It can be told, but will it? With so much of the dinosaur media carrying water for the left, it is a wonder that any Republican and/or Libertarian is ever enen considered for office.
I was shocked to see that in the NYT, must have slipped past the editors somehow, doesn’t fit the narrative.
Actually, Nicholas Kristoff did a piece several years ago crediting Bush for his involvement in South Sudan. He even said that it was Christian missionaries who brought the situation there to Bush’s attention. That article is one that convinced me that BDS was incurable because no one else at the paper of record seemed to grasp what Kristoff said, ie, that Bush and Christians aren’t stupid. But hey, the great intellects like Joy Behar can’t be challenged.
Let’s have a contest. Who can think of a way for Obama and the left to turn this against GWB in a way that makes Obama look like a sagacious hero.
I want to see if we can guess how the leftie press will pull it off.
Kofi Annan helped them too by not acting preemptively to stop the genocide that lead to the division … now we have a division of graveyards instead of people.
1. Governance in Africa has been what it has been, but hopefully not what it will be. I wish the new nation well.
2. No fan of GW Bush to put it mildly, I do not begrudge credit where it is due.
W did a number of things he hasn’t gotten proper credit for. If our lefties hadn’t whined about Iraq so much, Bush might have solved the Syrian and Iranian problems years ago.
Worse thing he did was trying to be compassionate with the prescription bill and allowing the housing bubble started by the Dems to continue.
You can’t legislate compassion. Often the government can’t afford it. Plus, the persons who are forced to provide the compassion resent it and the persons who receive it don’t appreciate it. (But always vote for more.)
I read it in a continual state of climax. What? What? Okay it’s a sorry imagery even to me, but I was left gasping and thinking of a cigarette. Well, in my case, not a cigarette but a nice meal.
gs, are you becoming a Palin fan yet? Have you lost any respect or hope in whatever ever ISN’T Palin? (by definition Bachman is Palin, Bolton is Palin, Cain is mostly Palin, Cristie is mostly Palin, Bush was mostly Palin, Gingrich is not Palin, Romney is not Palin, and so on and so on. It is hard to articulate, but that is why we have Neo.)
Coincidentally, and similarly in the lack of western ink, Eastern Europe is honoring Reagan on his centenary.
Think they know something?
Nah. Can’t be.
The text does not contain the terms ‘Republican’ or ‘GOP’.
Have you googled Palin’s popularity in AK? There have been multiple polls. Her profit is not honored in her own country.
gs,
“No fan of GW Bush to put it mildly, I do not begrudge credit where it is due.”
Ditto. I’d also say, it would have been better, both for America and for the free world at large, if this kind of thing had been his hallmark, and not the futile “nation-building” efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The propping up of infidel states instead of trying to civilize the incurably savage of the Muslim world, who inevitably backslide into their usual brutish routine (jihad against the infidels, including the very ones who helped them, or against one another if infidels are currently unavailable) once the infidel no longer ceases to project an aura of power.
A great and good man slandered for eight years, 24/7. 365, in surround sound and 3D.
A small and wicked man praised as if a demi-god.
There is no society in history that could long survive such moral inversion.
We have one last chance (2012) to right the wrong; to turn the ship around; to begin to put things right side up.
Surely, it is our last chance, if we even have it. There simply cannot be a recovery from an Obama re-election. No way.
I don’t think GWB started out meaning to do nation building in Afghanistan or Iraq. He started the actions in those countries because he truly felt that it was in the interest of our security to do so. Once in those wars, it became apparent that he would have to rebuild governments there to keep the “bad guys” from filling a vacuum.
Will it be successful? Time will tell. The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. Not by a long shot. I *will* point out that the only two countries in the Middle East with truly elected governments are Israel and Iraq. Even Afghanistan is a LOT closer than it used to be.
And I agree with GWB…democracies typically don’t attack other countries.
Yes, the NYT article was a pleasant surprise — and a reminder that there still are some real journalists at our newspaper of record.
FWIW, I think that Colin Powell may deserve some credit, too. As I recall, he did some of the negotiating. (I suspect the Bush/Powell team included some hints about military aid to the southern rebels, if the government couldn’t make a deal.)
But I think that the NYT article was exceptional. The Seattle Times ran an article on independence for southern Sudan, which didn’t mention Bush, and I doubt whether Bush was mentioned on the TV news programs.
I’m glad that the US tried nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely, we’ve learned a lot about those countries and also about Islam and the need to stop its spread, maybe push it back via Christianity, Buddhism, whatever helps spread morality.
Now it’s time for our leaders to stand up for Western Civilization.
I feel the same way about Israel having tried to work with the so-called Palestinians. Now they can do what’s necessary to preserve their little country without guilt from an overactive guilt complex/self-hatred for existing/ Stockholm Syndrome, whatever.
I’m in a feisty mood tonight. I like to give people a chance, but they need to know that there’s a limit for even a permissive society like the US or Israel.
Back on topic: Yay Bush for trying to built nations, but he left a bit too much slack in the rope, and the Islamics don’t fear us enough.
Promethea,
Bush may have left too much slack in the rope, but our enemies know about our 2-term limit and they played the peaceniks hoping for a second chance. We also have Bush to thank for Petraeus and Gates. I’ve been reading lots of criticism of the latter, but I hate to think what Obama might have done without him. Gates has been teaching Military Command 101 since Nov 2008. I think it was only his authority that held Obama in check, and even he couldn’t prevent the simultaneous announcements of surge and withdrawal date.
Back to Bush: He also vastly improved our relations with India and saved untold lives after the tsunami. I will even give him some credit with NCLB, although it’s hard to know which ideas were his and which were Kennnedy’s. But the testing has revealed how truly awful the schools are, and the Atlanta scandal has shown where the organized educators stand. Bush didn’t solve the ed problem, but he at least made it impossible for the country to deny that we have a problem that can be solved by money.
I sometimes wish Bush had fought back harder against his domestic enemies, but perhaps he realized that he couldn’t win against the academics and the MSM. He showed character that I haven’t detected since he left Washington. I miss him and Laura.
problem that CAN’T be solved by money.
OMT, although Bush didn’t convey the message properly, I think his idea of compassionate conservatism probably meant helping others without making them into permanent victims and robbing them of self respect. One of our next battles must be against those who deny personal responsibility and thus rob people of pride in their own achievements.
“”A great and good man slandered for eight years, 24/7. 365, in surround sound and 3D.
A small and wicked man praised as if a demi-god.
There is no society in history that could long survive such moral inversion.””
Mike Mc
How do you resolve shamelessness in people’s hearts? You can’t vote it out. You can’t legislate it away. I don’t see anything but a very humbling catastrophic event/events righting such a mental state that we see. And it appears we are headed full bore toward such a correction.
SteveH asked,
“How do you resolve shamelessness in people’s hearts? You can’t vote it out. You can’t legislate it away. I don’t see anything but a very humbling catastrophic event/events righting such a mental state that we see.”
1. Prayer. We have been at the hope and a prayer stage for years now. It’s our last shot at changing us and getting a little help from above. I prefer a rosary when I am driving.
2. Option 2 is the humbling catastrophic event you mentioned. We are in one now – the Obama/Pelosi/Reid era of American Hell. But it could get much worse. It may have to, and we may never recover.
Everything is big now; every small thing may be major.
If the Rs cave to Obama even a little on this debt thing, for example, everything could be lost. It would be like Patton compromising with Rommel in WWII – we’ll let you kill a few and take some ground; and we’ll kill a few and take some ground.’
Absurd. But that is exactly where we are.
Obama/Pelosi/Reid, all who support them, and all they represent are the enemy. Period.
One side will win and one side will lose. America will survive and prosper or it will die. Period.
The Founders wrote about enemies “foreign and domestic”. They knew exactly what they were talking about. It’s taken 230+ years but that is where we are right now.
I wish we weren’t there. I hate that we a re there. In my opinion that is exactly where we are and wishing it away won’t work.
We have one last chance, to replace Obama in 2012. I have been saying for years now that if we don’t do that America is officially “over”.
3. A real leader would help; a person who could call out the goodness in people and call them to rise to the occasion. Palin is the only one who could do that right now. The rest of them are second-raters at best. On the other hand, if she does not jump in then she is not really the one either.
the one will be the one who takes the flag and jumps in. They haven’t yet.
The capacity for self-delusion is, apparently, pretty capacious. It would be hard to think of any kind of catastrophe whose results would be both severe enough and sufficiently on point to cause the scales to fall from various eyes.
Either the catastrophe isn’t severe enough, or the lessons aren’t sufficiently labled “HERE IS THE ISSUE, MORON!”
One of the most useful techniques of the left is training people to blame others, with little or no actual connection, for anything at all inconvenient, even if it’s their own fault, or that of the left.
Mike Mc and StevenH, in a straight honest election I doubt if Obama would anywhere near a majority, but expect the next election to be the most corrupt election in US history. We already know a lot of misplaced ballots will be found throwing toss-ups to the Dems. Also expect phony tea-party candidates, Dems voting in Repub primaries to get unelectable candidates on the Republican ballots, tossing out mail in ballots form the military, massive phony ballots to throw elections into doubt where Repubs hold majorities.
I agree Bob.
If we stand back and don’t fight fire with fire we have only ourselves to blame.
We take it as a given the other side is corrupt; that they will cheat, demagogue, steal, fix, etc., etc.
They call that a good days work.
We cry foul and do nothing.
Our side should already be in battle mode. Sunshine is the greatest disinfectant. Being vocal and pointing fingers is still the best strategy against a thief. The R leaders should put a tent in front of the WH and issue daily statements. We need to fight on every front possible in the most vocal and public way possible. We have to fight back. We can’t just complain.
I sometimes wish Bush had fought back harder against his domestic enemies, but perhaps he realized that he couldn’t win against the academics and the MSM.
Yep. Nixon fought back, and was labeled “paranoid.” Bush probably realized that squawking wouldn’t do any good, and would get him the same characterization.
Didn’t the collective German psyche undergo a massive transformation in the last year or six months of ww2? But they had to be reduced to shambles to get there. It wouldn’t have occured if they had faired better militarily. This is what i fear is the case for morally inverted progressive democrats. They can’t shake their irrational hatred of all that is good without a massive and undeniable threat to their pitiful lives.
A good ass-kicking does wonderfully clarify one’s thought processes, methinks.
Thanks for the proper link, gs.
You’re welcome, Curtis.
Your link was out of commission only for a short time. It’s working now.
O.B. Following your metaphor, the ass-kicker is behind the lib/prog and so the lib/prog would need a third party to tell him who or what the ass-kicker is. So clarification may still be a vain hope, depending on the third party.
Nonetheless, there would be a satisfaction in contemplating the ass-kicking for its own sweet self.
texexec,
“I *will* point out that the only two countries in the Middle East with truly elected governments are Israel and Iraq.”
Elections reflect the will of the people, even if that will exhibits the utmost in human stupidity. I think Americans having experienced the ravages of Obamarxist policies (especially the fiscal ones) should know that.
You can install a democracy in any state, but will it hold? As the majority of the people in most Muslim states believe in the supremacy of shariah law, installing democracy in any of those states will inevitably lead to the rise of Islamic theocracy in it. This so-called “Arab Spring” is Weimar 1933 squared.
expat,
“I sometimes wish Bush had fought back harder against his domestic enemies, but perhaps he realized that he couldn’t win against the academics and the MSM.”
No, that war was dealt a tremendous setback when McCarthy was railroaded in 1957. But it’ll have to be won someday if America–in fact, if any free nation-state–is to survive. The stranglehold the Marxists have over the media (giving the people the “information” they need to know) and academe (sowing the seeds of the new generation of operatives) enables them to maintain virtual rule over the state even when they are not in actual power.
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It can be told, but will it? With so much of the dinosaur media carrying water for the left, it is a wonder that any Republican and/or Libertarian is ever enen considered for office.
I was shocked to see that in the NYT, must have slipped past the editors somehow, doesn’t fit the narrative.
Actually, Nicholas Kristoff did a piece several years ago crediting Bush for his involvement in South Sudan. He even said that it was Christian missionaries who brought the situation there to Bush’s attention. That article is one that convinced me that BDS was incurable because no one else at the paper of record seemed to grasp what Kristoff said, ie, that Bush and Christians aren’t stupid. But hey, the great intellects like Joy Behar can’t be challenged.
Let’s have a contest. Who can think of a way for Obama and the left to turn this against GWB in a way that makes Obama look like a sagacious hero.
I want to see if we can guess how the leftie press will pull it off.
Kofi Annan helped them too by not acting preemptively to stop the genocide that lead to the division … now we have a division of graveyards instead of people.
1. Governance in Africa has been what it has been, but hopefully not what it will be. I wish the new nation well.
2. No fan of GW Bush to put it mildly, I do not begrudge credit where it is due.
W did a number of things he hasn’t gotten proper credit for. If our lefties hadn’t whined about Iraq so much, Bush might have solved the Syrian and Iranian problems years ago.
Worse thing he did was trying to be compassionate with the prescription bill and allowing the housing bubble started by the Dems to continue.
You can’t legislate compassion. Often the government can’t afford it. Plus, the persons who are forced to provide the compassion resent it and the persons who receive it don’t appreciate it. (But always vote for more.)
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150235296718435
I read it in a continual state of climax. What? What? Okay it’s a sorry imagery even to me, but I was left gasping and thinking of a cigarette. Well, in my case, not a cigarette but a nice meal.
gs, are you becoming a Palin fan yet? Have you lost any respect or hope in whatever ever ISN’T Palin? (by definition Bachman is Palin, Bolton is Palin, Cain is mostly Palin, Cristie is mostly Palin, Bush was mostly Palin, Gingrich is not Palin, Romney is not Palin, and so on and so on. It is hard to articulate, but that is why we have Neo.)
Coincidentally, and similarly in the lack of western ink, Eastern Europe is honoring Reagan on his centenary.
Think they know something?
Nah. Can’t be.
Curtis, your link does not work. This one does.
The text does not contain the terms ‘Republican’ or ‘GOP’.
Have you googled Palin’s popularity in AK? There have been multiple polls. Her profit is not honored in her own country.
gs,
“No fan of GW Bush to put it mildly, I do not begrudge credit where it is due.”
Ditto. I’d also say, it would have been better, both for America and for the free world at large, if this kind of thing had been his hallmark, and not the futile “nation-building” efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The propping up of infidel states instead of trying to civilize the incurably savage of the Muslim world, who inevitably backslide into their usual brutish routine (jihad against the infidels, including the very ones who helped them, or against one another if infidels are currently unavailable) once the infidel no longer ceases to project an aura of power.
A great and good man slandered for eight years, 24/7. 365, in surround sound and 3D.
A small and wicked man praised as if a demi-god.
There is no society in history that could long survive such moral inversion.
We have one last chance (2012) to right the wrong; to turn the ship around; to begin to put things right side up.
Surely, it is our last chance, if we even have it. There simply cannot be a recovery from an Obama re-election. No way.
I don’t think GWB started out meaning to do nation building in Afghanistan or Iraq. He started the actions in those countries because he truly felt that it was in the interest of our security to do so. Once in those wars, it became apparent that he would have to rebuild governments there to keep the “bad guys” from filling a vacuum.
Will it be successful? Time will tell. The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. Not by a long shot. I *will* point out that the only two countries in the Middle East with truly elected governments are Israel and Iraq. Even Afghanistan is a LOT closer than it used to be.
And I agree with GWB…democracies typically don’t attack other countries.
Yes, the NYT article was a pleasant surprise — and a reminder that there still are some real journalists at our newspaper of record.
FWIW, I think that Colin Powell may deserve some credit, too. As I recall, he did some of the negotiating. (I suspect the Bush/Powell team included some hints about military aid to the southern rebels, if the government couldn’t make a deal.)
But I think that the NYT article was exceptional. The Seattle Times ran an article on independence for southern Sudan, which didn’t mention Bush, and I doubt whether Bush was mentioned on the TV news programs.
I’m glad that the US tried nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely, we’ve learned a lot about those countries and also about Islam and the need to stop its spread, maybe push it back via Christianity, Buddhism, whatever helps spread morality.
Now it’s time for our leaders to stand up for Western Civilization.
I feel the same way about Israel having tried to work with the so-called Palestinians. Now they can do what’s necessary to preserve their little country without guilt from an overactive guilt complex/self-hatred for existing/ Stockholm Syndrome, whatever.
I’m in a feisty mood tonight. I like to give people a chance, but they need to know that there’s a limit for even a permissive society like the US or Israel.
Back on topic: Yay Bush for trying to built nations, but he left a bit too much slack in the rope, and the Islamics don’t fear us enough.
Promethea,
Bush may have left too much slack in the rope, but our enemies know about our 2-term limit and they played the peaceniks hoping for a second chance. We also have Bush to thank for Petraeus and Gates. I’ve been reading lots of criticism of the latter, but I hate to think what Obama might have done without him. Gates has been teaching Military Command 101 since Nov 2008. I think it was only his authority that held Obama in check, and even he couldn’t prevent the simultaneous announcements of surge and withdrawal date.
Back to Bush: He also vastly improved our relations with India and saved untold lives after the tsunami. I will even give him some credit with NCLB, although it’s hard to know which ideas were his and which were Kennnedy’s. But the testing has revealed how truly awful the schools are, and the Atlanta scandal has shown where the organized educators stand. Bush didn’t solve the ed problem, but he at least made it impossible for the country to deny that we have a problem that can be solved by money.
I sometimes wish Bush had fought back harder against his domestic enemies, but perhaps he realized that he couldn’t win against the academics and the MSM. He showed character that I haven’t detected since he left Washington. I miss him and Laura.
problem that CAN’T be solved by money.
OMT, although Bush didn’t convey the message properly, I think his idea of compassionate conservatism probably meant helping others without making them into permanent victims and robbing them of self respect. One of our next battles must be against those who deny personal responsibility and thus rob people of pride in their own achievements.
“”A great and good man slandered for eight years, 24/7. 365, in surround sound and 3D.
A small and wicked man praised as if a demi-god.
There is no society in history that could long survive such moral inversion.””
Mike Mc
How do you resolve shamelessness in people’s hearts? You can’t vote it out. You can’t legislate it away. I don’t see anything but a very humbling catastrophic event/events righting such a mental state that we see. And it appears we are headed full bore toward such a correction.
SteveH asked,
“How do you resolve shamelessness in people’s hearts? You can’t vote it out. You can’t legislate it away. I don’t see anything but a very humbling catastrophic event/events righting such a mental state that we see.”
1. Prayer. We have been at the hope and a prayer stage for years now. It’s our last shot at changing us and getting a little help from above. I prefer a rosary when I am driving.
2. Option 2 is the humbling catastrophic event you mentioned. We are in one now – the Obama/Pelosi/Reid era of American Hell. But it could get much worse. It may have to, and we may never recover.
Everything is big now; every small thing may be major.
If the Rs cave to Obama even a little on this debt thing, for example, everything could be lost. It would be like Patton compromising with Rommel in WWII – we’ll let you kill a few and take some ground; and we’ll kill a few and take some ground.’
Absurd. But that is exactly where we are.
Obama/Pelosi/Reid, all who support them, and all they represent are the enemy. Period.
One side will win and one side will lose. America will survive and prosper or it will die. Period.
The Founders wrote about enemies “foreign and domestic”. They knew exactly what they were talking about. It’s taken 230+ years but that is where we are right now.
I wish we weren’t there. I hate that we a re there. In my opinion that is exactly where we are and wishing it away won’t work.
We have one last chance, to replace Obama in 2012. I have been saying for years now that if we don’t do that America is officially “over”.
3. A real leader would help; a person who could call out the goodness in people and call them to rise to the occasion. Palin is the only one who could do that right now. The rest of them are second-raters at best. On the other hand, if she does not jump in then she is not really the one either.
the one will be the one who takes the flag and jumps in. They haven’t yet.
The capacity for self-delusion is, apparently, pretty capacious. It would be hard to think of any kind of catastrophe whose results would be both severe enough and sufficiently on point to cause the scales to fall from various eyes.
Either the catastrophe isn’t severe enough, or the lessons aren’t sufficiently labled “HERE IS THE ISSUE, MORON!”
One of the most useful techniques of the left is training people to blame others, with little or no actual connection, for anything at all inconvenient, even if it’s their own fault, or that of the left.
Mike Mc and StevenH, in a straight honest election I doubt if Obama would anywhere near a majority, but expect the next election to be the most corrupt election in US history. We already know a lot of misplaced ballots will be found throwing toss-ups to the Dems. Also expect phony tea-party candidates, Dems voting in Repub primaries to get unelectable candidates on the Republican ballots, tossing out mail in ballots form the military, massive phony ballots to throw elections into doubt where Repubs hold majorities.
I agree Bob.
If we stand back and don’t fight fire with fire we have only ourselves to blame.
We take it as a given the other side is corrupt; that they will cheat, demagogue, steal, fix, etc., etc.
They call that a good days work.
We cry foul and do nothing.
Our side should already be in battle mode. Sunshine is the greatest disinfectant. Being vocal and pointing fingers is still the best strategy against a thief. The R leaders should put a tent in front of the WH and issue daily statements. We need to fight on every front possible in the most vocal and public way possible. We have to fight back. We can’t just complain.
I sometimes wish Bush had fought back harder against his domestic enemies, but perhaps he realized that he couldn’t win against the academics and the MSM.
Yep. Nixon fought back, and was labeled “paranoid.” Bush probably realized that squawking wouldn’t do any good, and would get him the same characterization.
Didn’t the collective German psyche undergo a massive transformation in the last year or six months of ww2? But they had to be reduced to shambles to get there. It wouldn’t have occured if they had faired better militarily. This is what i fear is the case for morally inverted progressive democrats. They can’t shake their irrational hatred of all that is good without a massive and undeniable threat to their pitiful lives.
A good ass-kicking does wonderfully clarify one’s thought processes, methinks.
Thanks for the proper link, gs.
You’re welcome, Curtis.
Your link was out of commission only for a short time. It’s working now.
O.B. Following your metaphor, the ass-kicker is behind the lib/prog and so the lib/prog would need a third party to tell him who or what the ass-kicker is. So clarification may still be a vain hope, depending on the third party.
Nonetheless, there would be a satisfaction in contemplating the ass-kicking for its own sweet self.
texexec,
“I *will* point out that the only two countries in the Middle East with truly elected governments are Israel and Iraq.”
Elections reflect the will of the people, even if that will exhibits the utmost in human stupidity. I think Americans having experienced the ravages of Obamarxist policies (especially the fiscal ones) should know that.
You can install a democracy in any state, but will it hold? As the majority of the people in most Muslim states believe in the supremacy of shariah law, installing democracy in any of those states will inevitably lead to the rise of Islamic theocracy in it. This so-called “Arab Spring” is Weimar 1933 squared.
expat,
“I sometimes wish Bush had fought back harder against his domestic enemies, but perhaps he realized that he couldn’t win against the academics and the MSM.”
No, that war was dealt a tremendous setback when McCarthy was railroaded in 1957. But it’ll have to be won someday if America–in fact, if any free nation-state–is to survive. The stranglehold the Marxists have over the media (giving the people the “information” they need to know) and academe (sowing the seeds of the new generation of operatives) enables them to maintain virtual rule over the state even when they are not in actual power.