Doing a 180 on NIMBY in LA and Seattle
The city of Los Angeles is hoping that some people will say YIMBY—“Yes! In my backyard!”—to the homeless, for pay:
In August, the county Board of Supervisors approved a $550,000 pilot program to build a handful of small backyard houses, or upgrade illegally converted garages, for homeowners who agree to host a homeless person or family. Then in February, Bloomberg Philanthropies awarded L.A. a $100,000 Mayor’s Challenge grant to study the feasibility of backyard homeless units within the city limits.
Rents under the county’s pilot program would be covered by low-income vouchers, with tenants contributing 30% of their incomes. The county is also sponsoring a design competition, streamlining permits and providing technical aid and financing options.
While the idea of backyard homeless units might seem far-fetched, officials hope it could be a fast and relatively inexpensive way to house the most stable individuals among the 58,000 homeless people in L.A. County.
Note that last sentence: “the most stable individuals.” In other words, at this point there will be six of the units, so the county can pick and choose six “stable individuals” among the 58,000 homeless. My guess is that it won’t be hard to find six such people who are down on their luck and just need a break.
What this has to do with solving the problem of 58,000 homeless people, many of whom are mentally ill, disease-ridden, addicted, or some combination of those things, isn’t immediately apparent.
There’s been a similar project in Seattle. There, no person is placed in a backyard home without everyone on the block agreeing to it. The plan is to “put a homeless house on every block in Seattle.”
I say “good luck.” There are an awful lot of blocks in Seattle. But then again, there are an awful lot of liberals there who might want to compete for that particular virtue-signaling prize.
I actually think this can work for a few people in a few instances. But it will barely make a dent in the problem of the huge numbers of dysfunctional homeless people in many of our cities.
The progressive politician’s motto: “When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.” It gives the impression that they CARE. They seldom ever consider what the real problem is (addiction & mental illness) and go at it from that direction. It’s all about appearances and good intentions.
Seattle is considering a head tax to fund housing for the homeless. Yep, that’ll fix it. More money. Yep. The failure of the low income housing projects of the 70s and 80s have gone down the memory hole. Bedford-Stuyvesant ring a bell? Twenty year old buildings that had to be demolished because they had been destroyed by their tenants. Yet, hope springs eternal.
kind of old news… i didnt bother to send it since such topical things seldom end up, up.
everyone is up on what will happen at the next boston marathon
this year no biological women will win at all!!!!
thats cause men who feel pretty can run as women..
ie. womens sports are being DESTROYED // which is kind of fair since they were using title IX to destroy the goys // but what makes it just is they did it to the guys and now they doing it to themselves..
already have the popcorn popped..
There are bout 20 other such things but we wont get to them
harvard is getting sued for discriminating against asians (forget it for whites… )… but i guess the princeton thing which explained to my family i had to get 120% of a perfect score to go to college…
Scripps hosts ‘no whites allowed’ pool party
A student organization at Scripps College will host a pool party Friday night exclusively for people of color, clearly stating that there are “no whites allowed.”
In fact, organizers of the event even provided attendees with an anonymous form to make sure no one enters who “would keep this experience from being a safe and comfortable one.”
Café con Leche also advertised the event on its own Facebook page, adding in its post that the pool party will be “POC ONLYYYY.” Cafe con Leche is a registered student club at Scripps College, with a stated goal of providing “a forum for the discussion of social, political, and economic issues that affect women, particularly those of Latinx decent.”
Feminists dont like white men i hear…
then
saying its ok to be white (like saying its ok to be jewish) in america now is hatespeech…
and
and the BEST!!! IF yuu dont answer feminist gender questions on the medical MCAT you dolnt get to be a doctor!!! (they are moving away from medicine questions and kind of asking what was it like in your childhood instead.
One MCAT practice question (from a collaboration between the AAMC and online-education nonprofit Khan Academy), for example, asks whether the wage gap between men and women is the result of bigotry, sexism, racism, or biological differences (no other options are provided, and the “correct” answer is sexism).
Another asks whether the “lack of minorities such as African Americans or Latinos/Latinas among university faculty members” is due to symbolic racism, institutional racism, hidden racism, or personal bias (the correct answer is institutional racism).
[and you guys didnt get how serious i was about how much this was like nazi germany propaganda in the 30s… hey… right nowm where i work, they have just replaced all the white folk who ar enot immigrants or jewish with more diverse (under the idea of winning diversity awards and who cares about EEOC!!!)…
good thing i ahve aspegers or they would throw me in the modern unemployment oven THIS MORNING and just be happy with making sure my indonesian wife never has a family with evil…
Boy are those feminist white ladies gonna get real upset as they are now becoming the target.. the MGTOW guys are kind of watching and glad they arnt part of that crap storm!!! and i am too… at least i can go join our blog friend in indonesia… ]
and there are tons of other things.
got tired of trying to point it out
‘Dismantle whiteness’ mural installed at USC
Student faces punishment for posting copies of professor’s email calling conservative students ‘evil’
Judge upholds Title IX lawsuit: Adjudicator suggested men enjoy being sexually violated
Yale to host rapper who sings about violent sex, deep throating, 8-year-old’s vagina
University’s Sex Week to teach women how to have butt sex with strap-on PICKLE PENI censor wont let the words pass
Weeklong programming also includes ‘science of abortion,’ sex toy workshop
University canceled conference because every speaker was white
Students who sat in on ‘Christian Privilege’ event call it short on proof, long on white privilege accusations
Going vegan can help fight racism, Columbia instructor says
Catholic university tells students how to recognize ‘your whiteness’
Outdoor club at college in Maine accused of being ‘massively white’ and ‘sickeningly privileged’
Student condemns campus ‘rooted in a Northeastern white understanding of self’
University to host ‘whiteness in decline’ event
The lecture, titled “Whiteness in Decline: The Emotional Politics of White Nationalist Resurgence”
Why male choirs need to admit women
GENDER EQUALITY: All Male Choir Told It MUST Permit Women Members
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29097/gender-equality-all-male-choir-told-it-must-permit-paul-bois
It, the scheme, is a political cosmetic.
In the not-so-distant future the idea would be to step-wise eliminate the qualifiers so that this social engineering could proceed on a grand basis.
The intent is Biblical: “Brother’s keeper.”
and the party line? reverse racism doesnt exist. its not possible for an opressed person to be racist to their oppressor, and its socially ok to hur them and kill them (or you didnt read the papers they are following!!! see feminism 101 courses in college!!)
Profs critique ‘white fragility,’ deny reverse racism exists
One professor insisted that “there is no such thing as ‘reverse racism,'” saying the notion is simply born of “white fragility,” while the other argued that “the White House” is involved in efforts to “create a white ethno-state.”
“The dominant culture presents it as…a binary question: Only some people participate in racism and those are bad people,” she stated. “But if you understand racism as a structure, you ask different questions.”
She then cited various instances of “state-sanctioned institutional racism” in America, such as miscegenation laws, “lynching and mob violence,” “employment discrimination,” and “mass incarceration.”
Because “African-Americans are not and have never been in position to do this to white people,” DiAngelo insisted that they cannot be guilty of racism.
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anyone want to join me and invest in ovens for the near future? where do you think this is going to go when they did the same thing to a subset in germany?
‘Kill all white people’: Accused killer who targeted white victims now charged in six deaths
CT Counselor Threatened to ‘Execute Every White Man He Gets His Hands On’: Police
Man arrested for allegedly going to DC to try to kill ‘all white police’ at White House
Suspected serial killer vowed to ‘kill all white people’ – NY Daily News
Hate crime is suspected after a gunman kills 3 white men in downtown
NOFX — Kill All The White Man Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
Killing of three white men in California city racially motivated: police
‘Kill all white people,’ suspect in 5 shootings said in 2014
College Professor Demands “All White Men Immediately Quit Their Jobs”
Racist Professor Tells White Men To Quit Or Be Demoted
Are you a ‘white cis man’ on a college faculty? Prof says to ‘resign
Hawaii prof demands that colleges ‘stop hiring white cis men’
How Hitler laid the groundwork for genocide.
Art,
What the hell do your 3 very long posts have anything to do whatsoever with the topic at hand of homeless in LA and Seattle????
Black Lives Matter plans a boycott of white-owned businesses // Members of the SA picket in front of a Jewish place of business during the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses, 1 April 1933
Corporate diversity programs: No white men need apply?
http://fortune.com/2015/01/23/diversity-work/
[they replaced all but the top boys where i work, even hiring someone, then when finding the other kind, then firing who they just hired… they want to win a diversity award… and every person from one group lowers your score!!!!!]
Students berate professor who refused to participate in no-whites ‘Day of Absence’
psychological science backs this up as they haev spend 30 years building up the case while everyone ignored them for being fringe..
“You should know that … The greatest trick white privilege ever pulled was convincing the world it doesn’t exist.” [another biblical theft]
did you know that this is a myth now?
or are you too old to know its changed?
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A nurse in Indiana is out of a job after suggesting on Twitter that the sons of white women “be sacrificed to the wolves,” hospital officials
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and even if you DO get into class:
This UPenn Teacher Justifies Her Refusal to Call on White Male
Students: It’s ‘Progressive Stacking’
McKellop, a graduate instructor at the University of Pennsylvania who describes herself as a “queer disabled feminist,” recently tweeted, “I will always call on my Black women students first. Other POC get second tier priority. WW [white women] come next. And, if I have to, white men.” McKellop eventually deleted the tweet
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The End of Men
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/308135/
Earlier this year, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in U.S. history. Most managers are now women too. And for every two men who get a college degree this year, three women will do the same. For years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? A report on the unprecedented role reversal now under way– and its vast cultural consequences
a lot of you have no idea!!!!!!!!!!
you only hear what gets out that people are willing to say
but parents would be gobsmacked at some of it!!!
But i will say this..
The crazyness your seeing? it was from the stuff you didnt pay attention to 20 years ago!!! (or more)… what do you think will be when its progeny are dominant and they think with those ideas?
It’s a pilot program and just one of many other efforts there to deal with the problem, which is huge and growing — in L.A. city and county, the number of homeless went from 32,000 to around 55,000 over the last six years. I doubt anyone thinks it’s “the” solution.
Ann, there is hardly a more effective way to kick the can down the road than to launch a pilot program at minimal cost.
The Left, who have run the state of California in particular, and a great many of the cities across the country that have large homeless populations used to posture that they were benevolent souls for giving the homeless free rein to pollute their environs, and to make life miserable for those who could not avoid them.
As is so often the case, unintended consequences. In other words, if you put out the welcome mat they will come, and keep on coming. (Kind of like at our southern border).
These folk are dysfunctional for a variety of reasons, ranging from free choice to complete mental incompetence. It is a sad commentary that this country, and individual communities, have taken so little action to winnow through the root causes, and undertake appropriate corrective action.
Ann, there is hardly a more effective way to kick the can down the road than to launch a pilot program at minimal cost.
The Left, who have run the state of California in particular, and a great many of the cities across the country that have large homeless populations used to posture that they were benevolent souls for giving the homeless free rein to pollute their environs, and to make life miserable for those who could not avoid them.
As is so often the case, unintended consequences. In other words, if you put out the welcome mat they will come, and keep on coming. (Kind of like at our southern border.)
These folk are dysfunctional for various reasons, ranging from free choice to complete mental incompetence. It is a sad commentary that this country, and individual communities, have taken so little action to winnow through the root causes, and undertake appropriate corrective action.
Something else L.A. is doing — L.A. County taking a new approach to help homeless who are severely mentally ill:
As someone commented on another website, among the many tens of thousands of homeless, just how are they going to determine who are “the most stable individuals,” and how is that winnowing process going to be squared with all of the non-discrimination laws, particularly those dealing with housing?
In addition, as I understand it, in many jurisdictions once somebody can argue they are a “tenant,” it can take many months and long, expensive, arduous legal procedures to evict them.
According to recent reports these cities–and many others–are fast being overtaken by extremely unattractive, unsanitary, and dangerous homeless encampments that have blossomed all along their streets.
I saw a small example of this phenomenon myself on a recent trip through several western states–ragged looking people in downtown Salt Lake city sitting on street corners flashing “help me signs” and, in Denver, not only encampments along the streets, but a lot of people just lying on/lounging along the sidewalks–often held up by a fence–I’m guessing victims of newly legal “Denver High” Marijuana.
We’ve all been told about how most of us are just one or two pay checks away from the street, how half the people in the U.S. couldn’t come up with $400 bucks in two weeks if they absolutely had to, how something like 50% of all people have no savings at all.
And, I’m sure, that we’ve all seen the hard luck stories about someone who was hardworking, had a streak of bad luck, and ended up sleeping in their car or out on the street.
But, I’m guessing that the vast majority of the current day “homeless” are not those hard working, upstanding citizens just temporarily “down on the luck,” but are rather people who have major psychiatric, drug addiction, and other problems–many of them people who refuse to go into government homeless shelters because they refuse to obey the rules, or consider these “shelters” too dangerous.
They couldn’t make it in regular society, couldn’t play by the rules, what makes people think that–if given their own “granny flat”–they will suddenly have a major change of heart and attitude?
Having one of these troubled people living in your back yard, it seems to me, is an invitation to disaster.
It will be interesting to see if the proposed programs go forward, and what happens if they do.
The LA program is going to run into trouble wrt individual freedom. Involuntary commitment is a tough process and no matter how disturbed somebody is, their desire to live on the streets, or their desire not to live in a residence of any kind is paramount until they’re adjudged basically incompetent to a degree where they or the rest of us need protection. if that’s not an adversarial procedure (trial) the state has more power than it is capable of using justly.
i have relatives who have worked closely with the homeless for twenty years. Almost without exception, these people cannot be housed. Benefits are available and roofs over heads are available. But the people have to want it and be capable of actually doing what it takes to stay in a home.
What is disorienting is when a generous soul finally discovers that the white picket fence is a concept that, no matter the effort, cannot be sold to everybody.
One of the major problems with these big city policies is that they invariably spill out into the surrounding areas which had no say in the start of the problem. Seattle has been courting the homeless for several years and what you subsidize you get more of and Seattle has been allowing the homeless to pretty much run rampant around the city with camps and motor home armadas. The homeless have taken over the parking lot of a closed Sam’s Club in north Seattle to the chagrin of the neighborhood but nothing substantive is ever done. Just more appeasement.
And unfortunately these policies can’t be contained within the city as the homeless multiply and shocker they don’t get along with each other so now they spread out into surrounding areas. I live 40 miles south of Seattle and it has now become common to see camps pop up or rundown motor homes to appear not far from where I live when this was totally unheard of just a couple of years ago.
Unfortunately there is no serious effort to combat this and it will just get worse. Pathetic.
Perhaps loss of land and title is not a solvable problem when everything is for sale. I do not know, but casting out the poor and making it safe for those who are not seems like something temporary.
I do know this. The opinions of the higher castes tend to a harsher judgement. By those who are cast out.
Portland Oregon used to be on top of all kinds of “most livable city” lists in the 1980s and 90s — but just in the last 5 years or so the homeless population has exploded. It’s strange and ugly and I’m not sure how the city can ever recover.
It’s just not the same place.
miklos,
Seattle and it’s surroundings are the same. Just gross and uncomfortable in many. many areas.
Bitterly cold winters accompanied by blizzards and hot humid summers accompanied by tornadoes put a dent in the homeless population. It also helps if they are not coddled with benefits from the taxpayers.
Time to bring back poor farms. Working for your supper builds self respect.
I left San Francisco almost two years ago. Haven’t looked back.
The seeds of a large part of today’s growing “homeless” problem were, in essence, planted by the feel good (and cost lowering) Federal government “de-institutionalization” policies beginning in the 1960s, which ultimately resulted in almost all state mental hospitals being closed down, their patients released on the new, much more powerful and effective medications then coming to the fore, with the promise that the second part of this program would be the Federal government’s creation of half-way houses in communities all over the country, where these formerly institutionalized and constrained patients would now be free, be overseen, get their treatments and medications, and begin transitioning back into society.
At the same time this de-institutionalization was taking place, virtually all of the laws that allowed the arrest of vagrants, and that penalized loitering were also scrapped, and the laws relating to involuntary commitment were also changed, to make it much harder to commit someone against their will.
Well, the patients were released, but the half-way houses never materialized.
Fast forward to today. According to one set of statistics, there are now only some 45,000 beds available for psychiatric patients, while the number of those who need hospitalization is estimated at more than 2,000,000 patients.
Where are these two million, where did they go?
Well, a lot of them are on the street, wandering around, being preyed upon, and getting into trouble.
It is true that there were many cases of horrible abuse and neglect under the old system, and that there were apparently more than a few “snake pit” mental hospitals.
It is now becoming apparent that the solution was not to close the hospitals and discharge the vast majority of their patients, but to keep a lot more hospitals than we now have open, and to clean them up.
Through a SoCal friend I know a couple of homeless guys in the greater LA area. They are both fairly accomplished people.
One managed to escape from Czechoslovakia by riding trains and hiding from the authorities for six months until the optimal moment to leap to freedom in the West. He made his way to the US, then California. He was an artisan-level carpenter and jack-of-all-trades contractor. He put together a promising business.
The other came from rock-jazz royalty. You can hear his father’s riffs on the radio. He played excellent piano and drums, but after his father died, his connections dried up and he didn’t have whatever it takes to drive a music career.
They both liked to drink and became serious alcoholics. Over time their situations eroded and now they live in their cars and get by day-to-day.
Slightly off topic but Netflix has a new documentary series called ‘Wild, Wild Country’ about the Rajneeshis a bizarre cult that took over a small town in Oregon in the 1980s and tried to take over an entire county. One of the ways they tried was by going to LA and SF and gathering up a bunch of homeless people and bring them back to Oregon and registering them to vote for Rajneeshi candidates for office. Unfortunately for the Rajneeshis a lot of these guys were crazy and dangerous so they took to just dumping them on the streets of The Dalles, the largest city in the county.
Really interesting well made series if your interested in this kind of thing.
Snow on Pine has it exactly, precisely right. The only thing he didn’t mention is the civil right of delusional, hallucinating schizos to refuse their meds.
I was homeless for about a year in my 20s. I lived in a van with two friends while we got our community college degrees. We really were broke and got by on dollar breakfast specials, shoplifting luncheon meat and selling plasma.
But we were young and smart and we turned that around. We became professionals and ended up privileged people.
I’m not selling this as a you-can-do-it! story. If the ball had bounced wrong a few times, I fear I might still be living in a beater and worrying about when the cops were going to catch up with me.
I think about this and I don’t have any answers. It’s hard to get back on the ladder after you’ve fallen.
It is now becoming apparent that the solution was not to close the hospitals and discharge the vast majority of their patients, but to keep a lot more hospitals than we now have open, and to clean them up.
It was apparent long ago — see this 1984 piece in the NY Times about what led to what it termed the “ill-fated policy” of releasing patients from mental hospitals — How release of mental patients began
Huxley–Some, perhaps many, may see it otherwise, but, as I view it, the path through life is twisty, narrow, sometimes faint, and often stony.
It is a path that has few way signs–less so now, than there were in the past–lots of distractions, false, and dead end passes.
Navigating that path is very chancy, and a single second’s decision can often be the difference between success, or failure and misery.
As has been said, you can’t be assured of having been successful in navigating that path until you’re taking your last breath.
SRO hotels- single residency occupancy hotels used to be very common in skid rows across the country. They would have been an appropriate place for homeless people- and cheap also.
Not many people would like to house a homeless person in their back yard.
One time my HOA called the cops on a homeless person sleeping by the pool. A cop came within 30 minutes, and gave the homeless person a stern talking to, that he would be arrested if found on property again. He hasn’t been back.
After he left, the cop told us that a lot of the homeless are serious alcoholics. Which other commenters have pointed out. (I knew this guy was, having seen him around the neighborhood before. )
Gringo,
‘One time my HOA called the cops on a homeless person sleeping by the pool’
Did he look like Nick Nolte? 😉
Those on the Left insist upon treating the cultural symptoms, rather than the cultural disease because to acknowledge the disease is to admit to being cognitively dysfunctional. When enacted, the consistent results of their propositions are demonstrable proof of their cognitive dysfunction.
Willful denial of reality, abetted by civilizational freedom from want… allows them to embrace a fantasy of freedom from consequence.
But reality’s consequence can only be delayed and, the longer its delayal, the harsher its future cost. The harsher the future cost, the greater the fear and the deeper the denial.
As we see evolving in Western Europe, societal denial of reality is the mechanism that fashions the chains of societal oppression and enslavement of the individual.
Fascinating discussion leading nowhere.
This may sound harsh, and maybe it is; but, I hearken back to the wise horse trainer that straightened out my daughter’s problem. He was never cruel; but, he had a philosophy that worked every time. “Make it comfortable to do what you want them to do, and uncomfortable not to; and make it clear which is which”. There is no reason for it to be more comfortable for the homeless to foul our nests, than to accept some alternative.
We have become tolerant of the homeless, just as we have of illegal aliens. In other words people violate our laws with impunity, frequently with official and unofficial assistance.
People should be moved off of the streets, period; and there should be a triage program that goes hand-in-hand to determine what level of public support, if any, is appropriate. Public accommodations need not be elaborate to better the current living conditions. Psychological or rehab services, as appropriate, should be a prerequisite for public assistance. Charitable involvement should be encouraged and supported. In some cases, families should be held accountable.
None of this is likely.
When denial of reality’s consequence becomes unsustainable, then common sense transcends rationalization and resolving the problem becomes possible.
Snow on Pine Says:
April 13th, 2018 at 8:21 pm
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with the promise that the second part of this program would be the Federal government’s creation of half-way houses
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Well, the patients were released, but the half-way houses never materialized.
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Same song, second verse,
could get better but it’s gonna get worse.
And the Dems/RINOs wonder why the Right want s to see the wall built first this time.
If the government were a private corporation, everyone in it would be in jail.
There seems to be some softening up going on here, (on the east coast,) with the idea of ‘tent’ airbnbs, glamping— for those that have a few acres.
But, those with a few acres, and active in the DNC near me, are currently ridiculing the idea. Because it’s ridiculous. We’ll see how that goes.
physicsguy Says:
April 13th, 2018 at 3:24 pm
Art,
What the hell do your 3 very long posts have anything to do whatsoever with the topic at hand of homeless in LA and Seattle????
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Because the same people / ideology / psychological dysfunction causes similar problems all over the place.
This is why we can’t have nice things any more.
Just scroll on down; pixels are cheap.
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Artfldgr Says:
April 13th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29097/gender-equality-all-male-choir-told-it-must-permit-paul-bois
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(the URL title is a bit wierd — is paul bois a singer they discriminated against? (no, he wrote the story))
I had already read a brief report on the Derbyshire choir, but this part was news to me, and probably affects the social dynamics a lot more than is apparent when you just know the name of the group. I had wondered how the choir was able to tell the Chief to just take a hike, and now I know. He was within his authority to deny them the “constabulary” connection , but they don’t have to do what he wants if they change their name.
However, also I fail to see why they “have to represent” HIS workforce if they aren’t members of it.
YMMV
“According to The Telegraph, Derbyshire Constabulary Male Voice Choir has represented the police force “at events all across the country raising thousands of pounds for charity” for more than 60 years. The choir is comprised mostly of civilians; they wear police tunics in their live performances, and the group is beloved in local communities for its charitable work.
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Chief Con Goodman said he is fully committed to implementing his politically correct vision.
“We are an equal opportunities employer and we are committed to having an organization where there are no enclaves where people from different backgrounds cannot go,” he said. “We need to represent our communities in every aspect of our public presence. Having a male voice choir representing the organization is incompatible with this, especially as there are no members of the choir who are employed by or who volunteer with us. I wish them all the very best for the future.”
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BTW, on the Destruction of Male Choirs (which perhaps karmically balances the Destruction of Female Sports):
The Whiffenpoofs, a male choir founded at Yale University in 1909, just admitted a woman for the first time. (They do have mixed choruses at Yale as well, just not this one.)
We saw what I know know was one of their final all-male performances in Denver earlier this year. So glad we took the grandkids.
I like mixed choirs, but women’s voices don’t sound like men’s voices, just as boys don’t sound like girls.
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/587731775/yales-whiffenpoofs-a-cappella-group-admits-first-woman
Ann Says:
April 13th, 2018 at 8:59 pm
It was apparent long ago – see this 1984 piece in the NY Times about what led to what it termed the It is now becoming apparent that the solution was not to close the hospitals and discharge the vast majority of their patients, but to keep a lot more hospitals than we now have open, and to clean them up.
“ill-fated policy” of releasing patients from mental hospitals – How release of mental patients began
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Good article, couple of points:
Seems like we are hearing some of the same stories again about over-promising and under-delivering (think: AGW & healthcare).
Whatever the courts can mess up, the courts will mess up.
It is a lot easier, and faster, to close hospitals than to open them up again.
The road to hellish streets really is paved by good intentions.
Pilot programs always work better than the long-term slogging of full implementation.
Unintended consequences can be predicted by any sane human being so long as they don’t have a personal interest in ignoring them.
If they knew it was not working in 1984, why is it still unfixed 34 years later?
Because there is no constituency for taking up the burden again, and there is still a lot of motivation for kicking the can into someone else’s backyard.
Governments are the least effective way to solve almost any social problem (they are best confined to war and .. sorry, can’t think of a second thing).
From the article:
…the commission took the direction it did because of ”the sort of overselling that happens in almost every interchange between science and government.”
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”Yes, the doctors were overpromising for the politicians. The doctors did not believe that community care would cure schizophrenia, and we did allow ourselves to be somewhat misrepresented.”
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Dr. Brown said he and the other architects of the community centers legislation believed that while there was a risk of homelessness, that it would not happen if Federal, state, local and private financial support ”was sufficient” to do the job.
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The legislation sought to create a nationwide network of locally based mental health centers which, rather than large state hospitals, would be the main source of treatment. The center concept was aided by Federal funds for four and a half years, after which it was hoped that the states and local governments would assume responsibility.
”We knew that there were not enough resources in the community to do the whole job, so that some people would be in the streets facing society head on and questions would be raised about the necessity to send them back to the state hospitals,” Dr. Brown said.
But, he continued, ”It happened much faster than we foresaw.” The discharge of mental patients was accelerated in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s in some states s a result of a series of court decisions that limited the commitment powers of state and local officials.
Dr. Brown insists, as do others who were involved in the Congressional legislation to establish community mental health centers, that politicians and health experts were carrying out a public mandate to abolish the abominable conditions of insane asylums. He and others note – and their critics do not disagree – that their motives were not venal and that they were acting humanely.
In restrospect it does seem clear that questions were not asked that might have been asked. >/b>In the thousands of pages of testimony before Congressional committees in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, little doubt was expressed about the wisdom of deinstitutionalization.
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The centers were two pilot projects that were given special staff and attention to demonstrate what could be accomplished, he said. By linking the community centers to large teaching hospitals in major cities and providing adequate funds for their maintenance it was possible to attract the quality of staff that all but guaranteed better results than the old state hospitals, he said.
”Unfortunately,” he said, ”over the years the budgets were progressively reduced, the professional staffs were cut, and the program regressed to right back where it started.”
Dr. Frank R. Lipton and Dr. Albert Sabatini of Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital in Manhattan, who have done research on the problems of the homeless, say one of the major flaws in the concept of deinstitutionalization was the notion that serious, chronic mental disorders could be minimized, if not totally prevented, through care provided within the local community.
”This philosophical and ideological shift in thinking was not adequately validated, yet it became one of the major conceptual bases for moving the locus of care,” they said in a recent study.
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The consensus seems to be that the more intelligent approach to the overall problem is to realize both the limitations and value of the drugs, the importance of combining drug treatment with proper care – either in hospitals or local clinics, depending on the individual case – and that mental illness is a sociological fact that cannot be ignored simply out of a desire to save tax dollars.
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”Drugs can help people get back to the community,” he said, ”but they have to have medical care, a place to live and someone to relate to. They can’t just float around aimlessly.”
Dr. Ewalt said the 1963 act was supposed to have the states continue to take care of the mentally ill but that many states simply gave up and ceded most of their responsibility to the Federal Government.
”The result was like proposing a plan to build a new airplane and ending up only with a wing and a tail,” Dr. Ewalt said. ”Congress and the state governments didn’t buy the whole program of centers, plus adequate staffing, plus long-term financial supports.”
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Yep.
Same story, 4952nd verse.
Aesop: Reading Genesis, Enoch Flood, Watcher fall, Mount Hermon descent, is like watching you humans repeat apocalypse after apocalypse….
Don’t even get me started on the other apocrypha.
huxley Says:
April 13th, 2018 at 8:53 pm
You most likely have an advocate in the spirit world.
The only thing he didn’t mention is the civil right of delusional, hallucinating schizos to refuse their meds.
Once drugs make someone into a sociopath and psychopath, the moment they get off the drugs the side effects hit.
Better not to go that route to begin with.
My husband has had two close childhood friends become chronic homeless. One case occurred when we were in our twenties and one case is current.
In our twenties we repeatedly housed this friend, cleaned him up, took him job hunting, etc., all to no avail. What we thought was drug addiction and alcohol abuse – there was that – devolved into schizophrenia and eventually death by AIDS. Interestingly, our German Shepherd recognized the extent of this friend’s mental illness long before we did and became quite intolerant of him.
The current case AFAIK is exclusively drug addiction and we are done sending $$ even though this is painful for my husband.
What is the same in both cases is the extent to which both of these people completely exhausted the resources and help offered by friends and family. I think of this when I see homeless people – some people don’t have anyone to help them back up when they fall and my heart goes out to them. But I know from experience that there are people who just can’t – for whatever reason – be helped. Auwe.
The only force I have ever witness fix a human is the power of the Holy Ghost.
Other than that, people can fix themselves, but it is not quite as dramatic.
Obviously, there is likely to be a lot of interaction with someone living in your back yard.
So, it appears as if these do-gooders who host one of these street people may, in essence, end up involuntarily providing the half-way houses (and some of their supervisory and counseling services) that the Feds promised but never delivered almost 60 years ago.
Molly Brown
One of the characteristics of homelessness is that the individuals have no “social credit” left. That is, they’ve run out of friends and family who will take them in. Or perhaps the term should be “run through”.
Without going into details, there is a possibility that a young mother and her child will be in our area. Those who understand the situation are willing, or even eager, to take them in for as long as necessary. That’s because the family and the situation suggest the two would be gracious guests and not at all demanding. Resources required would be food and transport. She and her child have immense social credit and, given what we know, no possibility of running through it.
There is a great deal of difference between somebody who was normally able to function at some reasonable level in society and earn a living–but who ran into a string of bad luck, and ended up homeless–and someone who could not function at a reasonable level in society (and, in many cases, probably didn’t want to), who made some really bad choices, and who couldn’t really take care of themselves.
It is probably the case that most of the homeless are of the second type.
It seems to me that “Do unto others,” and “there but for the grace of God go I,” is in many cases really being used by many of the homeless to “lay a guilt trip on us,” that in many cases we are being played for suckers.
What obligation, then, does “society,” do we have to people who can’t or won’t play by the rules, and who pays the bill?
Do we just accept that many of the homeless are incapable of playing by the rules, or do we try to “encourage” those of them who we think can really play by the rules if “motivated,” to do so with a lot of “tough love.”
If they won’t walk, do we carry them, or let them fall and stay where they dropped, while we walk on?
I am reminded of a bunch of supposed “homeless vets” that made their home under an overpass leading into D.C. from Northern Virginia. Traffic being what it is in this area, lots of cars had to stop and wait to use the ramp that passed under this overpass, and while they waited some of these “homeless vets” stood next to the road holding signs that said things like “homeless vet, need food, need work.”
One day I was in this line, behind someone in a pickup who was apparently a contractor. The contractor stopped next to the sign holder, gave him his card, and I heard him say to the guy something like, “show up at my office and I’l give you some work.”
Well, this homeless vet started to yell at the good Samaritan, shouting about how “he didn’t want no job, he wanted some money.”
Just one experience, but I’m afraid it has colored my impressions of the homeless, and what they really want.
“Just one experience, but I’m afraid it has colored my impressions of the homeless, and what they really want.”
Multiply that by a couple of dozen personal encounters and you begin to understand why people close themselves in and channel “Scrooge” as he was before his visitors’ epiphanies:
“Are the poor houses no longer in operation?”
Note that Bob Cratchett and his family fall into the category of the “just need a little hand” and not among the chronic can’t-be-helped cases, which was Dickens’ primary message.
“he didn’t want no job, he wanted some money.”
When someone outside our membership calls our bishops (congregation ministers) looking for handouts, they often are asked to come to the church and do a bit of cleaning or yard work. During the years I had a leading position in the welfare operations (in 3 different states), I met ONE person who actually showed up.
As for individuals feeling guilted into doing more than they feel comfortable with, Joseph Smith (no stranger to helping the poor, because in the early days many of the Mormon converts were impoverished European immigrants) counseled one of his exhausted followers that “it is not requisite that a man run faster than he has strength.”
Most of us are stronger than we think we are, of course.
“I say “good luck. There are an awful lot of blocks in Seattle. ”
Yes, and most of those blocks are a long way away from the soup kitchens, free clinics, and prosperous begging venues.
Seems like the neighbors might not be too happy about this arrangement.
Also, what will happen to property values in the area???
Paranoid me wonders, how long from this to you have a lot of empty space in your house that you are not using so you need to take in some homeless for the common good.
Liberal denial of reality will swamp the lifeboat, leading to the deaths of everyone.
” You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.” Abraham Lincoln
skeptic:
What you wrote reminds me a little bit of the film “Distant Thunder” (1973) by Satyajit Ray (see this). I haven’t seen the film since 1973, but it made a deep impression on me at the time.
skeptic Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
Paranoid me wonders, how long from this to you have a lot of empty space in your house that you are not using so you need to take in some homeless for the common good.
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“On this day in 1765, Parliament passes the Quartering Act, outlining the locations and conditions in which British soldiers are to find room and board in the American colonies. The Quartering Act of 1765 required the colonies to house British soldiers in barracks provided by the colonies.”
“Amendment III Quartering of Soldiers. No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.”
If we are engaged in a War on Poverty, does that mean the homeless are equivalent to soldiers?
“History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. – Karl Marx ” — and keeps going through the millennia of civilization.
I’m not sure which part of the cycle we are on now.
Geoffrey Britain Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 2:36 pm
Liberal denial of reality will swamp the lifeboat, leading to the deaths of everyone.
” You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.” Abraham Lincoln
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https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/04/12/perpetuating-the-problem-and-passing-the-blame-by-amanda-s-green/
“I thought it time to get back to Thomas Sowell’s Black Rednecks & White Liberals. To say I believe this is an essay I believe everyone should read is putting it mildly. Sowell doesn’t shy away from hard topics nor does he sugar coat anything. What he does is poke holes into what liberals want us to believe are truths. He does so with facts, with logic and with experience. In doing so, he shows how liberals, especially white liberals, have caused more harm than good, despite all they crow from the proverbial mountaintop.
The next section of the essay is entitled “White Liberals” and Sowell wastes no time in getting down to business.
White liberals in many roles–as intellectuals, politicians, celebrities, judges, teachers–have aided and abetted the perpetuation of a counterproductive and self-destructive lifestyle among black rednecks. The welfare state has made it economically possible to avoid many of the painful consequences of this lifestyle that forced previous generations of blacks and whites to move away from the redneck culture and its values. Lax law enforcement has enabled the violent and criminal aspects of this culture to persist, and non-judgmental intellectual trends have enabled it to escape moral condemnation. As far back as 1901, W. E. B. Du Bois, while complaining of racial discrimination against blacks, also condemned “indiscriminate charity” for its bad effects within the black community. (BRAWL pp 51-52)
That single paragraph strikes at the heart of so much of the liberal agenda. Welfare. Relaxation of law enforcement rules (Hello, London, this applies to you too). Indiscriminate charity. Is it any wonder so many liberals, especially white ones, hate what Sowell has to say?”
We left Northern Virginia for the South almost four years ago, and during the last few years we were in Northern Virginia the panhandlers–all Hispanic–multiplied, and they usually hit you up in supermarket or big box store parking lots. This in an area with an abundance of social welfare programs and organizations.
One memorable super market parking lot encounter was with a well-dressed, apparently well-fed, and healthy young women who had one young child walking along side her as she pushed a gleaming high end stroller that had another child in it, all apparently well-fed and healthy looking; a stroller that we likely couldn’t afford. Needless to say, I didn’t give her the money she was seeking.
Another time, in the same area, my wife and I went to donate some canned food to the local food bank.
Walking inside it was stocked, practically floor to ceiling, with fresh looking canned, boxed, and bagged food donated by local grocery stores, display boxes full of fresh fruits and vegetables, a lot of what looked like pretty good clothing, and lots of toys, still in their boxes.
We made our donation and walked out and, just as we did, up pulled a huge, brand new, gleaming, tricked out monster SUV, and out of it poured a well dressed Hispanic couple and their horde of kids.
The weren’t taking any donations in with them, so I assumed that they were going to go in and grab whatever donated food, clothing and toys they wanted.
We got in our several year old car and drove away.
We never made another “donation” to the food bank.
Snow on Pine Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 5:35 pm
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I’ve worked our local food & supplies center, as have some friends, and most of the recipients really are the desperately needy. I believe our group does include vetting and counseling along with the goods.
However, I can understand that your experience does happen, and it ruins things for the people who do need help.
Kind of like discovering that the money you thought was going to Haitian orphans went to Chelsea Clinton’s wedding organizer.
AesopFan Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 3:43 pm
There’s a law forcing certain city districts to take in Islamic refugees in the USA.
I heard about this tactic of subtle invasion from other places. The Russians used it in Georgia to divide and create a funnel into Turkey. They didn’t need that any more after Sevastopol fell.
Snow on Pine Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 5:35 pm
many of the charity systems are corrupt.
Without the Holy Ghost, human greed tends to take over, even if we discount Lucifer’s church shenanigans.
Ymar Sakar Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 11:48 pm
AesopFan Says:
April 14th, 2018 at 3:43 pm
There’s a law forcing certain city districts to take in Islamic refugees in the USA.
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I didn’t know that, although I have read that the government under Obama had dropped refugees in some places that didn’t ask for them, and contracted with NGOs in others to serve as “sponsors” — do you have a link to the law?
Ymar Sakar–
Surveying the articles on this topic, they conclude that since dealing with refugees in a Federal matter, State governors–much less local authorities–apparently have no real power to stop the State Department from dumping refugees in their states.
You would think that the State Department would want good relations with each state, and would have some consideration for them and their preferences but, in this instance, they apparently don’t.
It’s like they don’t consider the states to be sovereign parts of the U.S., but rather just subjects, to be ordered around. The State Department here acting more like a King, not caring abut their objections, and forcing the peasants to accept his will.
Hopefully, in a Trump Administration this dumping of refugees and asylum seekers in States without their consent will end.
I didn’t know that, although I have read that the government under Obama had dropped refugees in some places that didn’t ask for them, and contracted with NGOs in others to serve as “sponsors” – do you have a link to the law?
That’s probably what I am thinking of as well.
But the asylum seekers have a legal recognition as a result, which puts them under the law. Local communities lack the standing or power to do much about it. The NGOs, like Southern Baptist organizations, get paid to deal with the asylum seekers, mostly Muslim in this case back then.
Surveying the articles on this topic, they conclude that since dealing with refugees in a Federal matter, State governors—much less local authorities—apparently have no real power to stop the State Department from dumping refugees in their states.
That’s consistent with what I remember as well.
It’s like they don’t consider the states to be sovereign parts of the U.S., but rather just subjects, to be ordered around.
Human livestock thought they had rights in this American matrix. In truth, they were only deceived into believing that. Not even the Confederates near Civil War 1, cared about state sovereignty and rights, as they pushed to use the federal power to enforce the Federal Slave Acts on abolitionist states like New York that nullified federal law. Americans were deceived many many times.
Read the primary sources, as it is hard to deceive people that rely on primary sources. The secession reasons were published by all the secession states. But they don’t teach that in history books…
Hopefully, in a Trump Administration this dumping of refugees and asylum seekers in States without their consent will end.
It’s already too late. Even though it ended with Trum’s administrative ban, that doesn’t mean they can or will catch all the Islamic jihad sleeper agents. Courtesy of our American Hussein boy that can’t be anti American cause he is black, and all of America’s voters… American exceptionalism at its finest.
While we won’t see Merkel’s Germany rape incidents, it is not as if the feds or the state will tell you about Muslim crimes when they pop up. The USA is big, so can absorb a lot of sleeper agents, but that just means that while people are distracted by Red vs Blue, another terror network is cooking itself.
To explain what Aesop is referring to: The Latter Day Saints has its own independent supply, logistics, and charity systems that is called the Food Storehouse or some such.
This is administered by volunteers and the priest of the LDS hierarchy, which consists of men who pass the standards of interview tests.
Even California’s MSM once praised the LDS storehouse system of being a great example of how charity should work and how welfare should work. The ideal that governments and others apparently keep failing at with more money and power.
That’s not because of Joseph Smith or the LDS conservative majority politics. I think any system run by people with integrity, even a dictatorship or autocracy, would be better than democracies run by Lucifer worship boys and child hunting “priests”.
Humans will argue about their ridiculous dogmas until the cows come home. I care more about military hard results.
LDS priests includes most if not all of an active congregation, whereas the “lay people” are mostly people who don’t volunteer time and energy in an all volunteer force. By that I mean unlike Catholic bishops and archbishops, LDS priests do not receive a stipend or kickback from the donations. Vatican priests, receive a pension and support from the organization at large, with only some exceptions.
For most NGOs, administrative costs tend to eat up a disproportionate majority of the “donations”. As the LDS store houses (I call them zombie apocalypse survival bunkers but that’s probably not officially recognized) uses only volunteers for most of the work, the administrative costs are rolled into the actual output of relief aid.
As for additional private donations, these are made in the form of fast offerings every month or so, where a family would skip a few meals every month and donate the cost of the food to the storehouse or associated organizations.
Many Christians have tried to go off a money system, such as Joseph Smith and the Pilgrims but apparently a money less society doesn’t work for humans. Communism seems stuck on that one though.
The current Federal Reserve notes have an entirely other problem however. The notes themselves are a good example of talisman magic, often used by the sorcerers and mages of the Ancient Egyptians: reference Moses vs Egypt’s wizards.
The LDS hierarchy is a peculiar organization that combines elements of being more Baptist than the Baptists, more hierarchical than the Catholics, and more organized than some nation’s armies. That’s why some people with their dogmas, think Mormons are out to take over the world, because they have satellite dishes all over the place.
And because Mitt Romney has a dog on his car as a Superweapon of course. They’re almost like the anti Christ.
According to UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) statistics, three million refugees have been accepted by the U.S. since 1975.
Looking at the charts on the UNHCR webpage for U.S. resettlements, it looks like there were around 450,000-500,000 refugees resettled in the U.S. during the Obama years, placed in D.C., and in every state of the Union except one.
Resettlement was done by the State Department working through 9 different NGOs, which this website claims “work with local partners in the communities to help refugees find work, integrate, and adjust.”
(From what I have read, the MO of these NGOs–with some “religious” name in their title is, instead, to dump these refugees in a community with (taxpayer funded) money for one or two months, then move on to the next resettlement, likely in another state, leaving the locals holding the bag, and forced to deal with the social and economic turmoil, and the extra costs that the introduction of these refugees into their communities–often without their prior knowledge or consent and/or over their objections–causes.
In addition, I have seen statistics that indicate that a large percentage of refugees are on welfare for many years, and some never get off it–they’re on welfare for the rest of their lives.)
In FY2017, 53,713 refugees were resettled in the U.S.–40% of them from the (majority Muslim) Near East & (Mostly Muslim and Hindu) South Asia, another 38% of them from Africa, (about 40% Muslim), 9.5% from Asia, another 9.5% from Europe, with a final 3% from Latin America & the Caribbean.
From reports, only a tiny fraction of these refugees were Christians.
Their top places of origin–the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Iraq, and Syria.
The states where most 2017 refugees were placed being–apparently in order of most placements–California, Texas, New York, Washington, Ohio, Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia.
So, there we are.
a couple years ago there was the story of the Gypsy population from Romania being settled in California, Pennsylvania, My father’s hometown.
it was quite upsetting to the locals to have that culture inserted into theirs with no assimilation.
Add in the millions of legal immigrants, plus the millions of illegal aliens, swarming across the border to disperse all over our country, and you can see that–realize it or not–a massive demographic tidal wave of ethnic, cultural, and political change is engulfing our country.
Gee, it’s almost like someone wants to totally remake America, in a direction away from our founding principles, traditional, Judeo-Christian culture, and our former relative national unity and social cohesion.
I wonder why?
Ed Bonderenka–A couple of nights ago Tucker Carlson featured the story of the old coal mining town of Hazelton, PA where, since 2000, their population has gone from less than 2% Hispanic, to majority Hispanic, over 50% of the people in this town now speak a language other than English at home, and the natives no longer recognize “their old town.”
Coming soon to a city or town near you.
P.S.–It’s pretty obvious that those behind these resettlement and immigration efforts have given no consideration to–or perhaps believe it deserves no consideration–using methods and acting in ways that will preserve our social and political cohesion, and traditional American society and culture.
Islamic States of America.
Best bet is civil war 2. Most people told me that I was prophesying doom and gloom, but civil war is actually your best option, America. Want to see the worst option?
Ed Bonderenka–I remember the special.
Forty Romanian Gypsies from Bucharest, all “undocumented,” plunked down in a small city of 7,000 outside of Pittsburgh as part of the Fed’s “Alternative to Detention” Program i.e. instead of holding them in detention, awaiting determination of their claims for asylum, it was more “humane” for them to be sent to await their determination in California, PA.
As I remember, it was kind of spooky, the Gypsies, the show said/intimated, had a totally different culture, world-view, language, and outlook than the people they were plunked down among.
Several hundreds of the native residents of the town attended a town meeting, complaining that these Gypsies were not fitting in/assimilating.
According to one article about this situation “…the residents cited trash in yards, disruptions in town markets, children and men defecating in public streets, and immigrants cutting off the heads of chickens in public areas.”
Another article, opined that their move to claim asylum in the U.S. was a case of “benefits tourism” i.e. since Rumania joined the EU, and public benefits had been reduced, there had been an exodus of Gypsies seeking better public benefits in other countries. This second article also cited additional complaints that these Gypsies were “ignoring traffic rules” and were responsible for a lot of “unruly behavior in public places.”
Said the first article, “At the town meeting, town officials and the police chief told residents they had received no warning from the federal government about the immigrants’ arrival.”
I remember some of these Gypsies giving a hostile, hard stare at the cameramen, the men wearing “wife beater” t-shirts, broken furniture on their disheveled front lawns, and a lot of their kids running around.
The local realtor renting apartments to the Gypsies said that he had heard that another 100 Gypsies were coming.
My overall impression was that these sullen and apparently hostile Gypsies were not very grateful for our hospitality, nor interested in following our rules.
Re the Gypsies in California, PA.
It strikes me that, if we wanted people to take a dump in the street, we could have just brought in our own, native, street people, and not had to import foreigners to do the job.
Sorry, I couldn’t help it.
My wife tells me that I have a very crude, childish sense of humor.
Seems to me this is just another approach to implementing Obama’s Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH), which Ben Carson had decided to “reinterpret” (drop).
Sure, it will be voluntary at the outset, but when things go wrong, or when it comes to applying regulations/fines to ensure everyone’s safety, will the city side with the homeowners or the homeless? For example, once a garage is made available to homeless, will it be required to meet ADA standards? I would imagine CA will regulate these people to bankruptcy.
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Snow. My cousin still goes back to visit .
It’s not pretty.
Ymar – “I call them zombie apocalypse survival bunkers but that’s probably not officially recognized”
I am going to print that up on t-shirts!
You got most of it correct, barring a few nuances.
Our “priests” are all lay-persons, but we don’t use that term for those who are called for a period of time (from months to years) in particular organizational leadership positions (“ministries” in other churches); that includes women, BTW, we just don’t call any of them “priests” — all are unpaid volunteers who still have day-jobs.
Our Priests are all the 16-17 year old young men.
Oddly enough, a lot of people who don’t come to Sunday meetings and won’t accept leadership callings (“inactive” members) will still show up for welfare projects.
The only paid “clergy” are the First Presidency and possibly the Quorum of Apostles (those positions are 24/7/365), and IIRC that’s only a living stipend and housing, if they want it.
Snow & Ymar —
The idea that the Feds can dump immigrants in the States without “permission” (even if there is a local organization serving as a “front”) is definitely a problem; however, it looks to me almost like the “bizarro world” mirror image of the States’ refusing to accept the Feds’ supremacy on illegal immigration.
Each level of government is pushing its own version of “Sanctuary Cities” and the only sure thing is that, in both cases, the local communities lose out (in all the many ways you detailed; I don’t think a list of pros and cons will balance very well in favor of either version).
You got most of it correct, barring a few nuances.
I call it mystifying my sources. Based upon Special Forces level analysis of intel, they and some of those like me, can determine which source was behind the information based on details and limited pathways of information.
Thus mystifying a source means to make certain details vague in an intel debrief, so that even if it is leaked, the people reading it can’t easily tell what the source is.
If I wrote everything I knew, it would be easy for people at my level to determine exactly how I knew it. Of course, this is all a hobby game, so if people are really good, they can already figure it out. It’s not like I don’t write enough for a textual analysis that is close to mind reading to work on me . It just depends on whether people have the skills or not.
One touch, one kill, is a skill in martial arts. Doesn’t mean everyone I meet or hug has that skill. But it is not bad to assume it is true to be on yellow alert all the time that it becomes a habit. That is the true operative mind of a warrior. Not the sheep that think Manna falls from Heaven.
The only paid “clergy” are the First Presidency and possibly the Quorum of Apostles (those positions are 24/7/365), and IIRC that’s only a living stipend and housing, if they want
Who pays for their body guards?
Of course, there are all sorts of ways to use that information… after all, bribing a bodyguard is mostly based upon the integrity of the individual and how much he is paid. In Latin America, operatives CIA and otherwise, carry Benjamin 100 buck backs, because it’s a good bribe tool to get out of trouble with the local armed guerillas, mafia, and police.
The strength of the US green back is very Stronk in those Latin American countries where money is life, and life is based on strength and resources.
An example of a way to assassinate someone by knowing who pays them ,is to setup a situation where the payer defaults on the payment or for some reason decreases it compared to other perceived pay raises or medical situations in the bodyguard’s situation. Then the bodyguard is “turned” by his circumstances, due to the temptation of a higher paying offer that soothes their ego or medical needs (usually family related as crippled body guards aren’t worth much, although they still have some worth as inside agents).
It’s why when Hussein and MIchelle O was replacing the SS with their black panther black bodyguards, my red flag went up. What happens to Trum when these Black Panther black boys stay on the SS? Is Trum going to be “protected”? Heh, I wouldn’t bet my cat’s life on that.
The alternative to Controlling or turning an agent, is blackmail. Remember all those SS prostitution parties? Gotta film that and archive it. Good stuff that special agents use. Russians even had Gay prostitution sugar honey rings, using male agents to tempt American gays with high security clearances. It actually worked too. Those crazy Russians.
Epstein did the same thing when Clinton was shopping around for a young female sex slave. That’s why Epstein only got 12 months of resort vacation for sex slave trafficking. Got to have the black mail, Aesop, if you want to operate in the shadow parts of this world.
These days I think Mk Ultra Mind Control latest generation version is much better and easier to use. We got that stuff from Operation paperclip too. Verbal/Linguistics used in Neural Linguistic Programming is another application, used by Pick up Artists and Chomsky (Leftist).
I have personally witnessed the power of the Holy Ghost to turn the hardened hearts of mortals and humans towards compassion and caring just righteousness towards all of humanity.
If it was just human power I could access, I would become xenophobic and start going around in death squads cleaning out all these foreign rapists and murderers that Hussein and Leftists want to get inside the US.
However, I am beginning to think the Divine Counsel is using this as a test and opportunity for operatives. Can you truly utilize the power under the Heavens or not?
If you can, here’s a bunch of humans you would never have been able to reach, from the Middle East. Complete the mission, at all costs. Don’t worry, even if you die, you’ll be resurrected.
Basically, the Divine Counsel is giving us humans one last ultimatum and challenge hard mode, before the world ends in Fire. That’s fine. So long as I get New Game +, at least.
Converting all these people, the Islamic Jihad, Mexican drug cartels, Deep State, Leftist alliance, would be IMPOSSIBLE for any national superpower, Babylon and the USA included.
It is not impossible for the elohim and the power of the Holy Ghost. Well, if it is, at least we’ll go out with a bang, just like Sodom.
(I just felt an earthquake tremor right now. Don’t worry Earth-chan, you’ll get your chance too.)
This is why, unlike most people in the US, i’m not going “crazy” jumping on various human band wagons looking for salvation.
It is not peace or salvation that I sought, but Justice. If that requires the end of ALL of humanity similar to the Divine Flood…
Then Bring it On. It’s about time to end this war. Oops, the crazy sound bites came out still: hehe.
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