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Open thread 11/21/23 — 40 Comments

  1. Times of Israel liveblog of today’s developments (scroll away): https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-21-2023/

    Many articles pertain to an “impending” hostage “deal”, with somewhat unclear parameters as yet, though the many “stories”/rumors don’t appear salutary on their face. Just getting approval from the wider Israeli war cabinet may be difficult, to say the least. But see for yourselves, by all means.

  2. @TJ, He seems to be focusing on Trump there. I can’t read the rest without subscribing to his substack, so perhaps he moves on from Trump.

    But as to the grander question of how Democrats become so anti-free speech, the short answer is that in reality they’ve always wanted to ban speech they didn’t like no matter what they say. Of course they were/are very vocal First Amendment champions whenever they’re not in power. But once they have the levers of power, and in particular once their fellow travelers are in positions of being effectively information gatekeepers across the media and later across social media platforms, there’s a strong tendency to approve of silencing any criticism of the powers-that-be from conservatives.

    They suppress speech under the aegis of protecting the public from “misinformation” or “hate speech” which of course are terms defined strictly by them. It doesn’t matter to them that what they deem to be “misinformation” can often times turn out to be true. They just have to use some clever equivocation to cover for when said misinformation turns out to be true to continue to bamboozle the wider voting public who sadly have short attention spans and an unfortunate willingness to believe their nonsense.

  3. Back in 2008, they put the weights down for obama, and 2012, they doubled down, even though Romney is like warmed over cream,

  4. it is, the us government which wags the tail of Qatar and Iran,

    an area that is rarely covered in history, is what of the Communist candidate in 1932, Ernst Thalmann, he had a militia as well, he waged as much propaganda against the Social Democrats, as with the Nazis,

  5. Well…at least they have a sense of humor….
    Of sorts….
    “Maryland Hate-Crime Commission Official Compares Israel to Nazi Germany”—
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/maryland-hate-crime-commission-official-compares-israel-to-nazi-germany/
    Opening grafs:
    ‘ An official on Maryland’s Commission on Hate Crime Response compared Israel to Nazi Germany in a series of social-media posts and claimed that reports of Hamas murdering Jewish babies were “fake.” ‘
    ‘ Zainab Chaudry is the Maryland director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and was appointed to the hate-crime commission by Maryland attorney general Anthony Brown in August. Made up of 20 stakeholder representatives, the group is designed to “develop strategies to prevent and respond to hate crime activity and evaluate state laws and policies relating to hate crimes.”…’

    (Gotta love the “develop strategies” part! Perhaps they should think about changing that to “un-develop strategies”, though…)

    Anyway, sure looks like Maryland hit the jackpot with this gem!

  6. This seems like a mistake. I hope this isn’t a result of U.S. pressure.

    Mike Plaiss:

    I’m not objecting. I would like to hear more detail on your opinion.

    I’m fairly naïve when it comes to Israel vs the World.

  7. Another chapter in the age-old battle of octopus against baby bottle!

    If the human race craps out, the octopus will be running the show in 50 million years. Count on it.

    The octopi are a patient species.

  8. Literally an alien intelligence. Fascinating.

    Rufus T. Firefly:

    It’s a scientific possibility:
    ___________________________________

    Trending Science: Do octopuses come from outer space?

    A scientific paper claims that these wondrously smart undersea animals are actually aliens brought to Earth by meteors.

    Admit it. If you’ve read this far, you’re intrigued, aren’t you? But wait, it gets better from here. How about frozen octopus eggs riding a meteor to Earth 540 million years ago?

    A paper published in the journal ‘Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology’ looked into the origins of life here on our planet. A team of no less than 33 researchers explored several theories. The one that catches the eye is that cephalopods, namely squid, octopus and cuttlefish, may have originated from somewhere other than Earth.

    https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/123479-trending-science-do-octopuses-come-from-outer-space

  9. That’s it, I will never again order octopus, no matter how delicious it sounds. I’ve loved to watch these critters for years and I have only seldom ordered them at a restaurant, but it’s time for me to allow my feelings about the animal to dictate my behavior.

  10. But…that should be enough time to teach ’em to play “fetch”….

    File under: “A Boy and His Octopus”…

  11. Hmmm.
    Might one wonder if the Ukraine “War” has outlived its usefulness now that the Middle East is in chaos—“creative” chaos, no doubt (TRANSFORMATIVE chaos!)—and the Mullahs have been enormously empowered and fabulously funded by…oh, well, the usual suspects…

    ‘US Mission To NATO Signals Zelensky Must Sit At “Negotiating Table” ‘—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-mission-nato-signals-zelensky-must-sit-negotiating-table-first

    (OTOH, once one realizes that NOTHING can be believed, then is ANY speculation worth the pixels it’s written on…?)

  12. miguel cervantes, when I went to Weimar in the early 90s, I happened across a statue of Thälmann a few blocks from the rail station. That was my first exposure to him, I believe. I remember wondering who the heck that was.

  13. That’s it, I will never again order octopus, no matter how delicious it sounds.

    Jaime:
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    While walking along the Red Sea in Soma Bay, Egypt, a family came across a helpless octopus who was stranded in the sand, dehydrated and dying before their eyes. Without hesitation, they pushed the octopus back into the sea. The octopus took a few minutes to reacclimate to the water and then swam away.

    [Then the next day, according to the family]]:

    “While walking along the beach we saw a shadow in the water coming very quickly to us. It was the octopus we rescued the day before, he recognized us! He followed us for a long time while we walked along the beach, all the time trying to touch our feet. We are sure that this octopus came back to thank us for saving his life. It’s amazing how intelligent animals are.

    We named him Kurt.

    And we will never eat Octopus again…”

    –“Grateful Octopus Returns to Shore to Thank the People Who Saved His Life”
    https://laughingsquid.com/octopus-thanks-rescuers/

    _______________________________________

    Excuse me. I’ve got something in my eye.

  14. Employing brain scans and sophisticated heuristics-based imaging, a neurological study of dreaming octopi recently published in the Cephalopodological Review found that many of the reveries of these intelligent creatures involved thwacking dead Greek fishermen against rocks. Karma chameleons!

  15. Le Mot Juste, that was funny! But isn’t it so that each arm has its own brain, somehow? Do these eight brains (or nine, if there’s a master brain in the middle) all dream in concert, or are they taking separate paths? What if the brain scans were only capturing the output of one of the nine, and perhaps not the most crucial one at that?

    As to the video, I wasn’t expecting the octopus to rip out the stopper, although there’s nothing wrong with that; I had half a thought that it might find an ingenious way to collapse the bottle in the middle somehow and thereby break it open, or – my pipe dream – maybe it would grab that little small live fish, eat its flesh and use the little stripped bones from it to fashion some mini-cutlery with which to reach deftly into the bottle and render the larger prey fish in there into thin little slices that it could then extract through that small aperture that was the initial focus of attention. Now that would have been quite something.

    (Maybe the octopus did indeed think of that, but decided not to pursue that option so as not to frighten the researchers too much with the overwhelming might of its intellect. Because if an octopus were to betray its true abilities like that too soon, you know, measures would have to be taken….)

  16. Rufus T. Firefly:
    Literally an alien intelligence. Fascinating.

    Please tell me your ‘literally’ was figurative. Despite the paper published for clout Octopi have a very long and noted history on earth replete with fossils dating back to the Carboniferous. They share DNA with the rest of us. Yes, they do some strange things with it but so do the ciliates.

    Our oldest octopus fossil is Pohlsepia @296my ago and a progenitor fossil, Syllipsimopodi, @330my ago.

    Strange and wonderful earthlings. 🙂

  17. Oligonicella,

    Agree regarding octopi being earthlings, but I meant literally regarding their intelligence. Their environment is so different from the environment humans evolved in their existence allows us to study an intelligence that appears to be at a high level, yet may be very different than ours.

  18. Mr Sells:

    Your stimulating speculations — particularly the exciting mini-cutlery concept — invite several intriguing directions for pioneer research. Tentacles crossed that someone in a position to pick up the baton may be a Neo reader.

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