they are doing what i said they could always do… ie. everything they do is fake, and pretending to be less communist is a fakery… they could roll things back to the old days in one afternoon… THAT is the power of the communist state… just the same with russia.
should i let gorbachev tell you? or would you like to read a few speeches from china? anywhere else?
i mentioned this stuff a long while back as it was coming up
not a thing you can do, we HAVE to have a war over some things coming up… no way around it now… we failed to act… and thats taht.
now… did any one get that thing i told about the purple horse… well in chinese politics it wasnt a horse but a deer, but hey? whether its me, or someone i mention, they are not stranger enough to be heard like others covered … (and thats normal today. since when does someone listen to the family that cares for them and not the strangers that provide excuse?)
besides.
its behind pay wall..
no one can read it
but you shoud have checked out the stuff leading up to this over the past 5 years or so… we missed it all, never talked about… seriously…
on another note..
when wondering about obama and his russian spies
and clinton, and her stuff, and how the game works.
you ever answer “Who Are Nellie and Bruce Ohr?”
nah… not until some distant journalist wakes up and writes it… i will wait for that… otherwise the opportunity to discuss the point will go by
but note.. if your missing the last 5 years or so of chinese comnunist politics in detail, all your going to do is bs withotu inforamtion and give opinions and not get anywhere.
heck, being suprised commnunists are communists is the first clue…then being surprised that they dont change, and that they can change what they are (Which is a lie) to whatever they want to be… limits are only for the truth tovarish.
you not been paying attention to the great game from arab spring, to the election, the potential destructioun of nato..
heck.. i even told you why russia wanted the nuclear material it got.. and that was before anyone knew it could get it!!!!!!!!!!!
and then you wrote about why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you dont remember cause that was 13 years ago
but you alreadydiscussed why the nuclear material was sold… you just forgot yourself.
Friday, April 15, 2005
Deterrence: thinking about the unthinkable
The second idea is to make it easier to trace nuclear weaponry to its source throught the use of nuclear “fingerprints,” enhancing the capacity to retaliate against states (who are theoretically, at least, more deterrable) who might try to give nuclear arms to terrorists.
now they have all the fingerprints they can mimic as they want..
but if you werent indending to set off a nuke and blame someone else, you would never need that..
this is too funny…
kind of late to the party (very late)…
What Will China Do?
It is not easy to understand China’s inner nature, especially since China is ruled by a secretive Communist Party that no longer openly insists on Communist ideas. Yet, the Communist Party remains in control — a point often missed by businessmen who travel to China. As Richard McGregor points out in his book on The Secret World of China’s Communist Rulers, there are hidden party structures that ultimately determine China’s economic life, China’s foreign policy, China’s military buildup and, by extension, China’s global impact. China is a major economic player with a vital role to play.
Typically we think of Communism as incompatible with capitalism. Yet, Communism has always made use of capitalist methods.
The official Communist retreat into “state capitalism” actual began in 1922 in the Soviet Union of Vladimir Lenin. It was called the New Economic Policy under which the Soviet economy was originally consolidated by virtue of capitalist experimentation.
After the death of Mao, China’s Deng Xiaoping proved to be a student of Lenin. He brought the New Economic Policy to China, enlarging Lenin’s program into a more comprehensive system for building Communism through capitalism.
And as Lenin’s New Economic Policy was part economic liberalism and part deception, so is Comrade Deng’s “socialist Market economy.”
In Communist history the retreat into capitalism has always signified a deceptive compromise.
Deng never downgraded the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. What he opposed was the stupid economic policies of arrogant functionaries who had no idea how to build a productive economy.
As Deng famously said in 1961, “I don’t care if it’s a white cat or a black cat. It’s a good cat as long as it catches mice.”
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
The fact that Communism doesn’t work was understood from the beginning. On 27 March 1922, in his Political Report to the Eleventh Party Congress, Lenin explained that Communists were good revolutionaries and not good businessmen.
Therefore, Communists needed to learn business from the capitalists by returning (for as long as needed) to a familiar capitalist type of economy.
“Do not put on airs, do not be conceited,” he warned his comrades, “because you are a Communist while there is some nonparty salesman … who can do things economically … that you cannot. If you … realize this, you will attain your object, because this is something that can be learned.”
if ya want to know tons more, let me know
otherwise… lets here the made up stuff and opinions masquerading as a new history in the absence of any old unknown one
this was always known..
been trying to tell you for years
just as their mask came off and cost them the election
now their mask is coming off…
they have 30 million war aged men with no wives (one child policy)
they have new nukes, new weapons, new electronics..
they have drone army weapons… (imagine 500 small drones each armed with plastic explosives… all flown by people. as soon as one goes down, another takes off and goes in… they can now manufacture them… by the millions… )
tons of stuff
and if you look back
i kept mentioning pay attention or your going to miss the details your going to want to know later post event when your trying to figure out what everyone missed.
i know. i know
dont tell you
more fun to guess.
but note.. the great war is coming again
and the nazis will be defeated by the russ and chinese who will get rid of what?
and it will not start head to head.. but its already close
russia is trying out new nuclear hardened materials
ours is compromised electronically!!
or did you forget the north sea test?
oh and dont forget all those bear bomber runs to alaska, uk, and at everyone till they are desensitized,.. and wont react
Because China follows Lenin’s dictum, foreigners are easily confused as to China’s real “object.” China is both Communist and capitalist, and this is confusing. We would prefer to see one face or the other, but there are two faces. “China combines the worst of socialism with the worst of capitalism,” wrote Guy Sorman in The Empire of Lies. This statement may be truer than any other written by a foreign observer. China has seen 26 dynasties come and go, and if the Communist Party falls it won’t be bloodless. Millions of Chinese Communists have reason to fear for the future; and economic breakdown is the thing they fear the most.
by the way, the changer book i wanted you to read out of so many, was about a changer who worked on china and japan stuff…
yes, this goes THAT far back, you could have read and learned a lot from that stuff… oh well..
Freda Utley…
i would wonder what and by how most would know about china if they cant even get the more scrutable russia right? \
What’s that old saw about “power corrupts…”?
China = Exhibit A.
This will not end well.
This article makes frequent reference to the separation of party and government. How can such separation exist in a single party system? Can a person serve in a government position and not be a member of the party? It doesn’t seem possible. Such a person would have to be appointed by a member of the party who was elected and would serve at the whim of elected party members.
We made a mistake 30 years ago in believing that freeing the economy of China would also result in freeing its politics. While at the time I disagreed with him, it appears that lefty columnist Alexander Cockburn was correct in his prediction in the mid ’80s or so- some years into freeing agriculture but before the big export boom.
Cockburn wrote that China was turning from communist to fascist. A bigger economy, but still with a hyper-controlling government. No, you no longer have the loudspeakers on every corner, but the government knows everything you do online.
China harbors great resentment toward the West. Far more than does for instance India and, that resentment sprang from having their cultural superiority complex confronted by the reality of having been surpassed in every field by a once barbarian West. Superiority complexes engender arrogance. Extreme humiliation results when pretentious arrogance is exposed and that creates hateful resentment.
Jordan Peterson posits that hate + resentment + arrogance = the manifestation of evil.
If China should ever replace America as the sole superpower, it will rule the world with self-justified cruelty.
China is a huge problem. So many people! So little in the way of resources to feed, house, and clothe them all. They must, of necessity, grasp at every economic opportunity. When we visited there a few years back, my wife was amazed because she saw so few birds. (She is a birder.) The Chinese eat anything and everything. Apparently they eat the birds or kill them to keep them out of their crops.
The people are very enterprising. It snowed in Beijing the night we arrived. The next morning as we were leaving to visit the Great Wall, there were vendors outside the hotel hawking warm hats, gloves, and scarves. The street salesmen with watches pinned to their coat linings were ubiquitous in the tourist areas. I got the feeling that a free market economy in China would be a real winner. Instead, it’s a command economy and they try to use aggressive over production tactics to drive competition out of the market – as in steel and aluminum. Very underhanded and devious.
Going through airport security there was an experience. They were very gruff, rough, and invasive. They seemed to take delight in pushing the Yankee devil around a bit. I was steamed after each encounter. But I endured with clenched jaw, knowing protest would get me no where.
Just immersing yourself in the vehicle traffic around Beijing or mingling in crowds gave me the feeling of being in an overwhelming, unorganized, teeming mass of humanity. Quite different from anywhere I have ever been. I imagine the Communists feel a fear of losing control of this vast mass of humanity.
We traveled by ship down river from Shanghai to the Yellow Sea. The riverbanks were lined with plants belching coal smoke and discharging foul looking liquids into the river. A level of pollution that I didn’t believe existed anywhere anymore. With our environmental regulations, is it any wonder our basic industries find it hard to compete?
I would hope that China would become less worldly ambitious and more interested in becoming a free market that is raising the standard of living for more of its people. What I saw on my visit indicates that isn’t likely.
Maybe our China expat could add some thoughts to the discussion.
Geoffrey Britain Says:
March 6th, 2018 at 10:33 pm
If China should ever replace America as the sole superpower, it will rule the world with self-justified cruelty.
* * *
Replace “China” with any non-Anglo-Saxon (aka ex-British-Empire) country and you would still be correct.
The way the Anglos are going now, you will soon be able to add them to the list.
See Mark Steyn especially on the rise of fascist political-correctness in Canada and Oz, but it’s happening here as well.
God help the world if the Social Justice Warriors get control of the government again and decide they need to project some more of the “leading from behind” and R2P diplomacy that we just lived through.
This is pretty much what Communist dictators do. Take over, make up things as they go, perpetuate their power. Sounds similar to what Chairman O tried to do, until the smartest woman in the world could not win a rigged election.
Doug,
You can be a government official and not a Party official. Think of government officials as civil servants. Even ministers sometimes aren’t party members. This has only happened for science and technology. Technically, the CPC governs in a United Front. There are 8 parties that accept the CPC’s leadership.
Every town or city has a mayor but also a Party Secretary. Most members of government at the lower levels are party members. I’d say it’s around 70%. At the higher levels, it’s more like 90%.
Also, under current law, party members can’t be arrested by normal police or tried by normal courts. If the police and courts want to tango with a party member, they first have to vet it with the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection.
Xi doing this isn’t much of a shock. As soon as he came to power, he started going after people that could challenge his authority. He was sent down to the countryside by Mao. He understands the relationship between political power and violence.
GB is right about China’s nationalism requiring foreign enemies. Although I would differ in that China’s greatest national enemy is still Japan and Taiwan. India and the West are handled with a kind of “attack, retreat” strategy, like Russia did in the Cold War with Cuba.
Press them as much as you can, then retreat hoping to get concessions out of it. They got a lot out of that during President Hussein’s reign of power.
There are open source analysts on Chinese foreign policy. You can get English translated scripts of chinese language programs, the state controlled CCP whatever. It’s like China’s version of the Jesuits, producing world wide propaganda for anyone that wants to utilize the language.
I also find useful the various primary sources of Westerners in China who tour the country and put their videos of road bike trips online, funded by Patreon.
All of this gives us a completely different view than what the District of Columbia tells us.
Sounds similar to what Chairman O tried to do, until the smartest woman in the world could not win a rigged election.
People told us that those of us that said the elections were rigged under HRC or Demoncrats, were crazy and making stuff out of thin air.
Who were the crazy ones, the Normal Americans or the abnormal ones?
China oligarchs adopting a Buddhist divinity like the Apotheosis of Washington or the Deification of Augustus Caesar for Rome. Wonder why they don’t adopt the Taoist immortals instead, maybe because Taoism often times conflicts with the State control methods.
It works for North Korea apparently.
State Religion is the new thing to replace the old secular dystopian madness, as I said before.
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they are doing what i said they could always do… ie. everything they do is fake, and pretending to be less communist is a fakery… they could roll things back to the old days in one afternoon… THAT is the power of the communist state… just the same with russia.
should i let gorbachev tell you? or would you like to read a few speeches from china? anywhere else?
i mentioned this stuff a long while back as it was coming up
not a thing you can do, we HAVE to have a war over some things coming up… no way around it now… we failed to act… and thats taht.
now… did any one get that thing i told about the purple horse… well in chinese politics it wasnt a horse but a deer, but hey? whether its me, or someone i mention, they are not stranger enough to be heard like others covered … (and thats normal today. since when does someone listen to the family that cares for them and not the strangers that provide excuse?)
besides.
its behind pay wall..
no one can read it
but you shoud have checked out the stuff leading up to this over the past 5 years or so… we missed it all, never talked about… seriously…
on another note..
when wondering about obama and his russian spies
and clinton, and her stuff, and how the game works.
you ever answer “Who Are Nellie and Bruce Ohr?”
nah… not until some distant journalist wakes up and writes it… i will wait for that… otherwise the opportunity to discuss the point will go by
but note.. if your missing the last 5 years or so of chinese comnunist politics in detail, all your going to do is bs withotu inforamtion and give opinions and not get anywhere.
heck, being suprised commnunists are communists is the first clue…then being surprised that they dont change, and that they can change what they are (Which is a lie) to whatever they want to be… limits are only for the truth tovarish.
you not been paying attention to the great game from arab spring, to the election, the potential destructioun of nato..
heck.. i even told you why russia wanted the nuclear material it got.. and that was before anyone knew it could get it!!!!!!!!!!!
and then you wrote about why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you dont remember cause that was 13 years ago
but you alreadydiscussed why the nuclear material was sold… you just forgot yourself.
Friday, April 15, 2005
Deterrence: thinking about the unthinkable
now they have all the fingerprints they can mimic as they want..
but if you werent indending to set off a nuke and blame someone else, you would never need that..
this is too funny…
kind of late to the party (very late)…
What Will China Do?
if ya want to know tons more, let me know
otherwise… lets here the made up stuff and opinions masquerading as a new history in the absence of any old unknown one
this was always known..
been trying to tell you for years
just as their mask came off and cost them the election
now their mask is coming off…
they have 30 million war aged men with no wives (one child policy)
they have new nukes, new weapons, new electronics..
they have drone army weapons… (imagine 500 small drones each armed with plastic explosives… all flown by people. as soon as one goes down, another takes off and goes in… they can now manufacture them… by the millions… )
tons of stuff
and if you look back
i kept mentioning pay attention or your going to miss the details your going to want to know later post event when your trying to figure out what everyone missed.
i know. i know
dont tell you
more fun to guess.
but note.. the great war is coming again
and the nazis will be defeated by the russ and chinese who will get rid of what?
and it will not start head to head.. but its already close
russia is trying out new nuclear hardened materials
ours is compromised electronically!!
or did you forget the north sea test?
oh and dont forget all those bear bomber runs to alaska, uk, and at everyone till they are desensitized,.. and wont react
Because China follows Lenin’s dictum, foreigners are easily confused as to China’s real “object.” China is both Communist and capitalist, and this is confusing. We would prefer to see one face or the other, but there are two faces. “China combines the worst of socialism with the worst of capitalism,” wrote Guy Sorman in The Empire of Lies. This statement may be truer than any other written by a foreign observer. China has seen 26 dynasties come and go, and if the Communist Party falls it won’t be bloodless. Millions of Chinese Communists have reason to fear for the future; and economic breakdown is the thing they fear the most.
by the way, the changer book i wanted you to read out of so many, was about a changer who worked on china and japan stuff…
yes, this goes THAT far back, you could have read and learned a lot from that stuff… oh well..
Freda Utley…
i would wonder what and by how most would know about china if they cant even get the more scrutable russia right? \
What’s that old saw about “power corrupts…”?
China = Exhibit A.
This will not end well.
This article makes frequent reference to the separation of party and government. How can such separation exist in a single party system? Can a person serve in a government position and not be a member of the party? It doesn’t seem possible. Such a person would have to be appointed by a member of the party who was elected and would serve at the whim of elected party members.
We made a mistake 30 years ago in believing that freeing the economy of China would also result in freeing its politics. While at the time I disagreed with him, it appears that lefty columnist Alexander Cockburn was correct in his prediction in the mid ’80s or so- some years into freeing agriculture but before the big export boom.
Cockburn wrote that China was turning from communist to fascist. A bigger economy, but still with a hyper-controlling government. No, you no longer have the loudspeakers on every corner, but the government knows everything you do online.
China harbors great resentment toward the West. Far more than does for instance India and, that resentment sprang from having their cultural superiority complex confronted by the reality of having been surpassed in every field by a once barbarian West. Superiority complexes engender arrogance. Extreme humiliation results when pretentious arrogance is exposed and that creates hateful resentment.
Jordan Peterson posits that hate + resentment + arrogance = the manifestation of evil.
If China should ever replace America as the sole superpower, it will rule the world with self-justified cruelty.
China is a huge problem. So many people! So little in the way of resources to feed, house, and clothe them all. They must, of necessity, grasp at every economic opportunity. When we visited there a few years back, my wife was amazed because she saw so few birds. (She is a birder.) The Chinese eat anything and everything. Apparently they eat the birds or kill them to keep them out of their crops.
The people are very enterprising. It snowed in Beijing the night we arrived. The next morning as we were leaving to visit the Great Wall, there were vendors outside the hotel hawking warm hats, gloves, and scarves. The street salesmen with watches pinned to their coat linings were ubiquitous in the tourist areas. I got the feeling that a free market economy in China would be a real winner. Instead, it’s a command economy and they try to use aggressive over production tactics to drive competition out of the market – as in steel and aluminum. Very underhanded and devious.
Going through airport security there was an experience. They were very gruff, rough, and invasive. They seemed to take delight in pushing the Yankee devil around a bit. I was steamed after each encounter. But I endured with clenched jaw, knowing protest would get me no where.
Just immersing yourself in the vehicle traffic around Beijing or mingling in crowds gave me the feeling of being in an overwhelming, unorganized, teeming mass of humanity. Quite different from anywhere I have ever been. I imagine the Communists feel a fear of losing control of this vast mass of humanity.
We traveled by ship down river from Shanghai to the Yellow Sea. The riverbanks were lined with plants belching coal smoke and discharging foul looking liquids into the river. A level of pollution that I didn’t believe existed anywhere anymore. With our environmental regulations, is it any wonder our basic industries find it hard to compete?
I would hope that China would become less worldly ambitious and more interested in becoming a free market that is raising the standard of living for more of its people. What I saw on my visit indicates that isn’t likely.
Maybe our China expat could add some thoughts to the discussion.
Geoffrey Britain Says:
March 6th, 2018 at 10:33 pm
If China should ever replace America as the sole superpower, it will rule the world with self-justified cruelty.
* * *
Replace “China” with any non-Anglo-Saxon (aka ex-British-Empire) country and you would still be correct.
The way the Anglos are going now, you will soon be able to add them to the list.
See Mark Steyn especially on the rise of fascist political-correctness in Canada and Oz, but it’s happening here as well.
God help the world if the Social Justice Warriors get control of the government again and decide they need to project some more of the “leading from behind” and R2P diplomacy that we just lived through.
This is pretty much what Communist dictators do. Take over, make up things as they go, perpetuate their power. Sounds similar to what Chairman O tried to do, until the smartest woman in the world could not win a rigged election.
Doug,
You can be a government official and not a Party official. Think of government officials as civil servants. Even ministers sometimes aren’t party members. This has only happened for science and technology. Technically, the CPC governs in a United Front. There are 8 parties that accept the CPC’s leadership.
Every town or city has a mayor but also a Party Secretary. Most members of government at the lower levels are party members. I’d say it’s around 70%. At the higher levels, it’s more like 90%.
Also, under current law, party members can’t be arrested by normal police or tried by normal courts. If the police and courts want to tango with a party member, they first have to vet it with the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection.
Xi doing this isn’t much of a shock. As soon as he came to power, he started going after people that could challenge his authority. He was sent down to the countryside by Mao. He understands the relationship between political power and violence.
GB is right about China’s nationalism requiring foreign enemies. Although I would differ in that China’s greatest national enemy is still Japan and Taiwan. India and the West are handled with a kind of “attack, retreat” strategy, like Russia did in the Cold War with Cuba.
Press them as much as you can, then retreat hoping to get concessions out of it. They got a lot out of that during President Hussein’s reign of power.
There are open source analysts on Chinese foreign policy. You can get English translated scripts of chinese language programs, the state controlled CCP whatever. It’s like China’s version of the Jesuits, producing world wide propaganda for anyone that wants to utilize the language.
I also find useful the various primary sources of Westerners in China who tour the country and put their videos of road bike trips online, funded by Patreon.
All of this gives us a completely different view than what the District of Columbia tells us.
Sounds similar to what Chairman O tried to do, until the smartest woman in the world could not win a rigged election.
People told us that those of us that said the elections were rigged under HRC or Demoncrats, were crazy and making stuff out of thin air.
Who were the crazy ones, the Normal Americans or the abnormal ones?
Abby Normal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9MKDWvtk6Q
Xi has just been declared a Buddhist deity…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-xi-boddhisatva/xi-jinpings-latest-tag-living-buddhist-deity-chinese-official-says-idUSKCN1GK0V6
China oligarchs adopting a Buddhist divinity like the Apotheosis of Washington or the Deification of Augustus Caesar for Rome. Wonder why they don’t adopt the Taoist immortals instead, maybe because Taoism often times conflicts with the State control methods.
It works for North Korea apparently.
State Religion is the new thing to replace the old secular dystopian madness, as I said before.