When I played that just now my dogs started barking, but they soon let the parrot quiet them down.
I don’t know how many are aware of this, but Robert T. Bigelow is a billionaire aerospace industrialist who is very interested in UFOs, the nature of consciousness, psychic phenomena, survival after death, and the nature of the “other side”—see, for instance, his involvement in intensive, on the ground studies of the “high strangeness” phenomena at the “Skinwalker Ranch” in northern Idaho.*
In 2020 he established the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies**, and recently offered a $1.8 million dollar prize, to be divided among those who produced the best essays giving proof of the survival of human consciousness after physical death, as judged by a panel of distinguished evaluators.
All of the top 14 winner’s interesting essays plus an additional 15 honorable mention essays have been published on the Institute’s website, and are available to be read here at https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/contest_winners3.php
I’m asking this question, because I would like people to discuss, in a serious tone, about military tactics, meaning tactics in the War in Ukraine:
Currently- [Russia’s government + military] are waging a war against Ukraine, to try to take over Ukraine.
President Biden and The US Military are currently fighting Russia’s military, by sending anti-tank weapons, and I believe anti-tank missiles, and possibly other weapons, to Ukraine’s army.
I believe- The US, as a nation, is buying, a source says- [between 12 million to 26 million barrels of crude oil and petroleum from Russia every month.]
[why] are we, The US, buying needed oil from a nation, that we are currently fighting in a [war?]
At any time- Russia could use this move as a tactic-
Russia could get mad at The US for supplying weapons to Ukraine, the country that Russia is now fighting in a war.
Russia could decide: “Oh, you’re giving weapons to our enemy and fighting us, while we fight them…[them meaning Ukraine]. Well, we’ll STOP SELLING OIL to The US, for fighting against [us] in this war.”
Isn’t it impractical to fight against Russia in a war, while buying supplies from them, at the same time?
Isn’t it impractical to fight against any nation, in this way?
What do people think about this matter?
(Here is a link, where I got the number/statistic of- buying 12 million to 26 million barrels of oil):
Higher gasoline prices are due to “price gouging” by … somebody.
I suppose if you are a democrat voter you believe everything your elitist masters
tell you.
Most normals though …
[why] are we, The US, buying needed oil from a nation, that we are currently fighting in a [war?]
As to why? Since our leadership have significantly curtailed domestic production to appease the unfortunately extremely influential climate zealots, we’ve been buying from Russia to keep oil prices from climbing into the stratosphere (which of course is happening anyway). I highly doubt you’ll find anyone around here that will dispute how patently idiotic it is to off-shore a large portion of our energy production to nation states that despise us under some notion of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Isn’t it impractical to fight against any nation, in this way?
Of course. But we’re dealing with an idiotic and impractical leadership who favors nonsense and sophistry and false narratives over reality. A leadership that’s been foisted upon us through the ceaseless efforts of a fully corrupt main stream media and tech oligarchy.
The parrot is parrotting what he has heard the humans say/do, like “stop it” and “be quiet” and whistling and saying “good boy.” It has the same relationship to the humans in it’s life as Democrats do the media sources in their lives.
We have been buying oil, as Nonapod points out, to try to keep our gas prices low. Are we now, this day actively buying oil, don’t know, but there is Russian oil headed our way, via Russian tankers, that have been paid for. My understanding, which may be very limited, is that the Oil Brokers have stopped buying Russian oil, not because of any sanctions, but for the fear there will be sanctions. The SWIFT actions also put a crimp on buying Russian oil.
India and of course China continue to buy Russian oil, not sure about Turkey. Turkey seems to be fence sitting.
TR,
I think it is absolutely idiotic. The fact that any nation that is capable of meeting its own energy needs internally would not do so is incomprehensible.
Thanks for the link, Snow on Pine. Checking the site out now…
What, and I’m both asking for a friend and just spit balling here, what if Putin is right? Lenin put two Russian dominant regions in the Ukraine to mess with the Ukraine. See how Europeans formed countries in Africa with two tribes that hated each other. Vassal states are easier to control if they have internal chaos. So first, make the regions independent. That happened after the CIA and Soros helped the coup in 2014. Putin claims Ukraine approved forces have been shelling the regions. What if Ukraine is a hill Davos and Putin are willing to die on?
What does it mean when a country goes into NATO? My suspicion is a military upgrade and alignment will happen. In WW2, trucks from one country would create ruts in the dirt roads. Trucks from other nations would break their axles in the ruts. NATO solution? Uniformity in trucks. So, I would bet a nation going into NATO needs air power uniformity. Military air fields will need stocking of parts, tools, and armament for NATO compliance. Not a small thing.
TR,
“I’m asking this question, because I would like people to discuss, in a serious tone, about military tactics, meaning tactics in the War in Ukraine:
Currently- [Russia’s government + military] are waging a war against Ukraine, to try to take over Ukraine.
President Biden and The US Military are currently fighting Russia’s military, by sending anti-tank weapons, and I believe anti-tank missiles, and possibly other weapons, to Ukraine’s army.”
Putin does not want to take over the Ukraine. He wants a demilitarized, neutral Ukraine acting as a permanent buffer state between Russia and NATO. To stay neutral, Putin must have a ‘Russia friendly’ Ukrainian government.
Zelensky’s gov. accepted heavy militarization of the Ukraine and was conducting a campaign pushing for the Ukraine to join NATO.
Zelensky is supported by Klaus Schwab’s WEF, which includes much of the EU’s and NATO’s political leadership.
Factions within NATO are receptive to accepting the Ukraine for inclusion into NATO, which has officially stated that at some point, the Ukraine will become a NATO signatory.
The US government is NOT fighting Russia’s military. Biden giving $350 million to the Ukraine is for the purchasing of ordnance and weapons. Think of FDR supplying England prior to Pearl Harbor.
In case you needed a reminder, an obtrusive portion of the young admitted to state research universities are simply awful human beings, and that quality of awful has a political expression.
Lenin put two Russian dominant regions in the Ukraine to mess with the Ukraine.
The Ukraine has the proximate boundaries of the Ukrainian Republic formed under the provisional government in 1917.
See how Europeans formed countries in Africa with two tribes that hated each other. Vassal states are easier to control if they have internal chaos.
Can you think of an example? You cannot actually form territorial states in Tropical and Southern Africa that are tribally homogeneous. Some places have more inter-tribal antagonism than others. Where you’ve had persistent violence, the distinction was multilayered, with confession superimposed on tribe (Chad, the Sudan), among lineage groups sharing a language (Somalia), between the principal tribe and all the others (Uganda), and between geographically intermixed tribes (Rwanda and Burundi). In which of these areas was it actually the object of the metropole to generate this situation?
So first, make the regions independent. That happened after the CIA and Soros helped the coup in 2014. Putin claims Ukraine approved forces have been shelling the regions. What if Ukraine is a hill Davos and Putin are willing to die on?
Actually, what Putin pealed off was two segments of the Donetsk and Luhansk region by manufacturing militias there.
While we’re at it, there was no coup, much less one run by George Soros. The only official who departed the country was Victor Yanukovich, because the security forces would not defend him (and neither would his own political party). There have been five competitive elections in the Ukraine in the last eight years, ample opportunity for the Russophile parties to win back their position. They’re good for about 16% of the vote (v. > 40% a dozen years ago); that’s VP’s 3-D chess mind at work.
Putin does not want to take over the Ukraine. He wants a demilitarized, neutral Ukraine acting as a permanent buffer state between Russia and NATO. To stay neutral, Putin must have a ‘Russia friendly’ Ukrainian government.
He was forced to take over Ukraine, but actually he isn’t taking over Ukraine. That is just your lying eyes deceiving you and I. Or not.
Someone said something about reality and stupidity recently IIRC.
Geoffrey Britain:
I have disagreed with Tucker Carlson on most foreign policy questions for as long as he’s been broadcasting. He is naive and foolish, and the best thing I can say about him is that he’s consistent about that.
He hasn’t a clue what Russia wants and is taken in by Russian propaganda combined with wishful thinking.
Nor does Russia get to dictate what a neighboring country wants to do and whether it wants to ally with other peaceful countries of Europe and remain an autonomous country. Putin has said over and over that Ukraine is not a real country and is actually part of greater Russia. I wonder what part of that Tucker and others on the right who agree with him fail to understand.
TR: “[why] are we, The US, buying needed oil from a nation, that we are currently fighting in a [war?]”
To be fair, the Biden* Admin is considering alternatives. For example, buying oil from …. Iran.
We all need to keep in mind that the MSM, the professoriate, the celebs and the Dem Party have all stampeded in one direction.
Be careful of giving credence to any high-minded reasons for their actions.
Israeli journo visits Babi Yar Holocaust Memorial, says it is unscathed. UA officials said RU had destroyed it. https://gab.com/PrisonPlanet/posts/107892621881569425
Israeli journalist Ron Ben Yishai visited the site on Wednesday to take photographs, discovering that the memorial was in fact “unscathed.”
As Chris Menahan notes, “The false claim Russia bombed a Holocaust memorial was perhaps the top story on social media on Tuesday and was repeated by virtually every major controlled media outlet as though it was fact.”
This story appears to be legit, however. Ukraine Pres plays the piano. Forty odd seconds. Quite odd, in fact. https://youtu.be/HbmZrzN3WFE
There’s an Israeli journalist free to wander about Kyiv and take pictures of serene memorials? I do think at this point that we need to be careful about any claims from either side. “The fog of war” and so on.
(Heh, what are the odds they’re high-fiving like crazy for that sophomoric sleight of hand?)
Folks, “Biden” is in “fooling-all-the-people-all-of-the-time” territory (or “mode”, if you wish). And they’ve been there for such a long time that it’s become a principle of faith, an ethic, a credo.
At this point I’m not sure they could tell the truth even if they wanted to….
“Permanent solutions to short-term (so-called) problems”?
Heh, they’re not looking to find solutions for anything. Problems, on the other hand? Problems they’re looking to create in droves.
In fact, “The ‘problem’ is the ‘solution'”…
Kate: “There’s an Israeli journalist free to wander about Kyiv and take pictures of serene memorials?”
Yes, I appreciate your skepticism but note that Caroline Glick seems to buy into it. Also, the reporter guy’s name is given. Anyone can contact him to see if there are holes in the story.
Just when we need a knowledgeable, strong, courageous, visionary, and steady hand at the helm we get this crew of clowns.
I can’t think of anything good for either the Ukraine or for the U.S. coming from their bumbling, blinkered, ill-informed efforts, given the current clueless residents of the clown car now in charge of the Presidency, our foreign policy, and defense.
By the time this crew is finished with their misguided mischief and fumbling, will the U.S. have any friends, allies, or standing in the world left?
I’m foreseeing a nightmare.
My bad. Skinwalker Ranch is in Utah, not Idaho.
Snow on Pine:
I think the nightmare is already upon us, and I fear it will deepen.
I hate being this pessimistic, but that’s what I see.
JimNorCal, I saw some of Zelenskyy’s comments about the memorial and the alleged bombing. He described the memorial as part of a larger site, including graves, where Soviets had built some things on top of that, including the TV tower which was apparently the Russian target. So I don’t know.
@ Geoffrey Britain
“The US government is NOT fighting Russia’s military. Biden giving $350 million to the Ukraine is for the purchasing of ordnance and weapons. ”
I’m not trying to start a flame war, but-
doesn’t that leave the chance of- Russia sees the US giving money-for-weapons to Ukraine, + then Russia says that’s the US giving weapons, or money-for-weapons, to Ukraine…(this) Ukraine that Russia says- is Russia’s enemy… the country attacking Russia in a war?
Can’t Russia say- that this action is [the same] as a nation giving weapons to Ukraine?…and that this action is same as [fighting against Russia in a war]?
TR,
Whether a technical argument might be made that the US supplying money to Zelensky’s government is effectively waging war upon Russia, I don’t think that Putin will insist upon that being the case, as Putin doesn’t want to get into a nuclear war any more than we do.
Art Deco,
“Zelensky’s gov. accepted heavy militarization of the Ukraine and was conducting a campaign pushing for the Ukraine to join NATO.” G Britain
“Per the World Bank, the ratio of military expenditure to nominal domestic product is 0.041 for the Ukraine and 0.043 for Russia.”
The Ukraine’s expenditure of 0.041 of its GDP of $155.58 billion US dollars doesn’t account for the extent of militarization.
As 0.041% of 155.58 Billion is $635 million. That may sound like a lot until you consider that, “The average unit procurement cost of fighter aircraft produced in the NATO area is $112.43 million”. So in one year, Ukraine’s entire yearly military expenditure would buy them 5 fighter aircraft and a bit of fuel and ordnance. Which would of course leave no money for any other part of the Ukraine’s military. It seems a bridge to far to imagine that the Ukraine, since 2014 built all those bases and the ordnance and military hardware for those bases on that budget… demonstrating that they had a lot of outside help.
Your derision at the assertion that Putin does not want to reincorporate the Ukraine into Russia, implies that Putin wants NATO on his border. Or are you implying that after the Ukraine’s conquest Putin intends to make war upon NATO?
Your understanding of Putin is incomplete because you refuse to consider Russia’s view of NATO upon its border as intolerable.
Your response to the possibility of nuclear cruise missiles just 13 minutes flight time from Moscow is to insist that NATO would never resort to that threat.
Perhaps I missed it but I can’t recall you responding to my pointing out that it doesn’t matter whether NATO would install that grave a threat to Russia, only that the Russians cannot afford to extend that level of trust to the West…
You don’t allow someone you don’t trust to put a knife to your throat based solely upon their assurance that they won’t cut your throat. Whether the lack of trust is justified is irrelevant. Trust must come first before vulnerability can be contemplated.
@Geoffrey Britain
Those are somegood points.
I don’t mean to say,,,right now…that Russia, or NATO, has the best idea of what Ukraine should do, but-
[this is based on my opinions, only]- I can see why Russia, in theory, might feel nervous or antagonized, if Ukraine joined a group like NATO.
A neighboring country saying to me- “HI, we used to be your friend, but we just joined a military alliance…an alliance that is here to stop you from attacking anyone”, could make me feel kind of slighted, if not worried, that a neighbor has just joined an alliance, an alliance that sees me as a possible foe.
In my dream world- Ukraine would say: [OK, we will not join NATO, but we, [Ukraine + our friends], will always keep the military right to defend ourselves from others].
[Some irony follows]- but while I’m busy wishing, I wish that Santa Claus would bring me- a Porsche, 10 million dollars, and a pony. (Heh, heh!)
Geoffrey:
It is interesting that you critique the level of my understanding of Vlad. It seems that you have bestowed upon yourself that “understanding” based on what, magical Geoffrey power? Assumptions are what they are. You aren’t in Vlad’s head or heart. But we have seen what Vlad has done and part of what his military is doing currently.
Regarding what I choose to respond to from you I’ll quote the Hogwaller child from “Oh Brother Where Art Thou?”
“You ain’t the boss of me?”
And if you trott out “your lack of response to my argument x, y, or z is, proof that my point is correct” well you might want to look at that quote again.
Regarding what the Vlad can accept, note I say Vlad not the “Russians,” who made you their spokesman or gave you such “profound’ insite into current Russian thought? Assumptions and self regard are based on what exactly? Don’t tell me you have cornered the market on rational thought, logic, and facts.
We do not agree on this. Oh well.
Geoffrey Britain:
You write to om: “Your understanding of Putin is incomplete because you refuse to consider Russia’s view of NATO upon its border as intolerable.”
I think just about everyone here has “considered” that point of view on the part of Putin. I just don’t see why it should inform the actions of the West.
One of Adolf Hitler’s first major foreign policy initiatives after coming to power in 1933 was to sign a non-aggression pact with Poland in January 1934. This move was unpopular with many Germans who supported Hitler but resented the fact that Poland had received the former German provinces of West Prussia, Poznan (Pozna?), and Upper Silesia after World War I under the Treaty of Versailles. However, Hitler sought the non-aggression pact in order to neutralize the possibility of a French-Polish military alliance against Germany before Germany had a chance to rearm in the aftermath of the Great War…
…[T]he policy of appeasement was closely associated with British prime minister Neville Chamberlain. The objective of this policy was to maintain peace in Europe by making limited concessions to German demands. In Britain, public opinion tended to favor some revision of the territorial and military provisions of the Versailles treaty.
When Hitler finally decided to do something about that INTOLERABLE situation in Poland, and when he felt militarily ready (the Allies had allowed Germany to re-arm a couple of years earlier), he invaded. I believe he thought that Britain and France and the rest would be too weak to do much to counter him effectively.
When Hitler wanted the Sudentenland and they agreed at Munich (in order to fix that INTOLERABLE situation), Hitler promised “to resolve all future conflicts peacefully.”
Then in 1939:
Despite Hitler’s promise at Munich and Anglo-French guarantees to defend Czechoslovakia, the Germans dismantled the Czechoslovak state in March 1939. Britain and France responded by guaranteeing the integrity of the Polish state. This did not deter Hitler, who was determined not to be dissuaded from war by either threats or concessions. On April 28, 1939, he announced Germany’s withdrawal from the non-aggression pact signed with Poland just over five years earlier. Hitler went on to negotiate a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union in August 1939. The German-Soviet Pact, which secretly provided for Poland to be partitioned between the two powers, enabled Germany to attack Poland without the fear of Soviet intervention.
On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. To justify the action, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland. They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany. The SS, in collusion with the German military, staged a phony attack on a German radio station. The Germans falsely accused the Poles of this attack. Hitler then used the action to launch a “retaliatory” campaign against Poland.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes. It’s rhyming right now, and it is you who have the “incomplete understanding.”
When I say it rhymes, I don’t mean that Putin is Hitler. He has a different outlook and different aims. And yet his aims are similar, and right now his methods and arguments are being revealed as similar, too. Also like Hitler, he didn’t want to show his hand till he felt ready and till he felt certain that the west would have a weak response. He has shown his hand now – at least partially. I think he’s capable of much greater brutality than he has shown in Ukraine so far. He wants people to buy the “it’s just about NATO” argument, and many seem to be buying it.
neo,
Since I didn’t refer to Tucker’s opinion but to Col. Douglas McGregor’s POV regarding the conflict, are you suggesting that he too is naive and foolish?
Do you consider George Kennan, Henry Kissinger, former US Ambassador to Russia James F. Collins, CIA Director William J. (Bill) Burns and Poli-Sci Prof. John Mearsheimer, all of whom share McGregor’s POV regarding Russia’s viewing NATO expansion to be a threat, as also naive and foolish?
“Nor does Russia get to dictate what a neighboring country wants to do and whether it wants to ally with other peaceful countries of Europe and remain an autonomous country.”
That sounds fine, until one considers that Russia does not view NATO as a peaceful alliance, given its actions in Kosovo and Libya.
The West has militarized a Ukraine that seeks to join a NATO that has already stated that at some point it will become part of NATO.
That militarization and utter disregard for Russia’s repeated insistence that the Ukraine remain a neutral buffer State, greatly lessens Russian trust in NATO insisting it to be a defensive alliance.
Dismissing Russia’s concerns amounts to telling it that its fears are unfounded and silly, which is patronizing at best. And that, their right to self defense does not extend to keeping potential nuclear threats 13 minutes flight time from Moscow.
Geoffrey, that dead pony is well and truly beaten.
Should I quote LT. Col. Vindmann, or General Mark “White Rage” Milley, or General Collin Powell?
Weak. And don’t move to Moscow.
I met a Russian woman this evening, an immigrant from the Soviet Union, now a US citizen and passionate about American freedoms. She’s running for county office as a Republican, and says she sometimes has nightmares that her children, US born, will wake up some day in the totalitarian country she left.
Not related to Ukraine/Russia, but okay on an open thread, I hope: has anybody noticed the virtual disappearance of Tony Fauci from the airwaves? “If you’re looking for the infamous Dr. Anthony Fauci, you might want to check your local television stations, or some random YouTube channels, because the man has seemingly joined the primetime cable milk carton. . . . with [an internal] memo [from a Dem polling firm about the unpopularity of ongoing COVID mania with the general public] came the simultaneous sidelining of Dr. Fauci. . . . The NIAID’s ‘Dr Fauci In The News’ website, which throughout COVID Mania, has tracked hundreds of its director’s major media appearances, has not posted a new appearance since February 17.”
Needless to say, Dr. Narcissus isn’t taking his time-out gracefully– he’s continuing to warn people about the ongoing danger of COVID on a local DC TV station.
I too know a Russian woman who has lived her for about 20 years. She loves America and cannot believe that so many Americans view Communism or Socialism favorably. She is not shy about calling people out on it and sharing her perspective from growing up in a Communist country. 🙂
You can’t just move military forces of the size being advanced by the Russians without a lot of logistical preparations which would give some advance warning that such a major movement was going to be taking place.
This situation in the Ukraine has been brewing for a long time–and I may be giving our intelligence agencies too much credit–but I’d think that we would have had a lot of advance warning that Putin’s military forces were gearing up to march toward their border with the Ukraine.
It should also have been obvious that warnings, denunciations, and economic pressure were very unlikely to deter Putin.
Presuming we had such warning, and we were serious about keeping the peace that has prevailed in Europe for many decades until very recently, and preventing the Russians from invading the Ukraine, it would have been the obvious and prudent thing for NATO members, including the U.S., to do to very publicly activate and move some troops closer to Russia, and for NATO and the U.S. to transfer a major amount of immediately useful military hardware to the Ukrainians–things like massive numbers of Javelin anti-tank missiles and man portable anti-aircraft missiles, anti-aircraft missile systems, secure communication systems, very capable radar systems, mortars, heavy machine guns, long arms and handguns, mines, major amounts of ammunition, and perhaps even some tanks or aircraft–U.S. A-10 Warthogs would likely have been very useful indeed.
(I would assume that items like tanks and aircraft would require a good bit of training for the Ukrainian military to use them effectively, so turning them over when the Soviets were already marching on the Ukraine, or even on Ukrainian soil would mean they might not be able to be used immediately, when the need for them was greatest, or used to their greatest effectiveness.)
So, since those steps or similar ones (viewed, I’m sure, as just too “provocative”) were not taken, we now have the Russian’s invasion of a sovereign nation, a war that could widen and–depending on how desperate the Russians become–could possibly involve chemical or even battlefield nuclear weapons, plus the potential for an extended guerrilla war in the Ukraine that could last for many years; perhaps even including a “foreign volunteer” situation having some of the features of the Spanish Civil war of the 1930s.
Just now saw a report that after Soviet forces had shelled a Ukrainian nuclear power plant–reportedly the largest in all of Europe–there were fires around the plant.
What kind of idiot do you have to be to shell such a facility, and take the chance of causing another Chernobyl, or releasing deadly radiation?
Snow On Pine:
It’s the release of radioactive contamination, fallout, that is spread. Gasses, liquids, and solid particles that are radioactive. It gets in the surface water, groundwater, soil, and air. Some gets taken up by plants and animals, Spread the joy for Roosia!
What kind of a maniac would risk that? Vlad Putupon.
But NATO! Just ask Jen.
@ Amartel > “The parrot is parrotting what he has heard the humans say/do, like “stop it” and “be quiet” and whistling and saying “good boy.” ”
From which I concluded that the owners have not taken obedience lessons with their pet, because there is nothing less effective than continually giving the dog these orders without backing up your requests with action.
And when you do that properly, then you don’t have to repeat them so much your parrot gets in on the act.
PS We recently had a parrot as a house guest for a few days, and he generally imitated the dogs at his home, rather than the owner.
The propaganda push from the U.S. government is actually quite remarkable to watch unfold. I mean seriously, there’s a point when you don’t go all-in because there has to be an exit option. We are in very tenuous place, because no one is thinking about an off ramp…. it’s full speed ahead.
If Lindsey Graham, Joe Biden, NATO, the EU, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, Word Economic Forum and the multinational corporations in this alliance of Public/Private geopolitical partnerships, succeed in the fight against Vladimir Putin – I promise you, we are not going to like the world on the other side of their victory.
A few weeks ago, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sent a clear and specific message to citizens in Canada when he sanctioned the trucker’s bank accounts. Joe Biden, NATO and EU are right now sending a clear message to the citizens of the world, as they sanction Putin’s bank accounts and the Russian economy.
If you can’t see the connection, you are not thinking carefully enough about it.
Everything will be different now.
“Booty-gag is back from [p][m]aternity leave?”–I believe we’re calling it xaternity leave now.
The head of NATO has just announced that, despite whatever promises NATO might have made in the past to defend the Ukraine if it were attacked, NATO will not come to the aid of the Ukraine. The Ukraine is on its own.
Well, now we know just what NATO and it’s promises are worth. Nothing.
P.S. This invasion of the Ukraine is exactly the kind of Russian aggression that NATO was supposedly founded to prevent and, if necessary, to fight against. And while the Ukraine is not currently a member of NATO, there sure seem to have been a lot of assurances that they would soon become a member.
Well, here is a clear cut Russian aggression, and NATO reveals itself afraid and impotent.
Moreover, if I remember correctly, a few years back, in 1994, the Ukraine gave up the nuclear weapons it had on it’s territory after Russia withdrew, based on the “Budapest Memorandum,” in which the Ukraine received financial compensation from the West, and assurances from Russia, the UK, and the US that they would not threaten that country, and would respect it’s independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.*
It certainly appears that that agreement was written using “disappearing ink.”
The parrot is more articulate than joe biden.
“What, me worry”. Oh yes, yes I do.
When I played that just now my dogs started barking, but they soon let the parrot quiet them down.
I don’t know how many are aware of this, but Robert T. Bigelow is a billionaire aerospace industrialist who is very interested in UFOs, the nature of consciousness, psychic phenomena, survival after death, and the nature of the “other side”—see, for instance, his involvement in intensive, on the ground studies of the “high strangeness” phenomena at the “Skinwalker Ranch” in northern Idaho.*
In 2020 he established the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies**, and recently offered a $1.8 million dollar prize, to be divided among those who produced the best essays giving proof of the survival of human consciousness after physical death, as judged by a panel of distinguished evaluators.
All of the top 14 winner’s interesting essays plus an additional 15 honorable mention essays have been published on the Institute’s website, and are available to be read here at https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/contest_winners3.php
* https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/02/newly-leaked-bigelow-aerospace-documents-prove-pentagon-investigated-ufos-and-paranormal-phenomena/
** https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/about.php
When that parrot whistled, my dog took off!
I’m asking this question, because I would like people to discuss, in a serious tone, about military tactics, meaning tactics in the War in Ukraine:
Currently- [Russia’s government + military] are waging a war against Ukraine, to try to take over Ukraine.
President Biden and The US Military are currently fighting Russia’s military, by sending anti-tank weapons, and I believe anti-tank missiles, and possibly other weapons, to Ukraine’s army.
I believe- The US, as a nation, is buying, a source says- [between 12 million to 26 million barrels of crude oil and petroleum from Russia every month.]
[why] are we, The US, buying needed oil from a nation, that we are currently fighting in a [war?]
At any time- Russia could use this move as a tactic-
Russia could get mad at The US for supplying weapons to Ukraine, the country that Russia is now fighting in a war.
Russia could decide: “Oh, you’re giving weapons to our enemy and fighting us, while we fight them…[them meaning Ukraine]. Well, we’ll STOP SELLING OIL to The US, for fighting against [us] in this war.”
Isn’t it impractical to fight against Russia in a war, while buying supplies from them, at the same time?
Isn’t it impractical to fight against any nation, in this way?
What do people think about this matter?
(Here is a link, where I got the number/statistic of- buying 12 million to 26 million barrels of oil):
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-much-oil-does-the-us-import-from-russia/ar-AATW9fE
The democrats have a ‘new’ message.
Higher gasoline prices are due to “price gouging” by … somebody.
I suppose if you are a democrat voter you believe everything your elitist masters
tell you.
Most normals though …
[why] are we, The US, buying needed oil from a nation, that we are currently fighting in a [war?]
As to why? Since our leadership have significantly curtailed domestic production to appease the unfortunately extremely influential climate zealots, we’ve been buying from Russia to keep oil prices from climbing into the stratosphere (which of course is happening anyway). I highly doubt you’ll find anyone around here that will dispute how patently idiotic it is to off-shore a large portion of our energy production to nation states that despise us under some notion of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Isn’t it impractical to fight against any nation, in this way?
Of course. But we’re dealing with an idiotic and impractical leadership who favors nonsense and sophistry and false narratives over reality. A leadership that’s been foisted upon us through the ceaseless efforts of a fully corrupt main stream media and tech oligarchy.
The parrot is parrotting what he has heard the humans say/do, like “stop it” and “be quiet” and whistling and saying “good boy.” It has the same relationship to the humans in it’s life as Democrats do the media sources in their lives.
We have been buying oil, as Nonapod points out, to try to keep our gas prices low. Are we now, this day actively buying oil, don’t know, but there is Russian oil headed our way, via Russian tankers, that have been paid for. My understanding, which may be very limited, is that the Oil Brokers have stopped buying Russian oil, not because of any sanctions, but for the fear there will be sanctions. The SWIFT actions also put a crimp on buying Russian oil.
India and of course China continue to buy Russian oil, not sure about Turkey. Turkey seems to be fence sitting.
TR,
I think it is absolutely idiotic. The fact that any nation that is capable of meeting its own energy needs internally would not do so is incomprehensible.
Thanks for the link, Snow on Pine. Checking the site out now…
What, and I’m both asking for a friend and just spit balling here, what if Putin is right? Lenin put two Russian dominant regions in the Ukraine to mess with the Ukraine. See how Europeans formed countries in Africa with two tribes that hated each other. Vassal states are easier to control if they have internal chaos. So first, make the regions independent. That happened after the CIA and Soros helped the coup in 2014. Putin claims Ukraine approved forces have been shelling the regions. What if Ukraine is a hill Davos and Putin are willing to die on?
What does it mean when a country goes into NATO? My suspicion is a military upgrade and alignment will happen. In WW2, trucks from one country would create ruts in the dirt roads. Trucks from other nations would break their axles in the ruts. NATO solution? Uniformity in trucks. So, I would bet a nation going into NATO needs air power uniformity. Military air fields will need stocking of parts, tools, and armament for NATO compliance. Not a small thing.
TR,
“I’m asking this question, because I would like people to discuss, in a serious tone, about military tactics, meaning tactics in the War in Ukraine:
Currently- [Russia’s government + military] are waging a war against Ukraine, to try to take over Ukraine.
President Biden and The US Military are currently fighting Russia’s military, by sending anti-tank weapons, and I believe anti-tank missiles, and possibly other weapons, to Ukraine’s army.”
For a sane, clear perspective on what is going on with Ukraine see: https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/col-douglas-macgregor-with-tucker-carlson-excellent/
Putin does not want to take over the Ukraine. He wants a demilitarized, neutral Ukraine acting as a permanent buffer state between Russia and NATO. To stay neutral, Putin must have a ‘Russia friendly’ Ukrainian government.
Zelensky’s gov. accepted heavy militarization of the Ukraine and was conducting a campaign pushing for the Ukraine to join NATO.
Zelensky is supported by Klaus Schwab’s WEF, which includes much of the EU’s and NATO’s political leadership.
Factions within NATO are receptive to accepting the Ukraine for inclusion into NATO, which has officially stated that at some point, the Ukraine will become a NATO signatory.
The US government is NOT fighting Russia’s military. Biden giving $350 million to the Ukraine is for the purchasing of ordnance and weapons. Think of FDR supplying England prior to Pearl Harbor.
Again, for a sane, clear alternative military perspective on what is going on with Ukraine see: https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/col-douglas-macgregor-with-tucker-carlson-excellent/
parrot:dog
neo:zaphod
Zelensky’s gov. accepted heavy militarization of the Ukraine and was conducting a campaign pushing for the Ukraine to join NATO.
Per the World Bank, the ratio of military expenditure to nominal domestic product is 0.041 for the Ukraine and 0.043 for Russia.
‘Putin does not want to take over the Ukraine.” That assertion doesn’t seem to correspond to what he’s doing.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/03/03/tolerant-leftists-at-university-of-north-texas-harass-and-scream-fck-these-fascists-at-father-who-lost-custody-of-trans-child-videos/
In case you needed a reminder, an obtrusive portion of the young admitted to state research universities are simply awful human beings, and that quality of awful has a political expression.
Lenin put two Russian dominant regions in the Ukraine to mess with the Ukraine.
The Ukraine has the proximate boundaries of the Ukrainian Republic formed under the provisional government in 1917.
See how Europeans formed countries in Africa with two tribes that hated each other. Vassal states are easier to control if they have internal chaos.
Can you think of an example? You cannot actually form territorial states in Tropical and Southern Africa that are tribally homogeneous. Some places have more inter-tribal antagonism than others. Where you’ve had persistent violence, the distinction was multilayered, with confession superimposed on tribe (Chad, the Sudan), among lineage groups sharing a language (Somalia), between the principal tribe and all the others (Uganda), and between geographically intermixed tribes (Rwanda and Burundi). In which of these areas was it actually the object of the metropole to generate this situation?
So first, make the regions independent. That happened after the CIA and Soros helped the coup in 2014. Putin claims Ukraine approved forces have been shelling the regions. What if Ukraine is a hill Davos and Putin are willing to die on?
Actually, what Putin pealed off was two segments of the Donetsk and Luhansk region by manufacturing militias there.
While we’re at it, there was no coup, much less one run by George Soros. The only official who departed the country was Victor Yanukovich, because the security forces would not defend him (and neither would his own political party). There have been five competitive elections in the Ukraine in the last eight years, ample opportunity for the Russophile parties to win back their position. They’re good for about 16% of the vote (v. > 40% a dozen years ago); that’s VP’s 3-D chess mind at work.
Putin does not want to take over the Ukraine. He wants a demilitarized, neutral Ukraine acting as a permanent buffer state between Russia and NATO. To stay neutral, Putin must have a ‘Russia friendly’ Ukrainian government.
https://alchetron.com/cdn/pugsley-addams-c3bce0b2-5a1d-4fc0-9965-651ccac23d3-resize-750.jpg
Kate:
We don’t understand Vlad.
He did not want to take over Ukraine.
He was forced to take over Ukraine, but actually he isn’t taking over Ukraine. That is just your lying eyes deceiving you and I. Or not.
Someone said something about reality and stupidity recently IIRC.
Geoffrey Britain:
I have disagreed with Tucker Carlson on most foreign policy questions for as long as he’s been broadcasting. He is naive and foolish, and the best thing I can say about him is that he’s consistent about that.
He hasn’t a clue what Russia wants and is taken in by Russian propaganda combined with wishful thinking.
Nor does Russia get to dictate what a neighboring country wants to do and whether it wants to ally with other peaceful countries of Europe and remain an autonomous country. Putin has said over and over that Ukraine is not a real country and is actually part of greater Russia. I wonder what part of that Tucker and others on the right who agree with him fail to understand.
TR: “[why] are we, The US, buying needed oil from a nation, that we are currently fighting in a [war?]”
To be fair, the Biden* Admin is considering alternatives. For example, buying oil from …. Iran.
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1499419999722737672
Biden Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg: Buying oil from Iran is “on the table”
Booty-gag is back from [p][m]aternity leave?
We all need to keep in mind that the MSM, the professoriate, the celebs and the Dem Party have all stampeded in one direction.
Be careful of giving credence to any high-minded reasons for their actions.
Israeli journo visits Babi Yar Holocaust Memorial, says it is unscathed. UA officials said RU had destroyed it.
https://gab.com/PrisonPlanet/posts/107892621881569425
Israeli journalist Ron Ben Yishai visited the site on Wednesday to take photographs, discovering that the memorial was in fact “unscathed.”
As Chris Menahan notes, “The false claim Russia bombed a Holocaust memorial was perhaps the top story on social media on Tuesday and was repeated by virtually every major controlled media outlet as though it was fact.”
This story appears to be legit, however. Ukraine Pres plays the piano. Forty odd seconds. Quite odd, in fact.
https://youtu.be/HbmZrzN3WFE
There’s an Israeli journalist free to wander about Kyiv and take pictures of serene memorials? I do think at this point that we need to be careful about any claims from either side. “The fog of war” and so on.
Oh those clever and cunning “Biden”-istas…
Here’s an update on that Sec. Pete foray into classic disinformation:
“Buttigieg On Keystone Pipeline Amid Ukraine Invasion: We Don‘t Want ‘Permanent Solutions‘ To Short Term Problems”—
https://blazingcatfur.ca/2022/03/03/buttigieg-on-keystone-pipeline-amid-ukraine-invasion-we-dont-want-permanent-solutions-to-short-term-problems/
(Heh, what are the odds they’re high-fiving like crazy for that sophomoric sleight of hand?)
Folks, “Biden” is in “fooling-all-the-people-all-of-the-time” territory (or “mode”, if you wish). And they’ve been there for such a long time that it’s become a principle of faith, an ethic, a credo.
At this point I’m not sure they could tell the truth even if they wanted to….
“Permanent solutions to short-term (so-called) problems”?
Heh, they’re not looking to find solutions for anything. Problems, on the other hand? Problems they’re looking to create in droves.
In fact, “The ‘problem’ is the ‘solution'”…
Kate: “There’s an Israeli journalist free to wander about Kyiv and take pictures of serene memorials?”
Yes, I appreciate your skepticism but note that Caroline Glick seems to buy into it. Also, the reporter guy’s name is given. Anyone can contact him to see if there are holes in the story.
Just when we need a knowledgeable, strong, courageous, visionary, and steady hand at the helm we get this crew of clowns.
I can’t think of anything good for either the Ukraine or for the U.S. coming from their bumbling, blinkered, ill-informed efforts, given the current clueless residents of the clown car now in charge of the Presidency, our foreign policy, and defense.
By the time this crew is finished with their misguided mischief and fumbling, will the U.S. have any friends, allies, or standing in the world left?
I’m foreseeing a nightmare.
My bad. Skinwalker Ranch is in Utah, not Idaho.
Snow on Pine:
I think the nightmare is already upon us, and I fear it will deepen.
I hate being this pessimistic, but that’s what I see.
JimNorCal, I saw some of Zelenskyy’s comments about the memorial and the alleged bombing. He described the memorial as part of a larger site, including graves, where Soviets had built some things on top of that, including the TV tower which was apparently the Russian target. So I don’t know.
@ Geoffrey Britain
“The US government is NOT fighting Russia’s military. Biden giving $350 million to the Ukraine is for the purchasing of ordnance and weapons. ”
I’m not trying to start a flame war, but-
doesn’t that leave the chance of- Russia sees the US giving money-for-weapons to Ukraine, + then Russia says that’s the US giving weapons, or money-for-weapons, to Ukraine…(this) Ukraine that Russia says- is Russia’s enemy… the country attacking Russia in a war?
Can’t Russia say- that this action is [the same] as a nation giving weapons to Ukraine?…and that this action is same as [fighting against Russia in a war]?
TR,
Whether a technical argument might be made that the US supplying money to Zelensky’s government is effectively waging war upon Russia, I don’t think that Putin will insist upon that being the case, as Putin doesn’t want to get into a nuclear war any more than we do.
Art Deco,
“Zelensky’s gov. accepted heavy militarization of the Ukraine and was conducting a campaign pushing for the Ukraine to join NATO.” G Britain
“Per the World Bank, the ratio of military expenditure to nominal domestic product is 0.041 for the Ukraine and 0.043 for Russia.”
The Ukraine’s expenditure of 0.041 of its GDP of $155.58 billion US dollars doesn’t account for the extent of militarization.
As 0.041% of 155.58 Billion is $635 million. That may sound like a lot until you consider that, “The average unit procurement cost of fighter aircraft produced in the NATO area is $112.43 million”. So in one year, Ukraine’s entire yearly military expenditure would buy them 5 fighter aircraft and a bit of fuel and ordnance. Which would of course leave no money for any other part of the Ukraine’s military. It seems a bridge to far to imagine that the Ukraine, since 2014 built all those bases and the ordnance and military hardware for those bases on that budget… demonstrating that they had a lot of outside help.
Your derision at the assertion that Putin does not want to reincorporate the Ukraine into Russia, implies that Putin wants NATO on his border. Or are you implying that after the Ukraine’s conquest Putin intends to make war upon NATO?
No parrot “in this fight”…but a bit of very good news…for a change of pace:
“—Virginia Anti-Asian School Admission Scheme Halted By Federal Judge”—
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/02/the-american-dream-won-virginia-anti-asian-school-admission-scheme-halted-by-federal-judge/
om,
Your understanding of Putin is incomplete because you refuse to consider Russia’s view of NATO upon its border as intolerable.
Your response to the possibility of nuclear cruise missiles just 13 minutes flight time from Moscow is to insist that NATO would never resort to that threat.
Perhaps I missed it but I can’t recall you responding to my pointing out that it doesn’t matter whether NATO would install that grave a threat to Russia, only that the Russians cannot afford to extend that level of trust to the West…
You don’t allow someone you don’t trust to put a knife to your throat based solely upon their assurance that they won’t cut your throat. Whether the lack of trust is justified is irrelevant. Trust must come first before vulnerability can be contemplated.
@Geoffrey Britain
Those are somegood points.
I don’t mean to say,,,right now…that Russia, or NATO, has the best idea of what Ukraine should do, but-
[this is based on my opinions, only]- I can see why Russia, in theory, might feel nervous or antagonized, if Ukraine joined a group like NATO.
A neighboring country saying to me- “HI, we used to be your friend, but we just joined a military alliance…an alliance that is here to stop you from attacking anyone”, could make me feel kind of slighted, if not worried, that a neighbor has just joined an alliance, an alliance that sees me as a possible foe.
In my dream world- Ukraine would say: [OK, we will not join NATO, but we, [Ukraine + our friends], will always keep the military right to defend ourselves from others].
[Some irony follows]- but while I’m busy wishing, I wish that Santa Claus would bring me- a Porsche, 10 million dollars, and a pony. (Heh, heh!)
Geoffrey:
It is interesting that you critique the level of my understanding of Vlad. It seems that you have bestowed upon yourself that “understanding” based on what, magical Geoffrey power? Assumptions are what they are. You aren’t in Vlad’s head or heart. But we have seen what Vlad has done and part of what his military is doing currently.
Regarding what I choose to respond to from you I’ll quote the Hogwaller child from “Oh Brother Where Art Thou?”
“You ain’t the boss of me?”
And if you trott out “your lack of response to my argument x, y, or z is, proof that my point is correct” well you might want to look at that quote again.
Regarding what the Vlad can accept, note I say Vlad not the “Russians,” who made you their spokesman or gave you such “profound’ insite into current Russian thought? Assumptions and self regard are based on what exactly? Don’t tell me you have cornered the market on rational thought, logic, and facts.
We do not agree on this. Oh well.
Geoffrey Britain:
You write to om: “Your understanding of Putin is incomplete because you refuse to consider Russia’s view of NATO upon its border as intolerable.”
I think just about everyone here has “considered” that point of view on the part of Putin. I just don’t see why it should inform the actions of the West.
Hitler viewed the Sudentenland belonging to Czechoslovakia intolerable. Hitler considered Poland’s behavior intolerable and so he just had to take it over:
When Hitler finally decided to do something about that INTOLERABLE situation in Poland, and when he felt militarily ready (the Allies had allowed Germany to re-arm a couple of years earlier), he invaded. I believe he thought that Britain and France and the rest would be too weak to do much to counter him effectively.
When Hitler wanted the Sudentenland and they agreed at Munich (in order to fix that INTOLERABLE situation), Hitler promised “to resolve all future conflicts peacefully.”
Then in 1939:
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes. It’s rhyming right now, and it is you who have the “incomplete understanding.”
When I say it rhymes, I don’t mean that Putin is Hitler. He has a different outlook and different aims. And yet his aims are similar, and right now his methods and arguments are being revealed as similar, too. Also like Hitler, he didn’t want to show his hand till he felt ready and till he felt certain that the west would have a weak response. He has shown his hand now – at least partially. I think he’s capable of much greater brutality than he has shown in Ukraine so far. He wants people to buy the “it’s just about NATO” argument, and many seem to be buying it.
neo,
Since I didn’t refer to Tucker’s opinion but to Col. Douglas McGregor’s POV regarding the conflict, are you suggesting that he too is naive and foolish?
Do you consider George Kennan, Henry Kissinger, former US Ambassador to Russia James F. Collins, CIA Director William J. (Bill) Burns and Poli-Sci Prof. John Mearsheimer, all of whom share McGregor’s POV regarding Russia’s viewing NATO expansion to be a threat, as also naive and foolish?
“Nor does Russia get to dictate what a neighboring country wants to do and whether it wants to ally with other peaceful countries of Europe and remain an autonomous country.”
That sounds fine, until one considers that Russia does not view NATO as a peaceful alliance, given its actions in Kosovo and Libya.
The West has militarized a Ukraine that seeks to join a NATO that has already stated that at some point it will become part of NATO.
That militarization and utter disregard for Russia’s repeated insistence that the Ukraine remain a neutral buffer State, greatly lessens Russian trust in NATO insisting it to be a defensive alliance.
Dismissing Russia’s concerns amounts to telling it that its fears are unfounded and silly, which is patronizing at best. And that, their right to self defense does not extend to keeping potential nuclear threats 13 minutes flight time from Moscow.
Geoffrey, that dead pony is well and truly beaten.
Should I quote LT. Col. Vindmann, or General Mark “White Rage” Milley, or General Collin Powell?
Weak. And don’t move to Moscow.
I met a Russian woman this evening, an immigrant from the Soviet Union, now a US citizen and passionate about American freedoms. She’s running for county office as a Republican, and says she sometimes has nightmares that her children, US born, will wake up some day in the totalitarian country she left.
Not related to Ukraine/Russia, but okay on an open thread, I hope: has anybody noticed the virtual disappearance of Tony Fauci from the airwaves? “If you’re looking for the infamous Dr. Anthony Fauci, you might want to check your local television stations, or some random YouTube channels, because the man has seemingly joined the primetime cable milk carton. . . . with [an internal] memo [from a Dem polling firm about the unpopularity of ongoing COVID mania with the general public] came the simultaneous sidelining of Dr. Fauci. . . . The NIAID’s ‘Dr Fauci In The News’ website, which throughout COVID Mania, has tracked hundreds of its director’s major media appearances, has not posted a new appearance since February 17.”
Needless to say, Dr. Narcissus isn’t taking his time-out gracefully– he’s continuing to warn people about the ongoing danger of COVID on a local DC TV station.
Copy of the polling firm memo at the link: https://dossier.substack.com/p/wheres-fauci-infamous-bureaucrat?s=r
Kate @ 8:45pm,
I too know a Russian woman who has lived her for about 20 years. She loves America and cannot believe that so many Americans view Communism or Socialism favorably. She is not shy about calling people out on it and sharing her perspective from growing up in a Communist country. 🙂
You can’t just move military forces of the size being advanced by the Russians without a lot of logistical preparations which would give some advance warning that such a major movement was going to be taking place.
This situation in the Ukraine has been brewing for a long time–and I may be giving our intelligence agencies too much credit–but I’d think that we would have had a lot of advance warning that Putin’s military forces were gearing up to march toward their border with the Ukraine.
It should also have been obvious that warnings, denunciations, and economic pressure were very unlikely to deter Putin.
Presuming we had such warning, and we were serious about keeping the peace that has prevailed in Europe for many decades until very recently, and preventing the Russians from invading the Ukraine, it would have been the obvious and prudent thing for NATO members, including the U.S., to do to very publicly activate and move some troops closer to Russia, and for NATO and the U.S. to transfer a major amount of immediately useful military hardware to the Ukrainians–things like massive numbers of Javelin anti-tank missiles and man portable anti-aircraft missiles, anti-aircraft missile systems, secure communication systems, very capable radar systems, mortars, heavy machine guns, long arms and handguns, mines, major amounts of ammunition, and perhaps even some tanks or aircraft–U.S. A-10 Warthogs would likely have been very useful indeed.
(I would assume that items like tanks and aircraft would require a good bit of training for the Ukrainian military to use them effectively, so turning them over when the Soviets were already marching on the Ukraine, or even on Ukrainian soil would mean they might not be able to be used immediately, when the need for them was greatest, or used to their greatest effectiveness.)
So, since those steps or similar ones (viewed, I’m sure, as just too “provocative”) were not taken, we now have the Russian’s invasion of a sovereign nation, a war that could widen and–depending on how desperate the Russians become–could possibly involve chemical or even battlefield nuclear weapons, plus the potential for an extended guerrilla war in the Ukraine that could last for many years; perhaps even including a “foreign volunteer” situation having some of the features of the Spanish Civil war of the 1930s.
Just now saw a report that after Soviet forces had shelled a Ukrainian nuclear power plant–reportedly the largest in all of Europe–there were fires around the plant.
See https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nuclear-power-plant-in-eastern-ukraine-on-fire-amid-shelling-reports/
What kind of idiot do you have to be to shell such a facility, and take the chance of causing another Chernobyl, or releasing deadly radiation?
Snow On Pine:
It’s the release of radioactive contamination, fallout, that is spread. Gasses, liquids, and solid particles that are radioactive. It gets in the surface water, groundwater, soil, and air. Some gets taken up by plants and animals, Spread the joy for Roosia!
What kind of a maniac would risk that? Vlad Putupon.
But NATO! Just ask Jen.
@ Amartel > “The parrot is parrotting what he has heard the humans say/do, like “stop it” and “be quiet” and whistling and saying “good boy.” ”
From which I concluded that the owners have not taken obedience lessons with their pet, because there is nothing less effective than continually giving the dog these orders without backing up your requests with action.
And when you do that properly, then you don’t have to repeat them so much your parrot gets in on the act.
PS We recently had a parrot as a house guest for a few days, and he generally imitated the dogs at his home, rather than the owner.
From Sundance at Conservative Treehouse aka The Last Refuge.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/03/senator-lindsey-graham-calls-for-the-assassination-of-russian-president-vladimir-putin-things-are-getting-out-of-control/
“Booty-gag is back from [p][m]aternity leave?”–I believe we’re calling it xaternity leave now.
The head of NATO has just announced that, despite whatever promises NATO might have made in the past to defend the Ukraine if it were attacked, NATO will not come to the aid of the Ukraine. The Ukraine is on its own.
Well, now we know just what NATO and it’s promises are worth. Nothing.
See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/nato-announces-will-not-fight-ukraine-ground-air-rejects-no-fly-zone-video/
P.S. This invasion of the Ukraine is exactly the kind of Russian aggression that NATO was supposedly founded to prevent and, if necessary, to fight against. And while the Ukraine is not currently a member of NATO, there sure seem to have been a lot of assurances that they would soon become a member.
Well, here is a clear cut Russian aggression, and NATO reveals itself afraid and impotent.
Moreover, if I remember correctly, a few years back, in 1994, the Ukraine gave up the nuclear weapons it had on it’s territory after Russia withdrew, based on the “Budapest Memorandum,” in which the Ukraine received financial compensation from the West, and assurances from Russia, the UK, and the US that they would not threaten that country, and would respect it’s independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.*
It certainly appears that that agreement was written using “disappearing ink.”
* See https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18260/ukraine-budapest-memorandum
there sure seem to have been a lot of assurances that they would soon become a member.
Nothing happen for 14 years.