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  1. For the Dems it’s BAMN – Sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper – BAMN.

    Latin borrowed from Zaphod on an earlier thread.

  2. They weren’t ‘placating their base’. Rank and file Democratic voters do not want this. The people on the payroll want this so they can steal elections without impediments. Rank-and-file Democrats just pretend it isn’t happening.

    You notice not a single Democrat in Congress voted against this travesty. It’s not retaliation from voters they’re heading off, but retaliation from Schumer / Pelosi. All but one House member voted for both shampeachments and all but Manchin voted to reject Brett Kavanaugh after he was subject to criminal mistreatment.

  3. Note, the thieving will still continue in places like Washington State which make promiscuous use of postal ballots. This just prevents them from extending these abuses to the decent states in the country.

  4. They weren’t ‘placating their base’. Rank and file Democratic voters do not want this.

    I disagree that “base” equates to “rank and file” voters. Base are those voters who vote a strict party line to push their agenda and gain power. They are not necessarily the majority, and usually aren’t, but those sufficiently activist to make the difference in close elections.

    The “rank and file” might well drift off and vote for Reagan or Trump, as we have seen.

  5. Agree it will come back, piecemeal or back handed executive order.
    If it passed my belief would be it would be the end and a one party government.

  6. I agree that it is an incumbent protection racket, majority Democrats in particular.

    It is Democrats’ attempt to perpetrate a fraud on the American people, for all time.

    I happened across Senator Cruz’s speech on Telegram, which I thought was pretty good:
    https://youtu.be/bB17_nEykFE

    I didn’t know the specifics before on the proposed public financing of elections and the makeup of the FEC. I’m not sure I understand the FEC part, but I presume the proposed makeup of the commission is only because Democrats are currently in control (that it would flip somehow if they were not).

  7. I’m not sure I understand the FEC part, but I presume the proposed makeup is only because Democrats are currently in control (that it would flip somehow if they were not).

    Since its foundation, it’s had an even number of members, three from each party. They want five members so they’ll have a majority to ram through measures. In 1974, they were capable of co-operative measures. Now, they just want control to abuse and steal.

  8. @ Art+Deco

    I understood that part, which Cruz covered in his speech. The proposal is for 3 Democrats and 2 Republicans — instead of the current 3 each.

    My question is what the makeup would be if Republicans were in control of one or more house or the presidency. Would it be 3 of the 5 commissioners, for example, for whichever party controls two out of three? Or, in other words, if you only control one, then just 2 commissioners?

  9. My question is what the makeup would be if Republicans were in control of one or more house or the presidency.

    Remember James Carville’s book, Forty More Years? It’s their plan that there never will be a Republican administration ever again. They’re looking toward something along the lines of the Mexican PRI regime (1929-2000). Keep in mind that since 1968 an escalating proportion of partisan Democrats have maintained that it’s illegitimate when Republicans win elections. It began with the “Southern Strategy” rubbish about Richard Nixon’s 1968 campaign.

  10. Art+Deco:

    That still didn’t answer my question, what I didn’t understand before about the proposal.

    What you say certainly seems to be the plan and is probably implicit in Cruz’s speech.

  11. Neo: persuasive analysis, thanks. Now I can be even more depressed, but with reasons.

  12. The democrat national party has to be seaching high and low for electable “wolves in sheep’s clothing” to get rid of Democrats Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema. The democrat leadership has to be furious with them and now determined to replace them.

    I agree that HR1 is critical to the democrat’s goal of a One Party State. Currently, once HR1 passed the demise of the filibuster would open the door to that goal.

    As for the unity of congressional republicans in voting against HR1, there are some few whose primary concern is for the country.

    And while McConnell and most of the rest of the GOPe do indeed see HR1 as an existential threat, it is not per se, out of concern for its threat to the “consent of the governed”. Their concern is much more personal than that. HR1 is a direct threat to not just the GOPe’s political relevance but to their financial future.

    As, why would big donors continue to donate to a group of permanently neutered politicians?

  13. @GB:

    “And while McConnell and most of the rest of the GOPe do indeed see HR1 as an existential threat, it is not per se, out of concern for its threat to the “consent of the governed”. Their concern is much more personal than that. HR1 is a direct threat to not just the GOPe’s political relevance but to their financial future.

    As, why would big donors continue to donate to a group of permanently neutered politicians?”

    Precisely.

  14. Below is something I just posted to the post on Trump that Neo posted yesterday (“Pursuing vengeance: on prosecuting Trump”). It is also relevant to this post.

    Here is an article on public choice theory at the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics (1st edition; a link to a revised article for the 2nd edition is also available at the top), a field in economics that I mentioned in my post above [in the Trump thread]

    https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/PublicChoiceTheory.html

    There is a lot, lot, lot more at the link, and it is well worth reading, but here is a small quote:

    There is no direct reward for fighting powerful interest groups in order to confer benefits on a public that is not even aware of the benefits or of who conferred them. Thus, the incentives for good management in the public interest are weak. …

  15. Manchin will likely cave at some point before 2022, or the Democrats will assassinate a Republican Senator that gets replaced with Democrat. It is brass tacks time.

  16. @Yancey Ward:

    Something will likely happen. Right Side had best start losing their Pavlovian conditioning and start asking themselves questions like “What would Lenin have done in this situation?”

    I’m not just using Lenin as a hypothetical because you’re all even more inoculated against the Other Guy. The OG was far too much of a fuzzy thinker and kept rambling off into the wilds. Lenin, Stalin, Molotov, Kaganovich… Bastard Killers like those guys knew how to cut to the essential chase. That’s what it’s going to take to get a favourable result.

    Forget Ideologies. Study Actions.

  17. Show us your actions, Zaphod. IME, those who cry “GOPe” are lazy. I expect that you comfortably fit the profile.

    I ask of all who sneer “GOPe” at the doers in the Republican Party, in the past five years (2015-2020) have you ever:
    * walked swing precincts located across town for a candidate?
    * walked your own neighborhood precinct for your candidate?
    * walked your block for your candidate?
    * walked up your street and back for your candidate?
    * ever obtained a walking list from your local public elections office?
    * used a walking list?
    * known what a walking list is?
    * volunteered to serve as a polling place official on Election Day?
    * volunteered to be an observer of ballot counting the evening of Election Day?
    * volunteered to be a partisan poll watcher on Election Day?
    * been an activist member of a citizens’ election watchdog group?

    More recently, have you:
    * organized a public Trump Vaccine Victory event in your own town during Memorial Day weekend?
    * attended a meeting of your local school board and spoke out against the sham of so-called Critical Race Theory (CRT) in curriculum and teaching?
    * attended a meeting of your local school board when textbook adoption was on the agenda?
    * attended a meeting of your local school board when the high school’s new football coach was to be chosen? (Just checking if you’re paying attention.)
    * invited anyone on your block to attend weekly worship services with you?

    Let your own conscience be your judge, Zaphod. Will you man up and lead by example or will you hide behind the internet and continue to complain that someone else isn’t fulfilling your duty of citizen activism for you?

  18. Micha Elyi:

    Zaphod tells us he lives in Hong Kong so he does not have to do any work in the USA. He also tells us he is not a US citizen so he is doubly removed from having to do any work. But he can tell us what “we” should be doing and how “we” must save western “White” civilization. There is a lot that Zaphod (babelbox, Can Do!, beblebrox) has to say. But a lot of what Zaphod says is twisted around melanin and it’s controlling influence on an individual’s worth and potential, much like the Criminal Racist Theory. Just my observations.

  19. @Micha Elyi:

    All very good of you. Your civic participation in a broken system is highly commendable. You do realise that this puts you on their local list, don’t you? You are prepared for that, aren’t you?

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