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  1. The best way to expose “the big lie,” unfortunately, requires honesty and years to elapse. Still more unfortunately, to the programmed and propagandized persons, this subtle and demonic big lie is agreeable while those who oppose it are not.

    There is one ironic observation. When one says “Obama is no FDR” a new meaning has been introduced. Obama, the White-African-American, though, has a tool FDR did not.

  2. Sorry for the length of the quote.

    no problem… but now you see how hard it is to talk about anything from the past given our stunted abilities today…

    that is… talk about today, you have tiny sound bites… talk about yesterday, and you get long things…

    the speech given by Frederick Douglas explaining how the proportional weight that a slave had was NOT racist but the opposite, was 16 pages long

    when i was a young adult… 8th grade is what you wrote for to be understood… today, 5th grade is what you write to be understood…

    prior to my young adult days, higher was common… i had a college level reading ability when i was 7 or 8…

    (test topped out at 13th)

    its interesting to note that my boss, who is young, has problems understanding me… and she thinks its me… but she also has problems understanding the Phds and other older people who speak at a 8th grade plus level…

    i think she doesnt understand many of the words and will not ask or look them up, but rather gets indignant and wishes to punish me as if i am doing it purposefully and doing it to make her seem stupid… but i am a applications engineer in a high tech area writing for researchers in medicine… (she is a modern protected class promotion.. ie, we are to pretend that she is not what she is, because she has a pudenda)

    the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level of FDRs speech is 11.6

    think of that…
    that a man would have a fireside chat with the people of our nation, and could use 11th grade words and be understood..

    much like shakespears day..

    its very interesting to rewrite it to conform to 5th grade level… (the Constitution is also not low level!)

    what we have is something akin to you as an adult trying to get a 4th grader to understand tolstoy…

    and refusing to accept that they cant grasp it, and its not the person offerings fault, but the progressive liberal education they received, they get nasty…

    so what you have is a bunch of people teaming up under inability, ignorance, etc… and FORCING the smarter less brutal to comply with them..

    to think how far FDR would have gotten if his constituency was as illiterate/ignorant as today…

    to think that our nation cant turn back and get back, as we no longer have the older people who hav ethe history, the connections and we certainly dont have any respect for them.

    farenheit 451 was not precient…
    it was wrong in the idea that such books would be remembered…

    as the people who would listen to them be recited, would tear and murder the speaker, and marginalize and turn them in..

    just like they do today in other ways

  3. “Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power…. In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”
    – Thomas Jeffferson, 1799

    For however difficult eternal vigilance may be, siren alarms should go off in the midst of personality cults. What may be learned from FDR may be applied to BHO. None of this would be all that difficult if it weren’t that damned thing, human nature.

    Even at so late a time and so deep a hole I am heartened the question is asked — which is bigger, the President or the Constitution?

  4. Some pretty smart people have made the case that FDR’s central government policies extended the Great Depression. He was a dangerous man who almost destroyed America with his efforts to save it.

  5. All of FDR’s rhetoric boils down to the twin assertions that, “I care and therefore I’m in the right” and “the end justifies the means” couched within the premise that, the conservatives on the court are falsely interpreting the Constitution so as to frustrate the will of the people.

  6. When I was a kid, my brothers and I were walking with my mother and she pointed to some really pretty flowers. One of my brothers said, “I’ll pick them for you…” and she grabbed his arm and said, “No. That’s poison nightshade. You have to learn all you can, so that you can recognize danger that comes with a wonderful face.”

    I think about it every time I hear something like the FDR speech you quoted.

    Thanks, Neo. As usual, I’m going to send your post to friends.

  7. It is the American people themselves who expect the third horse to pull in unison with the other two.

    Not if the other two horses are pulling in the wrong direction. Checks and balances, Franklin, checks and balances.

  8. Nebbia v. New York

    As far as i am concerned Justice Owen J. Roberts was the point where the pin touches the pit of the ruby that made everything spin.

    I will have to assume that he had never read the Federalist Papers, and so is the one who twisted the general welfare clause.

    One can almost get a hint that for the healthcare they are deriving from Nebbia, and for the mortgage remedies Blaisdell…

    Their golden era came RIGHT after those two cases… they thought so much so that

    The Seventh Congress of the Comintern made the change in line official in 1935, when it declared the need for a popular front of all groups opposed to fascism. The CPUSA abandoned its opposition to the New Deal and provided many of the organizers for the Congress of Industrial Organizations.

    -Wiki

    from that point on… Quoting wiki:
    “While continuing to run its own candidates for office, the CPUSA pursued a policy of representing the Democratic Party as the lesser evil in elections.”

    also from wiki on this period:
    Intellectually, the Popular Front period saw the development of a strong communist influence in intellectual and artistic life. This was often through various organizations influenced or controlled by the Party or, as they were pejoratively known, “fronts.”

    Browder supported Stalins “Moscow trials” and the later greater purges among the people.

    Things changed once the war came and the people in the US realized what these things actually stood for.

    however we sit here and we read that fireside chat and we forget that FDR was one of the first to use cadres of others to make him more than what he was… (unlike the founding fathers)

    FDR’s Fireside Chats, by Buhite and Levy
    detail a list of ghost writers that helped FDR.

    Harry Hopkins,
    Hugh Johnson,
    Raymond Moley,
    Rexford Tugwell,
    Benjamin Cohen, Thomas Corcoran, Donald Richberg,
    Adolf Berle
    Archibald MacLeish
    Robert (Bob) Emmet Sherwood

    Which writer wrote the above fireside chat, i do not know… but i can tell you a bit about some of those authors.. ESPECIALLY Harry Hopkins…

    Today we now know more. From Venona and records, we know that “Source no. 19” was Harry Hopkins, and Zamestitel was Henry Wallace…

    [the message to KGB from] Iskhak Akhmerov. It states “19 reports that Kapitan [Roosevelt] and Kaban [Churchill], during conversations in the Country [USA], invited 19 to join them and Zamestitel.”

    In the 1960s, Akhmerov professed at a secret meeting of Soviet intelligence officers that Harry Hopkins was “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”

    now its interesting to note who he was married to… Akhmerov was married to Helen Lowry, the niece of Earl Browder mentioned above.

    Akmerov turned his work over to Katz, and Katz replaced Elizabeth Bently… who was the sexy spy of the time, now replaced by Anna Chapman in the publics mind…

    Hugh Johnson was sympathetic openly about Italian Fascism… (corporatism)…

    Raymond Moley was keen on the whole socialist cradle to grave state. Time reported that he required his students to read New Republic when most thought it was “Red”..

    Rexford Tugwell learned under communist Dewey… after the bombs dropped in japan, he became an avid totalitarian advocating that the only way to avoid war was government planning.

    Benjamin Cohen was with frankfurter and others who created the ACLU… (whose goal of socialism and communism is well known and lots of old quotes from then too as to such purposes)…

    it was those guys that started the defense of the communist radicals that were arrested during the Palmer Raids…

    the rest are just as interesting..

    but i will close with what the Palmer Raids were…

    The Palmer Raids were attempts by the United States Department of Justice to arrest and deport radical leftists, especially anarchists, from the United States. The raids and arrests occurred in November 1919 and January 1920 under the leadership of Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer.

    Though more than 500 foreign citizens were deported, including a number of prominent leftist leaders, Palmer’s efforts were largely frustrated by officials at the U.S. Department of Labor who had responsibility for deportations and who objected to Palmer’s methods.

    The Palmer Raids occurred in the larger context of the Red Scare, the term given to fear of and reaction against political radicals in the U.S. in the years immediately following World War I.

    and the red scare they are referring to is the FIRST red scare… bet you didnt know that we had several before now…

    In American history, the First Red Scare of 1919—1920 was marked by a widespread fear of Bolshevism and anarchism. Concerns over the effects of radical political agitation in American society and alleged spread in the American labor movement fueled the paranoia that defined the period.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare

  9. FDR was a half way decent CINC, otherwise his presidency was a disaster with reverberations we still suffer under today. Obama is a disaster as CINC and we will suffer the reverberations of his policies for many moons to come. IMO the presidents who have done the most damage to the republic are Lincoln, Teddy, Wilson, FDR, and BHO.

  10. Valerie Jarret eats turds. Wolfs them down whole. Then snarls while flecks of her ingested matter spatter on her victims.

    I just want to see if that will appear in italics.

  11. Oh dear Gawd, please help Mr. Parker who has parkt on the railroad tracks. Libertarians, we understan, do have this crazy thing bout President Lincoln cause he upended habeas corpus. No mattrah that President Lincoln , he thought no less than the future of our Republic were at stake. And at extreme times, the lung wound must await the heart wound. Help Mr. Parker understan that, dear Gawd, even ifen he donna believe in You wee know he’ll see You in the end.

  12. Ohhh, and mega cudo’s to Neo for pointing out that America has had a monster at the contols before.

    We can live. We can live. We can LIIIIIIIIIVAH!

  13. Curtis,

    Lincoln took the first steps in dismantling the Constitution and the very concept of the rule of law. (Note: slavery is evil.) Slavery, whether you or I these many years later approve or not, was legal, under the Constitution April 12, 1861. AND, nowhere is the Constitution does it state that the States, which are sovereign entities, are prohibited from withdrawing from the United States. (Presently, I would like to see Iowa, Nebraska, North & South Dakota, Kansas, and Wyoming break away from the corrupt, thieving crony nepotism of DC.)

    The correct means of ending slavery, which is an abomination, was by the rule of law, namely, amending the Constitution. DC is the despot it is today thanks to Lincoln, then Teddy, Wilson, and FDR. BHO is merely following in their footsteps.

  14. Another time, another place, dear Parker, and we will draw our swords on this one.

    But for now: I agree with you, FDR was one of the great baddies. And Wilson. Not so much the Bull.

    You left out Carter. It’s, I suppose, okay to leave out Clinton since he was smart enough to chase enough tail to be neutered. Meh. And Gingrich also neutered him in Congress. Meh.

    What the hell does “meh” mean?

  15. FDR was good………at propagandizing the people. My parents were apolitical but my grandparents – one was a farmer and the other a small business owner – detested the man. I grew up hearing about all the bad things Roosevelt was doing to the American people. Of course, during WWII the criticism was muted, and he died before the end. I do remember seeing my grandparents sitting by the radio and listening to FDR’s fireside chats. They meant little to me at the time. Reading the text of this one shows me how smooth he was. No wonder he became President for life.

    Someone who can take a slick, deceptive message to the people like that is very dangerous. Fortunately, we are a much more alert opposition whose voice is getting louder. Keep on exposing them, neo.

    Parker mentioned a list of the most damaging presidents. LBJ was omitted. I nominate him as one of the very worst. His “War on Poverty” was/is one of the most damaging things ever done in this country. Not to mention his micro-management of the Vietnam debacle. Attempting to use calibrated attacks to pressure the North Vietnamese into surrender was the height of bad judgment and, unfortunately, seems to have set a pattern for future military conflicts.

  16. Damn straight, JJ, and you are definitely right about LbJ too. One must include that SOB in the baddies. Unfortunately, old timer, your experience of being properly informed about FDR are very unique.

    I applaud and appreciate your efforts as efforts akin to those fighting WWII. Keep fighting. Let those efforts carry you to 101. Just to piss them off!

  17. Ohh, by the way, if you do live another 22 years, we might be able to preserve your consciousness in a jar of some kind.

    So there’s that to look forward too.

  18. Alright already, I’ll gladly add Jimmy the peanut & LBJ to my list. 😉 Jimmy was a minor league pitcher brought into game 7 in the 9th inning and walked home the winning run because his equivocating emboldened the jihad nuts. LBJ did much mischief (“Great Society”) and was a horrible CINC so he is even more deserving of a place on the list of worst presidents.

    Slick Willy OTOH was a buffoon and will go down in history for squirted semen stains (please excuse my crude reference) on a chubby intern’s dress and the definition of “is”. A mere footnote of a president was Willy.

  19. Well, Jimmy was a graduate of Rickover’s Nuclear Navy and that was no small achievement.

    But, that era is mostly over. The bulk of the Left’s peanuts are small and non-tasty and the Left no longer lures talent. That is why they settled for Obama and why he compares comparatively less than FDR.

    The power of genius and true achievement is a meta-stabilizing requirement built in to protect human society.

  20. Curtis said, “Let those efforts carry you to 101. Just to piss them off!”

    If the “death panels” get scrapped, maybe I’ve got a chance at another 22. ;>}

    “Ohh, by the way, if you do live another 22 years, we might be able to preserve your consciousness in a jar of some kind.” Yeah, neo’s archives will be the jar.

  21. Curtis, Thanks for the Nick Dip/Milller link. Belly laughs for sure. “ROE – Don’t fire until you smell the humus on their breath.” So true. It is to weep.

  22. OK, people. It’s time to move on. I was raised in the era of the so-called greatness of FDR, but that was a long time ago. FDR was a whimsical leader whose “ideas” were garbage. We know better now.

    We now understand that free enterprise, fair laws, equal opportunities, and respect for the Constitution are what make our nation great. The olden days are gone. This is 2012, and we’ve all learned a lot since the mid-20th century.

    Right now, we’re moving toward the same kind of gangster state that currently exists in Russia. It’s not about “communism and socialism;” it’s about fascism and a country run by criminals.

    FDR’s economic policies led to a dead-end road. It’s time to “reset” and promote the free enterprise system that we now know works better than any statist utopia envisioned by FDR, Mussolini, Juan Peron, etc.

    In this ranting post, let me once again put in a plug for Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” and Ann Coulter’s “Demonic.” Both these books have lots of info on the crazy ideas currently expounded by the Democrat party.

    Lucky for us, most of the people who thought FDR was some kind of saint are dying out rapidly.

  23. Sorry that I didn’t use the preview function. What I really meant to say is that we must promote “limited government.”

    I don’t personally need my federal, state, or local government to tell me how many calories should be in a Snickers bar.

  24. Great work Neo.

    I was first exposed to the fdr lie in the military.

    I can’t remember the guy but within a year I found talk radio in 1991.

    It is lie after lie as Geoffrey Britain says because the ends justify the means…

  25. Good Lord, Neo – insidious propaganda doesn’t begin to describe that “chat!”

    Thank you for posting it. I’m passing it on.

  26. Promethea,

    Liberal Fascism is a great read. In just a few hundred pages Goldberg covers a lot of territory and reveals the ‘progressives’ for what they are: fascists.

  27. A minor piece of historical linkage: LBJ first ran for Congress during the court-packing controversy. His main argument for election was voting for him would be a show of support for the FDR plan.

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