Islamicist terrorism in Oslo?
Maybe. Sure looks like it:
A bomb killed seven people in Norway’s capital Oslo on Friday…Shortly afterwards, a gunman opened fire at the island of Utoeya north-west of Oslo, where Stoltenberg’s Labour party youth section’s annual gathering was taking place.
Daily newspaper VG said on its website a man dressed as a policeman had been shooting wildly and had hit many people.
Norwegian commercial broadcaster TV2 said several people had been killed in the shooting spree.
There was no clear claim of responsibility and while the attacks appeared to bear the hallmarks of an Islamist militant assault, analysts said it was too early to draw any conclusions.
NATO member Norway has been the target of threats before over its involvement in conflicts in Afghanistan and Libya.
Multiple, time-coordinated attacks? Car bomb? Sure has the hallmarks of Islamicist terrorism (or what the Reuters article so carefully calls a “militant assault,” although rather surprisingly they do manage to put the word “Islamist” in there too). And Oslo has the people, some of whom have the motive. Norway has a sizable but hardly enormous Muslim population, somewhere between 2% and 3.4%, the majority of whom are from Pakistan. The city of Oslo, however, has a greater concentration of Muslims: 7.5%.
No, of course this doesn’t mean that it’s certain that the attack is an example of Islamicist terrorism. And yes, no doubt the majority of the Muslims of Oslo are law-abiding. But there’s no escaping the conclusion that Islamicist terrorism is the most likely explanation for this unprecedented (for Norway, anyway) attack.
No place to run, no place to hide—and Norway gets no points off for previous good behavior:
There have been previous threats against Norway, but political violence has been almost unknown in a country renowned for sponsoring the Nobel Peace Prize and mediating in conflicts ranging from the Middle East to Sri Lanka.
It seems clear that the death toll might have been worse—and it might have included the Prime Minister:
The bombing blew out windows in a 17-story modern building housing the prime minister’s office, set fire to the Oil Ministry across the street and left broken masonry, glass and twisted steel girders littering the street.
The mangled remains of an overturned automobile lay amid the debris.
Authorities said Prime Minister Stoltenberg was safe, as he had been working at home instead of in his office at the time of the mid-afternoon blast. Norwegians work short hours in the summer and many were on summer holidays, so there were fewer people on the streets and in office buildings than would normally be the case at that time of day.
“This is very serious,” Mr. Stoltenberg told Norwegian TV2 in a phone call. He said it was too early to say if the bombing was a terrorist attack. Police had advised him not to say where he was speaking from.
I hope that’s a mistranslation, because it’s certainly not too early to say if the bombing was a terrorist attack. It most certainly was, whoever the perpetrator[s] might be. Does Mr. Stoltenberg work for Reuters?
It also seems that Oslo’s got some catching up to do:
Oslo, a city of 1.4 million population, is a relatively easy target for terrorists. Residents interviewed after the bombing on Friday said security is fairly light around the government buildings that appeared to be the focus of the attack, with no restrictions on driving and parking cars in front of them.
That’s a very basic form of security, and I’m surprised it had not been implemented previously. Oslo may have been in denial until now, but that could change.
[UPDATE 6:32 PM—The gunman at the youth camp appears to have been Norwegian:
The gunman appeared “tall, blond and [of] Nordic looks” according to reports.
A reporter from Norwegian TV 2 news channel, Lasse Evensen, said he has spoken to several witnesses at the site.
“They told me that there was a man with light hair and light skin, 190 centimeters tall and well-trained, who pulled out an automatic weapon and opened fire,” said Evensen.
It has also been reported that someone has been arrested, although it’s not clear whether this was the gunman or someone else:
Norway’s Minister of Justice and the Police Knut Storberget said that a Norwegian man was arrested after being shot by police.
So it is possible that this was not an Islamicist terrorist attack, but the act of some other copycat group. It is also possible that it was indeed an Islamicist terrorist attack, and that ethnic Norwegians were recruited for the task. It is also possible that all of this information is misinformation; sometimes it takes a while for things to sort themselves out in an event so dreadful and chaotic. Reports are also conflicting about the number of teenagers killed; some witnesses have said as many as 30.]
[UPDATE 9:49 PM–One source claims that the suspect has been named, and that he’s a right-wing extremist. I can find no corroboration for this as yet, although it’s certainly possible. We know from the example of Tim McVeigh that home-grown terrorists can be extremely lethal.
Was McVeigh really a right-wing extremist? Well, he certainly wasn’t a man of the left. But I would characterize him more as a paranoid survivalist, loner, and gun fanatic who hated government with a passion—thus, his target, a government building. It would not surprise me if the Norwegian gunman were a somewhat similar figure who hates the present Norwegian government and ruling Labour Party, since these were his targets.]
I believe that an Islamic group has since claimed credit.
The western excusers are going to have a tough time with this. But I expect them to prevail, at least in their own minds.
Gunman attack on a youth camp island in Norway. Early reports 20-30 dead. Police confirm 10 but still searching. Mostly children.
7/5 percent muslim in Oslo = 45,000. Plenty of recruits.
For some reason, I’m reminded of a spoof headline from the UK.
“Muslim leaders concerned about backlash from next week’s bombing.”
Yet another demonstration that islam is not peaceful and not even a religion. It’s a personality and death cult complete with its own horde. By doctrine, it regards its temporal founder, a hucskster, rapist, sadist, assassin, mass murderer, liar, adulterer, and child abuser, as the ‘al-insan al-kamil, – the ‘perfect man’; and his life as ‘uswa hasana’- the ‘model of conduct’ for all muslims. If this is the premise of your ‘faith’ yours is not a religious faith but a religiously applied wickedness and you are not a bit holy religious but wholly insane.
All muslims, even those not planting bombs or lopping off body parts are, or should be, persona non grata in any civilized society.
“This is very serious,” Mr. Stoltenberg told Norwegian TV2
Oslo may have been in denial until now, but that could change.
Nah, on the Left ideology trumps common sense every time the two come into conflict. Might it be that the Zombie theme in media is so popular these days because it reflects a bubbling up through the liberal subconscious of a recognition of the absolutely ruthless nature of the enemy? To my mind the terrorists are very much like zombies. And the mindlessness always begins and ends with the ‘religion.’
They’ll blame the Jews.
As we speak, reporters for Reuters and AP are desperately scouring Sarah Palin’s Web site for something which might have inspired this.
The Norwegians have bent over backwards to accommodate their new Muslim neighbors -especially compared to Jewish citizens of Norway Shows you what you get. As the saying goes, give them an inch, and they will take a mile.
Norway has a sizable but hardly enormous Muslim population, somewhere between 2% and 3.4% …
It only takes one.
In July, 2010 sharia courts were banned in Norway. This might be the jihadists’ idea of celebrating the anniversary.
“..Left ideology trumps common sense every time the two come into conflict.”
That certainly happens on a daily basis.
http://www.norwaynews.com/en/
reports 30 killed in the youth camp.
My guess is that they will find some way of saying next to nothing and doing nothing. As the Arab historian Ibn Kaldun wrote, once cowardice overtakes a nation it is hard to shake it off.
Bruce Bawer has written extensively about the Islamization of Europe focusing on Norway. The whole thing seems analogous to a cowardly elephant being bossed around by a pretentious mouse.
Here is Bat Ye’or’s take on it. She is the author of Eurabia.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/bat-yeor-a-criminal-supremacist-ideology-vs-the-human-moral-element.html
As we speak, reporters for Reuters and AP are desperately scouring Sarah Palin’s Web site for something which might have inspired this.
Ha ha. Loved it.
Muslim leaders concerned about backlash from next week’s bombing.
With this I’m laughing through tears. Because it’s only barely satire and too close to the truth.
They’ll blame the Jews.
The politically correct term is “Zionist entity.”
… once cowardice overtakes a nation it is hard to shake it off.
Cowardice, yes, maybe. But what I mainly observe in the Western World, including of course the USA, is a withering away of the will to fight. The enemy is intelligent, ruthless, dedicated, patient, willing to risk death and they are numerous. The only advantage we possess is superior technology and that advantage is slipping away. The future does not look bright to me.
Mere Sunshine from Jewel Fern’s “Deep Planet Six.”
Sunshine from Heaven, Fall
Be grasped by hoary limb
Until the sunlight fail
to find the mirror within.
Probably a disgruntled Lutheran. Right..?
Does it really matter? If it was a Muslim or group of Muslims it would be nothing new. If it were a McVeigh type, that too would be nothing new.
A bunch of Muslims fleeing their homes and then trying to bring exactly what they fled to their new homes? Or a guy (or group) trying to fight the changes that the new bunch is bringing? Again, nothing new.
It’s always one or the other and it’s always brought on by a governing class that does not listen to the governed.
Drudge’s headline is now saying 80+ dead.
Must be the Norwegian “gun culture”.
“It would not surprise me if the Norwegian gunman were a somewhat similar figure who hates the present Norwegian government and ruling Labour Party, since these were his targets.”
There are many questions yet to be answered. The perp hates the government’s coddling of Islamic extremists but muslims are not targeted? He hates muslims but instead kills Norwegian children? However, crazy people do crazy things so you may be right on target.
“Does Mr. Stoltenberg work for Reuters?”
I’ve heard a couple live interviews with a Reuters correspondent who lives in the capitol there and he wouldn’t take the bait / softballs from his American interviewers and blame the local ‘right wing’ He was actually emphatic that the Norwegian domestic right is not violent (in word or deed). Stood out since Reuters, in general, is pretty biased towards the left.
“Sure has the hallmarks of Islamicist terrorism”
So if Reuters does, why you also rushing to this conclusions?
However, looks again and again people have their own mantra and personalities that make them lost their direction by obey their evilness inside about these crime and criminals keep selecting same words and identities.
Just wait give time to find out then speaks about those criminals despite their color or believes.
Remember and reread your history well and look to your ancestors what they done to people around the world.
See
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267/ns/world_news-europe/t/suspect-deadly-norway-attacks-named/
Strange that the police suggested that the shooter was “right-wing Christian fundamentalist”. Looks more like typical Nazi.
)0 victims – most of them Young Socialists and identified murder is a Far right xenophobe exremist.
World is not black and white. What happened to you (part of )American and (part of )jews friend ? Like Europe over the Seventies you are entrapled among various -ism :Conservatism, Liberalism, Zionsm, Obamism etc. Stop tagging people and facts and come back to your genuine pragmatic roots. Do not forget that Far Right is still alive and kickng and you do not need to be Islamic to target Jews. -unfortunately. Look around out of your world Americamn and Israel friends – danger of extremism on both side, Far left and far Right
From his looks it is obvious to me that this is a case of Satanic posession. (Also known as paranoid schizophrenia: megalomaniac with prosecution complex.)
here more who behind the attacks
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/norway-attacks-anders-behring-breivik-reported-suspect/story?id=14139886
This is from FT.com
Well 50,000 to 2 pretty much proves that whacko Christians are the problem in the world.
I’d shoot my own self if
cont…
I’d shoot my own self if liberalism made me that mathematically delusional.
Sergey could be right, but the problem is how does a schizophrenic accomplish the planning and executing this shows. Schizo’s are gravely disabled persons who generally are unable to meet even their basic needs of shelter and food.
I think this looks like a McVeigh repeat where the false narrative was established of an act alone perpetrator. McVeigh was a front for Muslim terrorists. Consult “The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection the the Oklahoma City Bombing,” by Jayna Davis.
Curtis Says:
July 23rd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Thank you. I’m glad somebody mentioned that.
Section 531 of Title 28 (Judiciary and Judicial Procedure) states, “The Federal Bureau of Investigation is in the Department of Justice.”
Perhaps people think the FBI is some sort of independent law enforcement agency. It is not. The failure that is the public’s mistaken belief about McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombing is due to the FBI, who, as evidenced above, has a master, that is the Attorney General and, ultimately, the President of the United States. Under Clinton’s presidency, the Muslim sympathy was stark and real. How much more under Obama’s? And in Norway?
You use what works. Blaming the Republicans for shutting the government down worked in 1995. Blaming fundamental Christians for McVeigh worked in 1995 as well. Clinton got re-elected. Now, you can bet both things are being used to get Obama re-elected.
Tim McVeigh……Third Terrorist:…
Looks you never learn from you past, to refresh your memory is’nt Saddam was linked to Al-Qaeda also? then your full brainers in your Very intelligent CIA got it wrong….
kk, what’s your first language?
Andrea and KK,
Please stop your BSing. Those of us who get their news from other than the Marxist owned and operated MSM know what form the Nazism of our age takes, and we have heard its rallying cry in the sound that the current American president considers to be the most beautiful on earth.
Ziontruth ( what a nickname ! does it means you are the truth for all Zion ? ) – I decide when stopping. Any way do not worry : early or later in some future posts someone will discover that the guilty for Oslo tragedy is a Marxist Jew
I actually believed the Norway/international media when they said this guy was a right winger.
Of course I know their bias and propaganda lies, but I had my own independent confirmation almost a year ago (several months ago), that Norway has had serial killers that used immigration and Muslim crime as justifications for their serial killing sprees.
This is just an escalation of an already escalated and violent situation so it seemed 100% logical to me.
Also the fact that the bomb blew up the building when there weren’t a lot of people in it, felt too familiar and casualty conscious for the work of Islamic radicals.
I think generally, this means Leftists now have two enemies gunning for em. Their allies, Islamic jihad that kills infants and rapes women, and their natural enemies, the servants and peons and serfs they naturally lord over in their home countries.
Instead of Islamies killing Christians and Christians killing Islamies, both will now end up killing Leftists.
Leftists that take the side of Islamic law against Western liberties.
Isn’t that ironic?