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  1. It would appear that a BLM activist (Cortez Rice) has been posting threats on Twitter about the possible consequences to the jurors should they return the “wrong” verdict. Despite the obvious fact that Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense (against violent and degenerate scoundrels) and despite the prosecution’s having, seemingly, already lost the case, the members of the jury must be feeling a great deal of trepidation about the possible ramifications (for themselves, for their families, and for the city) of coming to the only reasonable verdict in a trial which has been insanely racialized.

  2. More previously unreleased footage (in this case HD) of the Rittenhouse affair:
    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458128554026147849
    (I believe it shows the first shooting, which would have been Rosenbaum.)

    Apparently a cop testified that the thugs chasing Rittenhouse were NOT actually chasing him but “running along the same path”….

    Why he would have said this is anyone’s guess…since this footage shows otherwise. (Maybe he thought that there would be no proof that he was lying? But why would he lie in the first place? Can’t know for sure but a likely answer: intimidation…)

    + bonus (lest we forget):
    “Even if they fail to get Kyle Rittenhouse’s scalp, the trial is still fulfilling its purpose of distracting our attention from the fact that the Democratic Party, national media & corporate-funded activist groups incited and facilitated a violent attack on a US city.”
    https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1457862655922761728
    “More than half of the people arrested during the Kenosha riot were from out of town. Some, such as Riot Kitchen, were part of organized groups bussed in to provide material & logistical support for the riot. Riot Kitchen raised $57k on GoFundMe, incl $500 from GoFundMe itself.”
    https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1458137614012203012
    H/T Ron Coleman twitter feed (all three links)

  3. For me the likely difference between Sandman and Rittenhouse is that Sandman prevailed, was compensated, and has what looks to be a reasonably satisfying life and future. At least I hope so. As for Rittenhouse, I can’t bare to be optimistic for him. The evil of the Left is boundless now and I very much fear they will make a terrible example of him.

    Amazing to think of the time when Sandman came to national attention as a relatively innocent time compared to now.

  4. They’re kids and they’re being treated like monsters. It’s a modern-day witch burning. Young men in general must take note and adjust their behavior accordingly.

  5. Billy Budd took out Claggart.

    Rittenhouse did him two and a half times better.

    Two saints. Hopefully just one martyr.

  6. I read that someone was caught taking a video of the jurors as they arrived at the courthouse this morning. Apparently, the perp was identified and the judge required that the video be deleted, and is satisfied that it has been. We will see.

  7. “NOT actually chasing him but ‘running along the same path'”
    That copy is straight out of Michael O’Donoghue’s Philosopher Detective in Critique of Pure Murder:

    “Hey! You’re following me.”
    “You’ve made yet another fallacious assumption.” I replied, stopping to tie a shoelace. “You are confusing things-as-they-appear-to-be with things-as- they-are. Let us call our mutual point of departure, Point A, and the exact spatio-temporal coordinates of our present respective locations, Point B. The fact that we have both moved from Point A to Point B cannot be said to entail that I was following you, namely having your person as the specific objective of my wanderings. It may well be the case that I am going to veer off in some other direction at the very next instant.
    “Secondly, ‘following’ presupposes that a body is in a state of motion, and since I am unquestionably at a state of rest, it is therefore logically impossible that I should be engaged in that activity of which you are accusing me.
    “Thirdly, I should also point out that by turning toward me to accuse me of following you, you are, in fact, patently disproving your claim that I am following you for, by definition, I cannot be following you if I am not behind you and, as you can perceive, that is clearly the case.
    “And finally, even if I were behind you, it might well be that it is you who are following me, albeit from a great distance.”
    “Gosh, I’m sorry, mister, I thought you was following me.”

  8. It is what it is as always. Never expect compassion or understanding from those who lack empathy.

  9. T-Rex @ 4:56: “I read that someone was caught taking a video of the jurors as they arrived at the courthouse this morning. Apparently, the perp was identified and the judge required that the video be deleted, and is satisfied that it has been. We will see.”

    We certainly will see; and I fear the damage has already been done. Because IMHO no reasonable juror is going to share the judge’s confidence that the video file was deleted. What if it were being streamed before his “delete” order was obeyed? What if others have recorded the jurors? The judge faces far less risk from these clowns than the jurors do. The jurors face this threat (a) until they convict Rittenhouse (and not of lesser offenses: the whole enchilada) or (b) for the rest of their lives if they do not so convict.

    And the threat to the jurors extends to everyone for whom they care: spouses, children, grandchildren, in-laws, pets, you name it. This open-ended and endless exposure is simply gigantic. Which is why the Prog thugs making such threats need to be crushed. Quickly. Completely. And very very publicly.

  10. “….Prog thugs making such threats need to be crushed….”

    Absolutely.
    But since they’re the shock troops in the service of the Democratic party, the chances of that happening are slim to none. (Unless some drastic change materializes; but I wouldn’t hold my breath.)

  11. Truth, as seen by the Progressives: These young men are flaming examples of white privilege.
    Rule 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    It’s what they do. Over and over and over.

  12. Barry Meislin: agree. But it might help if the judge in a case like this were to issue an order at the very outset that anyone attempting to identify or track any juror (defined in very general terms) or to share or communicate such information without the judge’s express prior written consent, WILL be held in contempt, no questions and no defense; and WILL be arrested and WILL be imprisoned in solitary on short rations; and WILL be fined. Savagely.

    Just as a start.

  13. I say again, why no change of venue for this trial? Same goes for the Chauvin trial. Is defense counsel too fearful to move for a venue change? It used to be pretty typical in the American criminal trial process, but no longer. Why?
    Kenosha is a small town and the jurors cannot hide from evildoers.

  14. There is a Nero Wolfe episode, “The Next Witness” where the prosecutor asked Wolfe exactly the wrong question and has his case destroyed. That’s fiction and has nothing on this trial. This would never fly as fiction.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/396410.php

    “The guy just said the prosecutors asked him to alter his testimony, and then, in court, they try to get him to alter it again.”

  15. It wouldn’t surprise me if much of the prog venom directed against Kyle Rittenhouse comes from class snobbery. Rittenhouse’s parents are divorced; his father is a machine operator in recovery from alcoholism. His mother has struggled financially, is dyslexic, visibly overweight, and works as a nursing assistant. IOW, the family can be easily caricatured by “our betters” as Midwestern “white trash” presumably undeserving of the rule of law.

    Photos at the link: https://heavy.com/news/michael-mike-rittenhouse-kyle-father/

  16. I say again, why no change of venue for this trial? Same goes for the Chauvin trial. Is defense counsel too fearful to move for a venue change? It used to be pretty typical in the American criminal trial process, but no longer. Why?
    Kenosha is a small town and the jurors cannot hide from evildoers.

    1. Chauvin’s attorney did move for a change of venue. The conduct of the judge reveals why one wasn’t granted. The appeals court in Minnesota had the audacity to deny Chauvin the services of a public defender for his appeals, so you know nothing is reversible error in that frozen latrine.

    2. Kenosha and tract-development adjacent has a population just north of 100,000. It is not a small town.

  17. It wouldn’t surprise me if much of the prog venom directed against Kyle Rittenhouse comes from class snobbery.

    It’s doubtful that people who loathe Rittenhouse know much about his family. He has demonstrable physical courage, he carries a gun, and he defends private property. That’s enough for the gross and the feckless in this society to hate him. His very ordinary mother and father somehow bequeathed to him some powerful virtues. Nice for those around him if there aren’t debits to go with those credits.

  18. There are two possible outcomes. If found guilty, the rule of law is dead. Those on the left can get away with any crime that doesn’t harm the left’s agenda. There is no right to self defense when being attacked by anyone that the left favors. Resistance puts your family at grave risk.

    Not guilty and Rittenhouse becomes a very wealthy young man.
    Red State has an excellent video of the MSM attacks upon Rittenhouse shortly after the Kenosha riot. It’s stomach turning to watch the crucifixion to which they subjected Rittenhouse’s reputation. The MSM will settle out of court for tens of millions.
    https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/11/09/the-case-of-kyle-rittenhouse-could-continue-well-past-his-criminal-trial-n472464

  19. the prog venom directed against Kyle Rittenhouse comes from class snobbery.

    Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment) is class-based bigotry. Racism, sexism, etc. are a subset of diversity, which is exploited by competing [white] factions for social and economic leverage. The factions and sects (e.g. Pro-Choice religion) are infamous for speaking truth through projection (e.g. handmade tales) in politically congruent (“=”) terms.

  20. An extraordinary young man, who thought that he would act as a deterrent to social justice and offer aid to those afflicted. Who acted in probable, not plausible, self-defense, and only after giving ground to a viable extent.

    His very ordinary mother and father somehow bequeathed to him some powerful virtues.

    Exactly, color (e.g. social) judgments are fraught with moral and secular risks. The Pro-Choice religion of Progressive sects (Church, Synagogue, Temple, Mosque, Corporation, Clinic), denies women and men’s dignity and agency, and reduces human life to a negotiable asset.

  21. I wasn’t in the US last year when the BLM/and fascist Antics riots occurred. So I don’t read know what the MSM framing was.

    But the Red State file Geoffrey links to only shows us the fire breathers in MSNBC and Young Turks.

    This is entirely keeping to conclusions, caricature as “analysis” propaganda, low-brie Chomsky school trash talk.

    Do people really believe this s$#t? Is this really representative of MSM “news” coverage?

  22. I think that what you’re feeling your way towards ever so haltingly and slantendicularly is…

    Wait for it…

    The War on White Males (*).

    For that is what it is.

    (White females get predated at the margins. That’s a slightly different issue.)

    * The Younger, the Better. Of course. Being ruled over by utter degenerates, what else could one expect?

  23. Neo: “But if he’s found guilty of murder, the state will have destroyed the life of an innocent young man who was actually trying to do good that night. I mean “innocent” in several senses of the word: not guilty of the charges against him, but also idealistic in the ways of many young people everywhere.”

    And if the state doesn’t, in many ways the MSM has already destroyed that young man’s life – just like they did with Sandman, Zimmerman, and the young lacrosse players at Duke. No matter the outcome their lives have all been tainted. I remember a quote from one of the lacrosse players who said to his lawyers, even if found not guilty his obituary will list him as being one involved in this case – that’s what people will remember him for.

    I cannot even begin to imagine the horror that Rittenhouse is facing while sitting there in court fearing that his life might be over. I hope that he has the strength with family and friends’ support to help him through this ordeal.

  24. “Never expect compassion or understanding from those who lack empathy.”

    The really tragic/frightening/infuriating thing is that lots of these people don’t lack empathy. They’ve simply been convinced that this is a situation where only one side of the conflict deserves it, so they consider themselves to have moral license to turn it off.

  25. “Riot Kitchen raised $57k on GoFundMe, incl $500 from GoFundMe itself.”

    GoFundMe took down an account for Kyle’s legal defense.

    GoFundMe is anathema. It deserves to die in a fire.
    I will never donate to a GoFundMe account again, not even for a cause I approve.
    I have told causes to open an account on GiveSendGo and I will donate there.

  26. Zaphod:

    Of course – it’s obvious – that it wouldn’t be happening to them if they weren’t white. That’s not some great hidden truth you’re sharing.

    It’s also why George Zimmerman the half-Hispanic had to be made into a “white Hispanic,” the better to be demonized.

  27. I keep encountering arguments, even on pseudo-conservative sites, to the effect that it was “absurd” for Rittenhouse to be there at all, and that he was “looking for a fight.” This is a maddening argument, not only for the inability to imagine that protecting society from rioters is a good and brave thing to do, but for the complete misunderstanding of the right of self-defense.

    Even if Rittenhouse is assumed to have been “looking for a fight,” the standard is whether his objective, visible actions constitute initiating an altercation. He does not initiate an altercation when his adversaries indulge their imaginations about what he’s probably thinking. He does not initiate an altercation by carrying a weapon, not even if he has technically violated some unconstitutionally vague statute by doing so. He does not initiate a second altercation by using deadly force to defend himself in the first attack. More generally, he does not initiate an altercation by obviously being one of “those guys” the rioters can’t stand, or by infuriating them by putting out fires as fast as they can start them.

    The testimony so far has been shockingly one-sided in favor of Rittenhouse’s self-defense claim. This case never should have been brought to trial. If the jury is compromised enough to convict, I hope the judge will overturn the verdict.

  28. Related (review of Rittenhouse trial thus far):
    Monica Showalter —
    “Rittenhouse trial plagued by corporate tech and Big Media bid to taint his case”
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/rittenhouse_trial_plagued_by_corporate_tech_and_big_media_bid_to_taint_his_case.html
    Andrea Widburg —
    “Jaw-dropping testimony in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial should end the case”
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/jawdropping_testimony_in_the_kyle_rittenhouse_trial_should_end_the_case.html

  29. And if the state doesn’t, in many ways the MSM has already destroyed that young man’s life – just like they did with Sandman, Zimmerman, and the young lacrosse players at Duke.

    There’s a distinction between injury and destruction.

    1. Sandman was merely libeled and was able to extract a pound of flesh from some perpetrators through an out of court settlement. The effect on his employment prospects is uncertain.

    2. The lacrosse players were subject to 14 months worth of slanders and libels and their families were out six figure sums in legal fees. I think they were able to recoup some of that from out of court settlements contra the parties not immune. (Michael Nifong and his collaborators in the prosecutor’s office and on the bench were immune, I believe). No clue if the whole ugly episode is following them around or not in job interviews and whatnot.

    3. George Zimmerman was also subject to an 18 month horror of process. I think small individual contributions were able to finance his defense (nowadays you’d expect GoFundMe to shut his account). His wife deserted him (no surprise there; she was about 20 when she married him and it’s imprudent in our time to invest in a woman that age). He was under actual physical threat for years afterward. Have never heard a word about what he does for a living nowadays. (He was working in an insurance office when the whole imbroglio went down).

    4. I’m going to wager Kyle’s situation will resemble Zimmerman’s for some time afterward.

  30. I keep encountering arguments, even on pseudo-conservative sites, to the effect that it was “absurd” for Rittenhouse to be there at all, and that he was “looking for a fight.”

    One wag referred to this discourse as ‘Mom Logic’. You saw it in the Duke lacrosse case as well.

    I see Rittenhouse is also the subject of attack by one of the Omidyar minions at The Bulwark.

  31. It’s also why George Zimmerman the half-Hispanic had to be made into a “white Hispanic,” the better to be demonized.

    FTR, Gladys Zimmerman is a 3 parts to 1 Amerindian / negroid mix with little discernable white ancestry. He’s slightly more caucasian than Corey Booker.

  32. “I keep encountering arguments, even on pseudo-conservative sites, to the effect that it was “absurd” for Rittenhouse to be there at all, and that he was “looking for a fight.” ”

    The old “[S]he was just asking for it” rape defense.

  33. I hear the defense is going to put Rittenhouse on the stand, which is something that isn’t generally done. I don’t know if it’s a sign of confidence on the part of the defense or what.

  34. It’s not a perfect comparison, but Sandmann and Rittenhouse remind me of the Scottsboro Boys. In 1931 nine black teens were chaged with rape and tried with life imprisonment or death sentences at stake because two white women made the false charges and all-white juries convicted.

    This led to two Supreme Court cases and new laws for the inclusion of blacks on juries. Most of the Boys served prison sentences but all were released by 1946.

    Not an entirely happy ending. However, it served as an important step on the road to ending the Jim Crow era.

    We’ve got a ways to go before our current two-tier system of law which ignores crime on the left while heavily penalizing individuals on the right, is seen for the injustice it is.

  35. George Zimmerman, half hispanic and blacker than Homer Plessey.

    But white for the purpose.

  36. A newsreader shockingly corrects the record. After viewing the actual evidence she admits that Kyle’s actions are pretty understandable.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPsXhErQA8

    I assume you are using the term ” news reader” ironically.

    Kasparianwhatever is a long time host of a left-wing vlog on YouTube : The Young Turks. Dave Rubin, left the crew because they were nuts.

    Even the comic relief guy who was ideoligically to the left of his fellow Turks, set up on his own since his iconoclasm could not abide the Turks’ progressive-party-line-faithful-dishonesty and water carrying.

    Rachel Maddow comes off as almost sane compared to this Ana piece of work.

    If she ever gains political sanity I might have to re-think my position that the circle dancing damned are born that way and justly predestined for Socialist Hell from the corruption of their whelper’s wombs.

    I hope it is not true, since I’d prefer to let the obnoxious destroy themselves, rather than feel morally obligated to try and help them see the light.

  37. CNN provides some interesting comments on Judge Schroeder:
    ___________________________________

    A seasoned southeast Wisconsin attorney who has appeared before Schroeder many times described the judge as “someone who has studied the Constitution and the enumerated rights for criminal defendants and… respects the right of the defense to put on a defense.”

    “He’s a super old school guy,” said the attorney, who asked not to be named because he still appears before Schroeder.

    “And that doesn’t mean that he’s old. I mean he’s 75 years old, which is older than most judges, but he’s just an old school guy. He still operates his courtroom like it’s 1980.”

    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-11-10-21/index.html
    ___________________________________

    1980 — Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and MLK’s dream, “I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character,” was still the goal.

  38. Apparently Rittenhouse made a good impression on direct examination. On cross examination, the prosecutor has enraged the judge, prompting a tongue-lashing seldom seen in the courtroom.

  39. @ huxley > “We’ve got a ways to go before our current two-tier system of law which ignores crime on the left while heavily penalizing individuals on the right, is seen for the injustice it is.

    The major difference between the Scottsboro case and the Rittenhouse case is that the line separating the two tiers is no longer clear. Using race (skin color / heritage) as the tier markers in the past was relatively easy.*
    Now, the line cuts across race (labeling Winsome Sears and Candace Owens as “white supremacists” is a current example; labeling the Anglo-Caucasian Social Justice Warriors as being in the other tier makes it evident).

    So, it’s not easy to see the injustice because it isn’t as easy to tell that there even IS a line.

    We see it, but the consumers of the Leftist Media do not.
    And GoFundMe delenda est.

    *The Sandmann and Zimmermann cases were more equivalent to the Scottsboro case: the line in those is still drawn between races (given the arbitrary label of “white Hispanic” applied to Zimmermann), but the favored tiers are reversed.

  40. We had something similar to the Rittenhouse case here in Omaha.

    JuJu Scurlock was shot dead by bar owner Jake Gardner in downtown Omaha’s Old Market.

    Scurlock was a convicted felon and the son of a convicted felon. JuJu had something like 11-13 full and half siblings.

    JuJu is shown on video breaking into an architect’s office (I know them) and smashing up the place. After that he goes down the street and gets into an altercation with Gardner who was with his dad and two others protecting the bar. Gardner was a Marine and probably in his 40s.

    Gardner gets knocked to the ground. He retreats. JuJu jumps him and gets his arms around Gardner’s neck to choke him out. Gardner tells him to get off. JuJu refuses. Gardner shoots over his back and kills JuJu. JuJu was a recent father.

    The county attorney (who I know) investigates. Interviews Gardner in jail. County attorney and police look at video and interview witnesses.

    He gives a press conference and decides not to file charges. Self defense. DDB (me, Cornhead) writes an op-ed in the local paper praising the decision.

    The Left goes nuts. Big stink. County attorney decides to impanel a special prosecutor to look at the evidence again. This guy is a former Assistant US Attorney and a freshman classmate of mine in law school. He decided to file charges. Gardner commits suicide rather than face the charges.

    The weird thing is that the Left went so crazy for JuJu. Protestors went to the county attorney’s house and bothered him for over a month! Not Nebraska nice!

    The good thing is that the county attorney switched to the GOP after the NE Dems attacked him. A crazy leftist is now running against him and he wants to “reform” cash bail. He was inspired to run based on the JuJu case.

    Omaha was spared all of the Kenosha pain by the professional decision of a prosecutor.

    The Left is truly insane.

  41. Here’s how that two-tier thing works, if you are on the wrong (which is to say the Right) side. Excellent explanation of the legal dilemma.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/theres_a_reason_innocent_january_6_prisoners_are_pleading_guilty.html

    However, if you are on the right (that is the Left) side, you can burn buildings, kill people, and suborn the law enforcement and national security agencies of the United States without consequence.

    You don’t even have to post bail.

  42. @ Henry > “I have told causes to open an account on GiveSendGo and I will donate there.”

    There is a small hitch in that get-along:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/rittenhouse_trial_plagued_by_corporate_tech_and_big_media_bid_to_taint_his_case.html

    On Monday, PayPal stopped providing payment tools to GiveSendGo, a Christian crowdfunding site that helped raise money for people who attended last week’s Capitol riots, said PayPal spokesperson Justin Higgs. GiveSendGo also raised money for the legal defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, charged with killing two protesters last August in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and the Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio.

    GiveSendGo says they are working with alternative payment processors, because PayPal is not the only fascistic government lackey giving them static.
    (I do NOT think those terms are too radical these days.)

    Showalter details as well the blackout by Facebook and Fundly, and we know how the Democrat Media treated him. Then there are the threats and intimidation.

    Where are the arrests for these guys?
    It seems that corporate America, its media and leftist allies, lousy prosecutors, and anyone who tried to deny Rittenhouse his day in court have some explaining to do. They all tried to prejudge a trial against what is clearly a case of self-defense in the face of a lethal threat, and now that it’s been exposed, they’ve got nothing to say for themselves. Where is their hot reporting? Where are the apologies? And why the heck does so much of the rest of the establishment allow them to get away with it?

    But we know the answer to that, don’t we?

    * * *
    @ huxley – Internal links to these sites make it clear which of the two tiers of justice the Corporate Courtiers are on, including NBC:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/too-little-too-late-extremism-experts-criticize-payment-companies-n1253982

    Somewhat more neutral:
    https://gizmodo.com/paypal-dumps-givesendgo-the-christian-crowdfunding-sit-1846035526

    A GiveSendGo spokesperson confirmed that it’s parted ways with mainstream fintech companies, for unnamed reasons. “We have/are changing/moved away from our previous payment solutions (examples. WePay, Stripe, Paypal etc) and are implementing/working with our own solutions to continue providing efficient service to our users,” the spokesperson told Gizmodo via email. They added that the company would prefer not to divulge its current payment processing method at this time.

    The site continues to be hosted by Amazon Web Services—which is relevant because AWS made the unusual decision to cut ties with conservative Twitter clone Parler late last week.

  43. @neo:

    It’s not so obvious that it doesn’t bear repeating at every opportunity.

    Would you beat about the bush if I opened (say) a resort in the Catskills in (say) 1950 and demonstrated an obvious if unspoken and unwritten policy to exclude a particular well-defined genetically delimited group?

    To fight the Beast, you have to name it.

    When it becomes uncouth to call the Beast by its name, the battle is already lost.

    As with CRT… you got all these big brains on the supposed Conservative side running around making fools of themselves trying to prove that CRT is anti-Black or anti-Immigrant because anything but anything is better than saying it’s what it is: Anti-White.

    It’s insanity. We deserve to lose.

  44. DNW —

    If [Kasparian] ever gains political sanity

    I saw that somewhere and all I could think was “oh, she’s in for it now”.

    I would not be at all surprised to hear that she’s catching all kinds of invective, cold-shouldered by her co-hosts, and generally maligned and lied about by all the nicest people. If she pulls a Bari Weiss that would be good, if she pulls a Dave Rubin even better.

  45. When I post this on Farcebook the censor retards will pick up all works by Melville as being racist and transphobic, as well as being a big old meanie and scrub all references to this work, thereby saving generations of bored High School English students from reading said works.

    Thanks, Neo!

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