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  1. This is my BIGGEST fear.

    HRC indicted and then pardoned. Biden comes in at the last minute. Sympathy factor and MSM bandwagon and he wins.

    Sorry his son died, but it happens. Not relevant.

  2. “[I’ll] never understand why Elizabeth Warren didn’t run…”
    I’m convinced it’s the Clintons. They cleared the way for Hillary early by both bribes and threats, and the thing is, everyone in the party knows how truly vicious she is. There’s no doubt at all that she would enact those threats if challenged.

    On top of that, it’s also unlikely for the same party to win again after two terms in office. Other candidates know that if someone’s going to fail, let it be Hillary who takes the fall.

    Finally, I’m thinking that this panic to find a replacement for Hillary is not just because Bernie would lose in a general election, but because some Democrats worry he might win. Wall Street does not want to deal with a socialist who can’t be bought off, and if there’s one thing Bernie projects, it’s authenticity.

  3. Cornhead:

    Well, Hillary may drop out for health reasons (although I don’t think she will), but I still am about 90% sure she will not be indicted.

    However, I understand your fear. I think it’s highly possible a Democrat could win this election, whoever it may be, and however it happens.

    My leading theory, though, is that somehow the Republicans will shoot themselves in the foot.

  4. The “shoot themselves in the foot” scenario I worry about is a brokered convention. If none of the top 3 have a majority and Trump isn’t leading, I think he’ll start horsetrading. I don’t think he’ll go 3rd party because that’s a quixotic move that would eliminate his negotiating position.
    He’ll sell his support. If it’s to Rubio, I think Trump can drag enough supporters along to make it work. That’s a possibility because of the establishment’s deep pockets.

    If that happens, with the obvious stench of backroom dealing to get Trump’s delegates going to the amnesty poster-boy, I think GOP turnout in the general will collapse.

    If Trump leads, he would demand one of the other capitulate. Again, if Rubio makes him some kind of deal, it might be a Trump/Rubio ticket.

  5. Neo

    I don’t buy a health excuse and a dropout. It would be an excuse for bad poll results and the Clintons never quit.

    Given the gravity and number of her crimes, she must have a pardon. President Cruz will allow AG Christie to prosecute.

  6. Cornhead:

    I don’t think it will happen. I’ve consistently said Clinton will be the nominee, IMHO.

    But what I’m saying in my previous comment is that a dropout is more likely than an indictment, but neither is likely. However, a dropout would not be voluntary. It would be as a result of great pressure from others (for example, threat of revelation or accusation of something very bad, much worse than anything revealed so far).

  7. If Hillary is elected, it ends all pretense regarding the rule of law and that, will ultimately lead to civil war.

    Sanders is just not electable.

    The GOP may, unintentionally (Rubio) or intentionally (Cruz) engineer its own collapse in voter turnout.

    Obama wants Hillary out of the race but his successor will need the votes of her supporters, thus the incremental leaks, a “death by a thousand cuts” email revelations. Much of the mass media is cooperating with Obama’s strategy.

    If Hillary drops out, it will either be to avoid a DOJ indictment or before indictment, to secure a secret, previously agreed to Presidential pardon.

    In such a case, despite their negatives, drafting a Biden/Warren ticket, becomes IMO, a certainty.

  8. I have consistently said I do not think hrc will be the nominee. Yesterday’s papers soiled by bribes, lies, hacked emails, a trail of women abused by slick willy, and the blood of 4 dead in Benghazi. Add in the bad blood between the clintonistas and the obama thugs, and the fat lady sings.

    Always remember bho operates by the chicago way.

  9. I think I was the first here to say that the Evil Empress would be forced out and Good Old Uncle Joe(TM0 will be the nominee. Cornhead is absolutely right — sympathy shouldn’t affect the vote, but it will. Cruz or Rubio might be good against Hillary — although I stand by my prediction that Cruz won’t — he can’t — get any moderate, independent, or Reagan Democrat votes, and Rubio just made an absolute fool of himself at the debate — he’s toast — but neither of them could beat Joe.

    I’ve been told by people with better political sense than I that a fat man can’t be elected president in the age of television. Bush and Kasich are just two whiney schlemiels. That leaves Fiorina and Carson and I don’t think either of them can get the nod, and the Donald. Much as I am appalled, he looks like the only way for us to win.

  10. Richard Saunders:

    Since indications are that Trump would get creamed in a general election against all the Democrat possibilities, and that Cruz has a chance of winning a general election against the members of that same group, I have no idea why you would say Trump is “the only way for us to win.” I am convinced he is not only the best and most certain way for us to lose, but the worst candidate of all those standing on that stage.

    I do not understand this strange persistence of the myth that Trump has the best chance, even from people who don’t like him. It is illogical. All polls indicate Cruz has a better chance. And he’s the better man by far. Trump’s unfavorables are sky high. He also consistently gets the highest “will not vote for” scores by far. And it’s not as though people are not familiar with him. They’re very familiar with him, and they’ve either liked or hated him for years.

  11. Neo _ why? Because I think Cruz is another Goldwater. A lot of non-conservative people will tell pollsters they like him, respect his integrity, his brains, and then the Dems will come up with another “Daisy” ad and they won’t vote for him. Do you see union people, Reagan Democrats. coming out for Cruz? Moderates? Independents? I haven’t seen any. but they show up at Trump rallies.

    That’s why.

  12. Richard Saunders:

    But that’s not what my question was.

    I understand that Cruz may lose, and isn’t a charismatic guy, and that his conservatism (or what most people have been told of his conservatism) may be too extreme for a lot of people. That’s why I’m torn between him and Rubio, among others.

    But my point—and I’ll repeat it—was that Trump is less electable, for completely different reasons:

    Since indications are that Trump would get creamed in a general election against all the Democrat possibilities, and that Cruz has a chance of winning a general election against the members of that same group, I have no idea why you would say Trump is “the only way for us to win.” I am convinced he is not only the best and most certain way for us to lose, but the worst candidate of all those standing on that stage.

    I do not understand this strange persistence of the myth that Trump has the best chance, even from people who don’t like him. It is illogical. All polls indicate Cruz has a better chance. And he’s the better man by far. Trump’s unfavorables are sky high. He also consistently gets the highest “will not vote for” scores by far. And it’s not as though people are not familiar with him. They’re very familiar with him, and they’ve either liked or hated him for years.

    That’s what I wrote in my earlier comment. I’ve written posts on the subject, too. I don’t know how to say it more simply and clearly and succinctly, but I’ll try: all signs point to the fact that Trump would have an even worse chance of being elected than Cruz would. So why do you ignore these facts? It’s been true for all the polls for months and months and months. Trump always does the worst in a general against ALL the Democratic contenders, and his unfavorables are stable and sky-high. What’s more, Cruz does better, and if you think polls are rigged or fixed in some way, why would they be rigged to uniformly and falsely favor Cruz, of all people?

  13. Richard Saunders:

    It’s one thing to ignore polls that say your guy is ahead, because you’re afraid of being disappointed. It’s even understandable to ignore polls that say your guy isn’t ahead, and to keep hoping.

    But—considering that you’re not a Trump supporter, at least that’s my understanding (I haven’t gone back and read everything you’ve written on him, so correct me if I’m wrong)—why would you ignore the polls that say that Trump is dead last in the general as compared to ALL the other GOP candidates, and why would you say instead that Trump’s the only hope of winning? That’s not just ignoring all the polls, it’s flipping them on their head to say the opposite of what you want. Why do that? There’s no logic whatsoever to it. Have the Trumpers brainwashed you by repeating it over and over? Seriously, I don’t understand.

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