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Open thread 5/17/23 — 42 Comments

  1. Rather long, but fascinating (to me) interview by John Stossel with Ramaswamy. I know, I know..polling at 5%, no chance, but I’m get more and more impressed each time with him. I really hope to see him on the debate stage. I do think he needs to find a way to get himself more exposure; that seems to be his weakness. All the media cares about is Trump-DeSantis.

  2. Good news in NC: The legislature overrode the governor’s veto, and elective abortion is now legal only through twelve weeks, with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. In effect, it will be ten weeks, the FDA-established limit for use of the abortion drug mifepristone. Clinics which do elective surgical abortions will now need to meet the standards for other outpatient surgical clinics. None of them qualify today (that should be enough to turn the stomachs of even abortion supporters).

    This means that the surgical dismemberment of growing babies because their mothers don’t want them will end in NC. For the time being, women can still drive north to Virginia, where elective abortion is legal to about 26 weeks.

  3. physicsguy, I am impressed with Ramaswamy. I hope he will be effective in moving the Republicans’ Overton window to the right.

  4. Read the Steve McIntyre twitter feed. Durham was a pathetic whitewash. He didn’t even try.

  5. I’m just ranting, today:

    BBC News said that: Ex-Prince Harry + Ex-Princess Meghan, were in a “nearly catastrophic, two hour car chase”.

    Harry and Meghan claim that, after an award ceremony in New York State, that: paparazzi reporters…”relentlessly chased them”, by following their car.

    My gosh. Really my man? Was that your only option to that problem?

    There are police in The USA, to protect [all] of the people in The USA.

    Did you consider pulling into a parking lot, + calling the police for help?

    …Or you could have just stopped your car in a lot, + just stared at the reporters, with a bored stare, until the reporters went away.

    Being very famous in the USA, + being rich in the USA, gets you followed by reporters. Unfortunately, that’s how it is.

    If you don’t like this part of Western society, you are allowed to move to a nation with a [harsh + no nonsense]: police + government.

    I’m not saying you [have to], but moving is an option.

    There are nations whose police will beat a guy up + arrest him, for- causing trouble for the cops, or for causing trouble for rich/important people.

    Maybe you’d be happier living in a “no-nonsense”, stern nation like that, instead of living in The United States.

    Oh wow.

    If I was a snarky-personality type of a guy, I’d start calling him: Whining Prince Harry.

    My goodness.

    Being rich + famous can have its down sides, I am told.

    Perhaps you can use your $10 million US dollars, to hire a person to help you with your wealth + fame? I think that you could do that.

    Wow. I’d like to try: having his $10 million, and his problems, for about a year. I’d like to experiment with that type of scenario. I know some good accountants. Let’s give it a try. [rolls eyes].

    Finally, in all seriousness, I hope that Ex-Prince Harry, + his family, find a way to solve their new, publicity problem. Best of luck, my good man.

    Cheers.

    Here’s a link to that story:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65625886

    p.s.- (I couldn’t get the comments function to give me noticeable paragraphs. Please pardon my comment, for looking like: one, large paragraph).

  6. TR–

    Now you just know that Meghan orchestrated the entire stunt in order to upstage her father-in-law and the horseface he married (well, Caligula honored his favorite horse Incitatus with a staff of 18 servants, had a marble stable built for him with an ivory manger, and dressed him in imperial purple, so Charles can call the former Mrs. Parker Bowles his consort). . . . Anyway, you can see from the photos at the link that Meghan is grinning from ear to ear, delighted with the attention she’s getting from the photogs:

    https://nypost.com/2023/05/17/nypd-investigating-prince-harry-meghan-markles-car-chase/

    And of course, Mr. Markle has to remind us all of the role of the paparazzi in his mother’s death: he says that he “grieves for his mother every single time I see a camera, every single time I hear a click, every single time I see a flash.” There seem to be two drama queens in that marriage.

  7. The tremolo in Hurdy Gurdy Man is so creepy sounding. probably on purpose but it doesn’t help that it was theme music in Zodiac.

  8. TR:

    I’m not the least bit keen on either Harry or Meghan. But in this case I’m inclined to cut him some slack, due to the fact that he probably has PTSD for that type of situation, given that his mother died that way when he was still quite young.

  9. That story about Ex-prince Harry and Megan is so stupid. They were attending a Ms Foundation Women of Vision Awards ceremony, where Megan received an award. For what? She has vision because she married Prince Harry, and then bitched about it?

    Of course, Harry has a current court case in the U.K. where he claims that the U.K. is still obligated to pay for his security. Which just coincidentally dovetails with this paparazzi story.

    Neo, It all sounds a little too convenient to me.

  10. I love Vivek. It’s enough for now for him to get out there and be heard, maybe slap around a few talking asses. Dude is only 37?!?

  11. neo-the story is designed (probably by the grifting wife) to call back to Diana’s death. It’s preposterous bullshite, of course, but designed so the kind-hearted will cut them some slack. Harry’s been using Mom as an excuse his whole life.

  12. AMartel:

    As I said, I’m not at all keen on them. And they are often purveyors of “preposterous bullshit.” However, any car chase, however mild, could bring up the memory of the very real tragedy that blighted his childhood.

  13. Harry is still a Prince and a Duke and MeAgain has titles which derive from her marriage.
    ==
    I’m not inclined to cut Harry slack on the security matter. Jacqueline Onassis and Mr. & Mrs. Richard Nixon shlepped around in their last years without a security detail and the nonagenarian Bess Truman was guarded by one guy in a parked car. His cousins don’t have goons following them around.
    ==
    The public antagonism to the Prince is delineated here. He doesn’t need goons. He needs to shut up and so does his ho’.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCqvJW1kIv8
    ==
    Harry’s been using Mom as an excuse his whole life.
    ==
    No, he hasn’t. (She was still alive for the first 13 years of that life, for starters). Harry put in ten years in the Army; he’s a combat veteran. He did not, prior to 2018, have a history of unsightly ‘oversharing’. What’s distressing is that MeAgain located his vulnerabilities and persuaded him to make an a** of himself in the public square while driving a wedge between him and the rest of his family.
    =
    Of course there was no reason for the Ms. Foundation to give MeAgain an award. It’s frivolous, but since when has the Ms. Foundation been any better than that?

  14. Harry and Meghan claim that, after an award ceremony in New York State, that: paparazzi reporters…”relentlessly chased them”, by following their car.
    ==
    Don’t attend scheduled events where you’re the headliner. Don’t make scenes in public places. Their assignment editors will get bored with you.

  15. Remember when a bunch of us were going to drink Miller or Coors instead of Bud Light?

    That was awesome.

    The ads referenced here predate the Mulvaney partnership, but the Right blogosphere only just got caught up lately.

    They’re ALL woke, and they’re too big to go broke. If you want to make an impact you really have to change all of your consumer habits. The big corporations are not our friends.

  16. You are a sweetheart!

    From Breitbart:

    UPDATE: New York police officials reportedly rejected Meghan and Harry’s claims of a “near catastrophic”, although they did admit that there was a “bit of a chaotic scene”. https://t.co/CJrRPNMA4K

    — Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) May 17, 2023

    According to a report from Sky News, two New York police officials said that they did not believe that the incident was “near catastrophic”, although they did admit that there was a “bit of a chaotic scene”.

    A timeline of events provided to the news broadcaster claimed that Meghan and Harry left the Ziegfeld Ballroom at around 10 pm with a team of private security with the intention of returning to where the California residents were staying on the Upper East Side.

    The couple’s car was reportedly escorted by an NYPD vehicle for about an hour and fifteen minutes as they drove around trying to prevent paparazzi from learning where they were staying. They were then driven to the 19th police precinct where the police helped them get into another car and go back to their residence undetected by the press.

    By AMartel:
    So apparently the NYPD has nothing better to do than escort delusional useless idiots around Manhattan and hide them from nonexistent adoring crowds.

  17. AMartel:

    That is exactly my point about PTSD.

    Harry’s mother was killed in a car accident when being chased by paparazzi. His childhood was also marked by plenty of paparazzi. He was twelve years old when Diana died. I am just about certain it was HIGHLY traumatic for him.

    So any incident that would be the least bit similar could be highly traumatic to him even now. He wasn’t making this one up entirely; there was some sort of incident that he exaggerated, apparently. But the nature of PTSD is that small incidents that awaken the fear of the original incident can loom very large.

    I think Harry is basically pretty awful. But that doesn’t mean I need to badmouth him in this case. I think he’s had very real tragedy in his life, and any amount of being chased by paparazzi when in a car could absolutely tap into related trauma.

  18. TR:

    Sounds like another episode of South Park ( the Worldwide Privacy Tour) is needed. Maybe to be called
    “the Never Ending Car Chase.”

  19. yes the hopsmaker desire to commit harikiri is something,

    now frankly I wouldn’t be with a furlong of Gotham, but thats their prorogative,

  20. “They’re ALL woke, and they’re too big to go broke. If you want to make an impact you really have to change all of your consumer habits. The big corporations are not our friends.”

    And that’s the reality. The left has very successfully shifted the culture so much that even corporate board rooms are woke. And with the now in-your-face corruption in the government, I don’t see much hope for the future of the country. The AB boycott is just a small speed bump in the corporate road to not selling products but pushing the party line.

    Just take a look at Adidas now selling women’s swimsuits using male models. Riley is appropriately upset, but unless all normal women boycott nothing is going to happen.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/riley-gaines-nancy-mace-others-rip-adidas-womens-bathing-suit-model

    I’m making a Gibson for my before dinner cocktail…may have to make it a double.

  21. FOAF:

    Mathis used vibrato, not tremolo.

    Donovan shares the tremolo honors with Barry Gibb, who often used tremolo and also often used vibrato. Gibb could do almost anything with his voice: high, low, soft, loud, chest, head, gentle, growly, falsetto, vibrato, tremolo.

    Tremolo is less common than vibrato.

  22. They’re ALL woke, and they’re too big to go broke.
    ==
    They trade in comestibles with ready substitutes.

  23. It sounds to me like Harry’s response is exaggerated; he does have retained trauma from what happened to his mother. At least they were not riding around NY with a chauffeur high on something and no seat belts (one hopes). Are Harry and Meghan really so important and popular that the press would bother this much with them? There are celebrities all over Manhattan. And does the NYPD routinely provide escorts for private citizens going to celebrity events? Harry is not a representative of either his country’s government or of his country’s monarch.

  24. I think Harry is basically pretty awful.
    ==
    No. Pathetic and embarrassing because manipulable. An example of how virtues in one realm are not identified with and can be weakly correlated with virtues in another realm. (George H.W. Bush was a stellar example of this, as is Mitt Romney).

    ==
    But that doesn’t mean I need to badmouth him in this case. I think he’s had very real tragedy in his life,
    ==
    He’s 38 years old. You’re very likely to have had some hard knocks at that age, even when you’re not a combat veteran. Shouldn’t be pestering the NYPD or the British security services to enmesh themselves in your drama.

  25. And that’s the reality.
    ==
    It’s beer. Drink something else. They and their competitors have marketing budgets to maintain their market share. Either they quit abrading their customers or they wreck their brands.

  26. Art Deco:

    Are you really interested in quibbling about the definition of “awful”? It’s not synonymous with “evil.” It can certainly include “pathetic, embarrassing, and manipulable.”

    Losing one’s mother in a terrible accident at the age of 12, and then having to deal with it under the eyes of the worldwide public and the news, is the sort of trauma that most people don’t have to deal with. Of course, some have to deal with worse, and do well in life. But many struggle with the aftereffects of trauma at such vulnerable early ages, and Harry had quite a lot to deal with at a vulnerable age.

  27. Hi neo,

    Yep, I agree- I think that it would be cool for people to give Harry some slack, due to his traumatic experience with his mother’s death + the paparazzi-reporters’, + the high-speed car(s), involved in that tragedy.

    On a different note- it does sometimes bug me as- A person who lives on an American, middle class budget, to hear some famous people complain about their life challenges when: 1) they have $3 million…which is more money than I would ever need, or 2) they have $10 million…which is more money than I could ever, reasonably spend.

    Thinking of car crashes- **trigger warning** –

    I’ve been in over three, major car crashes, myself, So I [might, if this is what Harry is feeling], understand [a little] of any PTSD that Harry might be feeling.

    I was in one car accident with my family, when I was a young kid.
    After the accident, the doctors told my family that one of my parents wouldn’t live though the week. Luckily, she proved them 100% wrong.

    After she went through that experience, the doctors told my family that- “she’ll live, but- she’ll never walk again, and she’ll never get full use of her legs, again”.
    Luckily, again, she proved the doctors 100% wrong on all counts. She also lived a long + happy, + productive life, after she came home.

    So, in all seriousness, yes- I heartily agree that car accidents, + other accidents, can put a lot of PTSD or traumas, into people.

    I’m really hoping that Harry + all his family are doing well after this event, with all the reporters, and the like.

    Cheers.

  28. Hi om,

    I would LOVE it, if they made that into an episode of South Park! 😀

    Have a Cool Day. 🙂

  29. Thanks for the responses, Everyone. 🙂

    This is a topic that was enjoyable to discuss. 🙂

  30. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2023/05/17/there-but-not-all-there-after-three-month-absence-dianne-feinstein-insists-she-has-been-in-the-senate-all-along-n1696133
    ==
    Dianne Feinstein doesn’t know where she’s been the last three months. Note, this is a woman who, with her husband, had a net worth of $96 million according to some sources. Yet, she runs for re-election in 2018 at the age of 85. She runs even though her husband was diagnosed with lung cancer two years earlier. (He died 15 months ago).

  31. Feinstein is a very sad case. Her staff has reportedly been covering for her, and doing her job for her, for years. She has a daughter. If I had an elderly mother in this condition I’d consider stepping in legally.

    Another medically sad case is Sen. Fetterman. He is unable to ask questions and process information in hearings. My daughter the speech pathologist tells me that the kind of damage he has does not affect intelligence; it’s a communications disorder. He has to know that he can’t do the job, and it seems to me that his depression may very well return.

    I am without any agreement with Feinstein’s or Fetterman’s politics, and also without agreement with whomever is keeping these people in positions which are obviously not good for them.

  32. Re: The Stanley Brothers

    As a carom from M J R’s comment on “Finger Poppin’ Time” by “Hank Ballard & The Midnighters” to the “Stanley Brothers” cover, I’m enjoying a Stanley Brothers retrospective.

    These were special people with special music. If the truth could be told, I say Bluegrass is just White Blues — an organic upwelling of musical spirit within a hardscrabble group and with near-infinite possibilities.

    Carter Stanley was the songwriter and guitar. He died early from cirrhosis. In the spirit of Hal Holbrooke’s evocation of Mark Twain, Gary Reid created a one-man show based on Carter Stanley:

    –“A Life of Sorrow — the Life and Times of Carter Stanley”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEQy-BcKW8

    Ralph Stanley played banjo, sang harmony and became a Country icon.

    –“Ralph Stanley Biography HD From TNN ‘The Life and Times'”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnM9bn3eUcI

    Note to neo: Ralph attributes the Brother’s vocal success to the special ability of family members to harmonize.

  33. Are you really interested in quibbling about the definition of “awful”? It’s not synonymous with “evil.” It can certainly include “pathetic, embarrassing, and manipulable.”
    ==
    I didn’t like your term, because it does not refer to his precise qualities.
    ==
    Losing one’s mother in a terrible accident at the age of 12, and then having to deal with it under the eyes of the worldwide public and the news, is the sort of trauma that most people don’t have to deal with. Of course, some have to deal with worse, and do well in life. But many struggle with the aftereffects of trauma at such vulnerable early ages, and Harry had quite a lot to deal with at a vulnerable age.
    ==
    He is currently estranged from his family and has conducted himself for the last several years with zero dignity. I’m not inclined to attribute that to a misfortune which occurred when he was 13. His brother is not conducting himself this way. Neither did his grandfather, whose family life was during his adolescent years a disaster. Neither did the Queen’s Kent cousins, who lost their father at six and eight respectively. Some of my co-workers when I was 38 found me distasteful; it would never have occurred to them to ponder my domestic situation at age 13 or make any reference to it at all.

  34. Art Deco:

    I think he’s awful in many ways, not just in the ways described by the adjectives you used.

    And you’re employing a strawman argument if you think I’m saying that Harry’s more general awfulness was caused by his mother’s death when he was 12. Actually, I was quite clearly saying his reaction to even a minor car chase by a paparazzi is probably a result of trauma from that incident in which his mother died – plus his own experiences as a child with paparazzi round almost constantly.

    Nor do people react to a traumatic incident in the same way.

  35. As to the AB debacle, two words: “Transheuser Busch”.
    😀

    Spread it and keep it alive.

  36. From an article I’ve read I’ve learned that-

    Art Deco is correct: Harry is still,…legally, a Prince in the [British?] Royal Family, although he 100% doesn’t want to be a prince.

    Harry wants to 100% stop being a prince, but, as I understand it: there is no [legal] way [in the UK laws], for him to give up being a prince, and neither is there [a family tradition, in the British Royal Family], to give up being a prince/to stop being a prince or princess.

    So, AFAIK: Harry has given up his Royal [Family] duties, but he’s still (the 5th or 6th?) in line to be the King/Monarch of the British Royal Family, if he is needed to fill that position.

    I suppose, if they officially made him The King, that he could abdicate that position.

    People have abdicated the position of The King, aka people have abdicated The King’s/The Monarch’s Throne, in the past.

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