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  1. No one involved in this conspricy were fools, except in terms of believing their lawlessness would never see the light of day. In the execution of their conspiracy they most certainly were knaves. Which in this case knaves = traitors.

  2. Lock Them Up!
    Yet another fantasy of mine.

    The main purpose of the Sham Impeachment is to allow the Dem media to minimally cover the FBI lies and crimes from the IG Report, then “move on” to more Sham Impeachment.
    Historical.
    Solemn.
    A huge shame.
    Everybody voting Dem should be ashamed of themselves.

    I also hope more feminists get asked about their support of Pres. Clinton perjuring himself to avoid sexual harassment charges — and didn’t they think the crime of perjury was worth impeachment? And how could they support his adultery enabling wife?

    No excitement until indictments.
    Will it be McCabe? Comey? or the C* lawyer who falsified the email to get FISA approval? (what’sisname)

  3. Neo pin-pointed several of the systemic problems at the FBI, aside from the situational malfeasance of the Trump investigations.

    (1) I suspect that there is no “provision requiring Department consultation before opening an investigation such as the one here involving the alleged conduct of individuals associated with a major party presidential campaign” for two possible reasons: (a) despite Watergate, one could argue that the provision was not included because no one foresaw a future need for it — computer programmers are well aware of the difficulties involved when a user does something that they did not anticipate and thus have no code in place to handle; or (b) despite Watergate, the PTB determined that it was better not to have a requirement that the mandated upper management names on the dotted lines, thus maintaining plausible deniability even if upper management knew exactly what was going on and even facilitiated it.

    (2) The absence of “documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted OI in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures” could be because (a) there was no misconduct (y’all stop laughing!); or (b) nobody was stupid enough to put their bias into the official record (except Strzok & Page, of course, and their texts were not part of the official record).

    In the minds of impartial observers who know something of human nature and history, (1b) connects directly to (2b) for obvious reasons.

    (3) Since Horowitz “also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or problems we identified,” one wonders just what unsatisfactory explanations he DID receive.

    (4) That “The agents and SSAs also did not follow, or appear to even know, the requirements in the Woods Procedures” looks to me to be one possible source of unsatisfactory explanations, and is, IMO, the most problematic situation identified in the report.

    What possible good will it do to put new safety procedures in place if, in the future, the agents responsible don’t know what they are, or don’t follow them?

    There have to be penalties — serious ones — for the failures of the supervisors who should have made sure the Woods Procedures were known and followed, and the agents who did know them and ignored them.

  4. The Epoch Times summary of the report that Neo linked is very good.
    Here is a section that jumped out at me because I hadn’t seen it before.

    The IG noted that it appeared that some of the members of Crossfire Hurricane elected to utilize their own judgments rather than presenting the evidence to the OI for a legal and procedural decision:

    “We believe that case agents may have improperly substituted their own judgments in place of the judgment of OI, or in place of the [FISA] court, to weigh the probative value of the information,” the report stated.

    The IG report also hinted at biases within the investigative FBI group without specifically using the actual term:

    If it looks like bias, walks like bias,….

  5. This whole Deep State whitewash BS report by Horowitz is, nonetheless, an extremely good argument for completely eliminating the rubber stamp “Star chamber” FISA court, which has reportedly approved 99.9% of requests for FISA warrants.

  6. Some congressman said the Executive Summary (ES) contained in the Horowitz report “is only 11 pages, read it.” Well, it’s 19 pages long and somewhat of a slog, and I got about 2/3’s through it. First couple pages are preamble with some boilerplate.

    A WSJ piece said, “While Mr. Horowitz found that the bureau had sufficient justification to open the investigation, …”

    Well, no. Horowitz said that in opening the investigation DoJ and FBI rules and guidelines were met. Then he says,

    However, we were concerned to find that neither the AG Guidelines nor the DIOG contain a provision requiring Department consultation before opening an investigation such as the one here involving the alleged conduct of individuals associated with a major party presidential campaign.

    OK, he is “concerned.” Not earthshattering, but it strongly suggests that he does not think opening the investigation was justified.
    _____

    “… was there no FBI acknowledgement of the caution needed due to the unusual fact that Crossfire Hurricane involved the special circumstances of a presidential campaign and dirt delivered by the opposition?” — Neo

    There is a great deal in the Horowitz ES on just this point. I can’t do it justice, but here is a little. There is a “Sensitive Investigative Matter” (SIM) designation. They did do the SIM designation, and that took the matter part way up the FBI food chain, but not into the DoJ proper. (Again lax rules)

    When that was approved, they proceed to use “the least intrusive methods” as required. Then they moved up to using Confidential Human Sources (CHS) which is medium intrusiveness. But I suspect someone had their eye on the prize which was maximum intrusiveness. Here is how Horowitz puts it (sorry it’s long, bottom page iv),

    Shortly after opening the Carter Page investigation in August 2016, the Crossfire Hurricane team discussed the possible use of FISA-authorized
    electronic surveillance targeting Page, which is among the most sensitive and intrusive investigative techniques. As we describe in Chapter Five, the FBI ultimately did not seek a FISA order at that time because OGC, NSD’s Office of Intelligence (OI), or both determined that more information was needed to support probable cause that Page was an agent of a foreign power. However, immediately after the Crossfire Hurricane team received Steele’s election reporting on September 19, the team reinitiated their discussions with or and their efforts to obtain FISA surveillance authority for Page, which they received from the FISC on October 21.

    The decision to seek to use this highly intrusive investigative technique was known and approved at multiple levels of the Department, including by then DAG Yates for the initial FISA application and first renewal, and by then Acting Attorney General Boente and then DAG Rosenstein for the second and third renewals, respectively. However, as we explain later, the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to inform Department officials of significant information that was available to the team at the time that the FISA applications were drafted and filed. Much of that information was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications that were used to support probable cause and, in some instances, resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications. While we do not speculate whether … [blah, blah, blah]

    The other thing that struck me reading the ES is that whenever there is a big important decision making meeting, Peter Strzok is there. This is discussion starts near the end of page iii. Horowitz suggests that while Strzok was there, the higher-ups are actually making the decisions. (Yes, decisions made with bad information provided by Strzok, the lead investigator.)

    I’ve wondered about the possibility that a select few actors could pull this all off without a really large conspiracy. A few actors such as, Peter Strzok (Lisa assisting), Glen Simpson (Fusion GPS), and Chris Steele. But Bruce Ohr was also colluding the Steele (probably), and there is Clinesmith.

    I took a quick look at Chapter 8 where the sleazy “OGC attorney” (not named, but is Clinesmith?) manipulates an email that would mostly exonerate Carter Page, into something ignorable. Then the OGC person gives Horowitz a lame excuse about he got confused. Actually, the text of the original CIA email has sufficiently obtuse spook-speak that the excuse is almost plausible. However, there was also a telephone call between the two, supplementing the email, so I doubt the confusion.

  7. Of course the media is trying to cover for the home team. But for all their efforts they may have set up the Democrats for a perfect storm.

    AG Barr has stated, in his chillingly low keyed manner, that historically very serious crimes were committed, crimes that threaten the foundations of our constitutional republic. The perfect storm aspect comes from Barr’s statement that US Attorney Durham will finish his work in late spring or early summer. The media refer to the “Durham Report”. US Attorneys do not do reports. They do indictments and prosecutions.

    Picture, if you will, a slew of indictments hitting officials of the prior Democratic administration just about the time of their national convention. As these things go, actual trials won’t start until sometime in 2021. Months of stormy weather for the Dems, a perfect storm.

    Lest you think that Trump, Barr and Durham don’t have the cojones to go after a big bunch of them I remind you that as a result of Watergate: “… a total of 69 officials were indicted for the scandal and 48 were either convicted or pleaded guilty.”

  8. No indictments, no excitement.
    It seems that Barr & Durham are waiting for a more complete investigation — but I’d guess they’re finding more and more crimes. So the investigation is never complete, or at least not speedy. It’s already 3 years after the crimes for Comey & McCabe & Clinesmith (the C* lawyer who illegally changed an email).

    Right now I’m not believing the work will be done by spring nor summer — tho I do believe Trump might think that’s the most politically charged time to get indictment PR. Right thru the 2020 Summer Olympics (without the doping Russians), and making all the Dem candidates subject to questions about illegal FIB, um FBI, actions and lies.

    Overconfident Knaves, so more careless than foolish. They were not so foolish as to leave any official record of their bias.

    The FISA judges should be impeached, for approving the application based on DNC paid for speculation — and NOT getting, in writing, that the information is corroborated by first hand witnesses.

    As is often the case with Dems, first they lie about corroboration, then they change to claim “not disproven”. The Dem media are too often successful at placing the burden of proof an the Reps.

  9. “…was there no FBI acknowledgement of the caution needed….?

    No, because there was no need for such caution:
    – Hillary was going to win anyway.
    – If Hillary did not win, nothing would really see the light of day since the MSM in the US and globally would ensure that everything would be reported and spun to impugn Trump and justify the DPUSA.
    – Moreover, the plot was simply too convoluted to be unraveled.
    – And even if such unraveling were to be somehow attempted, it would ridiculed, hugely (with thunderous MSM assistance), as just another Trump/GOP enormity; just another Trump/GOP conspiracy theory; just a further Trump/GOP attempt to hide Trump’s criminality; just more Trump/GOP insanity. (Keep in mind that since the Democrats collectively, with alas few exceptions, have gone “through the looking glass” and “down the rabbit hole”—in both ideological and criminal senses—everything for them is mirror image of reality. This together with intense fear/hatred/righteous indignation keeps them enmired in their pathetic, pathological lunacy.)
    – Once the hate for Trump and his supporters reached the tipping point (and it has)there would be no reason to be reasonable (since being “reasonable” in this context would mean necessarily “hating and despising Trump and his supporters”); so that would be no reason to listen to any arguments that would counter DPUSA reality and every reason to reject any scintilla of evidence—or argument—proving in any way favorable to the president.

    In other words, no, “there [was] no FBI acknowledgement of the caution needed….”

    There still isn’t…

    …which is terrifying to believe. Even at this late stage (though it should have been clear for at least two years now), there is still no FBI acknowledgement—though alas, it’s not just the FBI—and none will be “needed” or in fact forthcoming.

    They’re playing for keeps and to hell with the country.

    And they’ll soon—if they haven’t done so already (in classic “through the looking glass” and “down the rabbit hole” mode)—be accusing Trump and the GOP of, themselves, trying their utmost to tear the country apart….

    It’s a matter of sheer projection being one’s guiding principle; one’s most valuable SOP; one’s most cherished moral imperative.

    Stalinism for Dummies?…

  10. Stalinism for Dummies?…

    Isn’t that a tautology?

    And TommyJay, thanks for the 9:54 post, informative. As the days go by, the essence of the Horowitz report seems clearer and less disappointing, is my impression. His IG by-the-book approach makes the wording seem dull, and he will NOT jump across the tiniest stream to reach the obvious conclusion. But in a way, that works to strengthen the points in that report that sounded like disappointing understatement to me in first reporting and the little excerpts I read.

  11. So much to chew on here, and I’ve got to go out for a few hours this morning, but I’ll get back to it.

    One thing that hit me in response to Neo’s comment: “was there no FBI acknowledgement of the caution needed due to the unusual fact that Crossfire Hurricane involved the special circumstances of a presidential campaign”

    I have made this comment before, but will make it again: I think 95% of the people who lived inside the beltway believed that Hillary was going to win. I’m not excusing this delusion — merely reporting it to be kept in mind as one considers what the FBI and DOJ people were thinking as they slid (very willingly) into this travesty. Use illegal resources and means to penetrate the Trump campaign? Why not, they thought — he’ll be history by the 7th of November. And when Hillary is firmly in control, their misdeeds will not be uncovered.

    My surprise (and enormous regret) is that it has taken so long to be uncovered. A lot of these people should be in jail, all the way up to AG Loretta Lynch. Well we can dream, can’t we?

    I’ll re-read this whole post and links when I get home.

  12. Forgot the quote block; the first 2 and last sentences are mine (just in case anyone was wondering!)

  13. Thanks for the link to “Predication is for Chumps“, Barry. It’s a good read, informative, thoughtful, synoptic, and in the end, blood boiling stuff.

    Oh how I’d favor the public spectacle — after fair trials and convictions, of course — of the lot of these coup d’etat actors lined against the wall (just as Saint Greta has imagined) and shot, one and all. Such a scene, I reckon, would go some way to re-instilling a proper respect for our Constitution now gone missing.

  14. Comey on Fox News Sunday: “He’s [Horowitz] right, I was wrong,” Comey said about how the FBI used the FISA process, adding, “I was overconfident as director in our procedures,” and that what happened “was not acceptable.”

    The ‘overconfident’ plays into the theme that the Beltway crowd was confident Hillary would win. But if they were so confident, why do the crimes? And crimes they are, attested to by Comey himself by terming the acts as ‘unacceptable’.

    An aggressive US Attorney needs to seek criminal indictments NOW.

  15. As I have commented here before, it strikes me as extraordinary that, in all the intentional fog of statements, the morass of these several years of manifold illegal coup actions by high level government employees, and, in particular, in the “Russia collusion” facet, far too little attention has been paid to the fundamental, key fact underlying the whole “Russians hacked the DNC servers” meme.

    This not a Whoopie Goldberg type “fact-fact,” but an actual fact–reported by many different sources—that the conclusion, the “proof” that the Russians “hacked” the DNC servers does not rest on any actual FBI examination and analysis of the servers in question because, according to reports—and despite several requests by the FBI–the DNC denied the FBI access to these servers, as attested to by then FBI Director Comey in Congressional testimony on this issue.

    Thus, the FBI has never actually had physical custody of the servers in question, or examined them, but, instead, agreed to accept the conclusions of “CrowdStrike”–a private computer security company hired by the DNC–for the “fact” that these servers were, in fact, “hacked by the Russians.”

  16. Cicero on December 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm said:
    Comey on Fox News Sunday: “He’s [Horowitz] right, I was wrong,” Comey said about how the FBI used the FISA process, adding, “I was overconfident as director in our procedures,” and that what happened “was not acceptable.”
    * * *
    Then I suppose Horowitz was correct about this also — which means Comey knew quite a bit more about what was happening before he read about it in the newspapers.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/key-findings-of-doj-inspector-general-point-to-significant-fisa-abuse_3169762.html

    Horowitz noted that the CIA was reluctant to include Steele’s reporting in their assessments but that “the FBI, including [Director James] Comey and [Deputy Director Andrew] McCabe, sought to include the reporting in the ICA [intelligence community assessment].”

    As was previously known, some of Steele’s “reporting ultimately was presented in an appendix to the ICA” which was formally presented to President Barack Obama and members of his administration.

    The IG also found that while FBI officials did travel abroad to meet with individuals who knew Steele and/or had knowledge of his work, the information was not put into his confidential human source folder.

    Additionally, the FBI’s Validation Management Unit (VMU) completed a human source validation review of Steele in early 2017. Horowitz noted that the VMU review’s finding that Steele’s past criminal reporting was “minimally corroborated” was provided to the Crossfire Hurricane team.

    If the FBI Director really was unaware of all this, he should have been fired on the grounds of incompetence anyway.

    PS: in light of that first paragraph quoted above, I’m going with (1b).

    AesopFan on December 14, 2019 at 7:35 pm said:
    ..
    (1) I suspect that there is no “provision requiring Department consultation before opening an investigation such as the one here involving the alleged conduct of individuals associated with a major party presidential campaign” for two possible reasons: …(b) despite Watergate, the PTB determined that it was better not to have a requirement that the mandated upper management names on the dotted lines, thus maintaining plausible deniability even if upper management knew exactly what was going on and even facilitiated it.

  17. If you, Joe Citizen, wrongly answer an FBI question, no matter how trivial or about what triviality, you are in the FBI’s eyes guilty of lying, and that is a Federal felony.

    But Comey has just been “wrong” all this time.

    It is times like these I wish we had a Tsar, a wall, and a firing squad.

  18. “…I was overconfident…”

    Comey is SUCH a WEASEL!

    Just “overconfident”, eh?!….You kinda hafta chuckle…until, hold on, until you realize what kind of criminality he’s been involved in…and the destruction of others—people and institutions (“Stasi-like” is the expression that has oft been used)—that has been wrought.

  19. I caught some of the Comey and Adam Schiff interview on Fox this morning. One of the things that both of them said is, “There was no spying [on the Trump campaign].” and “There was no wiretapping,” both of which I would categorize as lies. But you see, because they make those claims, they turn around and claim that Trump is the liar.

    The word “spying” is a big enough generalization in the intelligence community that perhaps they feel that they can manipulate the definition in a variety of ways. “Wiretapping” conversely means something very specific, attaching surveillance wires to telephone wires, so in a technical sense they can say this never happened. Of course, the Horowitz report has a hundred pages or more on the FISA warranted electronic surveillance which is like a wiretap-times-ten in its capabilities.

  20. Snow on Pine makes a good point. We now know that the Papadopoulos and C. Page allegations are crap, but they always have the fallback position. We know that the Russians hacked the DNC and handed it over to Wikileaks (in benefit to the Trump campaign), because our entire intelligence apparatus said so.

    Our intelligence apparatus also said that there were weapons of mass destruction and that the Soviet economy and military was capable of rolling over us in the mid 1980’s. Yet no one in law enforcement has seen that DNC server.

    Another element that got significant press a couple years ago, but we’ve learned nothing about since, is the extent of the FISA warranted electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens. If memory serves, people in Obama’s more immediate nat. security apparatus, unmasked the names of hundreds of U.S. citizens in transcripts obtained from wiretaps, er um from the NSA surveillance database.

    The point here is that once FISA warrants are obtained on Carter Page or Papadopoulos, they get to snoop on anyone those two communicate with; AND with anyone those other people communicate with. We have no idea how far that bootstrapping chain goes.

  21. Saint James of Comey was wrong?

    No, he just got caught in one of his many lies. He will look good in orange. A different meaning to “orange man bad.”

    Will convicted senior executive service personnel get their own wing in the federal pen?

  22. “…allegations are crap…”

    Ah yes. But oh so useful crap.

    And this (to recap) is how it’s done:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/second-damning-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-revealed-ig-report-sperry

    Pretty masterful, actually.

    Too masterful to fail….

    Can there by any doubt that the can of worms is so vast, it will generate a momentum all of its own?

    The Democrats are going to have to dig deep. Plan D, E, F, and G, perhaps H.

    Of course they might not need all those plans if they decide to use their “ace in the hole”, their “nuclear option”: “Trump along with the assistance of his criminal confederates is continuing his onslaught on the USA, its Constitution and its laws in his effort to destroy the country.”

  23. As various pieces of information have leaked out over the last three plus years, it has become increasingly clear that the number of violations of protocol and the law and, more importantly, the potentially indictable crimes that make up this attempted coup, are so many in number and type that I can see why Durham’s Report is going to take around another six months or so to complete.

    The question is, of course, will any actual indictments, prosecutions, convictions, and actual, substantial jail time–especially for some or all of the dozen or more major players–result from Durham’s efforts, or will we have just some strong words of disapproval, some slaps on the wrist, a few resignations, lateral transfers or reassignments, and perhaps a few minor government employees ending up being the fall guys who may go to jail.

  24. I like the title of this new “Reason” article:

    “James Comey Asked the American People To Trust the FBI. Why Should They?”
    https://reason.com/2019/12/15/james-comey-fox-news-chris-wallace-ig-report-fbi/

    It provides a decent run-down of Comey’s absurd claims in the light of Horowtiz. However, I find the conclusion laughable:

    Hanlon’s razor—Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity—certainly applies here, and that’s a lesson Team MAGA should take to heart. But that’s not a vindication of the FBI. If Comey’s broader plea to the American public to continue placing trust in the nation’s top law enforcement agency falls on deaf ears, he will have no one to blame but himself.

    As several Reason commenters noted, stupidity doesn’t cover it when the “mistakes” all line up in one direction.

    Nonetheless, I will give Reason the benefit of the doubt that this conclusion is stupidity, not malice.

  25. Malice aforethought.
    Stupidity that they were caught.

    (With a liberal dose of bad luck…. But the plan, the plan; it was so beautifully wrought…)

  26. From all appearances, under the enormous multi-year assault on him, the spying on and ransacking of his public and private life–the knowingly false accusations of him being a agent of Russia, and a traitor to his country–Carter Page has been very laid back.

    However, as the evidence starts to pour out that this was indeed a coup attempt, and that he was one of its first and–as the entering wedge–one of it key targets, I’m hoping that Page is going to sue every person and every MSM news outlet–every TV network and show, every anchor, every website, every print publication, every commentator, every government employee, and every private individual who defamed and slandered him that he possibly can.

  27. cont’d–The problem here is that it takes a lot of money to launch and to sustain such suits, and I’ve never gotten the impression that Carter Page is a wealthy man, with money to burn.

    Perhaps he will be able to find some group of lawyers, organization, or individual lawyer who will do such legal work pro bono.

    Alternatively, perhaps a “go fund me” campaign might be in order.

  28. Mr. Page can see an enormous payday on the horizon, as can the lawyers who will have lined up eager for the opportunity to work on his behalf on contingency. They will all reap huge monetary benefits, so other arrangements won’t be necessary. The taxpayers who will ultimately foot the bills can thank the Obama administration for their costs.

  29. Carter Page is not too laid back. From a WSJ op-ed by Page (first 3 para),

    My name is Carter Page, and I wish you were hearing it for the first time. If you were, I could introduce myself—a former naval officer who has worked for political figures from both parties. But my identity has been reduced to a series of false accusations. If something isn’t done to prevent future abuses of power by intelligence agencies, I won’t be the last to lose his good name this way.

    In 2016-17 the government I once served investigated me on suspicion of being an intermediary between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. This week Inspector General Michael Horowitz detailed how officials committed troubling errors over the course of the probe. From the day news of the investigation broke, I have faced threats to my life and have been forced to live like a fugitive. I still don’t feel safe enough to establish a fixed residence.

    I still have many questions about the FBI investigation that ruined my life. If you value your privacy, reputation and right to political expression, you should too.

    What is the probability that all 17 FBI errors enumerated by Horowitz went against team Trump by accident? Start with a 50/50 coin flip that each instance could either go against team Trump, or not. The answer is not quite one in a million. It is 1 out of about 131,000.

    This presumes that if there were any errors that the FBI committed that failed to harm team Trump, that Horowitz found them and reported them. It is clearly a relatively thorough investigation and report, but I’m not sure it is that thorough.

  30. What is the probability that all 17 FBI errors enumerated by Horowitz went against team Trump by accident?

    If a particular convenience store clerk always gets your change wrong and it turns out he also always short-changes you, it’s probably not an accident.

  31. the FBI has never actually had physical custody of the servers in question, or examined them, but, instead, agreed to accept the conclusions of “CrowdStrike”–a private computer security company hired by the DNC–for the “fact” that these servers were, in fact, “hacked by the Russians.”

    ^^THIS^^

    There is currently *no proof* that the Russians hacked the DNC server.

    Any fair course of action would involve the DNC surrendering the supposedly-hacked server to FBI investigators for assessment.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/fact-check-trump-s-false-claims-about-ukraine-dnc-server-n1089596

    Trump impishly claims the DNC server may be in the Ukraine. Dems howl “that’s ridiculous!”

    K then where is it?

    lol I’ll bet it doesn’t even exist anymore, smashed to pieces with the same hammer used to destroyed Hillary’s blackberries; and the remains have no doubt disappeared.

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