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  1. I thought the left believes that asking people their immigration status is racial profiling and not to be done.

  2. any one know what they are copying in soft form that someone else last century did in hard form?

    it has a reason, a point, a plan, and an outcome of purpose having to do with holding power permanently.

    [and nothing to do with rome and its fall since those doing it are not ignorant like the Romans were]

    the answers to these whys are in history, and in the libraries of the leaders which is where they get their ideas…

    anyone ever ask the question of why exterminate and do such to so many people? i mean the only answer we are allowed is that some nutter grabbed the traces and ran the horse off the rails (Which implies if a sane person grabs those same traces, it will be utopian).

    hows this.. what if, its not a nutter, what if the ideology states such as a purpose? what if, there are good reasons to do that from the perspective of holding power for generations against the will of so many people?

    here is one for you..

    to to the images of the 10:10 rally and look at the literature available…

    if its not the same old stuff and the same old goals, then why at socialist communist organized things do they still give out or sell “the jewish question” literature?

    4.bp.blogspot.com/_orkXxp0bhEA/TKfArj94pOI/AAAAAAAAhCg/Hb6u9jvtw7o/s1600/101002-mall-libs10.jpg

    the fact that the holocaust was the conflagration before the new word was made up to save marxism… when engels and marx are quoted as describing world war which would accomplish such goals.

    why do they still print, distribute, and promote the same literature that was core to nazi anti semitism, and communist antisemitism, and progressive antisemitism, and fabian antisemitism?

    The Jewish Question encompasses the issues and resolutions surrounding the historic unequal civil, legal and national status between minority Ashkenazi Jews and non-Jews, particularly in Europe. The first issues discussed and debated by societies, politicians and writers in western and central Europe began with the Age of Enlightenment and the French Revolution. These included issues of legal and economic Jewish disabilities, equality, Jewish emancipation and Jewish Enlightenment. Issues including assimilation within the Diaspora and Zionism continued into the twentieth century. The term became closely associated with periods of increased antisemitism in the 1880s, as well as the struggle to establish a Jewish state.

    According to Holocaust scholar Lucy Dawidowicz, the term “Jewish Question”, as introduced in western Europe, was a neutral expression for the negative attitude toward the apparent and persistent singularity of the Jews as a people against the background of the rising political nationalisms and new nation-states. Dawidowicz writes that “the histories of Jewish emancipation and of European antisemitism are replete with proffered ‘solutions to the Jewish question.'”

    By far the most infamous use of this expression was by the Nazis in the early- and mid- twentieth century, culminating in the implementation of their “Final Solution to the Jewish question” during World War II.

    so there is a reason why they are doing this and it is the SAME reason it was done before.

    why did russia invade recently and take lands with no one really crowing?

    they claimed to be rescuing their own people…

    what did hitler claim as to the sudentland germans?

    why arent satellite countries who supposedly have their freedom, in turmoil over the immigrants placed there as a permanent wedge for the rulers to use?

    can you drink a gallon of water in a week?

    how about a day?

    what happens when you drink that in 4 mins?

    we now have polar bear hunting and the spanish and black minorities killing each other.. and none of them are paying much attention t the leader pitting them against each other in a battle of who can ingratiate and argue better to get more their money back.

    PS… yahoo is returning all mail now..

  3. Contractors with employees who seem likely to be illegal seem to be common enough in my Midwestern suburb, e.g., the cleaning crew that cleans up the gym where I go.

  4. of course we dont remember things like this

    EHR KUMT. YIDN FARLAWST AYER SHTETL – Vladimir Jabotinsky Shabbos morning 1938 as said that to the Lithuanian Jews at Choral Synagogue

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SynaStPersburgExt.JPG

    Migration and Repatriation Issues in Post-
    Soviet Countries: the Latvian Case
    http://www.nato.int/acad/fellow/95-97/prikulis.pdf

    The issue of ethnic Latvians, however, has not drawn as much
    attention, especially outside Latvia, as has the matter of ethnic Russians and
    other so-called “Russian speakers” who arrived in Latvia during the Soviet
    occupation. They pose a very serious issue which may have profound
    consequences in the future of the country.

    -=-=-=-=-=-

    Migration during the period when Latvia was a republic of the Soviet Union occurred completely against the will of the people.

    experience does count… no?

    what you guys don’t get is that as long as we are polite and such they are doing what they would do if they had control!!!

    they are letting ethnicity in for the same reasons, and they are doing it against the publics will, and like a polite family with a very bad houseguest, they dont want to be seen as unreasonable, hostile, competitive, and such when they kick the bastards out.

    what you all dont get, or a majority dont get is that they already own us because we let them act like it.

    its a very simple natural concept… an owner does what he wants and the supplicants cant.

    if they do this, we stop them, they beg or cajole, who is the owner who is the slave?

    if they do this, we dont stop them, we beg or cajole, who is the owner who is the slave?

    most people have no idea of power, and most have no idea that topping from the bottom is a better power position than topping from the top!!!

    most are taught that the under is the weaker, but this is not true when the stronger needs the weaker…

    Latvia suffered greater losses than Estonia and Lithuania due to
    killings, emigration and deportations. According to “guesstimates” (educated
    guesses),7 Latvia lost about 30% of its pre-war population during World War
    II, compared to approximately 25% in Estonia and 15% in Lithuania.
    Emigration and wartime displacements led to between 115,000 and 129,000
    inhabitants of Latvia leaving, never to return. Another estimate has put the
    number at 130,000.8

    which is the minority, the spanish who worldwide have millions, or the latvians who world wide have under 2? the chinese and asians which number billions or latvians which number under 2 million?

    you see, even their missives of what a minnority is is not valid or consistent.

    they have no beliefs, but know you do, and that one of the key beliefs you have is that they have them too as you believe we all do.

    no.. sociopathic don’t have beliefs in that way, which is why they like social Darwinism, and feel that if they can trick you, you are inferior.

    they use belief as a weapon or tool, negotiation not as a means to resolution, but as a weapon or tool, etc.

    nothing is consistent because a consistent something cant garner the mutually exclusive to their side!!!! but to groups that are delusional about themselves, and such, they will all just be a member of the club even though they are in unresolvable mutually exclusive positions on issues. all because the leaders above the groups have no beliefs, they are for the little people…

    all they believ in is power and feeling it.
    and to do that, you need victims and an underclass which cant punish you for acting on them.

    After the war, Soviet terror and deportations continued. A guerrilla war
    against the Soviet occupation continued into the 1950s,9 but thousands of the
    country’s indigenous inhabitants were deported to the East. In 1950,
    according to one estimate,10 approximately 10% of the pre-war Latvian
    population ended up living in the West as political refugees, while a slightly
    higher percentage, perhaps 12%, were deported to Soviet prisons and labor
    camps. According to this estimate, about 22% of ethnic Latvians were forced
    to live outside their homeland.

    and this condition can be reached by other means.

    you can remove them outright, or you can let others in till the number shift is the same. takes longer but the outcome and reasons are the same.

    A secret statistical data collection which was published in 1958 (with
    the notation “May not be published in the open press”) stated that in 1940,
    the total floor space of residential buildings in Latvian cities was 7.72 million
    square meters, while in 1946, as the result of the war, that figure had dropped
    to just 5.96 million square meters, a decline of 22.8%. In 1950, the lost living
    space had been restored only partially, to 6.762 million square meters, or
    87.6% of the 1940 level. The urban population of Latvia, however, had
    increased radically between 1940 and 1950, and this happened at the
    expense of the living conditions of local residents.11
    The greatest amount of immigration (inflow of colonists) into Latvia
    took place between 1945 and 1950. It is estimated that the number of people
    who immigrated into Latvia during this period was larger than the number of
    people who were lost because of various types of unnatural population loss
    (killing, deportation, emigration). Some 450,000 people are thought to have
    arrived in Latvia during this time. Eventually it became impossible to
    maintain this volume of inflow

    they lost population in war..

    we lost ours by progressive abortion..

    see the parallels?

    same END, different road.

    its like people cant accept that there is more than one road to any place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    heck, today they learned and they dont even let in dipsomaniacs!!!! (a good way to keep people from russia out, as they make alcoholics in the west look like tea totler!!!)

    let me put it this way…

    doing this to a country is kind of like having a baby with someone for some gain…

    unless the someone wants or can do the thing that causes dissonance to their sense of ethics, the failure to make the distinctions will cause them to be permanently involved in the mess which then becomes a permanent point of power for the leaders.

    the leaders dont worry about what we do, because they are willing later to use murder and mass death to halt any problem, which we aren’t. so they are calm we are not, as we are upset we are being put in a positin were we cant act without internal conflict, and they have no internal conflict to worry about, or guilt, or belief to question

    its not just an alternative idea for the grist mill of debate, its a completely different metaphysical way of thinking and approaching a reality in which parasitism over victims is the future…

  5. the curios can also read this

    LATVIAN-AMERICANS IN THE POST-SOVIET ERA:
    CULTURAL FACTORS ON RETURN MIGRATION IN
    ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS

    http://www.elore.fi/arkisto/1_06/hin1_06.pdf

    International population migration has been the focus of intense research, numerous
    governmental and academic studies and declarations (1), theoretical considerations
    (see Cassarino 2004), and many conferences for at least half a century. Only about
    10 percent of this effort has been directed at documenting and understanding the
    multifaceted and heterogeneous phenomenon of return migration or transmigration,
    even though repeat migrations and the formation of transnational communities
    and identities (see Takenaka 1999) is becoming increasingly common in the last few
    decades. A great majority of the studies have dealt with economic migrants, people
    who leave their country to try to secure a more stable economic future. Much less
    attention has been paid to the other migratory categories such as political refugees
    and asylum seekers. This article will focus on a small subset of potential international
    return migrants, World War II refugees from Latvia, who emigrated to the United
    States around 1950.

  6. When the Soviet Army returned to Latvia and absorbed it into the Soviet
    Union in 1944, about a tenth of the population (some 200 000 people) left Latvia
    for the West. After refugee camps in Germany, the largest number (40 000) eventually
    settled in the United States (Plakans 1995)
    (2), where many established Latvian
    emigre communities. These communities were defined mainly by their common
    heritage and language, not necessarily by geographical space. Their two main goals
    were to remind the world about Latvia’s occupation and to preserve Latvia’s prewar
    culture, language and values. In the 1989 census slightly more than 100 000 American
    inhabitants listed their ancestry as Latvian.
    (Carpenter 1996, 93.)

    and we are not minorities…

  7. Tatyana – please skip this comment.

    My girlfriend and I had ‘the’ argument finally.

    It was brewing i suppose.

    She believed that Meg Whitman did Nikki Diaz wrong by:
    a) firing her
    and
    b) not getting immigration lawyers to help Nikki

    I pointed out that she just heard liberal lawyer Erwin Chimerinski (sp) state that Meg would be committing a felony by continuing to employ her. That she had no choice but to let her go.

    girlfriend: I don’t care

    me (exasperated): she can’t win. Nikki committed fraud and perjured herself by putting forth documents that she knew were incorrect. Meg and her husband had no idea that she committed that fraud….

    girlfriend: she knew

    me: Once she did know she let her go and you want to fault her for that – she was obligated by law….

    gf: I don’t care what the law is – she did her wrong.

    me (losing it): I can’t believe how judgmental and harsh you are. You won’t vote for her because she followed the law??? What in the world is she to do?

    Basically that was uncalled for on my part and she didn’t like it one bit. We’ve been cold to each other for 3 days….

  8. Sorry Baklava. Yes, “the argument” is a tough one.

    Well, what can you do? Still, break up over Meg Whitman and Nikki The Maid? That would be a bit extreme.

    Yes, they are upsetting these things. Good luck. My spouse and I avoid it. You know our story. All I can say is, if you’ve got a good one, and you love each other, have mutual respect and want the same things out of life and have the same values (except for the obvious political difference) and have some common interests, you’ve got a lot going for you.

    best of luck.

  9. Baklava – forget all the “plusses” that you keep clinging to in order to justify this tryst.

    Don’t walk, run – NOW!

  10. Baklave,
    Sorry to read, but not surprised.
    A tight relationship, of which marriage should be the tightest, is more than an algebraic sum of pluses and minuses. One minus can erode, corrode, and negate many pluses.

    julia NYC seems to make marriage sound like a business deal. But marriage should be a dual victory, not a stalemate between two sometimes-uneasy-about-one-anothers.

  11. Forget the ilegal aliens. I want to know how illegitimate journalist got into Lou Dobbs life.

    And what olderandwheezier said!

  12. Baklava:

    I’m sure she’s a wonderful woman. But, as you’ve by now no doubt repeatedly asked yourself, do you really want to spend your life with a woman so willing to disregard the law because of her opinion of the moment?

    We don’t even have all the facts of the case, and some new revelations (e.g. a real “smoking gun” proving that Whitman knew Diaz was an illegal, or a statement from Diaz that would convince even your fiancee) could turn the whole thing upside down. But she’s told you that she doesn’t care what the law says?? And this about a remote political race that probably won’t touch you personally? What would happen when (if) it’s an important decision to be made, you want to do the legal thing and she disagrees?

    I won’t say this is irreconcilable. I do think it’s A Very Good Thing that you’re dealing with it now.

    Good luck!

    DiB

  13. I don’t know if it’s a business deal, although legally I guess marriage is indeed a business deal. Ask anyone who’s gotten divorced. And some things are definitely deal breakers. Like for some folks infidelity. That for me is a deal breaker. However, spouse voting for a different candidate. Not so much. Depends on how its handled.

    Also, folks can and do indeed change during a marriage. So then what? If there’s still a lot of mostly good in the relationship are you gonna just end it? Are people perfect? Are marriages?

  14. Baklava: there’s a whole line of research that purports to deal with the different ways men and women (supposedly) make ethical decisions. I actually don’t think much of it is especially valid (results are all over the place), but I immediately thought of it when I heard your story about the argument you and your girlfriend had. Here’s a link to some information about it, in case you’re interested. It’s food for thought, anyway.

  15. 1. Baklava, I hope things work out for the best, whatever that may be.

    2. Iirc Baklava’s girl friend works for the government. I wonder how many SEIU-unionized bureaucrats share her (dis)respect for the law.

    3. Apparently the fact that Dobbs’ wife is Mexican-American is irrelevant to whatever it is he is being accused of. Actually, her background may be part of a message intended for American Hispanics who oppose illegal immigration. The hard left wants a polarized society.

    4. As Neo notes, Dobbs and Whitman are in a damned-if-you-do-and-if-you-don’t situation. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it? Are the attacks on Dobbs and Whitman unrelated or are they part of an organized, jounolisty campaign? We may be seeing a dry run for leftist tactics if the GOP wins a house of Congress next month (not to mention the 2012 campaign).

  16. I read Neo’s link and thought Whooeee, I’m sure glad I don’t have to read that kinda stuff as a regular diet. I like to see some numbers in the data. The chapter that followed, “Feminist Family Therapy,” is also interesting though more than a trifle dogmatic.

  17. Why should I skip it, Baklava? You keep bringing it back, turning practically every thread into yet another session about your relationship with your Most Cherished Significant Other. The Apple of your Eye. Your love, your family, the person closest to your heart.

    Apparently you welcome anyone reading these threads (except me, since I’m not inclined to tell you what you want to hear) to bad-mouth your lover, and you use any pretext to insert yourself and your problem into any thread on any topic.

    You are 40 yo, but you act as if you’re 14: running to your older brother for bitching session when your mom punished you for something.

    It’s absolutely not my business to talk about you and your girlfriend this way. But you made it mine – by bringing the subject up, again and again.
    And I wish you wouldn’t – because I want to respect you.

  18. “The beauty of it is that those on the left who embrace illegal immigration are off the hook”

    Same game they’ve played for a long time regarding sex related stuff with republicans… even if the person in question never was a social con or guilty of ‘hypocrisy’.

    Anyway, on the plus side, the dems popularity levels might indicate the only people buying this stuff are progressives (20%) and African Americans (10%). Everyone else might just see it for what it is without any explanation required.

  19. Baklava Says

    Reading that gave me a flashback of talking to people who say Palin voted to make people buy their own rape kits… nothing matters, the facts have been fixed to fit what they feel….

  20. julia NYC Says:

    “Well, what can you do? Still, break up over Meg Whitman and Nikki The Maid? That would be a bit extreme”

    Today it’s squishy logic over this leading to odd moral conclusions. What happens tomorrow?

  21. Arguing with liberals is like looking at a schizophrenic’s cat scan while all the poor bastard’s personalities got into a shouting match.

  22. Gosh, where were all these, ahem, investigative reporters when Obama’s “spiritual mentor,” Jeremiah Wright, a proud and quite outspoken Jew-hater, was exposed?

  23. juliaNYC writes, “…infidelity. That for me is a deal breaker.”
    I ask whether she means infidelity in thought or infidelity in deed. Jimmah Carter’s “Lust in my heart” versus Eliott Spitzer’s actual conduct.

    The infidelity of Baklava’s fiancee falls between Carter’s and Spitzer’s. In thought, surely, but also in deed, since she presumably votes and otherwise acts on her thoughts.

  24. Well, if Baklava’s girlfriends identity gets stolen, and her credit report shows a bunch of hispanic names associated with her social security number, she might change her mind. Oh wait, never mind, its racists to assume hispanics are the majority of illegals in the US.
    Back in the day, when I was working for a government body I shall not name, I ran one social security number of interest. It came back associated with a slew of names. I stopped counting at 50 names and 17 states- and they were not “smith” and “jones” if you know what I mean. There is a paper trail there-the government could do something if it really wanted to. They should make examples of a few hundred and charge and sentence them to consecutive, not concurrent sentences for each time the stolen social security number was used. “Jose” and three hundred of his closest cousins got 18 years of prison……..let the media put that out and there would be a lot of self deportation…..

  25. Tatyana, I can assure you that neither I, Robin of Berkeley nor Neo look like we are 14.

    Logic.

  26. Baklava, if you talk with your lover the way you answer me – no wonder she doesn’t want to get into discussions with you.

    Stop pretending to be stupider than you are; I know you’re not an imbecile who can not read or comprehend written text.

    I said “You are 40 yo, but you actas if you’re 14″ You deliberately misread the word in bold for “look”.
    I don’t care how old you look, it’s irrelevant to what I said.
    I didn’t mention Neo at all.
    I didn’t mention Robin at all, whoever it might be.

    You’re erecting strawmen and then call it “logic”.

    OK, I warned you- and you persisted; I extend no more respect fot you, Baklava.
    Your upcoming marriage is doomed – but not because of your fiance’s stubborness, no. It’s doomed because of your attitude.

  27. look… act….

    Robin of Berkeley 🙂 is me…

    Shower your disdain and lack of respect on her.

    I don’t “feel” that I’m “acting” as if I’m 14 by writing what I write.

    I don’t “feel” that Robin of Berkeley is either…

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