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  1. Clearly the national party is panicking and quite effectively circling their wagons….around a decrepit, half senile old fart because…anything to stop a decrepit, half senile old communist.

    Ladies and gentlemen: I give you the Democrat Party. The party of youth! The party of women! The party of minorities! The party of outsiders! Their nomination for the highest office will likely come down to two elderly white men who have each been running for office for a half century.

  2. I can’t wait until the old senile commie loses at the convention again and his fellow travellers burn the joint to the ground like they have promised.

    I’d much rather the final race be President Trump vs Comrade Sanders, but vs Gropey Joe with a side order of Dementia will do.

    But…since these also-rans are bailing like good little lemmings in the hopes of a cabinet post…and there will be more by Super-Tuesday…Who’s the VP choice? Someone from the pack like Fauxcohontas or mini mike? HRC? Mrs 0 the evil lunch lady so they can put the band back together?

  3. I’m no fan of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, or even Ted Cruz but those guys look like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Rossevelt compared to the non-Bernie options this time around.

    Mike

  4. I think I saw a poll showing Klobuchar might not even carry Minnesota. Bernie is running strong there. She may have dropped out to avoid the humiliation.

  5. sdferr…that’s precisely the point.
    If she’s a candidate, she’s off limits just like Gropey Joe and his crackhead son…Didn’t you read the articles of shampeachment?
    😉

  6. Both Buttigieg’s and Klobuchar’s late withdrawals make another showing why early voting should be outlawed. It’s just plain dumb.

  7. What a choice: an old commie versus a senile pol versus a nanny state billionaire.

  8. sdferr on March 2, 2020 at 4:39 pm said:
    Both Buttigieg’s and Klobuchar’s late withdrawals make another showing why early voting should be outlawed. It’s just plain dumb.
    * * *
    Not disagreeing with you, but in this case it means any support for the now-leading candidates is watered down, since it wasn’t firs-choice, second-choice balloting (which is why the Democrats DO want to go to that system; it makes it a lot easier to know what ballot-boxes to stuff & whose car to find ballots in later).

    Here’s some speculation on both the drop-outs.
    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/02/breaking-amy-klobuchar-is-out-puts-out-her-endorsement/

    It’s intriguing that both are dropping just before Super Tuesday, rather than waiting until after. It sounds like whatever is being offered behind the scenes must be a pretty good offer if they aren’t even willing to go one more day to see what they can do. It also means someone thinks it’s going to be a tight fight and they’re doing all they can do at this point to try to maximize it for Biden.

    But in some sense, she may have just helped Sanders in Minnesota. That was the one state that she was predicted to have an impact on, she and Bernie were battling it out there. Now that may throw more votes to Sanders.

    I guess we’ll know tomorrow if a failed candidate’s endorsement has any effects.

  9. streiff puts the situation better than I can, or at least at more length (he could hardly do it shorter!)

    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/03/02/bernie-sanders-is-a-threat-to-democrats-incorporated-and-thats-why-hell-not-be-allowed-to-have-the-nomination/

    Sanders is right. Both major parties are infused with all manner of grifters and rent-seekers who don’t believe in much beyond their next paycheck and who hold their party’s base voters in utter contempt. If you ever look at the ranks of NeverTrump, keep in mind that they all had nice, safe sinecures within the GOP before Trump, now they are on the outside and that is what has them angry, not Trump. …
    What is at stake for the Democrat party in 2020 is more sacred than merely winning the Presidency. What is at stake is control of the power, the money, and the patronage that comes with being the nominee and, if successful, the president. Even if Sanders loses in November, he would still have control of the party for at least four months if not four years. It would be his people who take over key positions in the DNC. He, like Hillary Clinton, would be the face of the Democrat party until 2024 (assuming the actuarial tables don’t decide otherwise).

    That is why, unless Sanders arrives in Milwaukee with enough pledged delegates to win on the first ballot, there is no way the Democrats will ever let him have the nomination.

    To me, the most interesting similarity about Trump and Sanders is not particularly their outsider (threat) status — although that is very important; it is the correspondence in their spoken priorities, and yet the completely opposite means they would take in policies to reach those goals.

    SANDERS: That’s absolutely untrue.

    You know, the corporate wing of the Democratic Party, a group called Third Way, attacked me and they said we are existential — I’m an existential threat to the Democratic Party. And what I said is, yes, I’m an existential threat to the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.

    For too long, the Democratic Party and leaders have been going to rich people’s homes, raising money, and they’ve ignored the working class and the middle class and low-income people in this country. That has got to change.

    We got to open the doors of the Democratic Party to millions and millions of people who are trying to get by on 12, 13 bucks an hour, who can’t afford health care, can’t afford child care, who can’t afford to send their kids to college. Those are the people we have to start paying attention to.

    All of this is totally true, and yet the socialist agenda Sanders would impose will result in NONE of the problems of the poor being solved.

    The door of the Democrat party has always been open to the poor, and they have thronged inside the beautiful building of the establishment, and then been thrown out the back door into the mire — over, and over, and over again.

    Conservatives finally got tired of getting that treatment from the GOP, and their President Trump has made significant advances (sorry, Manju, but you know that’s true).
    Progressives think Bernie will be their champion.
    They don’t know much about history, or economics; and what they do know ain’t so.

  10. Now, Biden can’t remember the Preamble to the Constitution.

    Quote, “We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the go, you know, the thing…”

    See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/joe-biden-jumbles-preamble-of-declaration-of-independence-all-men-and-women-created-by-go-you-know-the-thing-video/

    I’m waiting for Biden to visit some voters in a restaurant, grab a diner’s plate, and start shoving spaghetti up his nose.

    The guys just not all there, and getting worse by the day.

  11. This is kind of an election thread, so I think it’s important to put this out, because I strongly disagree with Ms. Davis on one point of her otherwise estimable article:

    https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/03/02/791997/

    The California electorate is extremely tolerant of Sacramento’s nonsense (which should be obvious). We live in a gorgeous state, one of the most beautiful in the union if you ask me. People will put up with a lot just for the honor of calling this home. And to be fair, most of the people who vote for what ails us aren’t being stupid or evil, they just genuinely believe these laws are helpful. They care, they just don’t necessarily understand all the “unintended consequences” of the “help” they’re voting for. They do not deserve your scorn for that.

    Yes, Kira, they do.
    All of the “help” they (not you; we understand that) have voted for over the decades of California’s decline have come with “unintended” but NOT unforeseen consequences.
    People were warned, and warned, and warned again, about the likely results of the bills put forward by their allegedly “well-meaning” progressive legislators and governors.
    And city councils and mayors. And school boards. And dog catchers, for all we know.
    They voted for the same people, or at least the same party, anyway.
    When the results came in negative, just as predicted, they continued to vote for the same people and the same party.

    There’s an old saying about the road to hell being paved with good intentions.
    There’s a reason that old saying is still known after thousands of years: it didn’t get repealed just because people love California, but can’t be bothered to actually look at facts before they vote.

    Scorn is the least of what they deserve.

    If the AB5 debacle finally wakes some of them up, then more power to you and others in getting California turned around.
    But the odds are good that, even if AB5 is repealed, and even if the actual legislators that passed it are thrown out, they will go right back to voting for the same Democrat party as before, having learned nothing about the reason why they got AB5 in the first place.

    There’s another old proverb about that kind of blindness:
    You cannot pick up one end of the stick without getting the other one as well.

  12. Kira suggested that Trump could make real inroads in California because of the anger at both the law and the party’s response to complaints, and she may be right — I hope she is — but she still agrees with me that the voters won’t make a lasting change in their habits.

    Do they want to vote for the California GOP? No. Do they want to vote for Trump? No. That being said, more than anything they want to be heard and since the California Democrats are willfully ignoring their voices, many feel a GOP vote will be the only way to make an impact. They’ll go back to voting for the party they love and are loyal to, but they’re for sure not going back to it if they don’t have jobs or are forced to move out of state because of AB5.

    The best we can hope for is that some of those leaving the state do actually learn something, and don’t poison the new states they are moving to.

  13. Biden does appear to be getting worse. What if he gains the nomination and then 6 weeks later is unable to continue? What do the democrats do then? Imagine the chaos that will ensue.

    On the other hand, Sanders has now publicly embraced the elimination of imprisonment… everybody deserves a second chance, right? Imprisoning murderers doesn’t bring back the victim, right?

    Senile, dirty old man and serial liar VS lifelong committed communist and apologist for brutal, murderous dictators. Who now supports letting every imprisoned rapist and serial killer go free.

    Hell, faced with that choice… Biden is the lesser evil.

  14. The establishment that talked Biden into running, and Klobuchar & Buttigieg into folding to support him, may wonder if they are backing the wrong horse.
    Which we could have told them in the beginning.

    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/02/biden-starts-quoting-the-declaration-of-independence-but-it-goes-all-kinds-of-wrong/

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men and women created by the go you know the, you know the thing.”

    Yikes. How do you forget the Declaration of Independence and more specifically the basic concept that all men are created equal?

    And all women – they fixed that later in the Constitution – but I digress
    He also forgot that the Super Primary happens tomorrow.

    Joe Biden just told a crowd that tomorrow is Super Thursday. [crowd erupts in laughter]

    But this is the guy they’ve placed their hopes on, not only to beat Bernie but to try to beat Trump.

  15. BTW, the Democrats (at least the loud ones) seem determined to move more black believers into the Republican column in 2020, so maybe its’ a good thing Joe got all those votes last week.

    https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2020/03/02/white-house-prayer-trump-pence-coronavirus-criticism/

    Last week was a week of prayer at the White House. Both the President and VP Mike Pence participated in communion with a Higher Power, and some folks in the media don’t seem to be fans.

    On February 27th, Trump hosted the Black History Month roundtable discussion, amid which former NFL player Jack Brewer — as covered by RedState’s Nick Arama — called the Commander-in-Chief “the first black president.”

    But what’s more is that the group held prayer.

    The Vice President was soon bowing his head, too, with his coronavirus team.

    Of course, for people of faith, the employment of prayer is part of seeking guidance. But it’s by no means a substitute for using the brain God gave you, and the team assembled to address the virus are obviously there to arrive at solutions based on all available information.

    But not everyone believes that.

    Said group would apparently include a New York Times Magazine contributor, who concluded that America’s “screwed”:

    More leftist responses follow.
    If there are any conservative, or even liberal, religious black voters who had not yet learned that the Democrat party hates them, they might be finding that out now.

    PS I understand Mr. Brewer’s sentiment, but we really need to quit this sort of symbolism. Bill Clinton was not the first black president and neither is Donald Trump. Sadly, for everyone, Barack Obama was.

  16. While I’ll agree that Bernie, Biden and Bloomberg are old, odd and possibly ‘senile’ let’s not forget that Trump falls right into that category as well. The ‘best and brightest that America has to offer?’ Nope.

  17. The Glen Greenwald article that T links to is somewhat accurate but notably incomplete, in that it leaves out the most compelling reason why the democrat’s establishment leadership abhors the prospect of Sanders as the nominee.

    Reverse coattails. The democrat’s establishment leadership realize that Sanders as the nominee won’t just lose, there’s a great risk that he’ll create a disaster downstream with the loss of the House and a real reduction in democrat Senate seats.

    As currently composed, the democrats can continue to rein in Trump. But if they lose the House and republican hold on the Senate significantly strengthens, the damage Trump will do to them in a second term is potentially too high to calculate.

    Greenwald points out the damage the 1968 brokered convention did to them but ignores the restoration that Nixon brought to a limited attention public.

    But most of all, the democrat’s establishment leadership may well be calculating that the damage stealing the nomination from Sanders will do to the democrat party will, in the long run be less than the damage resulting to the party by supporting Sanders. A lifelong communist with economy wrecking proposals, a serial apologist for murderous dictators and supporter of ending the imprisonment of rapists, murderers and serial killers.

    The difficulty for democrats is that a Sanders nomination attaches Sanders’ positions to the party and every congressional candidate will be tainted with that brush.

  18. Montage, within the last fifty years, name a democrat who has accomplished as much for their side as Trump has for our side.

  19. Greenwald points out the damage the 1968 brokered convention did to them but ignores the restoration that Nixon brought to a limited attention public.

    Hubert Humphrey won the nomination on the 1st ballot. He won more than twice as many votes as did Eugene McCarthy and more than 7x as many as did George McGovern. What ‘brokered convention’?

  20. Maybe it’s best to leave Montage and his ilk to their illusions? Trump doesn’t seem to be the sort who flags his actual devices for his enemies and adversaries to read. Teasing them, sure, but revealing his inner most self, plans, etc. isn’t his thing. No, the show’s the thing. Until it isn’t. And then, for the adversary, it’s too late.

  21. Another crack in the Democrats’ plantation wall.

    https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/03/02/interview-scaring-anti-gun-leftists/

    Maj Toure of Black Guns Matter brought the house down during his speech at CPAC, and joined me shortly afterwards for a wide-ranging discussion on gun rights, big city violence, and how “solutionaries” like Maj are helping to educate and invigorate people on the issue throughout the country.

    It struck me as Maj and I were talking that gun control activists really don’t want to see guys like us talking together, getting along and fighting for each other, not with each other. I’m a white dude in his 40s who lives in rural America. Maj is a black dude from north Philly. According to the conventional wisdom, we’re supposed to be distrustful of each other at best, and many on the Left would love for us to be at each others’ throats.

    Instead, the Second Amendment movement is full of people like Maj and me; people who may not have a common background or many shared life experiences, but who are bound together because of our desire to see every American have the opportunity to embrace and exercise their right to keep and bear arms.

    One of the things that Maj and I discussed is the fact that many Democrats are bashing Michael Bloomberg for his stop-and-frisk policies, but are still embracing the gun control laws that were enforced with that tactic.

    “You can’t separate and isolate that from the guys that had a gun because they live in a rough neighborhood,” said Maj. “Those guys that are willing to pretend that these things aren’t part and parcel of the same issue have to take a serious look at themselves and their own contradictions, because that’s what it is.”

  22. }}} They will not support the flawed Sanders; it he wins the nomination, it will be against their wishes and efforts.

    The DNC probably does not want Bernie because he has no chance whatsoever against Trump (not that the others are all that much better).

    And the DNC has already shown itself willing to ignore the primary results to push the backroom-deal candidate… and won in court over their right to do so.

    DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms
    https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

    The court acked their corporate bylaws allow them to ignore the primary results.

    Yes, the Democratic Party is not actually a democracy.

  23. Montage:

    Somehow the Democrats couldn’t find anyone younger than 65 to make it to the final round of our jeopardy (it’s is an existential thing with Bernie and Joe, Nanny Bloomberg maybe not so much). So don’t talk about the young sharp leaders that you don’t have. Oh, I forgot the “Gang” green in the house, they’re existential threats too.

  24. Geoffrey Britain,
    Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

    Anyway, accomplishments? ‘Changes’ yes but time will tell if they are accomplishments. Here’s some: Changing the judiciary. This is simply his job. It’s moving to the right as expected. Changing the tax code remains to be seen if it’s anything other than a tax cuts for the very rich. The First Step Act isn’t bad. Old Republicans would have called it more criminals on the street but time will tell if it works. Ending the war in Afghanistan. This is a good one. But his stance on Iran and Syria is questionable. He has increased military spending but that’s not an accomplishment.

    He still hasn’t built the wall but his illegal immigration policy is definitely aggressive. That is an accomplishment – granted one that is not something all Americans will agree on.

    The economy is very good but the GDP Growth Rate Is only 0.3% greater than Obama’s so far. And 1.3 million more jobs were created under Obama in his last three years than Trump’s first three. So it’s more like the economy is holding steady [if you believe a president’s actions have much to do with the economy. Some don’t]. I’ll give Trump credit for not sinking us into the mess we had under Bush. We do have a very large debt but Republicans suddenly don’t care about debts and Democrats do – always interesting to see that fiscal conservatism is nothing more than two words.

  25. What about Obama’s first (five) 5 years. Crickets. And Obama’s legacy, OopsieCare, which is up before the Supreme Court again. His other legacy to be, Nukes for Tehran? Kids in cages? Do tell us more of BHO’s “accomplishments.” Or just don’t.

  26. Oh I forgot that President Obama was hounded by the press, resisted by the bureaucracy, decried as a racist, and of course threatened with impeachment from his first day in office. It weighed down his first five years. So much to apologize for he had.

  27. T on March 2, 2020 at 5:35 pm said:
    Glen Greenwald makes an interesting comparison of the Democrats’ potential 2020 machinations with the 1968 election.
    * * *
    Greenwald says, and backs it up:

    Those are not the actions of a party that regards removing Trump from power as its overarching priority. Those are, instead, the actions of party establishment apparatchiks who far prefer to lose to Trump and endure four more years of his presidency than lose their monopoly over the apparatus of an out-of-power Democratic Party and all the consulting contracts, funding opportunities, and lobbyist openings that go along with it.

    And that’s the reason why the destruction of the Democratic Party establishment remains, for so many, such an overarching political priority. It’s hard to see how any meaningful political progress is possible without first removing that rot.

    I noted on another thread that the Democrat leadership is a criminal racket masquerading as a political party. We’ll have to see if Sanders & his Bros can prevail where McCarthy’s did not in 1968.

    And is there anything that Tom Lehrer hasn’t written a song for?

    Whatever became of Hubert?
    Has anyone heard a thing?
    Once he shone on his own,
    Now he sits home alone
    And waits for the phone to ring.

    Does Lyndon, recalling when he was VP,
    Say “I’ll do unto you like they did unto me”?
    Do you dream about staging a coup?
    Hubert what happened to you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUnHZAUR6hE

    Humphrey was Johnson’s VP at the time, which may be why he was so intent on being next in line, but he has been even more forgotten today.

  28. AesopFan quoting Greenwald: “lose their monopoly over the apparatus of an out-of-power Democratic Party and all the consulting contracts, funding opportunities, and lobbyist openings that go along with it”

    I don’t see it mentioned much but it’s actually pretty hard to make money as a Dem I think. It’s hard to get campaign donations because you favor Drag Queen Story Hour at the local library. So … how do you get money? How do you get donations?
    Well, you get a job at a non-profit. You get a job in state, local or federal gov’t. You force workers to contribute to you by controlling unions. You use gov’t power to force corporations to “donate” to community groups. You use gov’t funding for Planned Parenthood, which is then funneled back to the Party. Graft and corruption in gov’t projects of course. “Make-work” jobs like voter registration where unemployed Dems are paid per registration and wind up registering cartoon characters cause no one’s checking on them.
    And so on and so forth.
    Because so many of the issues are toxic to normal people.

  29. Art Deco,

    “Hubert Humphrey won the nomination on the 1st ballot. He won more than twice as many votes as did Eugene McCarthy and more than 7x as many as did George McGovern. What ‘brokered convention’?”

    Greenwald’s article gives an entirely different impression. Greenwald maintains that Humphrey’s winning the nomination on the 1st ballot was the result of back-room political maneuvering.

    In 1968, I was 20 yrs old and had only a cursory interest in politics. So I didn’t pay much attention to that convention, but I remember that, even as a disinterested observer I had a strong impression of considerable resistance to Humphrey, as he’d supported Johnson. That despite my impression that Humphrey was basically a nice guy. I also remember being a bit disappointed that Humphrey was the nominee, as it promised more of Johnson. Yet, I wasn’t enamored with either McCarthy, McGovern or Nixon.

  30. Greenwald maintains that Humphrey’s winning the nomination on the 1st ballot was the result of back-room political maneuvering.

    Well, he’s wrong. At the time, most delegates to the convention were slated by esoteric means. About 1/3 were chosen during 1967. About 15 states held primary elections, and in some of them the primary was a ‘beauty contest’ detatched from the process of delegate selection and in at least two, there was only one slate entered (Indubitably, there were some competitive caucuses). With some exceptions, the body of delegates consisted of platoons loyal to local Democratic sachems. Whether it was Johnson, Humphrey, McCarthy, Kennedy, or McGovern, any aspirant would have had to win these people over. As it was, the overwhelming majority favored Hubert Humphrey.

  31. The important question about Amy and Pete dropping out is — did Mini-Mike cut them checks or use wire transfer?

  32. “Senile, dirty old man and serial liar VS lifelong committed communist and apologist for brutal, murderous dictators. Who now supports letting every imprisoned rapist and serial killer go free.
    Hell, faced with that choice… Biden is the lesser evil.” – GB

    Faced with those choices, Hillary still might be the lesser danger — though never the lesser evil.
    On the other hand, every time Bernie moves the Overton Window, the Democrats all think they have to jump through it.

  33. The main reason ’68 Humphrey lost was because of the ’64 Civil Rights Act and the resultant racist Dems of the South leaving to vote for ex-Dem racist George Wallace. The last 3rd party candidate who got multiple state electoral college votes (46) and won some ex-Dem Southern states. (American Independent Party).

    The ’68 Dem convention was, literally, a riot. In Chicago. After RF Kennedy and ML King had been assassinated.

    The establishment Dems are desperate to stop Sanders to avoid losing too much in the House. But I don’t think their old white men with non-enthusiastic establishment support can match the clueless SJ Fanatic true believers who “believe” in Sanders and stupid socialism. Helped a LOT by their college indoctrination centers, which have often proven to be less a ticket to cushy upper class life than “promised”.

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