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  2. I missed the totalitarian part, as well.

    Please tell me exactly where the spinach is stuck between my teeth. 🙂

  3. *sigh* that wasn’t remotely what I was talking about, but what do you care? You only hear what you want to hear, and everything else is simply wished away. The people who post at this blog are at least as dogmatic as the old Communist Party ever was.

  4. Self-defense=totalitarianism.
    Got it.

    The right of Israel to exist is a crime?

  5. While anonymous here seems to have a shaky grasp of details (and spelling), the responses he/she has been getting do betray a rather totalitarian mindset among Neo-neocon and her supporters.

  6. Al qur’an is clear about the Jews and you are right, Paul, it must gall the arabs to no end to have been repeatedly defeated by little Israel. With all their Soviet armament and superior numbers, they could not win, time and again. All those Soviet T-55 tanks that came at Israel weren’t made in Cairo or Damascus now were they? It draws a real smirk on my face when Jew haters harp and whine about US aid to Israel while like bigoted fools they refuse to acknowledge the military aid the old USSR provided to arabs. It galls the non-arab jew haters as well that such a tiny nation of Jews exists and prospers and cannot be defeated by arab forces. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. While the Israelis were putting a man in outer space, the arab neighbors were engaging in honor killings. That pretty much sums it up. Israel is the only real democracy in the ME and the only true friend the US has there.

  7. In all honesty, I sincerely doubt that there will ever be real peace between Arabs and Jews. A peace fence will not insure peace with so much hate in people’s hearts. And let’s face it the Arabs cannot face the fact that Israel exists-it hurts their pride to think that so few Jews could stand up to them for so long !

  8. Israel is under constant threat of terror, so to me the fence seems such a benign, simple & practical step to take, yet to listen to Amnesty International & read lefty organs like Guardian Unlimited one would think Israel was the devil incarnate for doing so. Israeli national security cant be dependent on whether every last person in Israel approves of each step taken because nothing would ever get done if it did.

  9. To CAROL HERMAN (aka anonymous) and all the other anonymous ones: there are three ways to post a comment. One is to register on blogger, another is to post as “anonymous,” and the third is to click on “other.” As “other,” you can simply fill in any name you choose. It’s quite simple and straightforward.

    See this for a tutorial, if needed.

  10. There’s no way TO post except to hit the anonymous button.

    Yes, the fence (not all of it cement), being built in Israel is a buffer against suicide infiltrators. However, Jews have lived among arabs for thousands of years. It’s never been pretty. But business could be accomplished. And, Avram Mitzna wasn’t the only Israeli believing, ultimately, after the Arafat’s leave the stage; that trade would make everything better.

    The Disengagement is a sign that Jews living among arabs didn’t change the situation much; once the Six Day War ended. The real failure of the settlements is that is very costly to every Israeli. It’s taxpayer’s money, ya know? Let alone the nightmare the IDF had to employ, just to bring a settler out of gaza to visit the dentist.

    Will things change in the Mideast? One of the best things Arik Sharon has done was to notice the MSM vendetta wasn’t just against him. And, the Laborite’s hold on government also diminished. From this experience, for the past two years, the Israeli Prime Minister has lessened the terror. It’s much safer in Tel Aviv, these days, than London, ya know? And, he’s also dimished the harms that were coming out of the leftist press, GLOBALLY. Israel really does want trading partners. And, that’s one of the reasons Europe’s in the equation, when the Prime Minister saw the opportunities available by disengaging from a radicalized group of arabs. What’s next? I dunno. But I don’t think the Jews will be jumping into the sea, anytime soon. CAROL HERMAN

  11. Thomas Friedman wrote an interesting editorial about the fence a couple of years ago, asserting that walls and fences can have a stabilizing effect– even the Berlin Wall. Considering the Berlin Wall stood for nearly 40 years and there wasn’t much of a war in central Europe for those 40 years, there might be something to be said for walls and fences.

  12. I have trouble seeing the big deal about the fence. It improves security and thereby increases peace and economic security. It’s a win-win

    Besides, the Israelis and Palestinians can always tear the thing down when the times have definatively changed.

  13. Neo,

    It’s a different anonymous. If you check comments on “more about that racist card” you’ll see that I have come out of anonymity. By the way, I really liked your post on Hiroshima.

  14. Abu Toameh, an Arab-Israeli journalist, said this about the fence (as reported in a Weekly Standard piece Good Fences Make Good Neighbors):

    “. . . the cause of the fence, Abu Toameh was sure, was not a desire on the part of Israeli majorities to rule over the Palestinians. If he were an Israeli Jew in these circumstances, he would favor a fence. Real responsibility for the construction of the fence, he is quite certain, lies with Yasser Arafat and the thoroughly cynical dictatorship he brought to the Palestinian people 10 years ago on the heels of the Oslo Accords.”

  15. Anonymous, I am always amazed that all the Israeli arabs remain. One would think they would flee the good health care, schools, infrastructure, jobs and laws of democracy the evil Jews have and rush enmasse to the refugee camps which have none of that, despite their many years of existence and all the cash given to the PLO over the years by rich arabs in other parts. What is holding them back, anonymous? Did you know that Saudi Arabia gave 50 million to arafat/fatah 3-4 years ago? How much of that went to the palestinian people do you suppose?
    And where do you come up with the notion that most cambodians supported pol pot? And most Americans supported segregation? I don’t think so. Quit invoking false collectives.

  16. *Cambodians

    Also, why do you think most Israelis support this wall? Because they think it will help them end the occupation. If the Palestinians can’t get in, there’s no reason to patrol their streets every day. that’s why Sharon opposed the fence for so long; it would’ve meant increased pressure to pull out from the West Bank.

    If the fence were honestly one for security, it wouldn’t snake around Palestinian communties and take all available land and resources. Attacks went down so dramatically after construction because a cease-fire was declared. As recent events prove, bombers can still get in and wreak havoc.

  17. Pardon me, I should’ve said ‘Israelis and Jews around the world’. Most supporters of israeli policies are not Jewish because Jews tend to have something of a conscious. It’s hard to know what to say when you claim that Israeli Arabs simply do not count, but polls taken within the last year put support for the Fence at 70%. Still a large majority, but not unanimous.

    Besides, even if a majority of people support something, does that make it right? Most Americans supported segregation; most Combodians supported Pol Pot at the beggining. Public opinion can be wrong.

    Your approach to this issue illustrates the problem with so much of modern debate; there’s no room for disagreement. It seems utterly impossible to you that anyone could look at the facts and honestly come to a different conclusion; they must all be evil anti-semites and suicide bombers.

    Grow up.

  18. Thanks, neo, for posting this.

    I love taking apart an argument “by the numbers”, to see whether the argument has any foundation in fact.

    And the numbers are pretty clear in this case, with the addendum about those who think that the wall doesn’t enclose enough territory.

  19. I try not to meddle in the internal affairs of an ally ( as if I could even if I wanted to). The poll numbers you cite seem to speak for themselves. God forbid if the arabs every truly got the upper hand over the Jews. There would be a holocaust like that of the nazis. Make no mistake of that. But, here I go, meddling. I can’t imagine any Israeli really thinking that hamas, hizbullah, etc will ever stop their murderous aggression. I have always been utterly amazed at the restraint IDF has shown over the years. When a homicide bomber would detonate in a bus or ice cream parlor, the practical thing would have been for IDF Air Force to drop a 2000 lb. bomb in an identical environment then paid a cash settlement to the family of the pilot, like saddam hussein did for the families of homicide bombers. So much for meddling. I probably won’t convert to Judaism and run for the office of PM. If I did, my campaign slogan would be, “treat animals like animals.”

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