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  1. A victory for Biden (and his black female VP, whoever she may turn out to be) will sound the death knell of our republic. Even the increasingly unlikely triumph of his opponent will do no more than postpone the inevitable transformation of the country into something which has truly undergone a “sea change.” Just within the past two generations, two countries (one very large, one very small) have been utterly and thoroughly transformed, and I doubt whether any Chinese or any Irish person would disagree.

  2. As I’ve said before, a Biden victory (fraudulent or not) will also see the Senate get a Democrat majority. And then the US is dead, forever. Maduroland, here we come. The greatest nation in the history of the globe should be immolated by one election?
    Can you imagine what the Schiff crowd will do to Trump and to his entire family and cohort? Ruin them, is what.
    That there are so-called “anti-Trump” Republicans gives me the shivers. Like Carly Fiorina and George W., crowing that they will not vote for him.
    The Americans who vote Democratic will get what they deserve, and they will get it good and hard.
    The only event that can save even a remnant of America from becoming Maduroland is a civil war.

  3. Cicero:

    The report that George W. Bush said that is incorrect. See this from about a month ago:

    George W. Bush’s spokesman said Monday that The New York Times report that the former president won’t support President Trump’s reelection was “completely made up.”

    Spokesman Freddy Ford told The Texas Tribune that the Times’s report, which cited people familiar with Bush’s thinking, was false, but that Bush will avoid speaking publicly on his 2020 presidential vote.

    “This is completely made up,” Ford said. “He is retired from presidential politics and has not indicated how he will vote.”

    The Times report also said Bush’s brother, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R), who was one of Trump’s 2016 primary rivals, is unsure of how he will vote in the upcoming presidential election.

    Ford had told the Times that the former president would not get involved in the elections and would only speak out on policy issues like he did last week when he said during massive protests against police brutality the U.S. must “examine our tragic failures.”

    Both Bush brothers, as well as their parents, former President George H.W. Bush and first lady Barbara Bush, said in 2016 that they weren’t voting for Trump.

    So the report was fake news from the Times.

    It doesn’t surprise me that they didn’t vote for Trump in 2016, when he had no track record and a lot of people who support him now were very dubious about him. However, I am outraged that they can’t rouse themselves now to defend Trump and the GOP from an attack by the far left, which threatens the very republic. It is very revealing that they have not been able to muster the strength to do this. Petty, shortsighted, destructive.

    As for Fiorina, she actually did say that she could not support Trump and probably would vote Biden, adding: “I am encouraged that Joe Biden is a person of humility and empathy and character…I think he’s demonstrated that through his life.”

    That is astounding. Even when I was a Democrat, I knew he was extremely far from being those things. It’s even more apparent now. Her ability to say something like that at this point is a demonstration of either a complete lack of judgment or a transparent hypocritical ability to lie. To what purpose? For what reason? Revenge? Or are these people simply blinded by their TDS?

    I’ve thought about the NeverTrumpers a lot. Having disliked him at first myself, but having observed him for the last three and a half years, I must say I absolutely cannot understand their pernicious behavior. And some of them I thought had a great deal more integrity than that. I was wrong.

  4. The tax increases enacted by Congress in 1932 did not cause unemployment rates of 25%. The economy was already in ruins when they were enacted. Nor did the economy deteriorate much further after they were imposed. By the middle of 1932, production levels had hit bottom. The period from the summer of 1932 to the spring of 1933 was one of stagnant production levels (punctuated with the third wave of bank failures during the period running from November 1932 to March 1933). Nor did we have 25% unemployment ‘for 10 years’. Over the period running from 1929 to 1941, the mean unemployment rate was 18%, and people on the payroll of alphabet soup agencies were counted as unemployed at that time.

  5. I’ve thought about the NeverTrumpers a lot. Having disliked him at first myself, but having observed him for the last three and a half years, I must say I absolutely cannot understand their pernicious behavior. And some of them I thought had a great deal more integrity than that. I was wrong.

    Vain fools most of them. The thing is, we’ve known for seven years at least of serial abuses of power by the Democratic Party that call into question whether decorous regulated competition between political parties can continue. It began with the IRS harassment of the TEA party and their subsequent efforts to play hide the ball with their own inspector-general (followed by Eric Holder appointing an Obama donor to ‘prosecute’ the case). This, the atrocious behavior of the security state in 2016-17, the Mueller lawfare exercise, the defamation campaign against Brett Kavanaugh; the routinized electoral fraud here, there, and the next place; the witless impeachment proceedings, and now the catastrophes of the last several months and the only thing the Bushes have had to say was (1) remarks designed to undermine the Republican presidential candidate in 2016 and (2) bits of inane commentary on civil disorders. The Bushes have shown how much loyalty they have to the people who’ve defended them and voted for them all these years: none. Go away, country club prats.

    While we’re at it, can we build a modular records center in Kansas City, transfer the archives from the Presidential libraries there, and deed what’s left to the counties in which they’re housed? It would be condign punishment for the Bushes if the counties in Texas sold off the gewgaws and auctioned their buildings off to real estate developers.

  6. I just want to know how Biden would handle China.Maybe he would make Hunter our ambassador.

  7. If the Republicans were intent of disabusing us of their being the stupid party, they would push as one of the themes of the campaign that the election of Biden would dramatically affect your wallet and your home. As a retiree I shudder as to what his policies will do to my retirement accounts focused on the stock market.

  8. All you can do is reload until you have 20,000. Voting and be involved in campaigns local, state, federal; is important. But ladies and gentlemen, be prepared to defend you and your’s.

    I realize that is a great leap for those who have never thought they would experience a need to use lethal force, but that has always been reality.

  9. Neo:
    “Both Bush brothers, as well as their parents, former President George H.W. Bush and first lady Barbara Bush, said in 2016 that they weren’t voting for Trump.”
    Which means they all voted in fact or in effect for Hillary.

    Jeb! has said he is unsure this time.
    And George W. ain’t saying, so I believe both he and Jeb! will cross the line again.
    Unprincipled and/or foolish then, and again now.

    After the Floyd death by cop, George W. said “Yet we have resisted the urge to speak out, because this is not the time for us to lecture. It is time for us to listen. It is time for America to examine our tragic failures — and as we do, we will also see some of our redeeming strengths.” (source ABC News)

    Yes, by concentrating on “our tragic failures” we will also see “SOME (emphasis added) of our redeeming strengths”. So he said. As he listened to BLM.

    We have previously examined “our tragic failures”, George. It was time to lecture, not to cede the floor to Marxists and their vicious anti-American harangues.

  10. “I’ve thought about the NeverTrumpers a lot. Having disliked him at first myself, but having observed him for the last three and a half years, I must say I absolutely cannot understand their pernicious behavior. And some of them I thought had a great deal more integrity than that. I was wrong.”

    Those are my thoughts exactly Neo. It’s depressing for me to see how many people I’ve respected and supported over the years- the Bushes, Romney, McCain, et. al. have turned out to be vain and selfish frauds. I had actually been a big fan of Carly Florina and considered a Cruz/Fiorina to be a dream ticket. At least Ted Cruz still has my respect.

    I remember that during the primaries I commented here how much I despised Trump and could never vote for the man. I also remember how commenter Sharon W respectfully answered and explained why I should reconsider. I did so and would now crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump this November.

  11. Ditto on the Bushes and Fiorina, what utter disappointments. But then collaborators always are when their true nature is revealed.

    I scanned Biden’s suicidal proposals. If enacted, a resulting emulation of Cuba and Venezuela is predictably certain, followed by Civil War ll.

  12. I don’t know if the country or republic will be over if Trump loses this November.

    What is pretty much undeniable, however, is that if Biden wins, we will not only be putting into office possibly the least mentally and physically fit President ever (which includes the guy who died a month after his inauguration), and we will not only be rewarding the worst political behavior and actions in over a century, but we will be handing power to people who literally have NO IDEA how to deal with the challenges facing the nation.

    I worry less about some socialist revolution than I do that the Democrats and the entire political establishment (which includes plenty of Republicans) have no clue what to do about this pandemic, our looming problems of deficit and debt, radical Islamic terrorism, China, trade, immigration, education, race relations, our crumbling infrastructure, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, and the list goes on and on and on.

    I don’t mean I don’t like their plans for any of those things. I mean, if you really look into it, they don’t have any intelligible or coherent plans for anything other than pretending it’s forever October 2008 in America.

    Mike

  13. And then there’s Biden’s plan to continue Obama’s course for the suburbs:

    neo: I knew that was a Stanley Kurtz article without clicking. Back then Kurtz was raising the alarm on the Obama plan to force the suburbs back into the urban tax base to pay for the big Democrat plans for the cities and to force the suburbs to integrate at quota rates.

    It’s a serious threat and people better pay attention. God bless Stanley Kurtz.

  14. I keep thinking of that scene in “Dr. Zhivago” when Zhivago manages to return, after serving as a doctor in WW I and the Bolshevik Revolution, to his family home only to discover his home has been subdivided into tenements run by communists who treat him quite coldly.

    –“Dr. Zhivago”, “Comrade Kaprugina delivers a scolding”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq__Z-Z_Ofs

  15. I keep thinking of that scene in “Dr. Zhivago” when Zhivago manages to return, after serving as a doctor in WW I and the Bolshevik Revolution, to his family home only to discover his home has been subdivided into tenements run by communists who treat him quite coldly.

    IIRC, in the book the family voluntarily divides the home up.

  16. After the Floyd death by cop,

    Once more with feeling: the level of fentanyl in his femoral blood (11 nanograms per cc) is one pathologists commonly find in the cadavers of those who’ve died of overdoses.

  17. neo: I knew that was a Stanley Kurtz article without clicking. Back then Kurtz was raising the alarm on the Obama plan to force the suburbs back into the urban tax base to pay for the big Democrat plans for the cities and to force the suburbs to integrate at quota rates.

    1. Obama and federal officials didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of accomplishing any such thing.

    2. Kurtz is being a pig head. Metropolitan centers would benefit from consolidating certain services (police especially). Ditto non-metropolitan counties.

  18. Yet we have resisted the urge to speak out, because this is not the time for us to lecture. It is time for us to listen. It is time for America to examine our tragic failures — and as we do, we will also see some of our redeeming strengths.” (source ABC News)

    Listen to whom, George? What a maroon…

  19. I worry less about some socialist revolution than I do that the Democrats and the entire political establishment (which includes plenty of Republicans) have no clue what to do about this pandemic, our looming problems of deficit and debt, radical Islamic terrorism, China, trade, immigration, education, race relations, our crumbling infrastructure, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, and the list goes on and on and on.

    Liberals no longer stand for anything but manufacturing politically mediated incomes for their clientele (by fleecing everyone else) and contriving legal harassment of social enemies. The establishment Republicans are lickspittles of business lobbies.

  20. Art Deco: Not buying it.

    Pretty much not buying anything you say, since you don’t make arguments, certainly not with cites, just your opinions that pope-like you can’t imagine to be anything other than the truth.

    Plus the cuckoo-clock regularity of your gainsaying.

    Then there’s the perpetually insulting tone.

  21. “I remember that during the primaries I commented here how much I despised Trump and could never vote for the man. I also remember how commenter Sharon W respectfully answered and explained why I should reconsider. I did so and would now crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump this November.” Chris B
    Wow. This made my day. Thanks Chris. And I share the feelings of some of the commenters here regarding feeling betrayed by so many of the Republicans that I had defended and stood up for while they were reviled by the Democrats. What a slap in the face.

  22. Then again, why not discuss Biden the man?

    https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/07/05/quote-of-the-day-im-joe-bidens-husband-joe-biden/

    I would feel more sorry for him if he hadn’t started this whole process himself, but the DNC is guilty of extreme elder abuse here.

    Once upon a time, I felt that term limits for politicians was an affront to free agency and the democratic process. Now I support maximum years in any kidn of government service (as with the military), retirement ages (including judges and justices), and term limits for elected officials.
    Plus no more family dynasties: one and done, no passing the torch to brother or son (or daughter).

  23. Victor Hanson, at the end of a laundry-list of the now-classic lies from the uper echelons of our society & government.
    https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/05/an-industry-of-untruth/

    Then there was the monstrous lie that Joe Biden has no cognitive disabilities. That he does was the consensus of one in five polled Democratic voters, of many of his own primary rivals in numerous Democratic debates, of handlers who bragged that his basement quarantine need not end because it resulted in him outpolling Trump, of a scramble to turn the vice-presidential nomination into a veritable presidential bid, and in a litany of gaffes, blank outs, and tragic memory lapses of familiar names, places, and common referents.

    Biden finally came out of his bunker to do some tele-fundraising and talk to a few preselected reporters. He almost immediately blasted a reporter as a “lying dog face.” In one of his next appearances, his opening statement started with “I am Joe Biden’s husband, even as the liberal media insisted “Joe” was “Jill.” There is now a Biden-inspired cottage industry of arguing that what Biden is recorded as saying is not what he was saying—on the theory that he so poorly pronounces words that they can become almost anything you wish.

    What is cruel is cynically using a cognitively challenged candidate for the purpose of winning an election and then replacing him with a far-left vice president who otherwise likely would never have been elected.

    FDR and the Democratic Party did something similar in his successful fourth-term bid in 1944 because of FDR’s anticipated early death in office—but in matters of hiding physical rather than cognitive impairment. Moreover, at least that dishonest gambit was undertaken in order to prevent a socialist takeover of the United States by jettisoning the hard leftist, Vice President Henry Wallace.

    In 2020, the effort is not to ensure that a socialist not be appointed president who otherwise would not have been elected, but rather to ensure that she will be.

    The brand of all cultural revolutions is untruth about the past and present in order to control the future. Why we have let this happen to our country is the only mystery left.

  24. Pretty much not buying anything you say, since you don’t make arguments, certainly not with cites, just your opinions that pope-like you can’t imagine to be anything other than the truth.

    Do you have a single example of federally-imposed metropolitan government? Does Stanley Kurtz?

  25. Provide an example of a “federally-imposed metropolitan government?”

    That was a bit of misdirection Art.

    Kurtz was talking about federal policies, specifically requiring low income housing and highway/mass transit grants that would change the demographics and intentionally change the politics of the suburbs.

  26. Kurtz was talking about federal policies, specifically requiring low income housing and highway/mass transit grants that would change the demographics and intentionally change the politics of the suburbs.

    Outside of megalopolitan blobs, only a single-digit minority rely on mass transit to get around. I have no clue why you or Kurtz fancy putting in another bus route is going to have a significant effect on the demographics of a given suburban town.

    As for housing, federal subsidies extended through HUD account for about 2% of all expenditure on housing in this country. I doubt many suburban governments are putting in applications for HUD grants and even if they were, no one’s forcing them to do that. Sluicing people into suburban neighborhoods is an object of the Section 8 program, the basis for that being studies done a generation ago suggesting people living outside of slums are easier to coax / shoo off welfare.

    All of 5.5% of all households are receiving some sort of rental assistance. However, a great many of these have elderly or disabled persons at their core, not generic slum dwellers. The changes to raw ‘demographics’ resulting from these programs would be small. The problem erupts when you dispatch lumpenproletarians to suburban neighborhoods as small knots of them can cause a great deal of trouble. That’s a law enforcement problem.

  27. That was a bit of misdirection Art.

    No, it was on point, which is why you don’t want to answer.

  28. Art Deco:

    You can say that Kurtz was writing about “federally-imposed metropolitan government” but saying something doesn’t make it so.

    Cite the passage in Kurtz’s article please since you are claiming it is there.

    No stats please, just the facts.

  29. I looked to see what Carly is up to these days that might possibly explain her support of Biden. Turns out her leadership group, Unlocking Potential, does a lot of diversity training. I guess she thinks a Biden administration would be better for her business.

  30. I can’t quite see where the metaphor below fits in this whole political mess, but I have feeling that it does somehow apply.

    I recently read in a work of fiction the assertion that some retirement/old folks homes, in which many of their “guests”–having problems with things like dementia and Alzheimers, and agitated at being confined, and wanting to return to their homes–were presented with fake bus stops in front of some of these institutions (this deception said to have first been put into place in Germany).

    The thought being that if their “guests” were going to “escape,” to run off, they would likely gravitate to a familiar thing like a bus stop, which made it much easier for the management of these establishments to round them up, rather than having their escaping “guests” wander further afield, and be hard to track down.

    Quite a sad and moving image, that; all of these deceived oldsters, waiting in vain at the fake bus stop for the bus that would help them to “escape”–that would take them home to familiarity and freedom.

  31. Or, perhaps it’s just the obvious, and the fake bus stop is today’s Republican Party, and the majority of “Republicans” in Congress.

  32. Cont’d –Or perhaps its just ol’ “Lunchbox” Joe, standing alone and confused at that bus stop, and a waitin’ for old number 50 ta show up.

  33. Bozo Deco or Clown Art?

    You didn’t cite the text in Kurtz’s article from NRO did you? Misdirection. I read the article too when it came out, it was prescient.

    BTW, “stalker” doesn’t mean what you imply, or are you just as using the Art Deco dictionary again? Sheesh.

  34. I would imagine that if the government (Federal or otherwise) legislates creating “projects” in the suburbs, then many if not most suburbanites will either sooner or later flee further afield.

    (But that only means that the ideologues will be looking for the next thing to destroy; though I assume that their eyes are always open for “opportunities”.)

  35. You didn’t cite the text in Kurtz’s article from NRO did you?

    You’re perfectly capable of clicking on the link and reading it yourself, starting with the frigging title.

  36. I would imagine that if the government (Federal or otherwise) legislates creating “projects” in the suburbs, then many if not most suburbanites will either sooner or later flee further afield.

    A grand total of 0.6% of the population currently lives in public housing, and half of these are old or disabled. Suburban townships commonly have land use regulations that would prevent the construction of any sort of project other than a set of townhouses or garden apartments.

  37. Art Deco:

    See this:

    Once Biden starts to enforce AFFH the way Obama’s administration originally meant it to work, it will be as if America’s suburbs had been swallowed up by the cities they surround. They will lose control of their own zoning and development, they will be pressured into a kind of de facto regional-revenue redistribution, and they will even be forced to start building high-density low-income housing. The latter, of course, will require the elimination of single-family zoning. With that, the basic character of the suburbs will disappear. At the very moment when the pandemic has made people rethink the advantages of dense urban living, the choice of an alternative will be taken away.

    …[O]n top of AFFH, Biden now plans to use Cory Booker’s strategy for attacking suburban zoning. AFFH works by holding HUD’s Community Development Block Grants hostage to federal-planning demands. Suburbs won’t be able to get the millions of dollars they’re used to in HUD grants unless they eliminate single-family zoning and densify their business districts. AFFH also forces HUD-grant recipients to sign pledges to “affirmatively further fair housing.” Those pledges could get suburbs sued by civil-rights groups, or by the feds, if they don’t get rid of single-family zoning. The only defense suburbs have against this two-pronged attack is to refuse HUD grants. True, that will effectively redistribute huge amounts of suburban money to cities, but if they give up their HUD grants at least the suburbs will be free of federal control.

    The Booker approach — now endorsed by Biden — may block even this way out. Booker wants to hold suburban zoning hostage not only to HUD grants, but to the federal transportation grants used by states to build and repair highways. It may be next to impossible for suburbs to opt out of those state-run highway repairs. Otherwise, suburban roads will deteriorate and suburban access to major arteries will be blocked. AFFH plus the Booker plan will leave America’s suburbs with no alternative but to eliminate their single-family zoning and turn over their planning to the feds.

  38. Not that the federal government would expand regulations to force local communities to change zoning regulations, because of disparate impact or systemic racism. That would be unprecedented, almost unimaginable, inappropriate, or another “in…” word. That could never happen, statistically speaking.

    The authority has spoken.

  39. Art Deco — not a federally-mandated full metropolitan government, but a federal district judge in the 1970s or ’80s did order St. Louis city and suburban school districts to allow students from the city to be able to attend suburban district schools.

    Barry Meislin — California law now requires municipalities to grant new building permits unless a specified “affordable housing” percentage is reached.

  40. Art Deco — not a federally-mandated full metropolitan government, but a federal district judge in the 1970s or ’80s did order St. Louis city and suburban school districts to allow students from the city to be able to attend suburban district schools

    It was Kansas City and it was a complete failure.

  41. There are two reasons I can see people voting for Biden: They’re bigoted towards Trump and/or they believe what the MSM has said about Trump.

    Women: Trump’s sexist.
    PoC: Trump’s racist.
    Woke: All of the above and more, AND he made America a laughing stock of the world.
    The World: We’re scared of Trump. We feel sorry for you Americans who have to live under his reign.
    Canada: Become a Canadian!

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden does win. Disheartened but not surprised.

  42. Like some of you, I was *very* negative about Trump before the election. Still, I’d probably have voted for him if I lived in a swing state. As it is, I live in a sure-win state for Trump, so I availed myself of a third-party protest vote. Unlike y’all, I’m still fairly negative, though not as much as before the election. (Not interested in arguing about it, just stating my position.) There’s absolutely no way I could ever vote for the Democrats at this point. But even though my state will go for Trump no matter what I do, I will most likely vote for him this time, because of the threat to the electoral college. The only way I would not do so is if he has an overwhelming lead in the polls, and I can’t see that happening.

    I think it’s entirely possible that Trump’s victory in 2016 (and possible victory this year) will turn out to have been pyrrhic. But you can’t choose defeat because your victory may not work out.

    At this point it’s a vote for or against the continuation of our constitutional system.

  43. Art Deco:

    They tried and it was a complete failure, that is a feature not a bug. They don’t learn from their failures. They just have to try on a bigger scale. “Real communism has never been tried.”

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