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Open thread 12/29/21 — 32 Comments

  1. Interesting. But would have like some info on getting the stone to the top of the Acropolis. The Greeks would have had to level the top off the mountain too.
    In 1970 when I was in the Navy I actually walked through the Parthenon, which you can’t do now. As a Historian myself (well BA/MA) I was enthralled by being able to do this. It is amazing that up until 1687 it was largely intact, with modifications done through out it’s history. If the Turks had not stored munitions in it the Parthenon would be in much better condition today. It is still magnificent to view it from Athens, as we did several years ago.

  2. The Acropolis was the site of the rulers of Athens homes and temples well before the Parthenon was built. The Persians destroyed most of what was there at the time. There was a previous Parthenon that they destroyed. The present structure was built to celebrate the defeat of Persia.

    I have a photo of my 14 year old daughter standing in front of it.

  3. Lesson for today.

    Harry Reid is dead. Born into real poverty, he raised himself up to go nose-to-nose with actual mobsters. Then he went to Washington DC and wound up a despicable weasel who willfully lied on the floor of the U.S. Senate about Mitt Romney’s taxes.

    You aren’t what you say. You aren’t what you believe. You aren’t what you want. You are what you do and if you do something repeatedly, you will become that thing.

    Mike

  4. Art Deco,

    Ron Paul had it right; in order to be a free people the Federal Reserve needs to be eliminated. Cryptocurrencies are a very interesting challenge to the Federal Reserve. It will get interesting when countries attempt to rein them in.

  5. Fascinating, and yet very frightening and depressing interview with Dr. Peter McCullough. It’s very long and I’m about half way through. Some takeaways already: this was all planned for by Johns Hopkins et al as early as 2017 with even the outline of inducing mass psychosis in order to push vaccines. I know, sounds totally nuts, but give it a listen. He also goes into the demonization of early intervention treatments by the medical establishment.

    https://rumble.com/vqt3p6-jre-1747-dr.-peter-mccullough.html

  6. John Dale Dunn, M.D. lists 15 key points made in the Dr. McCullough interview physicsguy linked above, https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/12/dr_peter_mccullough_conducts_grand_rounds_on_covid_19.html

    The 2-hour 45-minute interview had the following highlights:

    – The early wrong-headed decision to push unprecedented lockdowns, school closings and masking when the initial information on the virus did not support such mitigation
    – Coincidental failure to properly address the high-risk populations
    – Suppression of early studies by Eastern Virginia and Henry Ford Medical system advocating early treatment protocols
    – Aggressive censorship of early treatment research and advocacy and condemnation of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin on the basis of bad studies
    – Later failure to promote monoclonal antibodies that were clearly efficacious
    – Politically motivated nihilistic “consensus” that was clearly malfeasance
    – Promotion of vaccines that were “experimental” and had uneven and troubling results in studies of efficacy and safety
    – Denial of the clear and sensible truth that natural immunity was superior to the genomic experimental stimulant
    – Persecution and censorship of those who advocated more than nihilism in ambulatory treatment
    – Adoption of mass vaccination, mass testing of even asymptomatic persons, testing with tests that were unreliable in order to stir up a panic and fear
    – Persistent advocacy of masks and isolation when research results did not support the policies
    – Failure after the vaccines came out to properly assess the efficacy and risks resulting in unusual and previously never-seen rates of failure, on the efficacy side and harm and even death on the risk side
    – Persistent promotion of vaccines and then boosters as the magic bullet even after the vaccine failures were piling up
    – Refusal to pay attention to other countries’ successes with outpatient ambulatory prophylaxis and treatment protocols
    – Throughout the pandemic, widespread misuse of positive tests (case counts) as a metric rather than hospitalizations and deaths, and failure to properly report cause of deaths and age related morbidity and mortality, all unrestrained forms of panic porn promoted by government agencies and the media

  7. Rufus,

    Yep, that list pretty much nails it especially 10 through 15.

    #10 has been my main point since almost the beginning.

    Anybody who advocates for more testing either wants this to go on forever or is an idiot. I see no other possibility.

  8. In other Things that Did Not Happen Today:

    Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of notorious pension fund embezzler and Israeli Spy Robert Maxwell (Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch when he was at home) found guilty of sex trafficking minors to strategically important members of US and other countries’ elites.

    Why she’d be doing such a thing is a massive boring yawn and anyway some football coach died yesterday. Or something. Also: Ponies!

    I wonder if Epstein would have killed himself had his own father been buried on the Mount of Olives? 😀

  9. One wonders if Maxwell will begin naming names now that she’s been convicted, to bargain for a lighter sentence. I have no idea if that is possible.

  10. @Kate:

    Ask Jeffrey Epstein.

    The whole point of this charade is to narrow the terms of reference to the ‘poor little trafficked sweet lovely young maidens’ and none of this asking who or more importantly WHY.

    She’ll get a monumental dressing down by the judge, slapped in the slammer and forgotten about for a few years and then will get her sentence reduced on appeal and disappear off to the family compound in Herzliya or a hot tub in Netanya or whereverthehell.

    They can’t just whack her because she’s Family. Bad for morale.

    If she talks, all bets are off, but really don’t think it’s very likely.

  11. Physicsguy, Rufus. Much of this is laid out in Robert Kennedy’s book on Fauci. The attempts to drum up a mass hysteria by these techniques goes back to the AIDS epidemic and the false narrative that tried to paint a disease of promiscuous gay men and drug addicts as a heterosexual disease. The use of PCR to count cases was derided at the time by Kerri Mullis, who invented it. He also called Fauci a fraud who didn’t know what he was talking about.

    Since then, there have been a number of attempts to generate scares such as Ebola but they never took off. I think this one got going because of the reports about the Wuhan Lab out of China, and the government closing markets and quarantining many people. The press was then only too happy to feed the hysteria.

  12. Rufus T. Firefly: “Cryptocurrencies are a very interesting challenge to the Federal Reserve. It will get interesting when countries attempt to rein them in.”

    I understand Paul’s sentiment that the government has proven to be a terrible fiscal and monetary manager over the long haul, so moving away from a government determined form of money sounds like a good thing. But I don’t understand the rationale of how cryptocurrency(ies) will fill the gap needed for creating and maintaining a responsible and stable form of money. Right now it appears the various crypto options are rather good speculative ventures to risk a small portion of your wealth in, but you invest WITH money, not IN money. Money is only an idea or agreement to allow for non-barter exchange and a store of value or wealth. It is the lubricant of an economy that is basically exchanging wealth, but is not itself the fuel for economic transactions.

    Whatever non-governmental money that might be created, some government would have to accept it as payment for taxes and other services, rather than being allowed to maintain sovereign control over it. And just how will this computerized system of money (that is independent of governmental influence) “read” the economy, with all of its questionable data about GDP, et al., and then create and distribute, or remove from circulation, the right amount of money to maintain a stable value for said money – the main reason we feel comfortable using it in the first place. We accept the current long-term low-rate of devaluation because it is occurring slowly and not at a hyper rate. We can still invest in inflation resistant assets and do OK.

    Or what am I missing?

  13. The use of PCR to count cases was derided at the time by Kerri Mullis, who invented it. He also called Fauci a fraud who didn’t know what he was talking about.

    Paul in Boston:

    Not meaning to scold, I’m a big *Kary* Mullis fan. He was an all-American fearless eccentric scientist/freethinker that they don’t hardly make no more, much less give Nobel Prizes to.

    He died two years ago, just before Covid was taking off. Otherwise I’m sure he would be quite critical of Fauci and Covid policies.

    Mullis’s criticism of Fauci came out of Mullis’s skepticism about HIV as the cause of AIDS. Mullis had been asked to write a paper on HIV, then went looking for a paper he could cite stating that HIV caused AIDS. There was no such paper.

    At this time it seems the doctors got it right about HIV even if they didn’t have all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed. But Mullis, like I say, was fearless about going public with such criticism even at the risk of his reputation.

    His memoir, “Dancing Naked in the Mind Field,” is a delight to read and puzzling.

  14. The Dr. McCullough interview and key points as outlined in the American Thinker article answer a lot of the questions I’ve been asking during this whole clusterf**k.

    Fauci and his minions are arguably responsible fora lot of unnecessary deaths. Is it a crime to be too arrogant, narrow-minded, and ill-informed to manage a medical bureaucracy? Maybe not, but it is certainly negligent manslaughter, IMO. These people must be replaced. Surely Dr. McCullough would do a better job than Fauci.

    This reminds me a lot of the so-called climate crisis. Greedy, narrow-minded, ideologues try to use their position of “scientific” authority to panic the population into following their prescriptions. Prescriptions that will lead to more control of the people by the government.

  15. My son sent me the Dr. McCullough link 2 weeks ago. We listened to the interview during our 8 hour drive home from San Francisco. Never heard Joe Rogan before. He did a great interview, as when he inquired how the monoclonal antibodies are derived. It was highly enlightening.

  16. @Xylourgous:

    Only if by doing so I can blame it on the You-know-who’s *and* confound and confuse Om the same time.

    No… Seriously… I’ll have a dig in a moment.

    @AssembledFans:

    What I really came here to post about this time were these cheery little Australian Covid Graphs:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    Cat’s well and truly out of the bag now. So does that mean that everyone can have their stolen civil liberties back? How much can a Koala Bear?

    FWIW, one for the China Fans. Xi’an — no small city, home of the Terra-cotta Warriors, still possessed of its old city walls, and (as Chang’an) once-upon-a-type fabled capital of the Tang and scene of much poetasting by Li Bai has been locked down for 8 days now.

  17. Well, there’s this slightly gimmicky survey of Ancient Greece and the ‘hood. (The advantage is that it’s only 17-and-a-half minutes long…. OTOH, there’s no real guarantee of accuracy, even if the accent sounds authoritative…)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFRxmi4uCGo

    (Might appeal to the contrarians amongst us…)

  18. @Xylourgos:

    I’ve dug around and it’s a nope. Maybe the Getty is more litigious than most or maybe not that much interest in Classical Antiquity amongst those demographics most likely to be pirating journals and monographs. It’s not available on Sci-hub which is the go to place if you don’t like paying through the nose for research papers.

    I did find this:

    https://files.mediadata.website/from-pentelicon-to-the-parthenon-the-ancient-quarries-and-the.pdf

    The introduction snippet for to Stones of the Parthenon in Google Books mentions this other work by Korres. It’s available on the above sketchy-looking file-sharing website. I don’t recommend registering there and downloading it.

    Perhaps some other cunning sleuths will have more luck!

  19. I did find this paper:

    XXI International CIPA Symposium, 01-06 October 2007, Athens, Greece
    Parthenon Restoration Project — N. Toganidis
    https://www.isprs.org/proceedings/XXXVI/5-C53/papers/FP139.pdf

    It was news to me that the Acropolis was seriously damaged during the Sack of Athens by the Heruli in 267AD.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Athens_(267_AD)

    Weird, because I had already considered myself to be a double plus super maximum expert on the Heruli though, having read about them in at least one and perhaps two Harry Sidebottom novels. Clearly this Sidebottom fellow needs to up his game!

  20. Thanks for your efforts Zaphod. I have the book. It is worth taking a look if you can obtain. I was not aware of those Germanic Herulis. The Greeks and Germans have had a rocky relationship for quite a while. The construction of the Parthenon in 9 years is remarkable in light of the current reconstruction work that has been underway since the 1980’s. Like the unfinished Thessaloniki Metro, it is the work for a lifetime.

  21. And Z has nothing he can day about Xi’s actions in 2021 in Hong Kong? See a linked article from the AP in this morning’s Powerline blog.

    Terracotta soldiers didn’t do that, brainiac. Or the Jews or the blacks. What a tool.

  22. And Z has nothing he can say about Xi’s actions in 2021 in Hong Kong? See a linked article from the AP in this morning’s Powerline blog.

    Terracotta soldiers didn’t do that, brainiac. Or the Jews or the blacks. What a tool.

  23. Ron Paul had it right; in order to be a free people the Federal Reserve needs to be eliminated. Cryptocurrencies are a very interesting challenge to the Federal Reserve. It will get interesting when countries attempt to rein them in.

    Ron Paul is a lapsed obstetrician who subscribes to a number of crank schools of thought. An affection for goldbugger monetary theory and retro-isolationist historiography on the 2d World War among them.

    We have no need of gold or of schemes which attempt to mimic the gold standard, like the ‘currency board’. We are not oppressed by the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve Board has a short menu of functions, two of them exercised on a mundane basis, the rest in case of emergency. Their most consequential function is to see to it that the growth of monetary aggregates does not constrain the growth of production and does not generate inflation. They injure the public (they do not oppress them) when they fail in these functions. They’ve been failing over the last year. They failed consistently over the period running from 1966 to 1981.

  24. Jj, now you understand my reaction to you saying all we need to do is write letters to congress people to fix things ala 2015 circa era.

    I can feel the emotions in you. Follow them for they will lead you to a new vision of truth.

    Old humanity is over.

    Art deco s view of the fed reserve which is not fed nor reserve is much akin to 2015 view of who and cdc. They are harmless… until i reveal them.

  25. Neoneo, you might want to think about banning a lot of these conspiracy theoties rufus and co talk about. Just like you banned flat earth theory. This will solve the crisis…. heh

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