Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
That is what I think of presidential debates. I have never understood why we hold them or pay attention to them. They are a form of strange theater, having little to nothing to do with the business of being a president, and controlled by the MSM which has way too much power and way too much bias.
I sensed this one was going to be even more so. And apparently it was, as I’ve learned from reading comments here and there and around the blogosphere. A slugfest, loaded with lying and interruptions, with the moderator showing even more bias against Trump than Candy Crowley did against Romney back in 2012.
I have no idea whether this debate will matter or change a single mind. But I think debates have become a low charade, and I no longer can watch them.
The problem with debates is they’re not debates. They’re dueling press conferences.
As for this one, Biden repeatedly lied about as much as I’ve seen and while other people are criticizing Wallace for other things, asking a question based on the PROVABLY FALSE fine people hoax is the worst thing I can recall any supposed journalist doing.
I’ve called this election a national IQ test and Biden is betting on stupid. Blatantly refusing to state whether or not he supports eliminating the filibuster and court-packing is just a direct insult to voters.
Mike
Consider yourself lucky, neo. It was a full-on sh*t show of the first order. No disagreement from me that debates are pointless, even more so these days. I watched it just to have seen it. I’d be lying if I said I found anyone involved with it impressive.
I’ve never liked how Trump debates, but I guess it works for some people. I thought his debates in 2016 would seal the deal on his imminent blow-out, so what do I know?
My honest opinion is that Trump “lost,” speaking from my best imitation of a middle-of-the-road undecided waffling fence-sitter. I’m not sure it matters all that much either way, since so few people are going to be moved by a debate.
Lastly, I want to say that even participating in this charade was a big unforced error on Trump’s part. He should never have consented to a debate with only Wallace as the moderator. At the very least there must be a panel with real conservatives in the mix to balance out the inherent lefty bias in the nature of the thing (what “everyone knows” in public is left-wing BS, hence why Wallace just casually asserted that Trump said “fine people on both sides” and demanded, absurdly, that he denounce white supremacists, without asking the same of Biden with respect to BLM and antifa).
Trump knows better. I don’t know why he agreed to this.
Whatever, though. I doubt it’s going to make any meaningful difference. But I was cringing a lot.
The one useful thing I think came from the debate is that it demonstrated that Biden and his campaign are entirely in the group that thinks everything was just fine the morning of Election Day 2016, there was not one single legitimate reason Trump won, and everything will go back to being just fine if we get rid of Trump.
Mike
And to expand on this: the fact that Tucker Carlson would never be allowed to moderate a debate, but Chris Wallace and Jake Tapper and whoever are just peachy, shows how fraudlent the process is. The concerns of all the people who vote for one side are not represented or addressed, because the moderators, to a man/woman, are invested in not addressing them.
This means a man who is keen to the skew, like Trump, feels the need to interrupt, correct, bristle, and call out, which has a tendency to make him look like more of a prickly, overly sensitive, thin-skinned bully than he may in fact be.
It’s a loser. Stop joining it. Stop dignifying it. Just say no.
I expect a Pence vs Harris debate might be more watchable.
Biden has a plan. It is right here somewhere. He will tell you what it is one of these days. You know how it goes.
Biden: ” I am the Democratic Party”. Pretty emphatic statement. Except when pressed about things such as rampant violence and destruction.. (paraphrasing here) Well, no I didn’t call Governors and Mayors and tell them they needed to shut down the violence because I am not an elected official.
BLM and ANTIFA proudly take credit for their mayhem, and declare their intent. So, Wallace asks Trump about the “Proud Boys”. Not once, but repeatedly.
Biden called Trump a liar so often that I was certain Trump would challenge him to a duel. I would have loved it if he had walked across the set, slapped him across the face with his glove, and demanded satisfaction. I guess that would not play well, with the moderates and Independents.
I hope that Wallace isn’t expecting an invitation to the White House Christmas party. In fact I would suggest that he stay well clear of the Trump family. One of those statuesque Trump women might put a hurt on the wee fellow.
I shouldn’t be commenting here. My wife tells me that I did not watch enough to be informed. On the other hand, I saw enough. I finally left the room because she found my language offensive. I never used offensive language in front of her until fairly recently; not until TDS became endemic.
I quickly turned on the tv and it was on CNN. They had some guy “fact checking” Trump on mail-in voting. Wrong. False. Wrong. The guy quickly went down the list saying Trump was wrong on every single story brought up about the issue. “Whatever Trump says about that issue has to be looked at skepticism.” The channel then went to focus groups made up of undecided voters. I then turned the TV off.
Stand by and stand down wasn’t a good sound bite, but why was the question on ‘white supremacist’ they’re not the ones burning, rioting, looting. Trump should have said, ‘what white supremacist are you talking about, Chris?” It was a weird kind of flip-flopped set up.
As I commented to a friend immediately after the debate:
I thought Biden outperformed vs expectations, and Trump didn’t do himself any favours – he tried to make Biden lose it, and came close, but ultimately failed. As a result he came across as petulant. Overall not much to move the vote dial.
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“He should never have consented to a debate with only Wallace as the moderator. At the very least there must be a panel with real conservatives in the mix to balance out the inherent lefty bias….”
Or, before the main event, get a slew of TV time, to explain to the public, *why* guys like Wallace are so suspect to so many people, and why he couldn’t get the Debate Commission to do the country right.
If you’re gonna fight, go all out.
Oldflyer, great comment. You crack me up. Real belly laughs.
I don’t like the unmannerly jousting that came with this WWE type event. But there is bad blood between the sides. And Trump had to debate Biden and Wallace. I would be prickly too when facing a man who was in on the beginning of the coup attempt against me.
But wait, Dan Bongino has an opinion and he might be right. He opines that Trump was trying to get under Joe’s skin and make him declare he wasn’t squarely behind the DNC platform with the Green New Deal, defunding the police, free college, universal health care, open borders, etc. Joe was weak when challenged on the Green New Deal and universal healthcare, both issues that the Bernie Bros are very keen on. They are not wild about Joe anyway, so some may stay home or vote for the Green candidate unless Joe gets more strongly behind their program. Well, it’s a possibility. Bongino is pretty savvy.
Wow. What an embarrassing loss for Trump. Not that mail-in wasn’t going to ensure his landslide loss.
Chris Wallace absolutely destroyed Trump tonight. Trump was blathering like the fool Biden would have been without the amphetamines.
Anyone who is a registered republican, you’re headed for the noose in December when the Purge starts
GAME OVER!
I see the trollfest has started already.
PA Cat,
The trollfest has been going strong at Instapundit for hours. Particularly the concerned variety.
I see we have a GAME OVER troll here now. But they just aren’t up to even Montage’s bargain basement standards.
the pandemic killed Trump’s reelection pretty much, if his opponent wasn’t so bad he wouldn’t even have a tiny chance of winning.
The consensus might well be that with (quite) a little help from the “moderator”, Biden debated himself better than expected:
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1311153917645017094
Chris Wallace describing Critical Race Theory as ‘racial sensitivity’ training needs to be juxtaposed against Kendi’s 2 day old ‘white colonizer’ tweet and shouted to the rooftops. Conservatives cannot let this pass: it is a very easily understandable way to demonstrate both the incredible bias of ‘neutral’ observers like Wallace, and the real face of CRT.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/29/moderator-chris-wallace-rebrands-critical-race-theory-as-racial-sensitivity-training/
Jack Dorsey donated 10 million dollars to Ibram Kendi’s department to further Critical Race Theory.
I can’t think of a more excellent way to demonstrate the left wing ties between the tech industry, universities, and the media, than making this apparent, and picking tweets that demonstrate Kendi’s or DiAngelo’s dangerous views.
One more thing: Biden is running perhaps the most upper-middle class white-centric campaign from a Democrat since maybe Dukakis in 1988. It is mostly focused on issues and arguments favored by that social class and when it isn’t, it still frames things to appeal to suburban wine moms.
If Trump wins by over performing with black and Latino voters, we may see a psychotic breakdown in our political elites that dwarves anything we’ve seen yet.
Mike
For the first time in 2020, I’m afraid Trump might lose what with the massive cheating campaign the Dems are executing right now.
Hope I’m wrong!
My husband is watching the debate now, on DVR. I’ve moved to another room; I can’t stand it.
All the points above are really good. But in the end nothing changed. I called it a draw mainly because Trump had some unforced errors and he was fighting Chris Wallace and Biden. What got my ire was the flat out lies that Biden told and Chris didn’t correct them. Trump should have called out Chris and ask him if he was going to correct Biden. Wallace has commented how the Charlottesville story was a hoax. I posted this also on the other thread.
This is the best analysis of the debate from Bill O’Reilly. You have to go about 15 minutes into the video and find the start. 30 minutes in total of analysis. This is the O’Reilly of old. I am starting to watch him again.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bill+o'reilly+debate+
I didn’t have the stomach to watch but I followed people who I trust who were live tweeting. It didn’t surprise me that ardent Trump supporters defended his antics while those who don’t like Trump thought he lost. My concern is how his behavior will affect the undecided voters. I tell people who ask how I can think of voting for him (again) that I focus on his policies. I’m not voting for his personality.
One final thought. The lack of the audience really hurt Trump. Like a stand up comedian, he has the instinctive feel of the audience and calibrates to that. Joe is use to performing to an empty stage so it didn’t impact him much.
The next debate is a townhall so Trump will have people around. Also people will allow Biden to provide extended answers. Trump did bail him out several times but if it wasn’t Trump it would have been Wallace doing it. I am thinking specifically about “name a single law enforcement organization that endorses you”. It will be a different story the next time around. Also the COVID fear mongering impact will be less and less. In my school district they are now having full in person classes as the panic porn is unable to be maintained.
I think Milo Yiannopoulos called it in 2016. The media with its 24-hour news cycle turned the presidential elections into a reality show. Then they were shocked when a reality show master won it. The Debates are just another weekly challenge, albeit with a heavy finger on the scale.
Somehow the senile carnival barker BiteMe seemed to have his dishonest wits about him; no mumbling, stumbling, incoherent comments.
Totally uncharacteristic of what one would have expected given his performances over the last two months or so.
Is it possible that he had taken speed or other pharmaceutical “pick me up?”
Who knows?
Regardless, the debate was a real mess; Trump did not do well.
Let’s hope he does much better in the next debate.
Subsequent to the Nixon-Kennedy debates – the first ever presidential TV debates – it was found that those who watched it on TV thought JFK had won and those who had listened on the radio thought Nixon had won.
Just shows that the visual impact a viewer perceives of a candidate can determine an individual’s decision to support, or not, a candidate.
Too bad there are no videos of the Lincoln-Douglas Debates; those were real debates in which one’s logical arguments determined who “won” the debate.
But even back then, the reviewer’s (say a newspaper reporter) political stance or like/dislike of a candidate determined how the reporter would describe the debate and debaters.
I recall reading some contemporaneous reviews of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address ( I realize this was not part of the Lincoln-Douglas Debates) ; the reviews were all over the map and basically conformed with the like/dislike of Lincoln held by the reporter.
Plus ca change plus c’est la meme chose.
I’ve now unfriended 3 long time friends (20+ years) on FB as of this morning they went into full TDS mode…worse than anything I’ve every seen from these people. The debate totally tipped them over the cliff mentally. We are heading towards a reckoning as GB keeps warning about.
There was–or should have been–a suspicion that Biden might try cheating by doing things like getting the questions ahead of time (do we really trust Chris Wallace?)—see the last Presidential debates, and Donna Brazile finally admitting that she slipped the questions to Hillary beforehand–and/or by getting directions and answers over an aid in his ear, so Republicans asked for each candidate’s ears to be inspected before the debate.
Biden’s side agreed to this and then, at the last minute, backed out.
Below is an article–including a screen shot–that points to what appears to be a wire peeking out from Biden’s jacket during the debate.*
I would have thought that Trump’s people would have just assumed that Biden would cheat by using such an aid, and that they would have had electronic means to disrupt the signal to that aid ready to go.
* See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/weird-appears-joe-bidens-wire-slipped-jacket-presidential-debate/
Snow on Pine,
Yeah, that definitely looks like a wire. And Biden’s pupils were so dilated his eyes looked like a shark’s black eyes.
Taking some time to reflect this morning, I’m even angrier about last night than I was last night. The mask really came off last night. And while I found Trump frustrating, I still think he had no choice. If he didn’t interrupt them, they would have steamrolled him. The game is rigged and until he finds a way to not play that won’t be used against him, he has to fall back on his strength, aggression.
It reminds me of once reading the SOP for being caught in an ambush: You have to respond with overwhelming firepower before you move, which is very counter-intuitive. If you move first, you will get shot. If you hide, a smart enemy will have boobie-trapped the good hiding spots and cover.
I only wish POTUS didn’t have to walk into an ambush.
Frank J. at LAMO said “I think both candidates did great. I’m really excited we have these two great choices, though it’s a bit agonizing we can each only pick one.”
Not at all. Pullease.
Biden spewed defensive lies, but held it together. Trump, as one one writer put it, was a barking dog. That is his nature. There were times Biden was on the ropes, ready to break down, then Trump’s incessant barking saved him. Trump’s constant yapping gave Biden too much time to recover. Left alone to finish a thought off script, he would have put his foot in it many times. Also Trump backed himself into a corner, always on the defensive, never particularly effective.
A debate is a display of knowledge and the ability to stay unemotional – under control, yet fight forward, spending the absolute minimum time in defense mode.
Biden did not offer anything new, but did manage strong eye contact with the camera while making points. He had a war plan. Trump had no plan, relying on instinct, and quick wit – his instinct failed him, his wit nowhere to be found, and failed to see and capitalize on times Biden was weak. Trump’s brashness and defensive rhetoric worked against him. Biden can’t be made to look as if he cannot finish a sentence or thought if Trump does not allow that to unfold.
I don’t see the Biden crowds getting any bigger nor the Trump crowds getting any smaller. It was a wash. Shame on Mr. Wallace.
Another point: This from Newt Gingrich. In a situation where both the opponent and the moderator are working against you, if you stay silent while your opponent is reciting untruths and misinformation, it allows them to stand as if those things are true. Therefore, unless the moderator will allow you to rebut the lies, they are allowed to stand. Newt opined that Trump had no choice but to interrupt as Joe was holding forth. Newt is a great debater and has a knowledge of how to take on the swamp creatures. I hope he offers Trump help in preparing for the next debate.
I’m watching the post debate analysis. The Never Trumpers and Biden are attempting to label Trump’s performance as “unhinged” – evidence of a man unfit for the presidency. IMO, Trump’s performance was evidence of a man who didn’t prepare carefully. All his acolytes were proclaiming that he answers tough questions from the press everyday, whereas Joe seldom takes questions. A case, IMO, of over confidence. I hope Trump will do the prep work needed for the next debate
We can argue here about who “won,” but about 66% of Spanish-speakers watching on Telemundo thought Trump won.
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The web tells a confused story on who won and how that conclusion might be reached. Certainly it wasn’t the slam-dunk Trump supporters hoped for.
However, remember Obama’s dreadful performance in his first debate against Romney, where Obama came off as annoyed, confused and out-of-it. His followers understandably panicked. Recall Andrew Sullivan:
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A sitting president [Obama] does not recover from being obliterated on substance, style and likability in the first debate and get much of a chance to come back. He has, at a critical moment, deeply depressed his base and his supporters and independents are flocking to Romney in droves.
I’ve never seen a candidate self-destruct for no external reason this late in a campaign before.
–Andrew Sullivan, “Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?” (10/2012)
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html
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After that debate the polls swung 12 points from 51 – 43 (Obama) to 49 – 45 (Romney). However, Obama came back and defeated Romney handily in the general election.
Why watch? These are not debates, they are press conferences with a leftist interrogator, Wallace, in charge. Interrupted Trump many, many times, and Biden just twice.
Notice China did not come up, but the Russia BS did. Putin is no danger to America, but China is determined to conquer us by all possible means.
I base my comment on media reports. I refuse to watch a “match” staged by the Left to favor the Left.
America is dying. Just wait until we get Biden’s Modern Monetary Theory, with free housing. guaranteed incomes, free health care, free college to all. And free food to some! Fried chicken and watermelon!
@Cornhead:For the first time in 2020, I’m afraid Trump might lose what with the massive cheating campaign the Dems are executing right now.
Me too.
Trump was just awful. I hope someone he trusts will sit him down and force him to watch the whole thing, the way a coach would do with an athlete.
As of this morning Trump has even lost Scott Adams, a Trump fanboy if ever there was one.
I will still vote for Trump, and vote a straight GOP ticket for the first time in my life, because the Democrats are so very much worse. I assume and hope others will do the same.
But — wow. That was terrible.
JJ said “All his acolytes were proclaiming that he answers tough questions from the press everyday, whereas Joe seldom takes questions. A case, IMO, of over confidence. I hope Trump will do the prep work needed for the next debate.”
Overconfidence has been my main fear – for both Trump and those who will vote for him. In 2016 Hilary’s supporters where overconfident thinking it was in the bag because who’d vote for a person like Trump. She also had the ‘first woman’ president as an advantage. History making was so close. But it didn’t happen. Trump won even though Hilary had the political resume. For the 2020 election, the tables could reverse. Trump supporters can either go out and vote or they can sit home and think why would anyone vote for Old Joe.
I’d rather have Trump be defeated by voter fraud than be be defeated by his own base due to their overconfidence as they stay home. If there’s one thing I’m sure of it’s that those who will vote for Joe will be in full force voting. So who will show up at the polls?
GRA:
I likewise think the Trump side was overconfident – till yesterday. Maybe still now; I’m not sure about that.
But of one thing I am almost totally sure, and that is that Trump supporters will not voluntarily stay away from the polls.
For Heaven’s sake, look at the track record, not at the man on stage for 90 minutes.
The stage(d) event will push millions to vote for Biden? If so, the country is lost and deservedly so.
For Heaven’s sake, look at the track record, not at the man on stage for 90 minutes. –Cicero
This is where I am too. If Trump’s debate performance last night were the only blemish on current American life, it might lose him the election. But it is far from the only thing voters will be thinking about in November.
Trump can be obnoxious. Everyone knows this. I guess he was more obnoxious than usual last night — I didn’t watch. It strikes me as a setback and is only a problem if it’s the start of a string of setbacks.
In the meantime the Democrats have their problems — cities in flames, their hard-left radicalization, crazy programs like the Green New Deal, voter’s lack of confidence in Democrat economic programs, the possibility Biden’s cognitive abilities will fail him terribly or Harris’s jagged edges will show, etc.
We are coming to the homestretch but it’s not nearly over yet.
Frank J. at LAMO said “I think both candidates did great. I’m really excited we have these two great choices, though it’s a bit agonizing we can each only pick one.” – In-Activist
The Bee is also on the case.
https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-come-out-of-debate-excited-by-their-two-great-choices
Well, one down, two to go (maybe*).
A lot of pundits think Trump made points by forcing Biden to repudiate some of the most radical planks in his platform (and lie about it at that), but I’m not so sure.
The LIVs who might watch or read about the debates will only see that Biden sounds moderate and reasonable, just like they still see the Democrat Party as only moderately leftish, because the media is “covering the story with a pillow until it stops moving,” as Iowahawk so memorably puts it.
They may literally have no idea what kind of socialist manifesto resides on his website.
As for alienating the socialists -Communists-anarchists in the Left-Democrat base and incentivizing the angry Bernie Bros to stay home and not vote for Biden out of pique: not gonna happen.
They actually DO know that he’s pulling a head-fake to sway concerned Democrats and Independents, and will go right back to what he told them he would do (and certainly President Harris will).
So far I have only found one pundit that agrees with me, in a rather strange post that brought up something I didn’t yet see anyone else mention (although him catching it is no surprise).
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2020/09/30/why-biden-said-inshallah-during-the-debate-n988636
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https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/09/30/heres-how-we-know-trump-won-the-first-debate-n988128
**Maybe because they can’t run the captive-moderator-plus-hidden-wire con again?
Gateway Pundit’s “wire” post had a Tweet by Lin Wood with a reply that included schematics of an audio induction loop with invisible ear piece.
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311272430346940416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1311272430346940416%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F09%2Fweird-appears-joe-bidens-wire-slipped-jacket-presidential-debate%2F
THAT lead to a Tweet I feel obliged to enlighten you with.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311385306571042816
GP also has the interruption counter data:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/know-won-thoroughly-defeated-democrats-urge-joe-biden-cancel-future-debates/
To those who either watched the debate or read a transcript or perused a discussion, it is clear that President Trump acceded to Wallace’s request to name and shame the nefarious White Supremacists who the Democrats claim are such a menace to the Republic, and Joe Biden specifically mentioned the Proud Boys, so Trump very civilly complied.
No problem for him: he has called out and condemned Right-wing extremists many times, even though the Left will not concede that point (media-story-pillow; some assembly required).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/30/presidential-debate-read-full-transcript-first-debate/3587462001/
But, a search for what the FBI director said (“Wray white supremacists violent incidents”) turned up 3 top stories on the debate claiming that Trump did not denounce violent right wing groups, when the transcript shows explicitly that he did.
That version is also what one of the Left’s pundits sees on HIS movie screen, and you can bet that he speaks for many others, even as he runs this post to convince those that might still be unenlightened.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-proud-boys-stand-back-stand-debate-moment-was-ncna1241570?icid=recommended
by Dean Obeidallah
I don’t know how much more unequivocal you can get than “Sure” – but the Left specializes in making words mean what they want them to mean.*
Bet you were also surprised to see that often-debunked Charlottesville canard still making the rounds. It’s like a political perpetual motion machine.
Not diminishing those two tragedies in any way, but I’m sure you are all impressed by his reference source; I suspect many of you have seen how creatively SPLC got that 55% growth rate. Note that the author then implies that the growth of groups is indicative of a growth in violent incidents, which is NOT what the SPLC actually said.
Here is what Wray told Congress:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/wray-claims-white-supremacists-make-largest-share-racially-motivated-terrorists-us-blm-burns-businesses-ground-video/
This is what a DHS draft report gave as evidence that might possibly be what Wray refers to.
Watch the sleight of hand on how they determine threats.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236
Politico doesn’t list the attacks, so I wonder which DVE actors committed the other half of all lethal attacks (8), resulting in 9 deaths; and note that 13 “WSE deaths” (39-26) were spread over 7 incidents.
And, again not diminishing the personal tragedies, 48 terrorism-related fatalities in 2019 is a slow Friday in Chicago.
The BIG take-away is that all of these drafts predate the Floyd riots in which the vast majority of violence has been enacted by Antifa and BLM, not WSE’s (and Lin Wood is suing Biden for claiming in an ad Kyle Rittenhouse is a White Supremacist**).
Back to the original post:
Gosh – how much more explicable can you get, than Biden giving Trump the name of the group he wanted called out?
But, because Trump said, “Stand back and stand by” instead of whatever phrase Obeidallah may have preferred, it was just a dog whistle that really meant “be ready to rampage on my order.”
If you hear dog whistles, you may be a dog.
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https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/09/30/ap-stylebook-please-dont-call-that-riot-a-riot/
**
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/09/30/biden-campaign-accuses-kyle-rittenhouse-of-being-a-white-supremacist/
In this case, “inexplicable” is still not the correct word to use, because it’s obvious to any casual observer that Biden explicably wants to prejudice voters in his behalf.
In addition to being cruel.
P.S. from the Proud Boys.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/black-chairman-proud-boys-speaks-liars-joe-biden-chris-wallace-call-white-supremacists/
Yeah, well, Candace Owens is a White Supremacist too, ya know!
Mr. Tarrio understood what President Trump meant, even if no one on the Left did.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-proud-boys-leader-calls-debate-great-moment-as-trump-denies-knowledge-of-group-12086267
https://www.allviewnews.com/2020/06/04/candace-owens-slammed-as-white-supremacist-and-racist-for-declaring-george-floyd-not-a-martyr-or-hero/
PS – Ace agrees with me on the Biden head-fake to the center – but thinks the radicals will be more incensed than I do.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/390569.php
The media in your country is irredeemably corrupt.
Having a journalist like Wallace interrupting Trump before he could clarify his sensible position on the Proud Boy and Antifa is simply infuriating. And this was the “conservative” moderator?
What I can’t understand – tell me if I’m wrong – is the party supposedly behind Trump: with a few exceptions, they should be denouncing the imposture with all the power of their lungs, but I don’t hear them; my (mistaken?) impression is that they are more interested in saving their own future in case of loss, fearing the moment when the PC guillotine falls.
If incredible lies can be repeated today with complete impunity, not only in the media but by state agencies directly under the President’s command, what’s going to happen if Democrats win?
Borrowed from the Decline thread, as more topical here.
JimNorCal on October 1, 2020 at 2:29 am said:
A day later, Trump’s debate performance looks better, much better.
A week from now, will it be generally agreed that PDJT won? I would not be surprised.
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Trump has taken the Power Points of the debate onto the rally stage.
The Democrat-Media Complex won’t report on it, but the base will get educated (impossible in 90 minutes of the three-way cat-fighting) and maybe some of the undecideds and LIVs will start to notice.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-biden-antifa-ideas-dont-burn-down-buildings
“If incredible lies can be repeated today with complete impunity, not only in the media but by state agencies directly under the President’s command, what’s going to happen if Democrats win?” – Paolo
We’re toast.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1311671868655652867.html
Once you realize that the loudest part of America is gradually morphing into professional wresting, then current times make more sense. What has happened to public discourse in the last thirty years coincides with the popularity of pro wrestling. Even those in the media who claim to know nothing about pro wrestling imitate it. What part of America’s public discourse is far separated from the language (“rip them up!”), style (more over the top each day), and methods of pro wrestling, its loud-mouth stars, its gimmicks, its language (“Slam!”), and its promotion (“titanic battle of the giants”)?
We haven’t been invaded by body snatchers, just by our own vulgarians. We can’t change this by statute, only by cultural renewal, starting with faith, art, music, dance, history, and veneration for things which should be venerated.