl is a brunette, the bad girl was a blonde.
The main thing is, there was a lot more acting involved in films after Brando.
The Third transition event was the MPAA.
Prior to the MPAA, all movies were made under rules referred to as The Hayes Code, which had all kinds of different limitations on what could be depicted on-screen. For example, two people could not be depicted on or in a bed unless each had one foot sitting on the floor. This even extended to actor-couples, such as Hepburn and Tracy, who were married in real life. It’s one reason why married couples depicted back then always had twin beds. You could not depict homosexuality at all, though there were euphemisms for it.
After the MPAA, you could do anything, it just affected the rating it wound up with. Much more violence was possible, as was directly frank sexual discussions including homosexuality and prostitution (e.g., Midnight Cowboy).
The funny thing here is that they trademarked all the ratings EXCEPT “X”, figuring that, anyone could reject getting rated at all by putting an X onto their film.
The newly developing porn industry quickly co-opted it and made “XXX” the standard. This unfortunately associated “X” with porn, and thus most theater chains would not even book a film with an “X” rating. So it was defacto abandoned, and, if they did not want to accept edits needed for an “R”, they then released it as “entirely unrated” (rare — many theater chains still would not book). Possibly the most critically noted not rated film was “The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover”.
They attempted to fix this later with the NC17 rating, which was same as the “X” but trademarked, and had to be “given”.
Unfortunately, most theater chains still refused to book NC17 films, so it also became rather moribund, with only one major release, a biopic about erotica author Henry Miller, titled “Henry and June”.
The final breakpoint, so far, was, oddly enough. MTV — “music television”.
With the advent of music videos, an entire generation of young viewers were fed a steady diet of fast-paced, visually rich storytelling. In concert, you had an entire generation of young “up and coming” directors taught to utilize fast-paced, visually rich storytelling, AND collectively they developed a lot of shorthands which the viewers grew familiar with.
As those young directors graduated to film, their style of fast-paced, visually rich directing came with them, and movies became the same.
This dichotomy is very evident in movies before 1980 and movies after 1990 (movies from the 80s could go either way, depending on the director’s being pre-1980 in development or after, and their flexibility in adopting the newer style).
But as a result, older movies seem much slower, much more talky and less stimulating, while newer ones are more frenetic, more “bam! bam! bam!”.
So older audiences (fewer than ever, as we are now talking people in their 60s and older today) often complain that the newer movies are all “zoom zoom zoom” and filled with explosions… While younger audiences are going, “WTF? These two have been talking for 2 minutes! Is anything ever gonna happen??”
Older audiences need to learn to “speed up” (or not, but they have to stick to old movies, which may be fine by them).
Younger audiences need to learn to be more patient with older films — or not, but they do lose out this way on being able to watch several thousand older movies which are well worth the effort.
An example of this would be the 1970s Three Musketeers/Four Musketeers — it is far and away the best filmed version of the story, BUT, it feels definitely slower than it originally did, and suffers as a result.
It would almost be interesting, in cases where there is a lot of the old footage still in archives (no idea how much unused footage is actually kept), having a young director/editor with talent go in and re-edit to a faster, more modern pacing. Yes, in some circles this is “sacrilege!” but frankly, if it makes it more accessible to modern watchers, that’s not that big a deal. You can think of it as a re-shoot of the movie, if you like.
==========
In general, this is why I say it might be “unbearable for them to watch” — not because it is not an awesome movie, but because they just haven’t been trained in their expectations to deal with the older, slower visual pace of movies.
Snow on pine: Re, the Cali Bee case. Some wag commented about it on another site:
Tjj300 — So that means bees can now be eaten on Fridays during Lent.
BWAAAAhahahhaa…
“Only if you’re in Cali, though.”
@ OBH > “they just haven’t been trained in their expectations to deal with the older, slower visual pace of movies.”
I’ve noticed this especially if you watch an old movie and a modern “remake” (or take-off).
“Ocean’s Eleven” was an especially noticeable contrast, and the one which brought my attention to the phenomenon.
IMO – a middling pace would be preferable: not so slow, not too fast.
Hi AesopGan,
Thanks for all the info on – different bands singing: “Red sails in the sunset”.
I’ll go + try to find videos of these sings.
If you like hearing folk-songs, + US songs from US history, There is the singer named, Burl Ives.
He had a singing career, + movies career, from the 1940s through the 1980s, I think.
Here’s a Wikipedia page that lists [most of, I think], the songs sung, + recorded, by Burl Ives:
Yellow Rose of Texas?
It’s a small thing but-
please do not tell other people the whole stories of films.
That ruins the film, or films, for other people.
…Having said that, I guess most people under 40 haven’t heard of the “Kane” film.
🙂
Well there is that Intertube thing if a citizen was interested in the film:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane
Rosebuds in the snow?
One reason I wrote the above comment was-
My Mom + I were once watching the start of a Jodi Foster-like, romance film.
Then my Dad walked into the room. [All 3 of us were over 25, at this time.]
I guess my Dad didn’t want my Mom to get upset or something + said,
“Do you REALLY want to watch that? Her daughter dies at the end!”
…And I said, “Thanks a whole lot. That just ruined the whole story for me! Do you want to watch something [else]? Do you want something tame?…Maybe like The Price Is Right?”
Oh well. families, + movies. What can you do. Who can say.
om,
“Rosebuds in the snow?”
Singing, “Red Sails in the Sunset?”
🙂
Re: Climate Change
Interesting research results showing the effects of earth’s orbital mechanics on ice sheet expansion/contraction and intense summers.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/954013
You will note that CO2 is not even mentioned in the article.
No surprise really; well before human activity could have had any possible affect on climate, the earth’s climate swung from cold to hot to in-between repeatedly.
Someone should name their kid, “July”.
I’ve heard of people being named “January”, and “April, May, June” are all common, and I’ve heard of people named “August”.
February doesn’t roll off the tongue, and March sounds more like (and is) a last name…. And September, etc., are all kinda wierd (though I believe I’ve heard of September, October, and December used as names, too, though it’s even rarer than “January”).
I’ve never head of anyone named “July”, and it’s such an easy name to remember, but so unusual as to be very distinctive.
Someone should do it.
😀
But
As if the law and many judges weren’t crazy enough, we get this ruling, in which a California appellate court apparently decided that bumblebees are, in truth, fish for the purposes of California’s environmental laws.
See https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/05/a-bumblebee-needs-fins-like-a-fish-needs-a.php
$5.39 for a gallon of regular yesterday in NW Indiana. This shit has gotten real.
RE ObloodyHell on June 1, 2022 at 1:38 pm said: Someone should name their kid, “July”.
Ahem:
“July, You’re A Woman”
By John Stewart
I can’t hold it on the road when you’re sittin’ right beside me,
And I’m drunk out of my mind merely from the fact that you are here.
Yeah, and I have not been known as the Saint of San Joaquin,
And I’d just as soon right now pull on over to the side of the road and show you what I mean.
La da da da da da da.
La da da da da da da.
July, you’re a woman, more than any one I’ve ever known.
Yeah, and I can’t hold my eyes on the white line out before me
When you’re hand is on my collar and you’re talkin’ in my ear.
Oh, and I have been around with a gypsy girl named Shannon, daughter of the devil.
It is strange that I should mention that to you, ’cause I haven’t thought of her in years.
well it’s more the significance of the name, which is referrenced in the beginning and then at the end, the investigator’s quest is all through out the film,*
welles, an infant terrible in his own right, sort of sympathized with hearst, but he used an expose by w a swanberg, a low down muckraker, as the shell for his story, because like murdoch in the recent past, he was a foil to the prog project,
*its a supposedly nc 17 reference
Yes, the word “rosebud” occurs at the beginning of the film, so the word in and of itself doesn’t give anything away.
It was well known at the time that William R. Hearst was the primary inspiration for Kane even though some elements from other tycoons were folded in. Reading about the film today, I see that people back then also assumed incorrectly that the female lead of the movie was representative of Marion Davies. That character was so deficient in the movie that it ruined Davies’ career (maybe) and public perception.
TommyJay,
Of course- neo did not give away any part of the film, Citizen Kane, but it would be a matter of time before someone in the comments, probably [would], in my view.
Also- a [lot] of movie fans are really “ticked off” that Charles Schultz, of the comic strip, [ Peanuts ], for his blatantly revealing a major secret of the Citizen Kane film, in one of his comics.
He was a real spoil sport. 🙁
This is just my view- some times, some authors + cartoonists can really spoil a film for you, by giving away the secrets in that film’s story.
That’s all.
you can see the drive by ‘loudest man in the room’ and ‘bombshell’ as an analog to wretched defamation, ‘written with lightning’ a dw griffith described movie making, they had the original droog mcdowell as rupert murdoch, in the second one,
but it’s not as obvious as ‘vader is luke’s father’ or bruce willis’s character is dead in that film, which names escapes me,
miguel cervantes,
Vader is Luke Duke’s father????
Awww. I wanted to find that out, by myself. 😀
@ TR > Singing, “Red Sails in the Sunset?”
Why, yes, I have done that many times.
It’s a lovely song.
Lots of covers over the years since 1935.
Original recording. 1st RECORDING OF: Red Sails In The Sunset – Lew Stone Band (1935–Joe Ferrie, vocal)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_oF9XukLeE
The original 78rpm single was issued on (UK) Regal Zonophone MR-1786 and billed as a Fox Trot. Ferrie has a nice tenor voice, and a very distinct burr on the ‘r’s. He isn’t credited on the label and has no Wikipedia entry.
Fame indeed is fleeting.
Commenter: For those of you who did not know – the music was composed by Austrian Wilhelm Grosz under the pseudonym Hugh Williams. Jimmy Kennedy wrote the lyrics. Being Jewish, Grosz was forced to flee from his native land because of the Nazi takeover, Grosz resettled in England in 1934.
* * *
The original lyrics are from a fiancée’s point of view, so it should really be sung by a woman, but no one bothered about that sort of thing until about 5 minutes ago.
Patti Page.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE_QLL8-61U
commenter: Lovely… television broadcast? I wonder if she and Crosby or Nat King Cole ever did it as a duet, since all three recorded it… before Fats Domino or the Platters or the Beatles!
* * *
Crosby (1935) includes the verse, which makes it clear he is repeating a song heard from a “fisher girl on the shore” –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGIwSwAvp6o
* * *
The Platters (1959) altered the lyrics appropriately, but the singer is a countertenor – very high tenor – and sounds like a woman, except for some technical features most people don’t know about if they aren’t vocal specialists.
I guess those biologists can come in handy sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwOpwhxn1wE
commenter: This is the great Tony Williams at his best. The passion and energy in his voice goes right to the soul.
* * *
Nat King Cole. Also gendered the lyrics correctly for his POV, leaving off the verse.
Red Sails In The Sunset (Remastered 1991)
A very different voice from Williams, to say the least. Smooth listening arrangement.
I don’t care for the chorus parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5mMVi-SEX0
* * *
The Beatles. Really. Recorded live at the Starclub in Hamburg 1962.
Lyrics form the graphics, and give some info on the inspiration for the composer, an actual boat he often watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9USuGvPhg
* * *
“Rosebuds in the Snow” isn’t familiar to me.
This is all I could find on the webz. It’s okay but not great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQVhmjQeTo
In other newshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRdxyIYOjk&feature=youtu.be
TR, TommyJay:
I suppose I come down leniently on spoilers. If the big reveal of the film is all the big deal the film has going for it, I guess it’s a problem. However, if so, I question how much of a film it is.
Like, if someone felt the New Testament was ruined by knowing ahead of time that
*** SPOILER ALERT ***
Jesus is crucified and resurrected at the end of the Gospels.
There’s still a lot of good stories and teachings between that and Bethlehem.
Just so with “Citizen Kane.”
What is the meaning of rosebud was it the sled or something more personal welles took kane and then did magnificent ambersons about another diffident dynast and then went on a project for rockefeller which went wildly off the boards
The original 78rpm single was issued on (UK) Regal Zonophone MR-1786 and billed as a Fox Trot.
AesopFan:
Whoa! That linked up with a fave Procol Harum song, “Magdalene (My Regal Zonophone).” I thought Zonophone was a bit of nonsense the Procol Boys, or at least lyricist Keith Reid, came up with.
In fact Regal Zonophone was a defunct record label from the time of your link, which was revived in 1967 for sixties Brit musical acts such as Procol Harum, Joe Cocker and Tyrannosaurus Rex.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regal_Zonophone_Records
Still not sure why Procol used the label in a song title then. It was 1967…
What is the meaning of rosebud was it the sled or something more personal…
miguel cervantes:
The real dope, or so I have read, is that “rosebud” was actually Hearst’s pet name for his wife’s clitoris.
Which would make the film even more insulting to Hearst and perhaps had something to do with Welles’ later career difficulties.
Welles really pissed off quite a lot of people with “Kane” for good and bad reasons.
I was dancing around that point see how tactful i can be hearst would havr figured it out though.
In other news
https://marginalrevolution.com/
Narrative broken
https://mobile.twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1532190213858009088?cxt=HHwWgICxlba4t8MqAAAA
}}} …Having said that, I guess most people under 40 haven’t heard of the “Kane” film.
OK, they may have heard it, but it may have been unbearable for them to watch.
Allow me to explain that, I’m not dissing it:
I have noted (and mentioned it before) — film breaks down into five major areas, with a key “event” separating the movies before and after.
The first one is just flat out obvious: Sound.
The movies before sound and the movies after are very very different, and, in fact, many actors were unable to make the transition, either because they had poor voices (you could squeak like a mouse and no one would know on silent films) or because their voices did not work well with their acting (e.g., perhaps they spoke in a natural monotone).
The next transition was “Method Acting”. Starting with Brando in “A Streetcar Named Desire” and “On the Waterfront”, actors ACTED. Prior to that, they tended to be cast based on their “look” — most notably, the good girls were blondes, the bad girls were brunettes. This even led to the term “casting against type” — From Here To Eternity is a notable example, the good girl is a brunette, the bad girl was a blonde.
The main thing is, there was a lot more acting involved in films after Brando.
The Third transition event was the MPAA.
Prior to the MPAA, all movies were made under rules referred to as The Hayes Code, which had all kinds of different limitations on what could be depicted on-screen. For example, two people could not be depicted on or in a bed unless each had one foot sitting on the floor. This even extended to actor-couples, such as Hepburn and Tracy, who were married in real life. It’s one reason why married couples depicted back then always had twin beds. You could not depict homosexuality at all, though there were euphemisms for it.
After the MPAA, you could do anything, it just affected the rating it wound up with. Much more violence was possible, as was directly frank sexual discussions including homosexuality and prostitution (e.g., Midnight Cowboy).
The funny thing here is that they trademarked all the ratings EXCEPT “X”, figuring that, anyone could reject getting rated at all by putting an X onto their film.
The newly developing porn industry quickly co-opted it and made “XXX” the standard. This unfortunately associated “X” with porn, and thus most theater chains would not even book a film with an “X” rating. So it was defacto abandoned, and, if they did not want to accept edits needed for an “R”, they then released it as “entirely unrated” (rare — many theater chains still would not book). Possibly the most critically noted not rated film was “The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover”.
They attempted to fix this later with the NC17 rating, which was same as the “X” but trademarked, and had to be “given”.
Unfortunately, most theater chains still refused to book NC17 films, so it also became rather moribund, with only one major release, a biopic about erotica author Henry Miller, titled “Henry and June”.
The final breakpoint, so far, was, oddly enough. MTV — “music television”.
With the advent of music videos, an entire generation of young viewers were fed a steady diet of fast-paced, visually rich storytelling. In concert, you had an entire generation of young “up and coming” directors taught to utilize fast-paced, visually rich storytelling, AND collectively they developed a lot of shorthands which the viewers grew familiar with.
As those young directors graduated to film, their style of fast-paced, visually rich directing came with them, and movies became the same.
This dichotomy is very evident in movies before 1980 and movies after 1990 (movies from the 80s could go either way, depending on the director’s being pre-1980 in development or after, and their flexibility in adopting the newer style).
But as a result, older movies seem much slower, much more talky and less stimulating, while newer ones are more frenetic, more “bam! bam! bam!”.
So older audiences (fewer than ever, as we are now talking people in their 60s and older today) often complain that the newer movies are all “zoom zoom zoom” and filled with explosions… While younger audiences are going, “WTF? These two have been talking for 2 minutes! Is anything ever gonna happen??”
Older audiences need to learn to “speed up” (or not, but they have to stick to old movies, which may be fine by them).
Younger audiences need to learn to be more patient with older films — or not, but they do lose out this way on being able to watch several thousand older movies which are well worth the effort.
An example of this would be the 1970s Three Musketeers/Four Musketeers — it is far and away the best filmed version of the story, BUT, it feels definitely slower than it originally did, and suffers as a result.
It would almost be interesting, in cases where there is a lot of the old footage still in archives (no idea how much unused footage is actually kept), having a young director/editor with talent go in and re-edit to a faster, more modern pacing. Yes, in some circles this is “sacrilege!” but frankly, if it makes it more accessible to modern watchers, that’s not that big a deal. You can think of it as a re-shoot of the movie, if you like.
==========
In general, this is why I say it might be “unbearable for them to watch” — not because it is not an awesome movie, but because they just haven’t been trained in their expectations to deal with the older, slower visual pace of movies.
Snow on pine: Re, the Cali Bee case. Some wag commented about it on another site:
Tjj300 — So that means bees can now be eaten on Fridays during Lent.
BWAAAAhahahhaa…
“Only if you’re in Cali, though.”
@ OBH > “they just haven’t been trained in their expectations to deal with the older, slower visual pace of movies.”
I’ve noticed this especially if you watch an old movie and a modern “remake” (or take-off).
“Ocean’s Eleven” was an especially noticeable contrast, and the one which brought my attention to the phenomenon.
IMO – a middling pace would be preferable: not so slow, not too fast.
Hi AesopGan,
Thanks for all the info on – different bands singing: “Red sails in the sunset”.
I’ll go + try to find videos of these sings.
If you like hearing folk-songs, + US songs from US history, There is the singer named, Burl Ives.
He had a singing career, + movies career, from the 1940s through the 1980s, I think.
Here’s a Wikipedia page that lists [most of, I think], the songs sung, + recorded, by Burl Ives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Burl_Ives
I just wanted to tell you about his songs, if you like those genres of songs.
Cheers.
p.s.- Sorry that I didn’t reply to you, earlier. I’ve had a busy week. 🙂
Also- Burl Ives’ songs, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer, + “Have a holly, jolly Christmas”, are still being played on USA radio stations, each year.