Caroline Glick: on left and right in Israel, and left and right in the US — 27 Comments
I was especially struck by the testimony of an Israeli from the Kibbutz Be’eri, which is allied with the Israeli radical left.
This kibbutz did all the Good Guy stuff they could to treat Gazans well and in return the Gazans used that friendship to map out their kibbutz for massacre and terror. (I couldn’t catch the Israeli’s name — Avi Something, I think.)
_________________________________
What’s the strategy here? It’s to look to the future and to ask the future of the nation of Israel, where it wants to be. I think that we, the residents of the Gaza border, were sitting 4 km from the border. We need to ask if we are capable of coexisting there.
The 7th of October showed that the level of evil there, coexistence is apparently impossible. We can’t do it anymore. Because we gave them everything. They even worked in our community. And in the end, we were proven wrong.
The way I see things today, the Gaza Strip has no right to exist. We reached the point where their children burned us alive in our shelters. The older ones shot us through the doors, and anyone who tried to jump out the window — they shot him again. Their elderly, on wheelchairs, and their handicapped, arrived at Kibbutz Be’eri [for care and medicaL treatment], and they looted us and kidnapped us as hostages.
We need to understand this situation. And when a person has infinite demands at negotiations, apparently, either we won’t be here, or they won’t be here.
We mustn’t leave. We have to rebuild this place. And we’ll build the Gaza border region. And we’ll return to Be’erri and it will be even better.
[Applause]
I am glad she got around to DEI in America. DEI is affirmative action on steroids for blacks especially, and to a lesser extent, Hispanics, Muslims , ” native American” and LGBTQ. DEI is overtly anti white, anti Christian, anti straight and especially, anti straight, white and Christian males. And guess what, many American Jews look white.
As far as lefty Jews wanting to be included on the beneficial side of DEI and not being there. They made their own bed by supporting DEI in the first place. Basically, they were trying to disenfranchise every straight , white ,person, especially, straight white Christian males and got caught in their own trap.
Unfortunately, It’s bad for all the rest of the Jews and pretty much all of the rest of American society in the long run.
The saddest thing to me in all of this is I know the Old Testament prophecy about the situation in Jerusalem right at the end of this age, just before Messiah. ( This is not even with New Testament additional comments) see the last chapter of the Jewish book of Zechariah.
Jon baker:
Most Jews in America are white, even leftist ones. Most Jews in America are straight, even leftist ones. Do you think they’re not?
Yes, I know most Jews in America are white. That is part of the problem for Jews now since ” white ” can be openly discriminated against now in America. Leftist whites, both Jews and non Jews, helped to bring about the anti white attitudes and systems. I guess they thought they would be exempt as long as they were an “ally ” of the non whites. As far as percent straight or gay , I have never looked at the numbers. But clearly there are many straight people that are pushing the LGBTQ agenda, including white women who are fighting FOR trans ” women ” in real women’s spaces. Personally, I think many lefties have unresolved personal guilt and they work to take it out on other people who look like them.
I have mentioned this before, but I have run across people on the internet claiming that the white Jews in Israel are not really Jews. These people claim that only dark skinned people can be Jews. In some cases, they claim only black people are the real Jews.
The anti white stuff is real, and ” white ” Jews are getting caught by it.
Jon baker:
I really think that most white leftists and/or liberals who were and still are in favor of DEI simply never thought through the consequences for white people but merely thought of it as a way to help black and brown people. For that matter, white leftists and Asian leftists didn’t think of the consequences for white and/or Asian people, either. By the way, many people on the right are always annoyed with Jews for voting for the Democrats, but I rarely if ever hear people on the right saying the same thing about Asians. And yet Asians vote for Democrats in nearly the same percentages that Jews do, about 62% on average, with Americans of Korean, Indian, and Filipino backgrounds at around 68%. Chinese less so but still Democrats, and only Vietnamese vote very slightly (51%) Republican. For Jews, it’s about 70% Democrat, but Orthodox Jews are 75% Republican.
On October 10th, 2023, the Mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, made a powerful speech, decrying the celebrations of Hamas massacres across New York City. His words of conscience “We Are Not Alright” begin my new song and music video “OK,” which addresses the barbaric Hamas October 7 attacks in Israel, and the global fallout that resulted.
Such is the theme of this song.
In short, “We Are Not OK.”
We Are Not OK as a nation when certain members of Congress refuse to condemn terrorists who kidnap and decapitate babies.
We Are Not OK as a world when the United Nations General Assembly rejects a motion to condemn Hamas and U.N. General Secretary Antonio Guterres seeks to “contextualize” the terrorism and atrocities of October 7th.
We Are Not OK when legacy women’s rights groups and global organizations supposedly devoted to women’s human rights have little to no comment after grandmothers, women, and young girls are raped, tortured, and murdered.
We Are Not OK when concertgoers celebrating in the desert are raped, massacred, and kidnapped at a festival for peace – and the majority response from music industry executives, artists, and Hollywood are lawyered statements loaded with cowardly apathy.
We Are Not OK when our flagship universities become harbors for gross antisemitism and radicalization, headed by presidents, boards, and faculty steeped in moral and intellectual corruption, who lack the spine to simply declare right from wrong.
We Are Not OK when leading media platforms seem more focused on creating narratives of moral equivalency between the actions of Israeli Defense Forces and Hamas, rather than denouncing the barbarity and terrorism on Oct 7th and ignoring Palestinian innocents being used as human shields in hospitals and schools, built over terrorist tunnels, funded by international aid.
And on and on…
Clearly, the causes of the moral rot on our campuses, in our culture, and institutions have been growing and metastasizing for decades. An inability to clearly call out the horrors of Hamas’ terrorist atrocities is not the root of the problem; it is the symptom of a deeper decay.
We can look away no longer. Evil is on the march and wears many faces. Afghanistan’s Taliban, Putin’s Russia, Iran’s Khamenei, his Palestinian “champions” in Hamas and Hezbollah, are all part of the same ominous movement. Xi Jinping’s commitment to “reunify” Taiwan likely the next domino to fall.
Thankfully, as happens in the darkest of times, there are heroes in our midst. Some are in this video, several have names that we know, others will never be known.
Like my recent songs “Blood on My Hands”, which was critical of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, and “Can One Man Save the World,” which we recorded in Kyiv in support of Ukraine, in my mind “OK” is not a political message, but a moral one. A call to action.
The final image of the “OK” music video is Martin Luther King and his historic call to every man and woman on this earth: “He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.”
This is a time for choosing.
We Are Not OK
– Five for Fighting’s John Ondrasik
One cannot help but observe the parallels between the situation extant in Israel and that of contemporary America. The vicious attacks mounted by the left against those whose political and philosophical opinions do not jibe with theirs is remarkably similar. In each case, those on the socialist/communist left seek the destruction of their political opponents, even to the point of destroying their own country! Leftists in Israel are willing to destroy their country in order to “get” Netanyahu; leftist here are willing to destroy the country to “get” Trump. Of course, Bibi and Donald are merely personified avatars for the group of people who elected and support them, which includes me and about half the rest of the citizens in the country. Picture, if you will, a lifeboat in which a number of passengers are drilling holes in the hull because they have a disagreement with their fellow passengers and you will see precisely the situation of which I speak. There is simply no making common cause with those seeking your destruction. Of course, the matter is more dire in Israel because it is surrounded by enemies without as well as within, both groups of which seek its destruction. “Live and let live,” although a worthy goal in the abstract, is not a viable prospect either in Israel or The United States. To be clear, I support the existence of Israel as a homeland for Jews and believe it has the right under any interpretation of international law to defend against the war initiated by Hamas, including the destruction of the territory governed by Hamas unless it surrenders. The Allies did so to the Japanese and Germans in WW II with the same justification. That this caused the deaths of “innocent” (i.e., those not actually engaged in actual combat) Germans and Japanese citizens was not wrong, although regrettable. Countries, like individuals, possess the right of self-defense, which includes the right to kill an aggressor unless the aggressor ceases and desists. Hamas has pledged to continue until it kills or ejects every Jew in Israel, so continued military action by Israel is justified. Allow me to further add that I oppose the introduction of islam into American society because it is antithetical to everything that is foundational to American society. Islam still holds in large degree the preachment of its alleged founder to kill its enemies if they refuse to submit. How can any sane person be sanguine about admitting hordes of people who hold to that foundational belief, unless they are simply too stupid to live or outright suicidal? Can it ever be thought rational to admit into one’s home a sworn enemy, in the hope that peaceful coexistence might result? Could the frog ever be thought rational which agreed to transport the scorpion across the river on its back? Could the outcome of that story ever rationally be hoped to be different? Yet, there are some–perhaps many–who believe that it could, whose irrational hope trumps reality in their disordered minds. I for one am not among them.
That was terrific, Steve.
(Could it be that you’ve already recovered?)
I think Israel’s response to this ICJ pronouncement ought to be similar to the Texas response to an order to allow federal agents in to cut wire: Pound sand.
What a novel thought that Glick mentioned; if someone says they want to kill you, you had better pay attention and believe them.
Appears that Jewish leftists in Israel – at least prior to Oct 7 – were/are no different than leftists anywhere; they live in a utopian fantasy world where everybody wants to live in peace and harmony and if you treat others with respect, they will treat you the same, and peace and harmony will prevail around the world.
One has to totally ignore or be ignorant of the lessons of history to believe this; the leftist mindset exists in a different solar system.
By the way, many people on the right are always annoyed with Jews for voting for the Democrats, but I rarely if ever hear people on the right saying the same thing about Asians.
I am annoyed with Asians for voting for Democrats. So there.
Of course, I am also annoyed with American Jews for voting for Democrats.
Regarding the Asians and Jews voting Democrat.
The other thing is that Asians have not really had the influence on institutions in America the way Jews have. Think Hollywood, members of the media, politicians, etc.
Obviously, Asian influence in America is growing. I keep hoping the Asian store keepers are noticing who supports law and order and who doesn’t.
To add to what Baker and Otter said, there’s also the fact that…
A: Asians are a much never demographic (or really sets of demographics) in the U.S. and were heavily discriminated against and had work to keep them out.
B: They do not make as appealing scapegoats on the whole now (as opposed to at the time).
And
C: Are even more divided and subject to dispute about who qualifies than Jews. Are Indians “Asian” for instance?
And
D: are at least perceived to be less reliable Dem voters than Jews due to how many of them were descended from refugees from communist brutality. Look around for old Vietnamese flags for instance.
In any case I find both to be frustrating and hard to understand. But then I also struggle to figure out why white men would vote for the Dems. Or much of anyone.
I would re-underline the point that many Israelis, such as the man I quoted above, are radical leftists.
Yet even a radical leftist may learn.
Here endeth the lesson.
they may be a plurality as we found out in the four predecessor governments to Netanyahu, that operated in concert with the Arab parties but not a majority, its just Bibi’s coalition partners are not as enlightened as say the intelligentsia wish,
like the Shas Haredi or the successors to Tekiya and Moledet, I’m doing this from memory
huxley:
From what I’ve read, he is rather typical of the changed minds of a huge number of Israeli leftists, post 10/7.
Turtler:
Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well – for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews). Very different groups from each other.
They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.
I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many – not all, but many – Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism. Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.
I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic in this post from 2015. You might want to take a look if you haven’t already seen it.
@neo
Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well – for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews). Very different groups from each other.
Indeed, and there are even more widespread or exotic groups, for instance the Chinese Jews (mostly called “Kaifeng Jews”), to say nothing of others such as converts, the Beta Israel from Ethiopia, and so forth.
But we’re still looking at the expansion of one family of creeds and intermarrying ethnicities in comparison to a giant continent (arguably THE Continent), and so the difference is still at least an order of magnitude.
They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.
indeed, quite true. And that is probably not getting any better.
I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many – not all, but many – Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism. Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.
I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic in this post from 2015. You might want to take a look if you haven’t already seen it.
Indeed, and I already have. It’s also a case where I can intellectually understand it to SOME Degree (especially since I tend to study, game, and play out a fair bit of 19th and 20th century history). But it is still jarring and frustrating, ditto with Asia.
Turtler:
Yes, very frustrating. I wonder whether it’s changing a bit, post 10/7. It certainly has in Israel. Some Jewish donors in the US are pulling back fron universities in the wake of those hearings with the 3 Ivy presidents. Jewish voters, however, as opposed to donors, are such a small group and so concentrated in places that are blue anyway that they hardly make a difference.
Standard disclaimer:
Most of the “American Jews” being discussed are only marginally affiliated with Judaism. Most have never visited Israel.
Like Liberation Theology Episcopalians they have read their new progressive faith into their inherited identity – always jettisoning the parts of the old faith that contradict Progressive post-Modernism.
It will be interesting to see how these people handle the collapse of that fiction.
Their counterparts on the Israeli Left are expected to react as they did after the 1973 war – which was also a crisis of confidence. In addition to moving away from the Left, many also re-explored Jewish heritage and embraced religious practice.
That is a less certain outcome in the diaspora, after several generation of assimilation…
These people are somewhat akin to the Mendelsohns and other Jewish families that assimilated completely during 19th-century Emancipation, whose descendants – completely ignorant of Judaism – found themselves being persecuted and carted off to camps for their Jewish blood.
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I was especially struck by the testimony of an Israeli from the Kibbutz Be’eri, which is allied with the Israeli radical left.
This kibbutz did all the Good Guy stuff they could to treat Gazans well and in return the Gazans used that friendship to map out their kibbutz for massacre and terror. (I couldn’t catch the Israeli’s name — Avi Something, I think.)
_________________________________
What’s the strategy here? It’s to look to the future and to ask the future of the nation of Israel, where it wants to be. I think that we, the residents of the Gaza border, were sitting 4 km from the border. We need to ask if we are capable of coexisting there.
The 7th of October showed that the level of evil there, coexistence is apparently impossible. We can’t do it anymore. Because we gave them everything. They even worked in our community. And in the end, we were proven wrong.
The way I see things today, the Gaza Strip has no right to exist. We reached the point where their children burned us alive in our shelters. The older ones shot us through the doors, and anyone who tried to jump out the window — they shot him again. Their elderly, on wheelchairs, and their handicapped, arrived at Kibbutz Be’eri [for care and medicaL treatment], and they looted us and kidnapped us as hostages.
We need to understand this situation. And when a person has infinite demands at negotiations, apparently, either we won’t be here, or they won’t be here.
We mustn’t leave. We have to rebuild this place. And we’ll build the Gaza border region. And we’ll return to Be’erri and it will be even better.
[Applause]
I am glad she got around to DEI in America. DEI is affirmative action on steroids for blacks especially, and to a lesser extent, Hispanics, Muslims , ” native American” and LGBTQ. DEI is overtly anti white, anti Christian, anti straight and especially, anti straight, white and Christian males. And guess what, many American Jews look white.
As far as lefty Jews wanting to be included on the beneficial side of DEI and not being there. They made their own bed by supporting DEI in the first place. Basically, they were trying to disenfranchise every straight , white ,person, especially, straight white Christian males and got caught in their own trap.
Unfortunately, It’s bad for all the rest of the Jews and pretty much all of the rest of American society in the long run.
The saddest thing to me in all of this is I know the Old Testament prophecy about the situation in Jerusalem right at the end of this age, just before Messiah. ( This is not even with New Testament additional comments) see the last chapter of the Jewish book of Zechariah.
Jon baker:
Most Jews in America are white, even leftist ones. Most Jews in America are straight, even leftist ones. Do you think they’re not?
Yes, I know most Jews in America are white. That is part of the problem for Jews now since ” white ” can be openly discriminated against now in America. Leftist whites, both Jews and non Jews, helped to bring about the anti white attitudes and systems. I guess they thought they would be exempt as long as they were an “ally ” of the non whites. As far as percent straight or gay , I have never looked at the numbers. But clearly there are many straight people that are pushing the LGBTQ agenda, including white women who are fighting FOR trans ” women ” in real women’s spaces. Personally, I think many lefties have unresolved personal guilt and they work to take it out on other people who look like them.
I have mentioned this before, but I have run across people on the internet claiming that the white Jews in Israel are not really Jews. These people claim that only dark skinned people can be Jews. In some cases, they claim only black people are the real Jews.
The anti white stuff is real, and ” white ” Jews are getting caught by it.
Jon baker:
I really think that most white leftists and/or liberals who were and still are in favor of DEI simply never thought through the consequences for white people but merely thought of it as a way to help black and brown people. For that matter, white leftists and Asian leftists didn’t think of the consequences for white and/or Asian people, either. By the way, many people on the right are always annoyed with Jews for voting for the Democrats, but I rarely if ever hear people on the right saying the same thing about Asians. And yet Asians vote for Democrats in nearly the same percentages that Jews do, about 62% on average, with Americans of Korean, Indian, and Filipino backgrounds at around 68%. Chinese less so but still Democrats, and only Vietnamese vote very slightly (51%) Republican. For Jews, it’s about 70% Democrat, but Orthodox Jews are 75% Republican.
Ms.Glick is amazing. Great discussion. Thank you.
We are not OK
On October 10th, 2023, the Mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, made a powerful speech, decrying the celebrations of Hamas massacres across New York City. His words of conscience “We Are Not Alright” begin my new song and music video “OK,” which addresses the barbaric Hamas October 7 attacks in Israel, and the global fallout that resulted.
Such is the theme of this song.
In short, “We Are Not OK.”
We Are Not OK as a nation when certain members of Congress refuse to condemn terrorists who kidnap and decapitate babies.
We Are Not OK as a world when the United Nations General Assembly rejects a motion to condemn Hamas and U.N. General Secretary Antonio Guterres seeks to “contextualize” the terrorism and atrocities of October 7th.
We Are Not OK when legacy women’s rights groups and global organizations supposedly devoted to women’s human rights have little to no comment after grandmothers, women, and young girls are raped, tortured, and murdered.
We Are Not OK when concertgoers celebrating in the desert are raped, massacred, and kidnapped at a festival for peace – and the majority response from music industry executives, artists, and Hollywood are lawyered statements loaded with cowardly apathy.
We Are Not OK when our flagship universities become harbors for gross antisemitism and radicalization, headed by presidents, boards, and faculty steeped in moral and intellectual corruption, who lack the spine to simply declare right from wrong.
We Are Not OK when leading media platforms seem more focused on creating narratives of moral equivalency between the actions of Israeli Defense Forces and Hamas, rather than denouncing the barbarity and terrorism on Oct 7th and ignoring Palestinian innocents being used as human shields in hospitals and schools, built over terrorist tunnels, funded by international aid.
And on and on…
Clearly, the causes of the moral rot on our campuses, in our culture, and institutions have been growing and metastasizing for decades. An inability to clearly call out the horrors of Hamas’ terrorist atrocities is not the root of the problem; it is the symptom of a deeper decay.
We can look away no longer. Evil is on the march and wears many faces. Afghanistan’s Taliban, Putin’s Russia, Iran’s Khamenei, his Palestinian “champions” in Hamas and Hezbollah, are all part of the same ominous movement. Xi Jinping’s commitment to “reunify” Taiwan likely the next domino to fall.
Thankfully, as happens in the darkest of times, there are heroes in our midst. Some are in this video, several have names that we know, others will never be known.
Like my recent songs “Blood on My Hands”, which was critical of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, and “Can One Man Save the World,” which we recorded in Kyiv in support of Ukraine, in my mind “OK” is not a political message, but a moral one. A call to action.
The final image of the “OK” music video is Martin Luther King and his historic call to every man and woman on this earth: “He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.”
This is a time for choosing.
We Are Not OK
– Five for Fighting’s John Ondrasik
One cannot help but observe the parallels between the situation extant in Israel and that of contemporary America. The vicious attacks mounted by the left against those whose political and philosophical opinions do not jibe with theirs is remarkably similar. In each case, those on the socialist/communist left seek the destruction of their political opponents, even to the point of destroying their own country! Leftists in Israel are willing to destroy their country in order to “get” Netanyahu; leftist here are willing to destroy the country to “get” Trump. Of course, Bibi and Donald are merely personified avatars for the group of people who elected and support them, which includes me and about half the rest of the citizens in the country. Picture, if you will, a lifeboat in which a number of passengers are drilling holes in the hull because they have a disagreement with their fellow passengers and you will see precisely the situation of which I speak. There is simply no making common cause with those seeking your destruction. Of course, the matter is more dire in Israel because it is surrounded by enemies without as well as within, both groups of which seek its destruction. “Live and let live,” although a worthy goal in the abstract, is not a viable prospect either in Israel or The United States. To be clear, I support the existence of Israel as a homeland for Jews and believe it has the right under any interpretation of international law to defend against the war initiated by Hamas, including the destruction of the territory governed by Hamas unless it surrenders. The Allies did so to the Japanese and Germans in WW II with the same justification. That this caused the deaths of “innocent” (i.e., those not actually engaged in actual combat) Germans and Japanese citizens was not wrong, although regrettable. Countries, like individuals, possess the right of self-defense, which includes the right to kill an aggressor unless the aggressor ceases and desists. Hamas has pledged to continue until it kills or ejects every Jew in Israel, so continued military action by Israel is justified. Allow me to further add that I oppose the introduction of islam into American society because it is antithetical to everything that is foundational to American society. Islam still holds in large degree the preachment of its alleged founder to kill its enemies if they refuse to submit. How can any sane person be sanguine about admitting hordes of people who hold to that foundational belief, unless they are simply too stupid to live or outright suicidal? Can it ever be thought rational to admit into one’s home a sworn enemy, in the hope that peaceful coexistence might result? Could the frog ever be thought rational which agreed to transport the scorpion across the river on its back? Could the outcome of that story ever rationally be hoped to be different? Yet, there are some–perhaps many–who believe that it could, whose irrational hope trumps reality in their disordered minds. I for one am not among them.
That was terrific, Steve.
(Could it be that you’ve already recovered?)
Verdict in:
“ICJ verdict: No order to end fighting in Gaza;
“International Court of Justice (ICJ) issues ruling on South Africa lawsuit accusing Israel of genocide.”—
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/384220
(I guess now all one has to do is READ THE FINE PRINT…. Could it be that the headline might be transformed to “Verdict In…Until It Is Changed”…?)
Related:
The (above) Right-of-Center website (or even further Right than that) has a rundown of related stories and events:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/flashes
– – – – – – –
Related (and profound), from Peter Berkowitz:
“The International Court of Justice on Trial”—
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/01/25/the_international_court_of_justice_on_trial_150378.html
H/T Powerline blog.
I think Israel’s response to this ICJ pronouncement ought to be similar to the Texas response to an order to allow federal agents in to cut wire: Pound sand.
What a novel thought that Glick mentioned; if someone says they want to kill you, you had better pay attention and believe them.
Appears that Jewish leftists in Israel – at least prior to Oct 7 – were/are no different than leftists anywhere; they live in a utopian fantasy world where everybody wants to live in peace and harmony and if you treat others with respect, they will treat you the same, and peace and harmony will prevail around the world.
One has to totally ignore or be ignorant of the lessons of history to believe this; the leftist mindset exists in a different solar system.
https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-rotten-edifice-of-humanitarianism
By the way, many people on the right are always annoyed with Jews for voting for the Democrats, but I rarely if ever hear people on the right saying the same thing about Asians.
I am annoyed with Asians for voting for Democrats. So there.
Of course, I am also annoyed with American Jews for voting for Democrats.
Regarding the Asians and Jews voting Democrat.
The other thing is that Asians have not really had the influence on institutions in America the way Jews have. Think Hollywood, members of the media, politicians, etc.
Obviously, Asian influence in America is growing. I keep hoping the Asian store keepers are noticing who supports law and order and who doesn’t.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?532945-3/michael-doran-benjamin-friedman-rising-mideast-tensions
To add to what Baker and Otter said, there’s also the fact that…
A: Asians are a much never demographic (or really sets of demographics) in the U.S. and were heavily discriminated against and had work to keep them out.
B: They do not make as appealing scapegoats on the whole now (as opposed to at the time).
And
C: Are even more divided and subject to dispute about who qualifies than Jews. Are Indians “Asian” for instance?
And
D: are at least perceived to be less reliable Dem voters than Jews due to how many of them were descended from refugees from communist brutality. Look around for old Vietnamese flags for instance.
In any case I find both to be frustrating and hard to understand. But then I also struggle to figure out why white men would vote for the Dems. Or much of anyone.
I would re-underline the point that many Israelis, such as the man I quoted above, are radical leftists.
Yet even a radical leftist may learn.
Here endeth the lesson.
they may be a plurality as we found out in the four predecessor governments to Netanyahu, that operated in concert with the Arab parties but not a majority, its just Bibi’s coalition partners are not as enlightened as say the intelligentsia wish,
like the Shas Haredi or the successors to Tekiya and Moledet, I’m doing this from memory
huxley:
From what I’ve read, he is rather typical of the changed minds of a huge number of Israeli leftists, post 10/7.
Turtler:
Jews are a surprisingly varied group as well – for example, the original Sephardic group, then the German Jews, then the Eastern European Jews, and then the Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries (later on, Russian Jews and Iranian Jews). Very different groups from each other.
They were heavily discriminated against in immigration during the time they needed it most, the 1930s and 1940s. They were until the second half of the 20th century also heavily discriminated against in many professions, in many universities, and socially.
I actually find Asian leftism more difficult to understand than Jewish leftism. Many – not all, but many – Jewish leftists are the descendants of people who fled Eastern Europe but who believed that the left there offered the best promise for the end of anti-Semitism. Turned out, of course, that they were wrong.
I dealt at length with the subject of why Jews tend to vote Democratic in this post from 2015. You might want to take a look if you haven’t already seen it.
@neo
Indeed, and there are even more widespread or exotic groups, for instance the Chinese Jews (mostly called “Kaifeng Jews”), to say nothing of others such as converts, the Beta Israel from Ethiopia, and so forth.
But we’re still looking at the expansion of one family of creeds and intermarrying ethnicities in comparison to a giant continent (arguably THE Continent), and so the difference is still at least an order of magnitude.
indeed, quite true. And that is probably not getting any better.
Indeed, and I already have. It’s also a case where I can intellectually understand it to SOME Degree (especially since I tend to study, game, and play out a fair bit of 19th and 20th century history). But it is still jarring and frustrating, ditto with Asia.
Turtler:
Yes, very frustrating. I wonder whether it’s changing a bit, post 10/7. It certainly has in Israel. Some Jewish donors in the US are pulling back fron universities in the wake of those hearings with the 3 Ivy presidents. Jewish voters, however, as opposed to donors, are such a small group and so concentrated in places that are blue anyway that they hardly make a difference.
Standard disclaimer:
Most of the “American Jews” being discussed are only marginally affiliated with Judaism. Most have never visited Israel.
Like Liberation Theology Episcopalians they have read their new progressive faith into their inherited identity – always jettisoning the parts of the old faith that contradict Progressive post-Modernism.
It will be interesting to see how these people handle the collapse of that fiction.
Their counterparts on the Israeli Left are expected to react as they did after the 1973 war – which was also a crisis of confidence. In addition to moving away from the Left, many also re-explored Jewish heritage and embraced religious practice.
That is a less certain outcome in the diaspora, after several generation of assimilation…
These people are somewhat akin to the Mendelsohns and other Jewish families that assimilated completely during 19th-century Emancipation, whose descendants – completely ignorant of Judaism – found themselves being persecuted and carted off to camps for their Jewish blood.