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  1. Haiti is basically a fragment of West Africa that detached itself from Liberia and drifted into the Caribbean. Billions of aid dollars have been dumped there, bleeding hearts have gone there, but it remains what it is, a piece of the African jungle without chimpanzees and Jane Goodall.
    The trouble is, we are letting Haitians immigrate to the US. That drains the country of strivers and should not be allowed.

  2. Any bets on the Clinton’s having something to do with it?

    Joking-Not-Joking.

  3. Haiti is basically a fragment of West Africa that detached itself from Liberia and drifted into the Caribbean. Billions of aid dollars have been dumped there, bleeding hearts have gone there, but it remains what it is, a piece of the African jungle without chimpanzees and Jane Goodall.

    Haiti is less affluent than most countries in Tropical Africa. Also, by the reckoning of the Maddison Project, Haiti’s per capital product has seen no net improvement during the post-war period. There are Tropical African countries like that, but they can be counted on your fingers. Of course, the difference in the standard of living between Haiti and the rest of the non-Latin Caribbean is large. Jamaica is one of the least affluent Caribbean islands; it’s per capita product is 4x that of Haiti. Haiti is just a strange, sad place.

  4. Permanent, severe poverty includes poor pre and post natal nutrition, with expected. That said, fifty years back, I ran into a heck of an American soldier from Haiti. Good troop.

  5. I can’t remember where or when but I do remember reading an article on the profound cultural and economic and political differences between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Both reside on the same island.

  6. “Tropical Africa” covers many countries and is meant to be, I regret to say, obfuscatory.
    I wrote “West Africa”. The per-diem pay in Haiti is about the same as in Liberia, a part of West Africa, about two bucks per day.

    Check out “Tropical Africa” on Wiki if you need more info.

  7. Geoffrey Britain:
    Haiti is 100% black, certainly with some inbreeding. I believe almost the entire country is deforested, for firewood. The Dominican Republic is about 15% black, the large majority mestizo/indio, meaning “Indian” or “native”. The difference in standard of living is huge, but they both occupy the same island, so go figure. It says nothing good about Haiti. I believe the D.R. secures its border with Haiti vigorously.

  8. I do remember that the article was persuasive in listing culture as the determinate factor. Secondarily, the Dominican side has more resources to draw upon but other countries equally poor in resources have been far more successful than Haiti.

    It all seems to come down to culture.

  9. I find there are only 4 gates of entry into the D.R. from Haiti, and they have all been recently closed.

    As to culture, one may speculate about its genetic determinants.
    Like Germans, who seem by nature to be hard-working.

  10. Cicero. See Sowell, “Conquests and Cultures”. I can’t imagine his research staff.
    One of his findings is how long cultural attributes last even when surrounded by another country. See the Volga Germans.
    But wrt the Germans: Polish immigrants who came here from areas controlled or influenced by Germany did better than Polish immigrants who came here from areas controlled or influenced by Russia.
    Go figure.

  11. Cicero:

    The black population of Haiti is not the biggest difference between the two countries, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, although it seems to be the one you are focusing on. (And by the way, in the DR most of the people do have some black heritage, when genetic testing is done).

    The DR is twice as big as Haiti, and has much more fertile land and more other resources, and more rainfall and more food. Haiti is geographically impoverished in a way that the DR is not. The DR was a Spanish colony and Haiti a French colony, and that’s a difference, too. Early on, Haiti was composed almost entirely of slaves and big plantations, and although the DR had some slaves there were nowhere near as many, so the culture and history of the two countries was very different. Haiti’s independence was won early in a brutal slave rebellion, and the leaders had no idea how to run a country with anything but the same brutality. The DR’s colonial history was longer and their independence won more gradually, and it also became close to the US at several points and was influenced by it.

  12. “Any bets on the Clinton’s having something to do with it?
    Joking-Not-Joking.” – Fractal Rabbit

    They didn’t do Haiti any favors in the recent past.
    Please note that this is a Fair and Balance selection of sources.

    https://www.waynedupree.com/2021/07/haiti-president-the-clintons/
    Assassination of Haitian President Sparks More “Clinton Body Count” Rumblings Online

    I mean, can you blame people for going there??????

    He was elected back in 2016, the same year that Hillary Clinton lost her bid for the White House.

    And much of her campaign run was bogged down by reports of how she and her Clinton Foundation ravaged the small country and bled it dry financially after the devastating earthquake back in 2010.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/hillarys-america-secret-history-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation/
    How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians
    By DINESH D’SOUZA July 18, 2016 8:00 AM

    I don’t blame the Haitians for falling for it; Bill is one of the world’s greatest story-tellers. He has fooled people far more sophisticated than the poor Haitians. Over time, however, the Haitians wised up. Whatever their initial expectations, many saw that much of the aid money seems never to have reached its destination; rather, it disappeared along the way.

    Where did it go? It did not escape the attention of the Haitians that Bill Clinton was the designated UN representative for aid to Haiti. Following the earthquake, Bill Clinton had with media fanfare established the Haiti Reconstruction Fund. Meanwhile, his wife Hillary was the United States secretary of state. She was in charge of U.S. aid allocated to Haiti. Together the Clintons were the two most powerful people who controlled the flow of funds to Haiti from around the world.

    The Haitian protesters [in 2015] noticed an interesting pattern involving the Clintons and the designation of how aid funds were used. They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons.

    HUGE long lists of details supporting Dinesh’s assertions.

    https://canada-haiti.ca/content/how-clintons-robbed-and-destroyed-haiti
    By Takudzwa Hillary Chiwanza, African Exponent, Feb. 18, 2020

    The imprint of Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton is indelible. The couple’s presence and impact on the Caribbean island have brought nothing but prolonged despair for the Haitians. Their elusive and opaque deals in the country have not done anything to alleviate the country out of poverty depths. The purported interests of helping Haiti from its myriad of problems have only caused stagnation in Haiti.

    The devastating 2010 earthquake left Haiti in tatters. The country’s economy reeled under the biting and excruciating effects of the earthquake. Because of their history with Haiti, the Clintons seized this chance in the interests of “assisting” Haiti in its times of unparalleled difficulty. But their involvement with the earthquake relief programs was the final proof Haitians needed to show that the Clintons’ true intentions with the country were to rob it for their own parochial interests.

    Bill Clinton’s influence in Haiti ranges from the 1990s agricultural policies in Haiti that destroyed the country’s rice industry to the meddling in internal affairs and finally to the earthquake. There is a sense of permanency attached to the Clintons’ name as regards their activities in Haiti, particularly the Clinton Foundation.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-clinton-foundations-legacy-in-haiti-haitians_b_57f604f9e4b087a29a5486fd
    The Clinton Foundation’s Legacy in Haiti – “Haitians are more than upset…”
    10/06/2016 04:43 am ET Updated Oct 06, 2016

    The Miami Herald has a video of Haitian activists protesting the Democratic National Convention, primarily because of the “Clinton Foundation’s spending in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake.” According to The Nation in a piece titled The Shelters That Clinton Built, the Clinton Foundation provided Haiti with trailers “structurally unsafe and laced with formaldehyde” that “came from the same company being sued for sickening Hurricane Katrina victims.” Pertaining to the Clinton Foundation’s legacy in Haiti, The New York Times writes “the Clintons have become prime targets of blame for the country’s woes.”

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/dec/09/viral-image/old-hoax-about-clinton-foundation-resurfaces-faceb/

    A Facebook post claimed that, in 2014, the Clinton Foundation only gave $5 million to charity while spending $85 million for salaries and travel.

    The foundation hires people to carry out its own humanitarian programs instead of giving it all away, meaning its charitable contributions show up as program expenses instead of grants on tax forms. The Clinton Foundation spent $217 million on programs and about $13 million for salaries and travel in 2014.

    The Facebook post is inaccurate. We rate it False.

    Bottom Line: yeah the Clintons do keep the vast majority of the donations and other income, but they do their own charity work instead of passing it along to other groups in grants.
    Inquiring minds ask: did Politifact do any checking on those program expenses to see how many were bogus or even harmful like the ones in Haiti? And how much of the program expenses turned out to be salaries and travel?

  13. BTW, the details in the Huffpo article are damning to the Clinton Foundation on multiple “international charity” scams, and that is perhaps a too charitable noun.
    This is also relevant to my questions on the Politifact airbrushing post.

    Mr. Ortel has spent over one year investigating the financial peculiarities of the Clinton Foundation. He’s also researched extensively on the Foundation’s involvement with Haiti and other countries around the globe.

    During our interview, Charles Ortel provided a glimpse into various murky financials linked to the Clinton Foundation’s legacy in Haiti. For the record, the interview below does not reflect the views of The Huffington Post and is purely the result of my interaction with Charles Ortel:

    Goodman: What is the Clinton Foundation controversy in Haiti about?

    [lots of granular details on the debacle]

    Goodman: Are there other examples similar to Haiti, where the Clinton Foundation utilized a tragedy in a similar manner?

    Ortel: The Clintons seem to be “merchants around misery”, operating as a kind of “Robin Hood in Reverse”?-there are many disasters that they seem to have exploited. In brief, the Clinton Foundation solicited massive sums to “fight HIV/AIDS” but did not check carefully enough to ensure that these drugs were supplied in intact form, and neither adulterated nor watered-down.
    A key supplier, Ranbaxy, subsequently paid a $500 million economic penalty and plead guilty to numerous felonies?we may never know how many of the HIV/AIDS drugs that the Clinton Foundation claims credit for having distributed from July 2002 forward internationally may have been “dirty” and dangerous. Around the world, the Clinton Foundation seems to seek out desperate nations with limited infrastructure, or disasters, and then insert itself in front of incoming aid flows. They did this in Mozambique, in Papua New Guinea, in Haiti, and with Katrina in New Orleans, and in many other places.

    Goodman: In terms of the money and the issue of the Clinton Foundation being a charity, are there any red flags in terms of the financial aspect of the controversy?

    Ortel: Absolutely?-Americans and others in wealthy nations are generous. There is no global regulator for charities that operate internationally, while State regulators typically are stretched thin cover the estimated 1.2 million or more tax-exempt organizations that exist inside the U.S. alone. The easiest “red flag” to see is that there are no compliant audits of the financial statements of any Clinton Foundation entity from 23 October 1997 forward.

    The final area that raises red flags arises when you check disclosures made by key donors to the Clinton Foundation (UNITAID (the largest cumulative donor at $650 million, and a collection of governments/Gates), other governments and Gates Foundation, Children’s Investment Fund Foundation (UK), and others)?amounts these donors believe they gave are much larger than amounts Clinton Foundation entities appear to claim they received.

    Goodman: How much money in aggregate did the country of Haiti receive and how much money did the citizens of Haiti receive?

    Ortel: The math is staggering?-if we count all estimated donations $10,000,000,000 or more as the base, and use $100 million as the approximate amount declared, we arrive at 1%.

    Bottom line: Where did all the money go?

  14. Culture has a huge impact no doubt. But also the lack of property rights unless you are super rich is an impediment. I talked with several Haitians and “the tragedy of the commons” is mentioned. Like the communist regimes if “the people” own something and since you are one of “the people” then you are allowed to take or use it.

    As mentioned earlier the “strivers” leave for the United States or other places leaving the settlers behind resulting in more poverty. I was struck by an interview with Tucker Carlson with President of El Salvador about the recent refugee surge from his land. He lamented that his country’s “best” was leaving. Not the most educated or wealthy but those that can make a difference and what a terrible effect it would have to make it better.

    Unfortunately we are also getting the dregs of the world, the drugs and the trafficked to feed the maw of the depraved. All so the rich white progressive women can feel good about themselves.

  15. Neo says, “Early on, Haiti was composed almost entirely of slaves and big plantations” so there is a goodly amount of once-arable land in Haiti. Big plantations! I checked the rainfall data of the two countries on Hispaniola, and they are not significantly different.

    Land management may be a factor. Soil quality in Haiti may have degraded over the centuries. But the basic problem is overpopulation and ignorance, fundamentally. What sane tourist wants to visit Haiti? No, they all go to the Dominican Republic, where there are lots of golf courses. That country lives off tourism. Do golf courses exist in Haiti? Decent hotels? No.

    Haiti has made itself a dump.

  16. Cicero:

    I don’t know where you’re getting your information, but I looked at several sites that all tell a different tale.

    Here’s one, for example:

    Climate:
    Haiti – tropical; semiarid where mountains in east cut off trade winds

    DR – tropical maritime; little seasonal temperature variation; seasonal variation in rainfall

    Terrain:

    Haiti – mostly rough and mountainous

    DR – rugged highlands and mountains interspersed with fertile valleys

    Or this:

    The mountains that lie across the island can cut off Haiti’s rainfall. The northeast trade winds, and so the rain, blow in the Dominican Republic’s favor. Haiti’s semiarid climate makes cultivation more challenging. Deforestation — a major problem in Haiti, but not in its neighbor — has only exacerbated the problem.

    The deforestation issue is complicated; I’ve read several articles on it. Suffice to say it began in colonial days when the French cleared a lot of forests for plantations and fuel, continued when the French demanded payments after Haiti became independent and Haiti paid in wood, and then continued further when people needed fuel. There have been efforts to reforest the land and controversy over how much deforestation actually has taken place.

  17. Haiti is 100% black, certainly with some inbreeding. I believe almost the entire country is deforested, for firewood. The Dominican Republic is about 15% black, the large majority mestizo/indio, meaning “Indian” or “native”. The difference in standard of living is huge, but they both occupy the same island, so go figure. It says nothing good about Haiti. I believe the D.R. secures its border with Haiti vigorously.

    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2016/07/06/dominicans-are-49-black-39-white-and-4-indian/

    If this is correct, the mixed race majority in the Dominican Republic is about 53% black and 32% white.

    With some qualifications (e.g. in re the Guianas. Belize, and St. Barthelemy), all countries in the non-Latin Caribbean are predominantly negroid typically with only a modest European contribution. Within that set of islands the variation in per capita product and in homicide rates is 20-to-1. What Mark Steyn said: “If you want to know why Haiti is Haiti and Barbados is Barbados, biology doesn’t get you very far”. (Mr. Sailer has tried to salvage his preferred hypothesis with antique travelers accounts contending the best slaves were unloaded in Barbados and the most intractable in Jamaica).

  18. But the basic problem is overpopulation and ignorance

    ‘Overpopulation’ is a nonsense term. ‘Ignorance’ in this context is merely jejune.

  19. “Tropical Africa” covers many countries and is meant to be, I regret to say, obfuscatory. I wrote “West Africa”.

    It isn’t and you’re not making much sense here. There are some parts of Equatorial Africa and the Sahel that are deeply impoverished, but for the most part, the standard of living in Tropical Africa doesn’t vary a whole lot from country to country. The subtropical zones are a good deal more affluent.

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