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DeSantis vs. Cuomo: the coverage is the thing

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The MSM has it backwards, of course:

A couple of months ago, the media, almost as one, decided that Governor Ron DeSantis was a public menace who was going to get Floridians killed with his lax response to the coronavirus crisis.

In an interview with National Review, DeSantis says he was surprised at “how knee-jerk” the hostile coverage was, but he “also knew that none of these people knew anything about Florida at all, so I didn’t care what they were saying.”…

DeSantis and his team have followed the science closely from the beginning, which is why they forged a nuanced approach, but one that focused like a laser on the most vulnerable population, those in nursing homes.

Good for him. Smart man, as well as brave.

In contrast:

…[A}t the same time DeSantis was being made into a villain, New York governor Andrew Cuomo was being elevated as a hero, even though the DeSantis approach to nursing homes was obviously superior to that of Cuomo. Florida went out of its way to get COVID-19-positive people out of nursing homes, while New York went out of its way to get them in, a policy now widely acknowledged to have been a debacle.

The media didn’t exactly have their eyes on the ball. “The day that the media had their first big freakout about Florida was March 15th,” DeSantis recalls, “which was, there were people on Clearwater Beach, and it was this big deal. That same day is when we signed the executive order to, one, ban visitation in the nursing homes, and two, ban the reintroduction of a COVID-positive patient back into a nursing home.”

DeSantis is bemused by the obsession with Florida’s beaches. When they opened in Jacksonville, it was a big national story, usually relayed with a dire tone. “Jacksonville has almost no COVID activity outside of a nursing-home context,” he says. “Their hospitalizations are down, ICU down since the beaches opened a month ago. And yet, nobody talks about it. It’s just like, ‘Okay, we just move on to the next target.’”

The MSM now reminds me of fortune-tellers and astrologers, as well as those guys with “end of the world is nigh” placards who used to be the butt of this sort of joke. Their predictions are repeatedly false, and yet they just ignore that and go on to make new (false) predictions.

The MSM also brings this to mind:

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DeSantis vs. Cuomo: the coverage is the thing — 30 Comments

  1. IMO Cuomo committed manslaughter by knowingly putting those infected with COVID19 in nursing homes. I think he didn’t care about the consequences.

  3. So yesterday I got into a FB brawl. A friend from grad school who lives in NC asked that I post the data I had on Georgia as he knows that they have been opened the longest and wanted to know what has happened. I posted the data and it brought out his leftist friends in droves. Whoa!!

    Apparently the newest leftist story line is that Georgia, Florida, and Texas are all deliberately adjusting their data so that cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all going down. It’s all a lie they were all claiming; those states are actually seeing big increases in the virus. They immediately pointed to the published error in Georgia as proof. 256 tests were mislabeled as negative when they were actually positive (out of some 35,000 cases). Georgia issued a correction, but as far as these people were concerned it was total proof that the data is all a lie.

    When I pointed out that if it’s not a mistake but deliberate, then those states are intentionally killing their own citizens by changing the data and allowing the openings. The universal response was….wait for it…..of course they are, Trump told them to, and we all know he’s a lying POS and will willingly kill people to pump himself up. Wow.

  4. Torturing Our Elderly And Stealing From Our Children

    Stay-at-home orders imposed on U.S. citizens – especially elderly singles living alone – amount to torture according to the standards advocated by the United Nations.

    The UN expert concludes that:

    “The severe and often irreparable psychological and physical consequences of solitary confinement and social exclusion are well documented and can range from progressively severe forms of anxiety, stress, and depression to cognitive impairment and suicidal tendencies. This deliberate infliction of severe mental pain or suffering may well amount to psychological torture.”

    If the psychological damage from the Federal and state governments’ unprecedented attack on the civil liberties of its current citizens is not enough reason to restore our freedoms, consider the financial effect on America’s future generations. The ongoing and massive Federal government giveaways are stealing money from our children. Each trillion dollars being given away saddles each American years from now with another $2,000 or more in debt. Future generations will never pay it off. Many young and unborn Americans will be burdened with huge annual interest expenses over their entire lives on debt that they did not incur.

    The economic plight of our country was supposedly justified to reduce deaths from COVID-19. Eventually evidence will show that it was foolhardy. But it will be our children – not the dictators and bureaucrats – that end up bearing the long-term financial toll.

    It should be noted that our Federal government is perfectly happy oppressing its citizens merely on the pretense of protecting property rather than saving lives. I remember as a child being warned over the radio that going into public after a certain hour risked being shot by the National guardsmen who were patrolling our town in the aftermath of a flood. The goal was prevention of looting because there were many unoccupied houses in the flooded areas. But the threat was not that looters would be shot or that shootings would only occur in flooded areas – it was that anyone violating the curfew risked being shot.

    https://finance.townhall.com/columnists/donchambers/2020/05/12/torturing-our-elderly-and-stealing-from-our-children-n2568633

  5. When I pointed out that if it’s not a mistake but deliberate, then those states are intentionally killing their own citizens by changing the data and allowing the openings. The universal response was….wait for it…..of course they are, Trump told them to, and we all know he’s a lying POS and will willingly kill people to pump himself up. W

    We all haven’t much to say to each other anymore. And, truth be told, it’s a reasonable wager this is projection.

  6. @Parker: “I think he didn’t care about the consequences.”

    Personally I think it is worse, that he didn’t have a clue about the consequences. Either it didn’t occur to him or he was focused on some other aspect of the issue. Which would, of course, mean he is grossly incapable of making sound, positive policy in a crisis. Unqualified and incompetent, likely arrogant too.

  7. Physicsguy:

    Sounds about what one should expect from online leftists. Oh, but they’re the ones who love science so much! And it’s only conservatives who believe in crackpot conspiracy theories.

    Sure…

  8. physicsguy:

    You will never convince them. They will just say any evidence you produce is a lie.

  9. Hell, I normally reside in one of the COVID-bad states, Louisiana, but may not enter Florida by vehicle without a mandatory 14 day quarantine at my 2nd home (or fewer days, if I leave the state early). By edict, FL state troopers will interrogate all LA-tagged vehicles at the state border, pass personal data on to the law enforcement of in-Florida destinations, and those local LEOs will check to see if I comply. Jail +/- big fine for non-compliance. Edict remains unchanged as of today.

    I could of course fly into FL via ATL if any planes were flying, then rent a car in FL. But perhaps an LA license plate, not a person, carries the virus, and airport car rentals are fine.

    So don’t give me “DeSantis is holy” stuff.

  10. Cicero:

    Of course DeSantis isn’t “holy” (despite his surname). The point of this post is how the MSM demonized him and made predictions that did not pan out about what would happen his state in terms of the disease, and how they lionize Cuomo, whose policies have been far worse.

  11. “So don’t give me “DeSantis is holy” stuff.”

    Is he supposed to have detectives stationed at every airport in the state, interrogating people as they come off planes and checking their temperature?

    And when I hear stories like the one from physicsguy, I smile. People who get that crazed usually end up one of two ways: burned out or turned on their creators.

    Mike

  12. Steve Walsh,

    I suppose it is highly likely that Cuomo is “Unqualified and incompetent”. Arrogant is a given. But to order nursing homes to take in COVID19 patients and damn the consequences simply seems callous. If he didn’t realize the likely consequences he has no business tying his own shoes.

  13. “But to order nursing homes to take in COVID19 patients and damn the consequences simply seems callous”

    Wasn’t there also a new exec order in NY (or something) that the nursing homes can’t be sued?
    So there’s that to consider too.
    I read that the care facilities were NOT told which entering seniors were COVID-infected. So they wouldn’t be shamed or discriminated against.
    Geez.

  14. My online friend GUS at another blog said in jest: “When it snows 20 inches in Cleveland, they shut down the roads in Houston, don’t they?”

    Well, here in CA they shut down the whole state including Modoc County which to this day has 0 cases and 0 deaths. Truthfully, about half the geographic area of CA had a handful of cases. LA, SF, Silicon Valley had a bunch of cases and a number of counties had a moderate number of cases.
    In Mich, Detroit had a lot of cases and I think a few larger cities had a moderate number. But shutting down northern Michigan, or the Upper Peninsula? Just stupid.
    A whole generational cohort of Dem Governors have proved to be stupid, authoritarian and vengeful.

  15. The numbers are being refactored down because of the findings of their adding covid to death certs wrongly. the difference is died with covid vs died from covid…

    i posted a while back that this was happening, and now they are “doing something” about it…

    Do a search and the first 5-10 offerings are websites denying it..
    as if they WANT the numbers to be higher….

    this page from the CDC has interesting numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of May 20, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources

    Covid deaths – 68,998
    Pneumonia deaths – 87,444
    influenza – 6,223

    If COVID-19 played a role in the death, it should be mentioned on the death certificate.
    Normally abbreviations and acronyms are discouraged, but COVID-19 is unambiguous and is acceptable.
    Include pre-existing conditions that complicated death in Part 2 of the death certificate.
    It is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed”—certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID-19 infection was likely.

    given that hospitals get a bonus if its covid, many are skewing the totals
    also in the early days, flu and pneumonia were presumed

    part of this is because of articles like this:

    A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.

    Sebastian Yellow, 35, was found dead by police on May 4. Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers later determined that his death was due to acute alcohol poisoning. His blood-alcohol content measured in at .55. The legal limit in the state is .08.

    But before Deavers signed the death certificate, Colorado health officials reportedly categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19.
    [snip]
    Back in April, health officials in Colorado classified three nursing home fatalities as COVID-19 deaths, even though attending physicians ruled they were not related to the coronavirus.
    [snip]
    Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said in April the federal government was classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone’s life.

    Since Birx is saying what they dont want, she is now double plus ungood person
    and since Fauci is claiming undercount (imagining deaths at home), he is double plus good..

  16. When I first heard the news that Cuomo issued an executive order that nursing homes HAD to take back COVID-19 patients I was angry. Very angry.

    Given that so few knew anything about this novel virus when it first came into the human population it doesn’t surprise me that no one was sure what measures to take to protect the population. And, I’d be willing to give a pass if someone “in charge” made a poor choice. In fact, given that I am against the lockdowns, and have been since the beginning, I am still willing to say that many of these governors made the right call initially. They erred on the side of caution; but, should have let up when they got more information.

    But, my anger at Cuomo is not going away soon. Because it isn’t rocket science (or should I say medical science?) to know that introducing COVID-19 patients back into the most vulnerable of our population is absolutely deadly. Anyone with half a brain should have known better than to do something so stupid.

    So, forget Chris Cuomo being called “Fredo” it is the older brother who is the stupid one!

  17. physicsguy – it appears your friend’s accusers are reading about this situation.
    The Left uniformly gets around the world with their conspiracy theories before ours put their swim fins on.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/387370.php

    May 20, 2020
    Ron DeSantis Debunks the Leftwing Propaganda Organization’s Latest Conspiracy Theory, That Even Though Florida Seems Safe, That’s Only Because It’s Hiding So Many Bodies It’s Not Funny

    Part of the propaganda organizations’ efforts here have been promoting leftwing conspiracy theories that although Florida’s official numbers look good, in fact, Florida is seeing huge numbers of deaths that they’re just “disappearing,” somehow.

    And the lynchpin for this conspiracy theory is the claim of a woman with a geography degree who claims she’s a “scientist,” and who has a troubled history of arrests for trespassing, assault, and sexually cyberstalking an ex.

    She was fired for insubordination, for insisting on entering her own idea of what Florida’s numbers should be rather than what actual scientist, and her actual superiors, told her the verified numbers were, but the media has decided to take this cyberstalker’s claims of being a heroic scientist fired for Telling The Truth The Rethuglikkkans Want Covered Up as their narrative.

    Rebekkah Jones is not a “scientist” as she and her media promoters claim. She has a degree in geography and… journalism, because of course.

    She is not the “chief architect” of Florida’s covid website. She seems like she’s more of a data entry person who has learned on the job how to build simple websites by taking the pre-made modules from a website-building service.

    She was not fired for refusing to “alter the numbers” but for altering the numbers herself. She is a [redacted] data entry cog. She is supposed to input the numbers that actual scientists have collected and confirmed.

    Instead, she insisted on enterring [sic]her own numbers.

    And she’s a criminal.

  18. Ace is kind of upset about this nursing home holocaust.
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/387371.php

    By the way, a friend of mine says that these decisions were not made, as I thought, to appease nurses’ unions. I thought nurses’ unions were pressuring Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf, and Whitmer to put the infected elderly back into nursing homes to spare themselves any increased risk.

    My friend says no — it’s worse than that.

    Most residents of nursing homes are on Medicaid, which pays much less of a percentage of costs than prive insurance.

    So the pressure was from hospitals to take these money-losing elderly people off their hands and put them back into the nursing homes.

    Which would kill thousands of people — but hey, better that than take a loss on providing treatment, huh?
    …
    DeSantis had the same pressures from hospitals demanding that sick nursing home patients be taken out of hospitals and put back into nursing homes.

    But he told them “No,” and ordered hospitals to treat the infected elderly.

    But he’s the villain and Cuomo’s the hero, huh?

  21. Third time on the Florida Woman, which bridges the some of the gaps in the other two stories.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/desantis-florida-covid-19-dashboard-designer-faces-cyber-sexual-harassment-charges

    Rebekah Jones made headlines this week after telling CBS12 News her removal was “not voluntary” and that she was removed from her position because she was ordered to censor some data, but refused to “manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen.”

    DeSantis said Tuesday that Jones was let go for insubordination and reiterated the stance on Wednesday with Vice President Mike Pence at his side in Orlando.

    “She didn’t listen to people who are her superiors,” said DeSantis.

    “Come to find out she’s also under active criminal charges in the state of Florida. She’s being charged with cyber-stalking and cyber sexual harassment,” said DeSantis.
    …
    DeSantis said Jones is not a scientist. He said she had degrees in journalism, communications, and geography. He also said she’s not the chief architect of the web portal.

    “She was putting data on the portal which the scientists didn’t believe was valid data,” DeSantis said. “So she didn’t listen to the people who were her superiors.”

    The governor said the dashboard data is transparent.

    “Any insinuation otherwise is just typical partisan narrative trying to be spun,” DeSantis said.

    CBS12 News reached out to Jones via the email she used to contact the station, which matches the one listed in the police report. The email bounced back with an “out of office” reply.

    My guess right now is that Florida may have recoded some of their prior “COVID” deaths for the same reason Texas did — they were deaths with COVID but not by COVID, or untested — and the data-entry-clerk wanted to #Resist, for whatever reason.

  22. Crarles,

    When no one knows? One uses common sense and knows you don’t dump infected people into vulnerable populations. Duh.

  23. Is the policy of forcing COVID infected people into Long Term Care (LTC) facilities mostly a policy of Democratic governors? States that have implemented the policy include:

    NY, PA, MI, MN

  26. AesopFan, I’m sure that must be the source of their “thinking”. But as Neo points out, even if what DeSantis said is brought to them they will immediately dismiss it, number one because DeSantis said it, and number two, because DeSantis is Orangemanbad’s stooge.

  27. “Imagine the mess Florida would be in if meth head Gillum had won”

    FL has legendary masses of old people. Yet, last time I looked dead elderly in Fl was less than 1000 whereas NY was way over 10,000.

  28. DeSantis us, like his predecessor Rick Scott, is a rock-ribbed, tough as nails conservative. Thank God he edged out the useless lefty he ran against in the Florida governor’s election in 2018. And Scott, Thank God, beat the utterly worthless Bill Nelson for the Senate, helping our bunch hugely.

  29. Just for the record, here are a few good posts on the controversy.
    All supporting Florida (and Georgia and Texas by extension).

    https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/05/21/bombshell-study-shows-covid-19-infection-rates-declining-in-states-that-lifted-lockdowns/

    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/05/21/janice-dean-takes-andrew-and-chris-cuomo-apart-over-their-nasal-swab-comedy-routine-dean-gets-fascinating-offer-to-help-cover-nursing-home-story/
    (spoiler: it is Maria Schriver)

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/05/11/dear-media-governor-kemp-will-accept-your-apology-now-n389717

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/21/two-more-weeks-new-analysis-shows-southern-states-that-reopened-too-quickly-face-resurgence-of-covid-19/
    “Your credibility ebbs daily, you printed this same prediction 8 weeks ago about GA and FL, you were wrong then, and hopefully wrong now.”
    (thus once again we see the similarities with the scare-mongering of climate change, which is always just around the corner but never arriving)

    https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2020/05/21/173929?hpnl=true

  30. @ physicsguy: Can that stand as proof that grad or professional school does not really say anything about a person’s common sense or wisdom?

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