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  1. My gray hair is long, but not all older ladies have enough hair for the look, frankly. I have a lot of friends who have gone with short hair, and they look great. This lady does, too!

  2. Her hair is an adequate length to begin with. She needs to have it properly trimmed and combed and she really needs to wash it every once in a while.

  3. She looks wonderful in the “after” photo, and she looks happy about herself. That’s the point of the exercise.

  4. I agree with Art Deco. She had a beautiful hair, it’s really a pity she cut it.

    From a male perspective, using the make-up to try to look like a young woman is a big mistake. It creates some kind of uncanny valley. That doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t use make up, but with the purpose of looking healthier.

    Long hair is beautiful in an old lady, provided you puts some care into it. The skin definitely benefits from makeup. However, avoid bright red lipstick. Red lipstick simulates sexual arousal, and that feels extremely weird once you reach some age. The eyes clearly need some make up too, but I think she overdid the eyeliner.

    As an example, I think this is the right way to go:
    https://www.fashionlady.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Older-Women-Makeup.jpg

    Beautiful and elegant without being sexualized.

  5. This makeover is wonderful. Just a slight change and she sparkled right up.

    Btw, She’s wearing a dignified mauve lipstick, not bright red. It’s also called “my lips but better.” Some of women can’t wear a pale “nude” lip, it makes them look like they’re about to keel over from blood loss.

  6. Whatever the name, it looks too reddish. She looks like a lady in her 60s saying ‘hey, I just divorced and I’m ready to have some fun wink wink‘. Unless you’re dating in Tinder and wanna have some fun, this is not the looks you want. You wanna look attractive, but you don’t wanna look like you’re trying too hard to to look attractive. Once in your 60s, you wanna look beautiful, not sexual.

    Being subtle is the key. There’s a general rule when it comes to attractiveness, both in men and women: if it’s too obvious that you’re trying hard, then you’re doing it wrong.

  7. Make up is permissible to cover blemishes, mostly teenage acne, which is not this woman’s problem. Otherwise, it’s bad.

    A woman always needs to look presentable when she’s not at home. You allow some economy for exercise, but that’s all. However, you get past child-bearing age, you leave it at presentable and forget about attractive. For men who work physical jobs, what they wear at work is strictly utilitarian. These are St. Joseph’s clothes. Bar in exigencies where they just do not have time to change, St. Joseph’s clothes are for work, home, or commuting in between. Other times, they need to be presentable. Men should never seek to be attractive. A man may be attractive, but it’s bad form to seek to be attractive. Metrosexuals delenda est.

    (What is presentable is dependent on circumstance, of course; unless you’re on a tractor or playing baseball or doing landscaping work, baseball caps are not presentable. Bills on backward are never presentable).

  8. Btw, She’s wearing a dignified mauve lipstick, not bright red.

    She shouldn’t be wearing any lipstick.

  9. Now, wait just a cotton-pickin’ minute. It seems like some gentlemen here don’t think that a woman of, or over, a “certain age” have no business being or looking sexual. I guarantee that there are plenty of men of, or over, a “certain age” that enjoy older women being and looking sexual.

  10. She looked just fine in the first pic and absolutely fabulous at the end. Great video. Thank you!

  11. I guarantee that there are plenty of men of, or over, a “certain age” that enjoy older women being and looking sexual.

    Goal downsizing will help them adjust to disappointment.

  12. Art Deco, where do you get off telling women what they “should” and “shouldn’t” do and what is “permissible”? What makes you an authority on what is “presentable” and when we “need to be presentable”? And why are you imagining this person is “not satisfied with her life”? She wanted a new look. That’s all we know. Your comments are so condescending it is an embarrassment.

    Yann, maybe she is on Tinder, what’s it to you?

  13. I will agree with the guys, and say that this lady looked better before. She has a very strong, but not conventionally pretty face, and her hair softened it. She looked interesting — in need, perhaps, of a slight touch of color. The amount of makeup the “Makeover Guy” puts on is suitable perhaps for media people, politicians, or realtors, not real people.

    An odd thing I read as a young person is that makeup should alternate by decade: less in one’s 20s, more in the 30s, less in the 40s, more in the 50s, less in the 60s, more in the 70s, less in the 80s. Can we see that?

  14. Makeup used in these videos may be excessive in order to be visible via the camera lens. It suggests the type of makeup used and how to apply it. Each client can use the amount she feels is needed for her daily life or for special occasions. There is an art to using makeup correctly or appropriately, I will admit, but it seems to me that, through these makeovers, Christopher has shown women of all ages that they can look better, if to no one else, at least to themselves.

  15. Art Deco, where do you get off telling women what they “should” and “shouldn’t” do and what is “permissible”? What makes you an authority on what is “presentable” and when we “need to be presentable”?

    I’ve been around women who could show you how it’s done, in matters aesthetic, social, and moral. You recognize elegance when you’ve had the good fortune to see it. Of course, I’m a fat slob myself, but I can appreciate what is unlike me.

    And why are you imagining this person is “not satisfied with her life”? She wanted a new look. That’s all we know. Your comments are so condescending it is an embarrassment.

    The poster who said “and she looks happy about herself. That’s the point of the exercise.” uses the handle ‘Kate’ (and who, if I’m not mistaken, is a community college professor from Lake County, Ohio). My response was to a hypothetical derived from that.

    I’ll cop to ‘critical’, ‘reproving’, ‘blunt’, ‘acidulous’, even ‘obnoxious’. ‘Condescending’ I am not. And, no, you’re not ’embarrassed’, you’re irritated.

  16. There is an art to using makeup correctly or appropriately

    That art is for theatre employees who work on stage performers. As for everyone else, the lie Mies van der Rohe told about architecture is what’s true about grooming: Less Is More. For everyone.

  17. It seems like some gentlemen here don’t think that a woman of, or over, a “certain age” have no business being or looking sexual.

    A woman of “certain age” is free to wear what she wants. Not everything will make her look equally attractive, though. And the point of wearing make up is to have a more attractive look, isn’t it? Wearing make-up while dismissing whether it makes you attractive is like wearing an umbrella while dismissing whether it stops the rain because you’re a modern independent umbrella-wearer who can wear an empowered umbrella full of holes.

    The problem with flashy make-up after you reach “certain age” is the same than the traditional problem with plastic surgery: the moment you overdo, even slightly, it makes you look extremely weird. A wise woman will keep a safety margin in both cases.

  18. An odd thing I read as a young person is that makeup should alternate by decade: less in one’s 20s, more in the 30s, less in the 40s, more in the 50s, less in the 60s, more in the 70s, less in the 80s. Can we see that?

    Interesting quote. It seems sensible.

  19. I’m on the side of the leaky umbrella if it makes you happy. Case in point – Dolly Parton. Too much hair, make up and boobs at any age. She knows it and she loves it. And she looks fabulous.

  20. And she looks fabulous.

    She’s always looked gruesome. June Carter Cash looked satisfactory. She limited her cheating to hair dye.

  21. Dolly Parton, right now, she looks anything but fabulous. She looks more like she escaped from a freak show.

  22. So it goes, from appearance to sexual morality. Book, cover, you be the judge. That always works. ;0

  23. Book, cover, you be the judge. That always works. ;0

    Mortimer Adler pointed out that the cover is what the publisher wants you to see…first.

  24. Statistics prove that outward appearances are predictive of character and morality, or not? You can judge a book by it’s cover after all and you may be surprised what’s inside. Go ahead and follow Mortimer.

    And it starts again, telling other people what they are or are not. Dunning-Kreuger

  25. Ordinary people, not just theatre employees, can and do, by the millions, use makeup with discretion. We also recognize that you are putting Ms Parton into it to conflate your position that older women shouldn’t wear anything more than a demure, neutral lipstick (by the way, Revlon makes a lipstick called “Demure” and I use it sometimes). I wear pink, coral, cherry red, plum, natural colored lipsticks as my mood, clothing, and occasion dictate.

    Let’s agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that there’s no accounting for taste. OK?

  26. Let’s agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that there’s no accounting for taste. OK?

    You mean aesthetics is not a difficult subject, but a nonsense one?

  27. Let’s agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that there’s no accounting for taste. OK?

    Nope. Because it’s not a matter a beauty. I’ll try to explain.

    For a male, to see some old lady wearing that kind of flashing sexy make up, Dolly Parton style, it feels more or less like for a female to see this:
    https://us-east-1.linodeobjects.com/gunaxin/2015/06/fat-guy-speedo-e1435635369562-560×320.jpg

    The problem here is not that the guy in the picture is fat. The problem is not even that little speedo. The problem is the context.

    In a gym pool he wouldn’t look weird. You don’t look particularly elegant when you start training in a gym, but nobody cares, you’re there to train, not to show off. Neither he would look weird if he was in a nudist beach and he was completely naked, because you’re not in a nudist beach to show off (or you shouldn’t, at least). The problem is that he’s wearing that little speedo in a beach.

    Your appearance sends different messages depending on the context. If you’re meeting some female friends in your home, then the message would be ‘don’t we look fabulous with this make-up?‘. But the moment you move, the context changes. If you’re naked in a nudist beach, you’re sending a message. If you start to walk and reach the part of the beach which isn’t nudist, wearing exactly the same, then you’re sending a completely different message. You have to be careful with what you’re wearing, and in which context you’re wearing it.

  28. The poster who said “and she looks happy about herself. That’s the point of the exercise.” uses the handle ‘Kate’ (and who, if I’m not mistaken, is a community college professor from Lake County, Ohio).

    You are entirely mistaken.

  29. On Facebook fashion ads for high end women’s clothes seem to all be modeled by males presenting as females, provocatively posed, wearing makeup and dour expressions. So, gentlemen, get your lipstick on.

  30. To properly evaluate the haircut we need a version of this where someone similar to this woman gets her hair styled in a longer fashion.

    Much of the improvement is due just to the makeup. But I don’t like the way the haircut now emphasizes the shape of her jaw line and neck.

  31. A lot of the comments here made me remember an interview I read about 50 years ago with a preeminent Brazilian plastic surgeon who also considered himself an authority on beauty – having an extensive art collection. He was asked if it was rewarding to make women beautiful. Emphatically no, he said. He never made women beautiful. His job was to make women ordinary. Women (and men) came to him because they wanted to look like everyone else. If they thought that their nose, chin, ears diverged from the norm – that’s what they wanted changed. Sad really. An interesting site to look at is Advanced Style. People over 50, mostly women photographed (originally) on the streets of NY – later all over the world. Quite a meditation on style and beauty.

  32. Om: If Art Deco says so, obviously I am hallucinating, or living in an alternate universe where Ohio looks like North Carolina.

    Esther: I am glad I don’t do Facebook, so I don’t have to see those ads.

  33. “You are entirely mistaken.”

    Don’t sweat it, Kate, I’m sure AD will graciously acknowledge his error /

  34. Kate, agreed, but I relented on Facebook because it is a great resource for being able to keep up with what’s happening in my town.

  35. Eva Marie on April 25, 2020 at 3:20 pm said:
    …He never made women beautiful. His job was to make women ordinary. Women (and men) came to him because they wanted to look like everyone else.
    * * *
    That reminded me of something I read in the past, which was probably NOT this Quora post, but it carries the gist of the information. The picture gallery is particularly interesting, as it shows there are objective reasons why we recognize certain facial types as being typical of one country rather than another, even on the same continent.

    https://www.quora.com/What-would-people-define-as-beauty-average-and-below-average?share=1

    So yeah, that is the definition of average beauty, and what constitutes below average. Take the mean of all people in a given culture and average out their features against one another, and that is your baseline standard for what’s beautiful. Deviation from such will be typically viewed as below average.

    This is also why you will tend to see many actors and actresses who look fairly similar in appearance to one another, body types being significantly overrepresented in various forms of media like movies, video games and so on. Even if it’s very rare to actually have the “average” features, they’re still consistently considered to be attractive, and if you’re going to deviate from such when drawing a picture or creating a 3D model, you’re going to typically maintain those ratios described a few moments ago.

  36. As for makeovers: I would like to see the artist put the same make-up on the person BEFORE changing the hair-style, and also show the bare face with the new style, to separate what each factor contributes to the final result.

    Based on personal observation of the best-groomed women of my acquaintance, it takes a conscious effort not to “let it all hang out” — whatever type of hair style and face-paint they choose, once they get something that “works,” they keep it up.

    My mileage, which may vary from some, is that most of the women getting the make-overs will neither maintain the make-up regimen rigorously, nor keep their hair as styled; if they had that much discipline, they would not be in the condition they were in to start with.
    (Think of weight-loss miracles and hoarder interventions; they often end up right back where they started if there is not substantial behavioral training along with the TV program — and there is not.)

  37. I would like to see a before and after feature on Nancy Pelosi, she of the sky high eyebrows. She seems to have used this time of self isolation to get her face redone. Botox injections, cheek implants, laser peels, etc. – all of which has left her facial and neck skin very tight and very shiny. She turned 80 in March and she certainly looks interesting for her age.

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