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  1. This is not unusual in physics. There’s a reason that for a long time it was called natural philosophy. Scratch many physicists and you will find not too far under the surface a theologian/philosopher. Certainly true in my case, and for many others that I know. Not that many subscribe to any organized religion, but there exists a definite acknowledgement of “something greater”. Einstein stated it nicely with: “I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.” Certainly inline with Newton. And the biologists and chemists get a bit annoyed with that statement. 😉

  2. Nice. Very much in keeping with my limited knowledge of the historical connections between science and theology. Though I didn’t know of Newton’s “heretical” beliefs.

    I think I already mentioned here a terrific biology teacher I had in high school who was a nun and expressed to my friend and I that she believed that understanding science brought her closer to the almighty.

    Most people don’t appreciate the extent to which the very early great universities and their natural philosophy efforts were efforts of the Catholic church. I had guessed (based on no information) that there were bound to have been a number of scientists of that era who had no genuine interest in theology or Catholic dogma who nonetheless signed up for it so that they could do the science. So Newton is a case in point. Very interested in theology but not a believer of standard Christian dogma.

  3. Definitely worth the time to read.

    From Naomi Wolf, “https://www.frontpagemag.com/opening-boxes-from-2019/”

    Found via Ace of Spades. The posting at Ace mentions Wolf’s essay as it discusses our descent from a high-trust society to one that is low-trust to “no trust” at all.

  4. Colson wanted to burn it down because they contained the proofs against the pentagon papers

  5. Re: Brookings Institution.

    I had seen that info. when it came out. Brookings always seemed to cultivate the rep. that it was moderate, sensible, and perhaps cleaner than many think tanks. The news was a “Yup, the rot goes deeper than people suspect” moment for me. Though not terribly surprising.

    I’ve been watching the 3rd season of “Narcos” on Netflix. It is worth seeing just for the portrayal of Carlos Hank “El-Profesor” González. I think that even those of us who follow the money in politics still underestimate the importance of the money angle. To some extent outfits like Brookings are conduits to fund/employ political operatives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hank_Gonz%C3%A1lez

  6. Brookings is owned by china and qatar read accordingly they sponsored ths lawfare project against trump

  7. From Miguel’s link on the EU’s developing energy calamity:

    welcome to the “subsidize demand and arrest anyone who tries to take advantage of the price caps” stage of the greendemic of darkness sweeping the globe as deeply unserious people propose deeply unserious “solutions” to entirely avoidable problems of their own making.

    Deeply unserious people. Ha. Or deeply serious nihilists or sociopaths.

  8. Donald J. Trump v. United States of America

    It’s all about the 100 or so classified documents. So the burning question is what’s so critical that the fate of the nation rests in not allowing an outside special master to look at them? Especially a special master that oversaw warrants that may have produced the information.

    “In any event, even if Plaintiff had declassified any of the approximately 100 seized records bearing classification markings while he was still in office, the government’s “demonstrated, specific need” for those records, United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. at 713, would easily overcome any asserted claim of privilege. For obvious reasons, the Intelligence Community (“IC”) would have a compelling need to understand which formerly-classified records have now been declassified, why and how they were declassified, and the impact of any such declassification, including on the IC’s protection of its sources and methods and on the classification status of related records or information. The Department of Justice (“DOJ”) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) would also have a compelling need to review any purportedly declassified records as part of the government’s investigation into the adequacy of the response to the May 2022 grand jury subpoena, which sought “[a]ny and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings.” D.E. 48-1 Attachment C (emphasis added).
    Furthermore, the government would need to consider the records’ prior declassification as relates to the application of 18 U.S.C. § 793. See D.E. 69 at 14 (explaining the relevance of classification status in such matters).”

    Here’s the crux of the matter to me: Even if the President had declassified the documents the state still doesn’t want a special master with security clearance who worked in the FISC from seeing them.

    I really, really want to know what’s in those documents, especially since the state doesn’t want me seeing them!

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.88.0_5.pdf

  9. September is National Preparedness Month and tornadoes are possible early next week.

    Fortunately, we have developed the first-ever “tornado alarm” that will wake you up at night if (and only if) your home is in the path of a tornado. The service works 24/7. Details are here: http://www.mikesmithenterprisesblog.com/2022/09/tornadoes-possible-early-next-week.html

    In the last 10 months, damaging nighttime tornadoes have occurred in Bowling Green (with 12 fatalities), Springdale, Ark., and south Kansas City. If you live east of the Rockies StormWarn is as important as a smoke alarm.

  10. It may be easy to overlook what he says at 6:00, that the theology of Newton and his age (he was far from unique in these views) is really naive compared to that of EARLIER Christian theology. That is CW within the field, but entirely unknown to those outside. It is counter to the (small-p) progressive narrative of the arc of history.

  11. Kate, at my old school there was/is an externally funded program specifically for “under represented” students in science. The students were selected out of high school and got a up grade for admission despite what their HS record might have been. They also got research positions during the summer prior to freshman year over established students. I will admit some did well and succeeded, but the majority either switched to non-science majors or dropped out. The really insulting thing about this program was its name and what these students were called: “Science Leaders”. I always thought that it was quite demeaning to all those science majors already enrolled without any special privilege working their butts off, yet these others were the “Leaders”

  12. Roll-aid, re: Naomi Wolf.
    I have eyed Ms. Wolf with skepticism for some time, but admire her independence. It took courage to do what she has done. When Naomi Wolf is buying and learning how to use firearms for self protection, one ought to pay attention. I recently saw her on an episode of Tucker Carlson Today. It was quite interesting. I welcome her re-birth and look forward to reading more of her writing.

  13. The CDC just racked up two PR humiliations as well as two public health disasters: first, the WHO added the United States to its list of countries with poliovirus outbreaks: Inclusion on the WHO’s polio outbreak list is a new low point for the US. On the one hand, it reinforces a key global public health message in the campaign to fully eradicate that virus, which is that “any form of poliovirus anywhere is a threat to children everywhere.” But it mainly spotlights the dangerous foothold that anti-vaccine sentiments have gained in the country over the past several decades.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/us-officially-added-to-whos-list-of-poliovirus-outbreak-countries/

    Second, “The Epoch Times reports that Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC), has finally admitted to what most of us had already assumed: The CDC lied when it came to researching adverse effects of the vaccine.”

    I don’t have a subscription to the Epoch Times, but its relevant Twitter post can be read at the link, as well as an account of Senator Ron Johnson’s harsh letter to Walensky about the CDC’s refusal to supply “the data it supposedly generated in order to track adverse vaccine events.”

    https://conservativesdaily.com/cdc-finally-admits-it-lied-about-covid-vaccine-safety-monitoring

    Now that wokism has infiltrated medical schools and the wider medical profession, we’re in for some difficult years ahead.

  14. Re Newton and Theology. The Evolution of Man and Society, whose author was the British geneticist Darlington, made an interesting point regarding religion and scientific advancement. For the 17th through 19th centuries, nearly all of the scientific and engineering advances in Great Britain came from religious Dissidents- dissenters from the Anglican Church. Such as Puritans, Unitarians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Quakers, et. al.

    Until the mid-19th century, only adherents to the Anglican Church- or feigned adherents to the Anglican church- could be associated with the great Oxbridge universities. After the Restoration, the agreement of Clarendon stated thus. Oxbridge trained Anglican ministers and government officials.

    In the colonies, the Puritan cleric Cotton Mather was a big advocate of vaccinating for smallpox. Ben Franklin’s brother, in his capacity as a newspaper publisher, was a vehement opponent of vaccination. Disclosure: my Puritan ancestors converted to Quakerism, and left Massachusetts for Pennsylvania soon after the establishment of the Pennsylvania colony. (So they left Massachusetts for Pennsylvania several decades before Ben Franklin made the same move.)

  15. physicsguy, the NYT had an article several years ago about the “exclusion” of blacks from the math professoriate. Apparently only about 0.7% of the tenured math professors at the leading universities (~50 of the top ones, IIRC) are black. Which constitutes exclusion, etc. The NYT journalist, an American Studies graduate from UMichigan-Ann Arbor, had no idea that the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education had an article circa 2006 which pointed out that blacks constituted 0.7% of those scoring 750 or above on the Math SAT. Which informs me that blacks constituting 0.7% of tenured math profs at top schools tracks rather well with Math SAT scores.

    But seeing that most of those groomed for the STEM program didn’t stay in STEM is no surprise. The book Mismatch informed us that prospective STEM students have a greater tendency to graduate as STEM students if their SAT scores are closer to the class average. (As a STEM graduate of a flagship state university who spent his freshman year at a school a step below the Ivies, I can understand that. )

  16. In the colonies, the Puritan cleric Cotton Mather was a big advocate of vaccinating for smallpox.

    The problem with smallpox vaccination in the mid-eighteenth century is that it was difficult to standardize inoculations in that period. Jonathan Edwards– another Puritan cleric– was also a proponent of smallpox inoculation, and underwent the procedure shortly after he became president of the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University) in February 1758. He died from the adverse effects (as we would say today) of the inoculation on March 22, 1758.

    OTOH, George Washington mandated smallpox inoculation for the soldiers of the Continental Army in 1777 after an earlier attack on Quebec failed due to the number of soldiers weakened or killed by smallpox. Washington wrote to the medical director of the Continental Army as follows: Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running thro’ the whole of our Army, I have determined that the Troops shall be inoculated. This Expedient may be attended with some inconveniences and some disadvantages, but yet I trust, in its consequences will have the most happy effects.

    There is a long article on smallpox inoculation in the Boston area and its role in the Revolutionary War here:
    https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/smallpox-inoculation-revolutionary-war.htm

    Smallpox inoculation was required for all soldiers in the U.S. Army in all wars from the Revolutionary War up through WWI, when typhoid vaccine was added to the list. By WWII, all soldiers and sailors were required to receive six different vaccines (including smallpox and typhoid), and those deployed to tropical climates had to receive an additional six.

  17. Neo– FWIW, I had the same problem Kate did about reaching the site, and at the same time (11 a.m. EDT). Maybe something happened to the server at that particular time?

  18. PA Cat:

    Probably.

    The host has its glitches at times. I don’t think my host is any worse than most on that score. At any rate, it’s been pretty good in recent years till the last month or so. Hopefully it will iron it all out soon.

  19. Neo: Re the host’s glitchy server: I’ll just blame Pete Buttigieg [don’t need a /sarc tag]!

  20. Genius is not inoculation against error. Newton got some things right and some things wrong, as do we all.

    Some here may recall the wonderful story of the obscure British mechanical genius John Harrison who developed the first reliable means for ships to determine their longitude at sea.

    After a terrible shipwreck off Britain’s coast with the loss of hundreds of lives, Britain held a contest with a great prize for the discovery of how to do so. (the navigator thought they were farther away from the coast than they were and a storm blew them onto a rocky shore)

    Newton was on the prize board and repeatedly refused to allow the awarding of the prize to Harrison for his
    “marine chronometer”. Newton was adamant that the discovery would center in the field of astrology. When his belief in the veracity of astrology was disputed, Newton replied, “Sir! I have studied it, you have not!”

    After many years and much confirmation of Harrison’s device from sea captains, Newton reluctantly withdrew his objection and Harrison was finally awarded the huge prize.

    “John Harrison (3 April [ O.S. 24 March] 1693 – 24 March 1776) was a self-educated English carpenter and clockmaker who invented the marine chronometer, a long-sought-after device for solving the problem of calculating longitude while at sea. Harrison’s solution revolutionized navigation and greatly increased the safety of long-distance sea travel.”

    PS: Harrison’s first great clock, using lignum vitae wooden self-oiling gears is still in operation today and keeps time rather well.

  21. GB: you’ve got your story mixed up. Newton was dead when Harrison presented his first chronometer. There was a lot of skullduggery involved in Harrison actually getting the Longitude prize, which was about the equivalent of $ 1 million today. There were members of the Longitude Board who tried to cheat him out of the money.

    All three of his first chronometers and the final prize winning one are on display at the Greenwich observatory in London. The contrast is quite stunning. The first three are large clockworks that sit on a desk. The final one is a very large pocket watch, a truly remarkable decrease in size.

  22. Einstein stated it nicely with: “I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.”

    –physicsguy

    One of my favorite God-science stories:
    _______________________________

    Many years ago, while Mr. Wouk was conducting research before writing the ambitious historical novel that became “The Winds of War” and “War and Remembrance,” he contacted Mr. Feynman, one of the fathers of the atomic bomb. How, the novelist asked, could he begin to understand the technological advances that had enabled the Allies to develop the superweapon to achieve victory in World War II? Mr. Feynman advised that he learn “the language of God,” calculus.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/18/book-review-the-language-god-talks/
    _______________________________

    Mr. Feynman is, of course, Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize winner and one of the great physicists of the second-half of the 20th C.

    As well as author of the wonderful memoir, “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman!”, which I think most people would enjoy reading.

    Herman Wouk gave calculus a shot “with limited success.” Calculus is genuinely tough. If there is a language of God, calculus is a good candidate.

    Invented by Newton in the UK and Leibniz in Germany.

  23. @ huxley > in the video, the narrator says that Newton believed his discovery of calculus would enable him to learn about the mind of God, so Feynman may be paraphrasing that quote, as he would certainly be familiar with it.

    I have read his memoir, “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman!” and it is a hoot, giving some insight into the mind of one particular physicist, who is also a bit “heretical” in his ways (although I know nothing of his theology).

  24. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

    Science is, with cause, a logical space and practice in the near-domain.

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