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  1. There was something primal about Whittle’s essay that the sheepdog metaphor. Circumstances change but many of the big things- life, survival, human nature- don’t. Great stuff (with a shout out to Lt. Gen. Honore).

  2. Also, I can brain the terrorist on the head with a Coke can in a sock. Also, I can smash their face when they are down.

    Or you could knee them in the groin (that one’s popular), hit them with two knuckles in his right temple as he bends over. When he falls/moves to his left, then you kick out his knee cap, then put your shinbone on his neck.

    I love how if you hit a nerve spot in the human body, it causes lots of paralysis pain.

    (And many sheepdogs are NOT contemptuous at all, more supportive

    I don’t think it would hinder the protector’s actions at all, regardless of what they felt. If they are ordered to protect the flock, they will do so. That is the discipline that separates warriors from just regular people, and warriors from murderers.

    They may be disatisfied with life, but they can deal with it. A lot of people are dissatisfied with life.

    Doers can’t change their natures, and parasites can’t change theirs. If we want to get rid of them, sure, we can kill them. But that’s kind of messy and won’t eliminate all of them.

  3. “Because they prolly have some superior / contempt feelings. “

    I am differnet Jimthan the one Aubrey answered.

    Anyway, superior feelings are bound to develop and they inevitable become a problem. This sheep/sheepdof relationship is basically the relationship between an aristocracy and its peasantry, or maybe also townspeople if there are towns the aristocrats control.

    It can and has worked very wel for a long, long time in some places. Japan and Germany come to mind. In Germany you see huge vistas of what are almost real forests. Over the centuries the gentry preserved the forests from encroachment by the peasants, to preserve habitat for wild game, but eventually to the peasants’ great advantage. The peasants would never have enjoyed that advanatge relying on their own insight and self-discipline. That is sheepdog behavior, protecting the sheep even against threats from themselves. The new arrangement is called socialism, but is the same in essence – a small elite manages threats for the good of the flock.

    But the flaw is the contempt that the gentry eventually always feel for the masses. Well, not always. A commneter mentioned the flow of individauls between the sheep and sheepdog groups. Thats has been our saving grace in the US far. People decry the fact that graduates of elite schools don’t go into the military. Thank God they don’t! They can go be investment bankers or whatever. That is how we get people like Russel Honore as three star genrals instead of gas station attendants or highly-talented, toxically frustrated sergeants stuck in a motor pool somewhere.

  4. Herewith an example of my last couple of posts:

    Going on forty years ago, I was involved in a project a thousand miles from home with about three dozen other college students.

    There were places our leadership had said were Bad Places to go in our limited spare time, and Good Places.
    Two other guys and I went to one of the latter. I have nothing bad to say about the other guys’ heart, but they were small and convinced that Ghandi had been excessively macho.
    We had just ordered when the waitress came in saying there was an emergency call for the big white guy with the Michigan State sweatshirt.

    Three of our girls had gone to one of the Bad Places, redneck before redneck was cool

    Here’s the kicker. They looked to see where I had signed out to, written down that place’s phone number and put a spare dime (forty years ago, remember) in a shoe or bra or someplace.

    They knew in advance they might get into trouble, and they knew what to do about it. But they didn’t ask me first.

    We managed to retrieve the three women without further incident. I was driving a VW bug. Three of us, three of them. Me driving. A quick calculation will show that the only guy without a coed on his lap was me.

    How do you think I felt about these three girls, and their action, and about the sheepdog/sheep thing in general?

    Now, fastforward to a soldier watching the lefties put “kick-me” signs on the US.

  5. Richard, I hope NNC really thinks about your question: what do the sheepdogs think about the sheep?

    Because they prolly have some superior / contempt feelings. Sometimes quite a bit like the wolves, actually, though the wolves are more open and honest. (And many sheepdogs are NOT contemptuous at all, more supportive)

    Socially, such superiority / contempt is kinda “cool” — rebel without a cause sort of.

    So many of the intellectual sheep take the same superior contempt pose against the other sheep as do the wolves.

    The Left is allied with Islamofascists; against the sheepdog Americans (and of course against the Jews).

  6. Jim.

    Disagree. Sheepdogs have chosen to take responsibility for others.
    The modality does not matter, whether a gun, or crawling into a wrecked car which might catch fire.
    Perhaps sheepdogs did not choose but were hardwired, or trained by other sheepdogs from birth.

    Sheep take no responsibility for others if there is any possibility of danger. They don’t even take full responsibility for themselves, waiting instead for the sheepdogs to do it.

    As I asked before, how do you think sheepdogs feel about this?
    About the sheep?

  7. I liked the Whittle piece but I thought it was flawed. I posted a critique of it on my site.

  8. Thank you for this thoughtful, well-written piece. The irony, for me anyway, is that our “sheepdogs” are really just other sheep who through dedication and discipline have overcome their natural fear of fire and firearms to protect us in times of peril. I think what you’ve penned is particularly helpful in light of what the men and women who marched into New Orleans accomplished within 24 hours of their arrival, bringing order to chaos and salvation to the donwtrodden. I read on another blog how the NY PD and the NY FD brought honor to themselves and their emblems during 9-11. In my opinion, their New Orleans equivalent did not, leaving them with fitting acronyms: NO PD and NO FD …

  9. I think many potential crimes are averted by the presence of a gun in the hands of an intended victim. I think too these incidents are often not reported to the police. Whether or not the intended victim could and would pull the trigger is another story, but most criminals are unwilling to run the odds since they are by nature cowards. Their courage is in proportion to the perceived vulnerability of the intended victim(s). There may be more sheepdogs in sheeps clothing than we realize.

  10. As we have heard several times, Orwell said that, effectively, the pacifist favors the fascist.

    In the real world, what this means is the fascist is told by the actions of the virtuous society that it might be worth a shot. They’re disarming and arguing about fighting and we ought to win easily.

    So, to extend Orwell a bit, the pacifist increases the chance of war. Since the virtuous society won’t give up without a fight. The fascist does not have the patience to wait the zillion years until they are one hundred percent pacifist.

    So the fascist attacks.

    Who takes the first hit? The regulars. The professional sheepdogs.
    Who, by the way, are watching this process and watching the sheep make war–and the deaths of the professional sheepdogs–a pretty much done deal.

    It is not merely that civilians don’t understand or like the military. The feeling can be reciprocated, for a reason.

  11. Thank goodness for the blogosphere. I’ve already decided that although I don’t have fighting skills, I certainly can yell, as necessary, to bring others to a fight against terrorists. Also, I can brain the terrorist on the head with a Coke can in a sock. Also, I can smash their face when they are down. I had an encounter with a drunk today, and I know that I’m ready to do major damage to anyone who accosts me. As a “nice person” (“sheep”), I know that I’ll need to counteract decades of niceness. But I’m ready to kill, if necessary.

    As a group, all non-idiotarians need to think about what they personally can do in an emergency. Too many Americans are ignorant or in denial about the New World we live in.

    Think of Promethea as a sheep with fangs and claws.

  12. About the gun argument. One of the problems with that argument is that it is derivative, and not the core assumption itself.

    The core assumption is that the will to fight (character virtues) deters the enemy. The wolf.

    Arming citizenry, or allowing them to arm themselves, is only a consequence of a policy that promotes character virtues instead of character weakness.

    It is not and should not be the goal intended.

    Because if you actually have legal weaponry available to people, it does not mean they will have the will to fight. Cause people kill people, not guns. Therefore you can’t just give people guns and that will deter criminals, no, you have to get people to get some kind of fighting spirit going on otherwise they’re still sheep.

    Like Tony Martin. He used a gun, but only in fear and acted pretty crazy based upon that fear for his life, his property, and for what the police would do to him.

    That was in Britain, and the gun was illegal, but it doesn’t change the variables present. Which is that fighting spirit trumps weaponry. Everytime and anytime.

    Any law that puts weapons above fighting spirit, (like banning handguns but not shotguns) is a big no no.

    So in essence, the problem with governments that don’t allow guns, is only a derivative of the core problem, which is that those governments don’t promote civic character virtues but civic vices.

    Once they make the sheep into a weak animal, it is a lot easier to control. But that sheep will not be able to defend itself as well against threats. But then, the shepherd might not care about that.

    P.S.

    The Jan Ken (X) is pretty ubiquitous in human history.

    Rock, paper, scissors…

  13. My friends and I were talking one day in late 2001, after 9/11, about how we genuinely think we would have been the group of guys to storm the cockput had we been on that plane knowing what they knew. That’s just how we are. I guess the Bill Whittle piece finally explains why.

  14. This is similar to the categories from the the movie “Team America”: (bad language alert) there are “pussies”, “pricks”, and “assholes”. Pussies don’t like pricks, but they need pricks because pricks will fxxk assholes, who Shxx on pussies. A little cruder, but not a bad way to remember whose who in the world.

  15. Many sheep dislike sheepdogs more than they do wolves…after all, they see sheepdogs every day but rarely or never see wolves. It’s rumored that wolves are in the forests, but many sheep believe those rumors are false. Others believe that the forest creatures are actually sheep, very much like themselves, who have been wearing wolf-masks out of fear.

    There are some sheep who tend to fixate on the sheepdog’s fangs, and argue that these make the sheepdog equivalent to the wolf. These sheep have never learned to look beneath the surface of things and understand that it’s not just the fangs that matter: it’s how the fangs are used.

  16. What a coincidence. I was just reading Grossman’s book, The War With Earth, coauthored with a Russian scientist of all things.

    His Book

    Dave Grossman is a retired U.S. Army Lt. Colonel, West Point Psychology Professor, Professor of Military Science, Army Ranger, and lifelong SF fan. He started his military career as a paratrooper and a sergeant before attending OCS. Colonel Grossman is the author of the Pulitzer nominated book, On Killing, which is used as required reading in courses at military academies, police academies, and colleges worldwide. He has written many other scholarly and popular works, and since his retirement from the military in 1998, he now travels the world almost 300 days a year, training elite military and law enforcement organizations.

    What caught my notice was that “required reading” bit. To my experience, anyone who wants to learn military science (AKA military experts) needs to read all those required readingajibs that Mil Science requires to graduate.

    I have not even finished Clausewitz’s On War (Which is ridiculously freaking long btw), and I’m still astonished at the little details I know compared to my friends on the internet.

    I doubt his book would get a Pulitzer NOW… however.

    I’ll have to try to read that book, On Killing. Heh, sort of like “On War”.

    The military sure is conservative in some things.

    It is unfortunate that many Democrats have little to no interest in reading these books. Sun Tzu’s the Art of War, On War, On Killing, and so on.

    I’ve been thinking about the aspects of civilization ever since I read John Ringo’s tour de force with David Weber, in March Upcountry. Where there are warriors, soldiers, and civilians. Warriors fight on an individualist, pride, level. Soldiers fight on a teamwork orientated survival method, discipline based. Civilians run and hide and wait to be slaughtered.

    And it was real interesting seeing how ancient type civilizations turned civilians, to militia-soldiers, to professional soldiers, to professional soldier-warrior hybrids.

    I applied that to today’s world, and I notice a great lack of… mobility between the different types in society. Much more than the Roman Empire days, but still not a lot pre-9/11. Then post-9/11, and things got a little bit weird. You had previous sheep, turning into steel eyed fighters, and you had a President ready to shoot down a civilian airliner with a military fighter.

    It was certainly exciting at the age of 17. The rage and the fear hadn’t fully manifested itself, because I didn’t know much about world affairs at that stage. I didn’t even know Saddam’s history. You could say that many people, like me, started taking an interest in world affairs then, and realized that history wasn’t quite as boring as the teachers made it out to be.

    I think it is pretty simple, though perhaps not easy, to turn a sheep into a sheepdog. All you have to do is to find something that the sheep values, since it is human not an animal, and threaten to take it away. The will to survive in humanity will reassert itself, and fight back. Or it won’t reassert itself, giving the wolf a juicy weakened target to take first.

  17. “Point is, it takes more work to be reliably non-lethal in the use of violence than to be lethal.”

    True enough. I was talking about those for whom a gun may be perceived as a viable option, but who may not have thought through the consequences.

    Sadly, many people get most of their “received truth” from TV shows, which seldom portray the aftermath for all concerned. In the last three minutes of a script, the reluctant hero/heroine drills the bad guy and the music comes up.

    Again, sorry for hijacking the thread, since this isn’t really what Bill Whittle’s talking about.

  18. {NOTE: having trouble with a simple cut & paste operation}

    I wanted to correct the “trackback” link in my earlier comment. It should have been this one.

  19. I think the thinking about carrying a gun is nice, but restrictive.
    If you hit somebody with your bare hands, you may kill him. It’s more likely if you’re strong and know what you’re doing, but practically anybody can kill somebody else, if only because the guy ducks the blow and falls into a well or something.
    The instant you raise your hand to somebody, you are in serious territory.
    That’s why cops spend so much time learning techniques which are designed to be non-lethal. Mostly, they are, but they have the additional cost of restricting the cops’ options and making him less safe. Point is, it takes more work to be reliably non-lethal in the use of violence than to be lethal.

  20. Ever since reading On Killing, I’ve been of the opinion that certain unpleasant subjects are best faced squarely. People who decide to put a gun in the nightstand without coming to terms with all aspects of deadly force, are a danger to themselves.

    I’m not sure where this kind of person fits in the sheep-sheepdog-wolf analogy, but there are plenty of them out there.

    That’s not really what this essay is about, but the idea that all are made safer by the very idea that some might fight back is exactly the point made by gun rights advocates about the deterrent effect of legally armed citizens.

    I’ve posted a link to this post here and I also recommend Blackfive’s mention of Dave Grossman.

    Further common-sense advice on self-defense and personal responsibility is out there. Try Googling “Massad Ayoob,” f’rinstance.

  21. Ever wonder what the sheepdogs think of the sheep?

    Hint: The sheepdogs don’t want to die. The sheep, through obliviousness or contrariness, get themselves into trouble.

    The sheepdog must respond.

    How pleased with the sheep is the sheepdog in this event?

  22. Some fool sent me the Michael Moore “open letter” to Bush and I sent back this essay–I wish I thought they would stick to it through the end. I plan on wearing gray as a tribute.

  23. Wow — I read the LONG sheepdog post, too, and it’s great. The High Noon truth you articulate is perfect.

    (Even looked up the Col., but he’s teaching security.)

    Yes, the sheep must turn into sheepdogs. To survive in a fight against evil.

    But only if there IS evil. Denial of evil is a basis for denial of the need for sheepdogs. An unreal basis; but such folk often complain about real sheepdogs being too wolfish (Abu?) and NOT perfect.

    Like Minister Fudge of Harry Potter…

  24. – Whittle’s essay simply was outstanding and very timely – the ‘sheep’ still want to see islamic fundamentalism as some kind of small aberration and not a serious menace. The full import of 9/11 has simply not registered with many if not most Americans.

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