Why is this no surprise?
Remember Michael Moore? Yes, it was nice when he’d faded from view for a while. But now he’s briefly back in the limelight, offering to post bail for Julian Assange.
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Because birds of feather flock together as we know. That’s why there’s no surprise. Because evil feels evil even when they’re ratehr far away from each other.
I’m glad Assange has made bail.
This whole thing is bogus. I’m looking forward to the Bank of America stuff upcoming.
Let the world and (this includes the USA) choke on the pieces of human dung that they have representing them, that these leaks are revealing.
Moore: truly a wicked serpent. Take him, wriggling and squirming, and throw him into the UN pit. Let Assange and Moore explore and expose that cesspool. But no. The United States hasn’t been nice.
Ahh, but the corporations that’s… that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with… geometric logic.
Reason has some more interesting Assange supporters and colleagues:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/12/14/the-assange-employees
Holocaust deniers!
I’m looking forward to the day when my friends and I can put together a fund to post bail for this fat, obscene pile pending his trial for treason.
I find it interesting (but disgusting) when a Lefty finds it somehow raises his self-esteem to be considered so above it all, so enormously informed that he sides with anyone who denigrates or tries to damage his country.
Michael Moore has made a profession out of always being against his country, whichever government it has, and in his mindset it makes him________? what? I get that it’s natural to some on the far left to believe that it somehow makes them superior to us huddled masses. Garrison Keillor is another, and of course Hollywood teems with them–Robert Redford, Sean Penn, but how do they get that way?
Together with Jemima Khan and other luvvies. I keep asking how many of them would offer support to Geert Wilders.
Here’s a list of what has been “leaked” by wikileaks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_published_by_WikiLeaks
Hardly all US information, and some information on Russia upcoming.
By the way, despite having “wiki” in their names neither wikileaks or wikipedia have any relationship to each other.
some information on Russia upcoming
I suspect that won’t see the light of day. Otherwise, Assange might get a nice little dose of polonium 210. Or mysteriously disappear…into the loving arms of the FSB, who’ll ask him who gave him state secrets.
Darth:
I’d suggest you are wrong.
For one, Assange doesn’t have absolute authority over wikileaks, and hence can’t stop the organizations other members from doing whatever they feel is best, which may very well include releasing the encrypted “poison pill” file.
For two, I can’t see anyone acting so openly and blatently against Assange. Anything that happens to him after that would be blamed on the Russians and would not do their international reputation any good.
See, here’s the problem with worshipping force: it tends to backfire on you. I don’t know why you assume that whistleblowers are all scared of dictators – see the repeated plots against Hitler to disabuse you of that notion. Push too hard, and people with a conscience tend to push back. It’s the same with our government – the more “tough” they get to try to patch these leaks , the more laws they stretch or assaults against the constitution they do there more people of conscience inside the government will come to see them as the enemy and leak things. And honestly? Our government has a hell of a lot of skeletons in its closet and tons of things to be ashamed of or held accountable for.
“”Anything that happens to him after that would be blamed on the Russians and would not do their international reputation any good.””
Brad
LOL….You mean the Russians who thrive on and take pride in having a reputation for ruthlessness? LOL!
SteveH:
Can you kindly list me a prominent dissident that they have held in some Siberia for years who wasn’t either a thug himself , an oligarch, or a member of say, the Chechen nationalist movement?
I wasn’t aware that current Russians had the reputation for assasinations or kidnappings of foreign nationals, esp. ones from western countries like Assange.
I’m sure you can find me a modern day Russian Sakerov can’t you?
P.S. About the alleged Russian assassination of Litvinenko, there seems to be a cable:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/12/13/wikileaks-conjures-litvinenkos-ghost-2/
Oh, my, my, my. Seems things just got a little bit more complicated in the narrative department. Seems releasing the diplomatic cables is having some..interesting effects.
P.S. I supported both wars and I still vote for our troops, and as soon as the earlier leaks of mil intel lead to an American death, I’ll be calling for Manning’s head.
Brad,
“P.S. I support both wars and I still vote for our troops…”
But why? If our government is, as you seem to think, so tainted as to be the face of evil in our time and is for that reason so deserving of destruction and dissolution that it should not even be allowed to keep the most innocent of its diplomatic secrets then why would you support its wars and its warriors who must, by extension, be thuggish, evil and inhuman. If you truly believe that is the situation then you yourself must equally vile to support it.
Cultures, civilizations and governments are always in tension and in competition. They will always have secrets and will always seek to protect theirs and learn their competitor’s. That is not unique to the United States and is a state of human existence. To advocate unilateral exposure of one party’s secrets is to advocate the ascendency of the others. By advocating exposure of US secrets, even though most of the GREAT and MOMENTOUS wikileaks revelations seem to be rather petty and mundane, destroys the trust of our allies, and drives friendly informants underground thereby stripping our nation of one of its layers of defense.
You claim to be a patriot, but you appear gleeful that our secrets are not safe. I can’t square that circle. I have sons whose safety depends on the integrity of our secrets and their sources. Anyone who compromises that or even encourages it is my deadly enemy. A patriot works to clean house internally, a seditionist would be happy to see the nation destroyed if it validated his particular point of view. So which are you? Put up or shut up.
Oh yeah, and I’m glad Assange made bail too. I hope he jumps and Fat B@st@rd forfeits. Too bad it wasn’t more.
Wm Lawrence:
I don’t know if I recognize you as a Patriot, anymore than you recognize me.
My loyalty is to the Constitution, which is *theoretically* where the government’s is supposed to be. I’m going to assume you agree with me that for the most part, the government over the past, say 40 years whether Dem or Repub has treated whatever parts of the Constitution that get in its way as so much toilet tissue.
In any case, I was fooled into supporting Iraq. I wasn’t fooled into supporting Afghanistan, though God only knows why we haven’t had a decent ending strategy there in all this time. Regardless, the troops on the ground in those places have behaved themselves for the most part and served our country well even if I suspect what they are *actually* fighting for as compared to what they were *told* they were fighting for are different. About the only thing the military cables have revealed that we had a right to know is that we’ve *for the most part accidentally* killed more civies than the govt let on, and that US commanders have at some times “looked the other way” so to speak as Iraqis used their own brand of interrogation on some of our prisoners. Still, one could easily have determined both things simply by common sense and without seeing cables at all, and the amount of civie deaths while still much more than our govt wanted us to believe still pales in comparison to some of the values the more dishonest anti-war types claimed. So, I’m not convinced the war cables had to be released and while wikileaks did some redacting, if one soldier dies due to Manning, I’d join the firing squad myself.
Now as for the diplomatic cables? Well, we all have a right to know whats being done in our name and frankly the crap we did with the Germans and the Spanish sickens me and I hope sickens any decent American. Military intelligence about current wars I can see having absolute protection unless it involves a coverup of a war crime and any innocent names are redacted, but diplomatic stuff? Financial stuff? Are you kidding me? If I find a Federal official violating an international treaty or the Constitution I’d squeal in a minute and feel no shame.
Anyway that’s right: I’m not worried about America’s “place in the world” or how embarrassing it is. Instead I’m worrying about a government that hasn’t really followed the constitution for 40 years at least, if not considerably longer, has two corrupt party organs, where arguably 3 of the past 4 Presidents should have been impeached or tried for treason on one ground or another, and where hypocrisy reigns supreme. Considering all the people he’s pissed off around the world, Julian Assange, I must say has some real balls.
What I’m trying to say about Afghanistan, to clarify, is that I still support it , and unlike Iraq I do not feel lied to or mislead. And as I said before that has nothing to do with our troops. Indeed, seeing some of the crap both Bush and Obamas pulled with supplying them with equipment they need makes me very angry. And while I may disagree with the Iraq war, that doesn’t make the war criminal per-se.
Oh, and most I say I regret the congress never passed a war resolution? Our troops may be very much at war across the sea, but at home the war on terrorism seems like nothing but a massive fraud and an end-run around the constitution. I’d rather lose a few hundred or even a few thousand a year to terrorism than give up our liberties for imaginary safety.