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  1. It’s amazing how shared hatred and resentment can bridge almost any idealogical gap. Hitler’s Germany found common cause with the Japanese Empire againt the West during WWII, just as Soviets and Islamists did during the Cold War, and Islamists and the modern Left today I guess.

  2. It’s amazing how shared hatred and resentment can bridge almost any idealogical gap.

    E.g., U.S. and Soviet Union in WW2.

  3. The lesser enemy of my greater enemy is my ‘friend’. Once our greater enemy is destroyed, then my friend resumes being an enemy.

  4. Of course he was a minor relative of the grand mufti hitlers enabler in the region one of whose chief aides was the father of the perpetrator of munich salameh

  5. Thanks for this. I wonder why the current US leftists seem to go along with the anti-Russian stance of the Democratic party, if they are in a sense fellow-travellers with a tradition that should bring them into alliance with Putin.

  6. Of course arafat had plenty of courtiers at the commodore hotel in beirut later in tunis (friedman among the worst) said thought arafat had gone back on the khartroum declaration which was restated by hamas (they both came from the brotherhood

  7. @James S

    Thanks for this. I wonder why the current US leftists seem to go along with the anti-Russian stance of the Democratic party, if they are in a sense fellow-travellers with a tradition that should bring them into alliance with Putin.

    A few reasons.

    Firstly: Many of them ARE. You just don’t hear about them much now because they are something of a dirty, embarrassing secret for the left now. This is a Ukrainian-focused English Language Soros Front Group, but it details many of the overlaps. You also see it with others like the idiots at The Gray Zone and Zeman in Slovakia.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/17/putin-reaching-far-right-europe-not-forgotten-left/

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2019/03/25/putin-winning-support-from-far-right-as-well-as-far-left-with-custom-targeted-propaganda-eidman-says/

    Secondly: Putin is more leftist than one might believe (especially the “Traditionalist True Conservatives” who seem to think he is a bulwark against globalism rather than a co-conspirator) but he is still a corrupt Russian nationalist kakistocrat with a desire to one up others, which is why he has a love of rope a dope-ing Western politicians, and especially US POTUSes, made worse by the tendency of Foggy Bottom trying to push a US-Russia alliance. Which resulted in predictable trends of early first term US Presidents appeasing Putin, getting upstaged or backstabbed by him, and then turning against him.

    Thirdly: The left has generally found it more useful to play the Russia Card to demonize and support crackdowns on domestic opposition than it has to cooperate with Putin (not that those two are entirely mutually exclusive, as Putin and Biden’s negotiations to help get Iran what it wants show, but they do show emphasis).

  8. Theyve only done this in the last few years, as pointed out the list of politicians who groveled to the soviets were numerous throughout the cold war kerry biden panetta

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  10. Nice write up. I’ve read something of this before. I’ve always believed Arafat was a corrupt Russian construct. I think Trump’s statement earlier this evening about the Abraham Accords is true. The Middle East was close to rejecting the perverse hatred of Israel that underlies the Palestinian cause and that is exacerbated and continued through the actions of Iran. This hatred distorts and damages the entire region. During the Trump Administration the Middle East was the closest it has ever been to a comprehensive peace. A second Trump term would have closed the deal.

    Doug Santo
    Ahwahnee, CA

  11. made worse by the tendency of Foggy Bottom trying to push a US-Russia alliance

    The CoDominion won’t happen, and they should give up trying to make it a thing.

    the list of politicians who groveled to the soviets were numerous throughout the cold war kerry biden panetta

    Ted Kennedy. Reached out to the Soviets to coordinate their efforts against Reagan.

  12. Turtler,
    I don’t recall Trump ‘…appeasing, getting upstaged or backstabbed by him…’

  13. Ah, Turtler, you must be referring, if somewhat cryptically, to the poetically-inspired (Bee Gees, perhaps?) “looked into his eyes (or was that “looked into his soul”?) and saw….”—though at this point I can’t remember exactly what Dubya saw—AND/OR the more prosaic Hillaresqe “RESET”…(if with the rather more sinister Obamish”…will have more flexibility…” lurking in the background…or, for that matter, the forefront…)
    – – – – – – – – – –
    …even as Doug Santo offers (or rather, rehashes) that superb explanation as to why “Biden” HAD TO “BE ELECTED” “President” in 2020…
    (…in other words, so that “he” could help the Mullahs in their pet project to take down both the Big AND Little Satans, something that Trump, that BYAD, BYAD MYAN, so UNGENEROUSLY—and, for many, so BOORISHLY—disrupted during that four-year interregnum, when HE had ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS being president…)

  14. The conflict in Israel is not between the Jews and Arab masses but rather between the Jews and a handful of wealthy effendi families like the Husseinis (Mufti, Arafat), Khalidis (Obama’s buddy at Columbia), Nashashibis, and Nuseibahs. The y have dominated the fellahin, peasants, of the region for centuries and continue to dominate Palestinian society.

  15. Don’t forget that the Arab (NOT Islamist) terrorists of the 1970s, like those who attacked the Olympics at Munich and engaged in a number of hijackings, assassinations, kidnappings, etc., were closely allied with the KGB and with other leftist KGB-supported terrorists, such as the Red Brigade, Baader-Meinhof, and Latin American revolutionary guerrilla movements. Peas in a pod.

  16. JimB — the terrorist groups were trained by the Soviets in camps in their client states.

  17. Now the husseinis are circassians like the dynasty that ended with farouk in 52, not bedoiun which are what the palestinians purport to be

    Of course joan peters thought they all come from albania, no matter like fidel was the bastard son on a fmr spanish soldier turned
    Landowner as was his brother raul

    Whose future wife vilma espin vouched for then snd the cias lyman kilpatrick believed them because she was the daughter of a bacardi exec

    Much like bin laden was the product of one of the lesser wives a syrian so he thought himself an outcast

  18. I don’t think Gamal abd el-Nasser was a Soviet puppet.
    ==
    Said had the influence he did because academe itself is rotten. If academe had been healthy, he’d have been ignored outside the realm of comparative literature and his voice would not have mattered at Columbia outside his own department.

  19. The conflict in Israel is not between the Jews and Arab masses but rather between the Jews and a handful of wealthy effendi families
    ==
    This is a fiction you’re peddling.

  20. The effendis seem to have millions of fans…

    At a guess, I would say you’re not particularly religious? Because those of us who are, realize that religion is a far more powerful motivator than any material or even political consideration.

    It’s the Islam, baby.

  21. Its a combo of religious and nationalism sentiments the british didnt generally interfere with land grants in that area

  22. Beverly:

    I am discussing how the LEFT – which is not religious – shaped the Palestinian message to the world so that it would appeal to leftists and many others around the world who could be activated in opposition to an Israel defined as racist and colonial. The post is not about the Palestinian motives, which are predominantly religious.

  23. I believe that Farouk did come from an Albanian family (a descendent of Muhammed Ali—18th C.)
    Then I thought maybe I should look it up in Wikipedia…and this is what they write:
    (Truly an interesting dude…and a veritable poster child for multiculturalism and diversity…)

    “…Early life and education
    He was born as His Sultanic Highness Farouk bin Fuad, Hereditary Prince of Egypt and Sudan, on 11 February 1920 (Jumada al-Awwal 21, 1338 A.H.) at Abdeen Palace, Cairo, the eldest child of Sultan Fuad I (later King Fuad I) and his second wife, Nazli Sabri.[4][5] He had Albanian, Circassian, Turkish, French and Greek ancestry.[6][7][8] [9] Despite the Albanian origin of his house, Farouk in common with the other members of Egypt’s Ottoman elite had more Circassian blood in him as Mohammad Ali the Great and his successors were fond of their Circassian slave girls, which were one of the most prized possessions of an Ottoman official.[10] Farouk’s first languages were Egyptian Arabic, Turkish and French (the languages of the Egyptian elite), and he always thought of himself as an Egyptian rather than as an Arab, having no interest in Arab nationalism except as a way of increasing Egypt’s power in the Middle East….”

  24. one of the few that stood against this was Moynihan (who often told hard truths)
    as Fords UN ambassadors*, andrew young, his successor was stupid and corrupt
    (he later turned out to be in pay of BCCI) and jean kirkpatrick, fought the good fight,
    *DeBorchgrave made him a hero in the Spike, his roman a clef investigating many of these left wing networks including IPA

  25. The left claims to support the rights of LGBTQ people

    This is not an accurate statement.
    There are many various parts of society from the rights to the left have the same position on this matter.

    https://youtu.be/FxB0LHvS4fg

    anti-Zionism is an anti-Zionist

    Let’s make clear anti-Zionism is NOT antisemitism NOT anti-Jewish. this mixes the truth with falls.

    Zionism is a nationalist movement, that has an identity of making a homeland on a land without people.

  26. Zeo:

    Take your propaganda elsewhere; you’re wasting your time here.

    By the way, the fact that a group claims to support something like the rights of gay people doesn’t mean that no other group supports it. Logic 101.

    For those who are interested in the topic of why anti-Zionism is usually anti-Semitism: see this as well as this.

  27. An excellent insight into how insidious and far-reaching the plans and actions of worldwide Marxism are. They are very clever and persistent. They will use any group or ideology if they can see a way to subvert and undermine the Judeo-Christian, democratic, and free market values of the West. The Palestinians and other Arab groups have merely been useful idiots for them.

  28. Johann Amadeus Metesky:
    The conflict in Israel is not between the Jews and Arab masses but rather between the Jews and a handful of wealthy effendi families like the Husseinis
    ———————————–
    There is/was a kernel of truth in this… when the architects of Oslo brought Arafat out of exile and gave him the West Bank as a prize, many old mideast hands bemoaned the opportunity to bring in some of these families, who had run Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan for a long time and were seen as more Westernized, less radical, and more practical. The theory was that as long as they got their status back – and a cut of the action – they would be more amenable to coexistence.

    We’ll never know. As a resident of Samaria I can tell you that the less radicalized Arab workers curse Arafat and the thugs he brought back with him – they decimated the local clan leaders and basically oppressed the locals like the IRA.

    The first-families theory has kinda-sorta worked out in relations between Jordan and Israel. Only recently have things been strained, as the royal family cemented and celebrated the Pali connection and identity.

  29. Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants — religious variants and secular variants — as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism — and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel’s opponents as racists.

    an American Jew was a Jewish American, just as an Episcopalian American or a Catholic American was an American first of all. They were unwilling to subscribe to any idea suggesting that the Jews were a race, separate and, as the antisemites would have it, unassimilable.

    that many antisemites were fervently pro-Zionist: the better to get rid of the Jews. After the Balfour Declaration of 1917, promising a Jewish homeland to the tiny minority of Jews then living in Palestine, Edwin Montagu, the only Jew in the British cabinet, observed: “The policy of His Majesty’s Government is anti-Semitic in result and will prove a rallying ground for anti-Semites in every country in the world.”

    This lack of recognition has been a major, perhaps the major, preoccupation of Israeli diplomacy. It might sometimes be the result of the rejection of people who hate the Jews, but among Jews it is the rejection of the idea of Zionism. It is a rejection of the idea of ethnic nationalism. It is a rejection of the idea of citizenship tied to race. Israel, far more than any other country that defines itself as “Western” or “democratic,” is still based on these ideas. And because it has increasingly, and now officially, come to define itself as a Jewish state, its defenders have often described its opponents as antisemites. The problem with this description? Many of those who share these convictions are, and always have been, Jews.

    Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.
    By Benjamin Moser
    January 2, 2024 at 6:15 a.m. EST

  30. neo on January 11, 2024 at 2:35 pm said:
    Take your propaganda elsewhere;

    Neo
    the above statement should be forwarded to yourself to teach you that “as a law student” should have a wide/open mind open to discussion, not Blind and Deaf.

  31. Zeo:

    As I said, you’re wasting your time. I already posted links that explained why most anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, and your comment wasn’t relevant or responsive to the issues raised there.

    I also don’t have time for deceptive sock-puppet trolls like you.

  32. yes that dissapointing on the part of the hashemites, seeing as abdallah’s grandfather, was killed by a bedouin, and then of course the black september uprising,

    herzl was certainly not the majority view when it started, but subsequent events
    punctuated the point, the bedouin tries like the nashibis had won some autonomy from the uprising against the Ottomans in 1843

  33. and jabotinsky the theorist of the betar which would become the likud was probably the most realistic, re the husseinis the preceding mufti to haj amin was more open to jewish migrations,

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