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  1. “May you always do for others
    And let others do for you”

    Forever young isn’t possible, and I don’t think I want to live forever, at least not in this current body. From watching others, not too much older than I am, I think that accepting help is one of the hardest things to do.

  2. neo: Given that Brian Lovely was addressing me in response to my mention of Alphaville’s “Forever Young,” my guess is he was talking about Alphaville’s song, not Bob Dylan’s, though the latter effort from the Bard of Hibbing is indeed worthy of discussion.

    The Alphaville song gives me the shivers for the time it represented and the deep human yearning for life eternal and the terrifying possibility death may be quite near at hand.
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    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever?
    Forever, and ever

    –Alphaville, “Forever Young”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1TcDHrkQYg

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    The video is an iconic 80s big-hair sci-fi flick with about as much fun and awe as could be packed into 3 1/2 minutes of MTV.

    But hey, Bob and Ted’s excellent adventures are entirely cool too! Carry on.

  3. huxley:

    Ooops! I didn’t see the context and I made the wrong connection. I’ll fix it.

  4. And Rod Stewart had a hit called ‘Forever Young’ that according to wikipedia he sent to Dylan to ask if it was too close to his version and they agreed to share credit.

    I remember the Alphaville version but it is the Rod Stewart ‘Forever Young’ that I remember the most.

    Shows the universality of the them that there are three (or at least two and a half) songs with the same name.

  5. Griffin: Art is not math. It got you there and it gave the words, um, topical resonance.

  6. We don’t want to live forever.

    We just don’t want to die until WE are ready to do so…

    😉

  7. Griffin: Yeah, Stewart’s version is the one that pops into my head. I don’t think I even knew Dylan wrote one…. I’ve probably heard Alphaville’s version but cannot recall it.

    }}} And ‘Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure’ was not art.

    B&TEA was a MASTERPIECE of comic art. 😉

  8. Yesterday evening the YouTube Algorithm planted a suggestion. Over the past few weeks it’s thrown up a few clips from Barry Lyndon which I’ve clicked on for old times’ sakes — probably because Google knows I have a thing for Prussian marches (no, no, not the Badenweiler :P) and the kind of bonkers optics Kubrick used to film the candlelit scenes in that movie. But who knows? The Ways of the Algo are Inscrutable.

    So yesterday, up pops Sergei Bondarchuk’s 1967 War and Peace. Not clips, the whole nine yards. Not pirated. Straight out of Mosfilm’s successor company and in HD. Suffice to say got less sleep than I should have gotten last night.

    I haven’t watched all of it yet, Just Part 1 and the beginning of Part 2. Then it was off to download the old reliable Maude translation to my Kindle and get started on that. My old copy from another life and younger me has been in storage in another country for a long time now.

    The novel is not the same river now, although cannot remember whether this will be my second or third reading. All the usual observations about returning to a work of art later in life apply.

    But the film! I’d never seen it, never had even much awareness that it existed. Silent upon a Peak in Darien and all that. There is something to be said, too, for all too late discoveries.

  9. Griffin: To flail the deceased quadruped… I said,

    Bob and Ted’s excellent adventures

    which is not the title nor the film with which you are concerned. The first names are different, likewise the concluding cardinality.

    What I wrote was an allusive flourish and that is what I call art, however slight of stature.

  10. Zaphod:

    I might be about to impress you 🙂 .

    I saw that 2-part “War and Peace” not long after it first came out, in an “art” movie theater. Both parts. I can’t remember if it was 2 days in succession, or all at once with a long intermission.

    I also remember that they made an error and started by showing us Part 2 first. It took about 10 minutes for them to figure it out and start again with Part 1. But we were very bewildered for those first 10 minutes.

    The scene I remember best was the soldiers standing upright on the hill. And Andrei gazing at the sky.

  11. The discussion works for either, I guess.

    neo: Not for me. Dylan’s song is a pleasant catalog of blessings from an elder. Alphaville’s, if you take the trip, is a somewhat terrifying encounter with one’s mortality right now plus the desperate yearning one has to be “forever young.”

    The 80s context was fear of nuclear war and, I believe, the AIDS pandemic.
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    Let’s dance in style, let’s dance for a while
    Heaven can wait we’re only watching the skies
    Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst
    Are you gonna drop the bomb or not?

    Let us die young or let us live forever
    We don’t have the power, but we never say never
    Sitting in a sandpit, life is a short trip
    The music’s for the sad man

    Can you imagine when this race is won?
    Turn our golden the faces into the sun
    Praising our leaders, we’re getting in tune
    The music’s played by the madman

    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever?
    Forever, and ever

    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever?
    Forever young

    Some are like water, some are like the heat
    Some are a melody and some are the beat
    Sooner or later they all will be gone
    Why don’t they stay young?

    It’s so hard to get old without a cause
    I don’t want to perish like a fading horse
    Youth’s like diamonds in the sun
    And diamonds are forever

    So many adventures given up today
    So many songs we forgot to play
    So many dreams swinging out of the blue
    Oh let it come true

    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever
    Forever, and ever?

    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever
    Forever, and ever?

    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever
    Forever young

    –Alphaville, “Forever Young”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1TcDHrkQYg

  12. Forever young, because they did not live forever.

    “They Shall Not Grow Old”
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7905466/

    A documentary about World War I with never-before-seen footage to commemorate the centennial of the end of the war.

    I think we discussed this last year sometime.
    We went to see it and are very glad we made it before the theaters all closed. Melancholy and yet not depressing.

  13. A couple years ago I checked out a DVD of “War and Peace” from the library — not sure which one — then discovered it was in Russian without subtitles. I figured my 50 years-stale college Russian wasn’t anywhere up to the task and returned it.

    When I read Tolstoy, I found the Rosemary Edmonds’ translations for Penguin turned the trick. I couldn’t get anywhere with the standard, old,Constance Garnett versions. Turns out Garnett worked fast and furiously, more for quantity — 70 Russian volumes — than quality. Nabokov despised her translations.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/11/07/the-translation-wars

    There are newer translations, which some say are better. Maybe, someday.

  14. Back in the 80s I read up on the Life Extension movement, in which some maverick scientists were serious about extending human life and bringing tips to the masses. Particularly Durk Pearce and Sandy Shaw, in their book, “Life Extension.” They were pretty radical in their recommendations.

    Durk and Sandy now have a profitable business selling supplements. But I haven’t seen current photos of them in decades. There were rumors their self-experimentation hadn’t worked out and turned them orange or something.

    Be that as it may. One of their clients in the 1980s, referred to as Mr. S, was none other than Clint Eastwood. Clint is 90, looking pretty decent for his age, and still turning out quality films. I wonder if he wasn’t doing something right back then.

  15. Anyway. Back in my Durk and Sandy days I would ask people if they would like to live much longer. To my surprise many said no, and not even if they could keep their health. They just didn’t want to stay alive much past their three-score-and-ten.

    To me this was hard to understand and still is. God, how I would love to have a few more decades, much less a few more centuries, to learn languages, musical instruments, how to paint, and create, plus a lot of STEM stuff. Not to mention just enjoy it all.
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    Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in a while you could miss it.

    –“Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” (1986)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbR7axof1wk

  16. Neo,

    Yep, I was talking about the Alphaville song from 1985.

    Which, not coincidentally, was the year I turned down my parents’ offer of a semester in Europe, because that was when the Soviets were getting so psychotic I was worried they would start World War 3 while I was over there.

    The Alphaville song gives me the shivers for the time it represented and the deep human yearning for life eternal and the terrifying possibility death may be quite near at hand.

    Exactly. Shivers. And tears.

  17. huxley —

    Old Jay Leno joke:

    “Doctors say new treatments can give people more years in their 80s. That’s no good. What people want is more years in their 20s!

  18. Which, not coincidentally, was the year I turned down my parents’ offer of a semester in Europe, because that was when the Soviets were getting so psychotic I was worried they would start World War 3 while I was over there.

    Brian Lovely: I remember that time. The fear of WW III was what drove me back into the left. I watched the demonstrations in Europe on TV and saw the tensions between US and USSR escalating, so I joined the Nuclear Freeze and became an activist.

    I attended a big march in San Francisco and a wiry, young Asian woman from the Revolutionary Communist Party was running up and down the column of protesters, screaming at us, “You think your leaders are going to save you? They aren’t. You’re like those people in ‘They Day After’!” referring to that TV movie about nuclear war which had aired in November, 1983.

    “The Day After” had huge ratings. A lot of people were worried back then. I wonder how many remember today.

  19. I remember very well. I had recurring dreams about imminent holocaust, scrambling to pack up useful things and trying to think of someone to run to. Finally it became clear to me it was just a way of processing the fear of the collapse of my emotional world, a hangover from a catastrophic early loss, and they stopped.

    I was stunned when the USSR collapsed. It made me begin to rethink Reagan.

  20. Growing up in Anchorage, with a USAF base, an Army base, a major airport, and a rail/port connection, I knew we were going to get three warheads at least. I remember looking out the living room window as a 13-year-old in 1978 wondering if I would be able to see the missiles coming in, or if the explosions would be a surprise.

    One of my best friends was the son of Latvian refugees. I wept when the wall came down, and again when the Baltic states were freed from the USSR. The thought of giving in to the Soviets never crossed my mind.

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