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  1. Exceptions recognized for those who work in the “process industries” (oil, chemicals, beer)”
    Especially beer. I Like beer a lot. Beer is the foundation of civilization. Early agriculture had a great deal to do with having the means and materials to brew.

  2. Goesh…parse as follows: “people who *frequently* use the word process are very often idiots”..would have been a better sentence.

  3. I’m still trying to process the information. It’s a time-consuming process.

    But seriously, I think a strategic nuclear “accident” in Iran might solve a lot of problems.
    (Now, have at it…)

  4. Well, process is important, but too many confuse process with results. It’s a mistake to do that.

    And in this specific case, attempting to initiate a “process” is little more than a delaying tactic. Yes, I know, it’s so totally obvious, but some people (not here, thank goodness) refuse to see that, so blunt statement is necessary.

  5. I tried to process David’s post but with little success. The use of ” a lot” in his comment really threw me for a loop.

  6. “People who use the word “process” a lot are very often idiots”, sign posting to guide the shallow mind that refuses or is incapable of critical thought. Ohhh which way do I go, which way do I go… LOL

  7. People who use the word “process” a lot are very often idiots. Exceptions recognized for those who work in the “process industries” (oil, chemicals, beer) and certain other cases, but 90% of the time it’s a good giveaway…

  8. Either Iran gets nuke weapons, or the US stops them.

    I want the US to stop them.

    The US should be preparing for invasion as soon as it’s “clear” that they’ve violated the Nuke Non-Proliferation Treaty, signed by Iran (as Israel has never signed).

    Countries that violate treaties they’ve signed do NOT deserve the “national sovereignty” respect and consideration of normal, treaty-abiding countries.

    Bush and Rice should be going thru the UN motions, but knowing the Iranians are just posturing for time, time to send Tel Aviv a little mushroom welcome.

    On the other hand, getting Iraq more sorted out will also take time. From that POV more time is better. Plus there are elections coming, what will the Dems say to question:
    “Do you support letting Iran have nuclear weapons?”

  9. “For example, he might have asked: What if by refusing to kill some of them today we are forced to kill many more tomorrow?”

    Too many people focus on feelings in the eternal present, as if action (or inaction!) never has concrete consequences.

    For example, when Natan Sharansky met with Carter during a visit to Israel, Sharansky stressed that Israel must link concessions to the future development of liberal democracy among its neighbors. Carter responded, “You know, you are right, but don’t try to be too rational about these things. The moment you see people suffering, you should feel solidarity with them and try to help without thinking too much about the reasons.”

    When this happens, human sympathy and a deep desire for peace turn into deadly weapons of tyranny.

  10. I always asked the same question for eight years: ‘Can we kill ’em tomorrow?’ If we can kill ’em tomorrow, then we’re not weak.”

    That’s classic Clinton. Worked with North Korea, worked with Osama, worked with Iran, and so on and so forth. Or rather, didn’t work.

    If you take the offensive with Iran in the psychological sphere, you wouldn’t get caught with your pants down on the defensive. And that’s just the thing, eventually Iran will do something that will succede, and the only way to prevent that is to attack them in a way they must respond to.

    Whether this includes demonstration nuclear bombardment, threatened or actual unrestricted submarine warfare, or many other “strong arm” tactics is a matter of details not principle.

    The reason why you must take the propaganda and psychological offense is because the absolute limit on civilian casualties that your tactics will produce, is not actually based upon the numbers but rather how they are spread about in the international conscience. If you can have some double-blind procedure such as Oil for Food, then you can kill every single Iraqi baby and nobody will say a thing. You can rape the entire continent of Africa, with peacekeepers, and it is covered cause it is the UN business and it is official.

    The only question is, are you going to have to deal with the enemy’s tactics, or is the enemy going to have to deal with yours. How would Iran respond to unrestricted submarine warfare destroying their oil infrastructure from the outside in? How would Iran respond to nuclear detonations across their border targeted in the middle of no where or near Tehran? How would Iran respond if the US threatened to give the Kurds nuclear weapons and delivery methods?

    So why can the UN and Saddam and France screw the whole world over, and make money off the dieing of babies, while the US can’t step one figurative foot in a foreign country without being shamed into retreat? Syria, Russia, China, and Iran does it all the time, why do they get away with it when America’s power is more than theirs combined? It takes more power to power a defensive strategy net than it takes to power an offensive one.

    I suppose the UN wants it more, their ilk believe it is justified, and Bush probably doesn’t think demonstration nuclear strikes are justified.

    The specific tactics don’t matter so much as the approach. It really doesn’t matter whether you use nuclear weapons, submarines, air craft carriers, air strikes, or naval carriers to carry out your gunboat diplomacy. But you have to carry out gunboat diplomacy, using it as basic template. This applies to Russia and China as well. Presumably they don’t want the US Navy to blow up the Middle East Oil containers and produce another Oil Spill environmental problem. This allows you to use China’s energy dependence as an advantage, and not allow Iran to use China’s energy dependence as a way to ensure a veto in favor of Iran.

    Most nations have to contend with this basic fact in diplomacy and gun boat diplomacy. Basically, small and weak nations have to worry about who they wil piss off, and what those people might do to them in the future. They don’t want to start up any new wars they can’t handle, for example, given their limited small nation resources. The United States does not have a resource, military, monetary, limitation however. Therefore where most nations are forced to do things in certain ways because it is safe but also inefficient, the US does things inefficiently because it is neither safe nor beneficial, simply because there’s no “need” to do much of anything if you’re the top dog. Just cooling in the shade, it is rather not a good idea.

    If everyone in the US acted like the bunny ahead of the turtle, and decided to take a nap, the US wouldn’t be a superpower. But the fact is, the only people who are spoiled by US power is the politicians (and Hollywood). The military, and those who produce American power, are working their butts off making the US military better and more efficient. This allows the politicians to carry on as if they are invincible. Invincible people tend to start favoring wack out philosophies(hollywood, judges, academia), and something called decadence tends to creep in.

    You see it with the republicans in power. you see it even with Bush, when he busted Afghanistan without international support (NO UN) and then for some reason went to the UN for Iraq.

    Bush has 2 years left to intimidate Iran, and push Iran to their limits until they either back off or they get destroyed. There really is no other choice. Either Iran backs off or someone gets destroyed. If the US backs off, then someone else will get destroyed. Marine barracks bombing time, again.

    Look, Bush has all the propaganda he needs to support whatever jingoistic strategies I would recommend to him. He has what, 400 hundred something days of Iranian hostage situation? He has what, Marine barracks explosions? What more do you need to stoke up public sentiment? Freaking Saddam had jack, and the support for ousting him was 68% in 2003.

    Get people angry enough, and it don’t really matter who complains about American high handedness. Diplomatic tricks work up until the point when someone has their eye gauged out.

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