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  1. “stupidity and/or miscommunication on the part of multiple security forces, or perhaps purposeful hampering by some.”
    Neo, I am not one to go to conspiracy theories but with so much happening the past 4 yrs I am regretfully leaning to deliberate hampering by DC authorities. And yes even though the “vaunted” FBI has stated that there were no Antifa involved I just don’t believe them. And I feel let down that is the case.

  2. It is conceivable that officer Sicknick was hit in the head and, later on, died of some kind of brain injury–brain bleed or something.
    Like to know about the other medical emergencies.

    As regards the woman shot, she was climbing through a window. That’s an awkward operation and a slap upside the head should manage it.

    Used to be, some cops carried a kind of night stick maybe eight or nine inches long. Grooved to fit in the fist with three or four inches sticking out. It can be used to make somebody go away, sit down hugging himself, lean against a wall, and various other issues. Or it can kill. Point is, among other things, optics. It was developed before everybody had a camera, but still, encouraging someone to move along with a couple of modest-looking jabs doesn’t cause rioting. And when somebody’s half way through a window.. Hell, let her get in an arrest her.

    However, it was, by 2020 standards and norms, mostly peaceful

  3. There is video – see Daily Caller of a DC policeman being assaulted by the mostly peaceful protestors at the Capitol, but that is not the Capitol Police. Still no video of the incident, if there was one, of Capitol Hill officer Sicknick being assaulted, still waiting to see it.

    Not whataboutism but I cannot count the number of policemen/women assaulted with clubs, batons, firebombs, frozen water bottles, commercial fireworks (mortars), and being shot during mostly peaceful protests in Portland, Seattle, New York City, Chicago. And yet lethal force was not used. Climb through a broken window in the Capitol and you get summarily executed.

    All Communists (and leftists) Are Bastards. Being a bastard used to be a bad thing, a usurper one with an unjust claim to power etc.

    Ashli Babbit RIP.

  4. There’s a report that the former head of the Capitol Police repeatedly – and well prior to the rally – asked for more forces and was turned down by the House and Senate. It is believable that the Congress wanted a “scene” so that they could pin it on Trump. Reichstag Fire.

  5. “One of the reasons the incursion happened last Wednesday was inadequate security.” neo

    There’s video of DC cops opening the gates. Video of the DC cops opening the outer doors. Video of protesters calmly walking down a rope-line for visitors. Video of a couple of ‘protesters’ dressed in black (antifa) smashing the windows to the entrance to the House chamber, while a half dozen cops stood right behind them and made no effort to stop them. Cops follow their orders. NO way do those cops do all of that without direction from above.

    That’s far too many videos of DC cops assisting the ‘riot’ for it not to be a planned operation. Lack of security had nothing to do with what happened.

  6. The FBI has been mostly absent for a year while we were having mostly peaceful protests with arson, looting and murder and suddenly they are back. I’m inpressed. What do we do to deserve people like this?

  7. Cornhead. Who in the chambers turned down the extra security? I gather each chamber’s sergeant at arms has resigned.
    Can a SaA turn down extra security on his own initiative? Does he have to do it if instructed by–somebody or other–if against his judgement?
    Did the rejection go over his head or without any connections at all?
    Did they resign out of frustration at not being allowed to do their job?
    I”m pretty sure neither killed himself. Or am I being premature?

  8. Well, I am confused. How is the Pentagon responsible for protecting the Capital?
    I seem to recall that Trump was lambasted for suggesting that troops or federal agents be used in the cities that had been under siege for weeks or months.

    With respect to the attacks on Trump for his rhetoric, I have emailed two quotes to all of my contacts as a reminder of some provocative language from the past. “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. As I understand it, the folks in Philly likes a good brawl”; Barack Obama, presidential campaign 2008. And this. “I believe in offing the Pigs. There are Pigs out there. What I believe in, I do”; Al Sharpton, Kean College 1992. I know it largely a wasted effort, but I will continue to remind folks with short memories.

    Got a nice picture of the sunrise over the bay this morning just before I launched my kayak. I also emailed that with the notation; “The Sun also rises”; without regard for the fecklessness of humanity. As it rose today, it was a good time to ask God to protect President Trump from the infantile, vengeful souls who are attacking him.

    I can’t do much. But, I will confront them now at every opportunity.

    In the video I saw of the shooting, it sure looked like she was standing back from the people at the door/window.

  9. om:

    It’s unclear, but from what I’ve read and seen so far, there were different modes of entry at different entrances. For at least one entrance, people were let in. At one or more others, people seem to have overwhelmed guards and pushed themselves in. Some windows were broken. It’s not at all clear when, where, or by whom.

    I care about what actually happened, and I think most people here care as well. But I am convinced that the narrative of the left is now set in stone, and that even if a fuller picture based on reality later emerges, the narrative will never change.

    Sort of like “hands up, don’t shoot,” or how Trump praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville.

  10. Babbitt’s blood has fed the Tree of Liberty. Who can offer the other party’s blood?

  11. Oldflyer:

    The Capitol is a federal building, so it has a different status than state buildings in other places. Trump was criticized for wanting to send in federal troops to states where governors and mayors had not requested them and did not want them.

  12. Geoffrey Britain:

    See my comment here.

    Also, I don’t see how guards at one entrance letting protestors in involves collusion. If authorities were not anticipating trouble, and/or if communication among Capitol Police was poor, it may be that those guards and/or their supervisors simply didn’t think much security was needed, or didn’t get the word in time.

    We are very much in the “fog of war” stage now regarding facts about this event, and unfortunately we may remain there. But I think more will emerge in the next week or two. Not that it will matter to the general narrative.

    If violence had been anticipated, the Capitol should have been protected by a lot of police so that the demonstrators were able to demonstrate but were kept from getting too close to the building itself. I can see, though, why the authorities didn’t want to do that because the optics, as they say, would have been bad. And I already explained in the post why I think Bowser didn’t care.

  13. Neo:

    The state and county officials OR and specifically Multnoma County were not protecting a Federal Courthouse and a Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement building. Trump was criticized for using Federal police officers, not the Oregon National Guard (which the governor Katherine (Brown) the Grate controls) and for prosecuting individuals with Federal crimes, not OR or Portland infractions.

    I agree with you that the narrative has been set by the media, although Trump has foiled similar attempts in the past. Their impeachment circus will be an “own goal” IMO. 😉

  14. Ymar,

    Wait for it. The Left’s oppression guarantees that it will happen. There’s an end date for how many times people will turn the other cheek.

    Agreement between parties is always to be desired.
    Yet of far greater importance than agreement is the freedom to disagree.
    For without that freedom, there can be no liberty.
    Absent liberty, there is only enslavement.

    74+ million Americans are not going to accept enslavement.

    It’s just a matter of time till the Left forces recognition of their actual agenda upon even the most willfully blind.

  15. Yammer has forgotten the two Kenosha martyrs, the Portland Antifa Assassin (murdered by the police! (not)), the Austin idiot who pointed his AK47 at an armed Texan, and of course the Pierce County (WA) Antifa who tried to blow up an ICE facility propane tank with his rifle (IIRC) (murdered by the police (not)).

    Of course Ashli Babbitt wasn’t armed but I’m trying to frame it like a leftist would.

  16. I wish someone would create a graphic of the Capitol building, pointing out the entrances used and where they were in relation to the Rotunda and house and senate chambers.
    The videos I’ve seen are rather random and it’s hard to get a sense of which group accessed which part of the building.

  17. The actor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, has recently compared the riot at the US Capitol building to-

    “The Kristallnacht”.

    The Kristallnacht was a violent riot, + a day(s), of destroying buildings + property, + an attack on Jewish people…and likely other people, in Nazi Germany, before Nazi Germany entered into World War II. It’s estimated, that over 91 people died because of the murders, in that attack.

    With all due respect to all of the people that I’ve mentioned, + anyone else involved-

    since Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Dad was

    AN UNREPENTANT NAZI PARTY MEMBER,

    during World War II and for all of his life, meaning…his Dad’s life,…it appears kind of unfair, and kind of unwise, for Mr. A. Schwarzenegger to compare this attack to a very hideous, and excruciatingly deadly, action done by the Nazis + the Nazi Germany government.

    To me-

    both events are very hideous events, and both are events that I wish had never happened, but-

    I feel that comparing anything to- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Germany’s government, The actual Nazis…who joined in WW2 + before, and the actions done by the Nazis, is something that should [only] be done- when the comparison(s) are a near-perfect match, and maybe these comparisons…because of how serious they can be, should hardly be done at all.

    To me- comparing things to the worst possible people, should only be done in the worst possible cases.

  18. om on January 11, 2021 at 6:14 pm said:

    Why do you sound like Q?

    I still find it hypocritical that Neo goes on and on about deleting my comments for “insults” like using the word “human” accurately, but leave insults like Om’s up.

    Just something that keeps on going like the energizer bunny. Which is why I banished Neo and Om from my realm. I only see them when I pop in here in a realm incursion, to visit and see if anyone needs a reality check given the war we are in.

    Time to go back into the shadows unless someone has a question that is useful.

  19. The cries for law and order emanating from the progressive ranks are so hypocritical. All summer long, as cities burned and businesses were destroyed, the cry was to “defund the police,” to enjoy some “undocumented shopping,” and to protest any involvement of the Feds, even when the thugs were trying to burn federal buildings. What’s more, the VP elect helped raise money to bail the perps out and declared that the violence would continue, and “should continue.”

    Then one day, Don Lemon remarked that the rioting was not going over well in Peoria. It stopped. Suddenly, mysteriously, as if someone in charge gave a signal. It didn’t stop because it was illegal or doing great harm to the nation. It stopped because the political optics weren’t good and because their attempts to blame the violence on Trump weren’t working well.

    I’m not a great tactician, but I do know that if you are the people who support law and order, the police, and the military, attacking the police and breaking the law is not a good tactic. I said so the day of the incursion. It gave the MSM and the progs ammo they will use to keep depicting conservatives as Nazi thugs. Were there leftist agents provocateurs in the crowd? From what I’ve seen on video, I say, yes. But it will make little difference. The narrative is set. I feel very sorry for anyone at the rally who got involved in the incursion. They are going to be prosecuted in federal courts, and unlike the BLM/ANTIFA thugs who were released with little or no penalties, they will face stiff judgements.

    It’s frustrating that the tables were turned in such a terrible manner. All we Trump supporters wanted was a fair hearing of the evidence of election irregularities. And now, the election irregularities have been swept under the rug – probably for good.

    This battle was lost. Let us join the progs in demanding better security and law enforcement. And let’s make sure they can’t back away from that demand when it’s convenient for them. Law and order is good for everyone. Get them on board that train and keep them there.

  20. neo,

    Wherein we disagree is in it whether it was accidental or intentional. IMO, along with other numerous events, the circumstantial video evidence and witness testimony is conclusive. It’s the only explanation that fits what has come to light.

    Too many factors support the same goals; invalidation of any Congressional representatives who oppose the fraudulent election of Biden. Preserving the mechanisms needed to ensure democrat ‘success’ in future elections. Manufacturing a ‘rationale’ that justifies removal of Trump with the consequence of permanently disqualifying any possibility for reelection. Attaching to all active Trump supporters the classification of “domestic terrorists”.

    Fauci opining that restrictions ‘may’ be needed through 2022, ensuring that mail-in ballot voting spreads. (is there any doubt that Biden & the dems will seek that?)

    This isn’t a case of elements of a chaotic left seizing an unexpected opportunity. There’s far too much coordination in reaction to this ‘attack’ upon Congress. We’re being subjected to a ‘perfect storm’ of coordinated attack by the Left.

    The timing was too fortuitous in derailing and preventing the evidence Hawley, Cruz et al were going to enter into the Congressional record and expose to the public’s scrutiny through CSPAN’s coverage.

    You don’t need direct proof of enemy action, you can take it to the bank, when there’s this much smoke… something’s burning fiercely.

  21. I am so sorry this happened, it was a “Made for TV” mess and no matter how this debacle came about it was easy for the media to make it Trump’s fault and then use the visuals to upset the entire nation. Responsible conservatives understand that their was not master plan to mess up the Capitol yet it did including deaths, if it bleeds it leads. The Democrats rank and file love to become incensed about most anything they can pin on the conservatives and this occurrence along with their interpretation of Trump’s speech made it a terrible day for the USA.

    My wife’s sister, a Californian in her mid 70’s who has had a lot of rough years in her life to my wife over the phone that it was, with no exception the worst day of her life. Sis-in-law has had a few bad ones in the past including being a drunk who lost her kids in a divorce to her lawyer husband and a few other bad turns in the road to a remarriage to a decent man who is now receiving from some scary cancer yet this TV event in the Capitol last week she considers the worst day of her life. She is an incredibly well read, educated smart lovely woman and I think she reflects the attitude of the majority of those on the left. Nothing better than the ‘worst day of your’ life to feed the feelings of rancor for the right.

  22. To Ymarsakar,

    No offense is intended by me, but- how is Operation Paperclip connected to what I have said? I don’t see the connection.
    Please tell me more about this topic.

  23. “Too many factors support the same goals; invalidation of any Congressional representatives who oppose the fraudulent election of Biden.”

    Yeah. The debate on election fraud either never happened or got swallowed up by events.

  24. Hmm, Neo. I know that you recall the reaction to the federal agents defending the Federal Building in Portland when it was under sustained attack.

    I confess my ignorance. I know of nothing in the constitution or law that gives the Pentagon primary responsibility for defending the Capital building absent a foreign attack or civil war. If they are responsible, I would suggest that we could save the mega bucks we spend on the Capital Police.

    I can, however, amuse myself by closing my eyes and imagining hordes of “palace guard armchair warriors” (as we used to refer to them) forming up in ranks and marching to the defense of the capital, from whence all blessings flow.

  25. Yammer is being repressed again. To be banished from his den of iniquity, where ever that is, oh the injustice! There is quite enough of him here. LOL

    No one ever expects the Yammer Exposition.

  26. Listening to the Viva frei podcast I think DNW linked to and heard a recommendation to Nate Brody’s (Nate the Lawyer) Youtube channel.

    Nate Brody showed newspaper stories by I believe the Post and Washingtonian before the Jan 6 rally, where people were planning to storm the capitol building. The police could have known exactly what this element of Trump supporters were planning, including taking over the Capitol building to stop the certification.

    Then he compares the preparation of the Trump protests, where people were talking on social media about taking over the Capitol building to the preparation for BLM protests this summer. One in full riot gear, and the other bicycle cops. Those were the reinforcements.

    He shows videos of police letting protestors in, taking selfies with the protesters, etc.

    Now he doesn’t go there, but Broady asks the question why were the DC police so unprepared?

    Was this a setup?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC3h-7qQ6L8

    By the way, I asked in an earlier comment wishing someone had a graph of where the protesters entered the building and where they went. It seems the stories indicated these insurrectionists had maps of the building.

    Second postscript. Barnes says this was all done by Qanon followers.

  27. A few days ago, Sarah Hoyt stated in the comments over at her blog that she’d heard FOF from DC law enforcement (i.e. third-hand, so treat accordingly) that the DC police were told to only expect “hundreds” of people at the Trump event. Her non-conspiracy guess is that the higher-ups made the mistake of believing the ink about Trump’s supposed low popularity, and figured that not many people would show up for a “settled” (i.e. against the narrative) issue, in freezing cold weather.

    If true, then obviously they were in error.

  28. the DC police were told to only expect “hundreds” of people at the Trump event

    Hundreds of people, who may or may not be “Trump supporters”, showed up for the riots. Hundreds of thousands of people showed up for the assembly. They were not wrong.

  29. Regarding my post at 7:39.

    I’m linking the two articles Brody use as evidence of the planned breach of the Capitol.

    It’s not as clear as he suggests.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/05/maga-geniuses-plot-takeover-of-us-capitol/

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/05/how-the-insurgent-and-maga-right-are-being-welded-together-on-the-streets-of-washington-d-c/

    One of articles references thedonald.win, a bulletin board with lots of conspiracy stuff.

    I still would conclude it was a setup by elements of the bureaucracy trying to harm the President. Since it is hard to fathom that this was going to help the President.

  30. Brian WRT your last sentence: Absolutely. Imagine some planners someplace saying, let’s show those congresscritters what’s what . That will help Trump.
    Then imagine them saying, That will hurt Trump.
    I can imagine the one a rational group would say. It would be bad enough to think this would help Trump even without knowing in advance how the dems and media would frame it.

  31. One thing is evident about the protest: the legislators had already developed the mindset that they were going to be attacked. Every last one of them ran away rather than attempt to talk with their constituents. Not a single one of them considered also addressing the masses that had gathered. And after the protesters were cleared and the bodies resumed their proceedings, they let their hurt feelings dictate their actions. Those that promised to challenge the votes from the contested states decided that the actions of a few- (who were not even yet identified) justified their change of “heart” and let the count proceed. No logic, no commitment, no moral fiber.

    The bolshevik media is BLARING “riot- riot- riot blame Trump,” “..never in the history of the world…” It is starting to smell like a set up.

    Stay strong in your fidelity to the constitution, stay at peace in your heart, you are not alone.

  32. To Ymarsakar,

    No offense is intended by me, but- how is Operation Paperclip connected to what I have said? I don’t see the connection.
    Please tell me more about this topic.

    All you have to do is to read the open source wikis on that operation. It’s a pretty unique search term.

    I feel that comparing anything to- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Germany’s government, The actual Nazis…who joined in WW2 + before, and the actions done by the Nazis, is something that should [only] be done- when the comparison(s) are a near-perfect match, and maybe these comparisons…because of how serious they can be, should hardly be done at all.

    I agree with the sentiment that trying to portray non Nazis as actual Nazis, is bad and a thing. I merely raise the Paperclip operation to say this. The actual Nazis are actually Nazis in the US, and for a long time now. Your mention of Arnold’s parentage and the Reichstag thing may have triggered that.

    Instead of comparing non Nazi American patriots to Nazis, shouldn’t we compare the history of actual Nazis in American history? And maybe current modern day Deep State antics?
    *Pats myself on the back for bypassing another Om comment*

  33. Congress people were in some kind of secure location because of a designated serious threat from Iran. Bombing or something.

    Them being there had nothing to do with the rally or any riot threat.

    Tucker Carlson spends from 1.5m to 16 in a masterful takedown of Big Tech monopolistic censorship and political fascism. It’s great.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGkZz6mOHuQ

    Exposing to mad hypocrisy of Our Elite New Imperial Masters!

    At least Elon Musk has the good sense to suggest secure signal to communicate with his social media fans.

    But pols and the corporate Left? Crazy, dangerous, out of control liars.

  34. Tucker early on notes that Russian dissident Alexi Navolny says this censorship in the US will justify their assaults against freedom on the people’s within their countries.

    Do you just suppose, for a minute, that CCP China hoped and then expected that this would happen?

  35. TJ, or they knew ahead of time Antifa would be at DC cap, so they were getting ready in their safe rooms.

  36. While you provided good examples of leftist violence against federal institutions, Neo, you left out one significant instance: the 1983 bombing outside the Senate by M19. The perpetrators had the sentences commuted by Clinton (hours before he left office) thanks in part to Jerry Nadler.

  37. Neo, you wrote “If violence had been anticipated, the Capitol should have been protected by a lot of police so that the demonstrators were able to demonstrate but were kept from getting too close to the building itself. I can see, though, why the authorities didn’t want to do that because the optics, as they say, would have been bad.”

    What would be optically bad about police protecting our legislators’ building from unauthorized entrance or attack?

  38. @TJ:

    With all due respect to Russian dissidents, I don’t see Putin importing hordes of third world fellaheen to replace his own people.

    Russia may be ruled by a kleptocratic oligarchy, but it’s one that doesn’t actively hate its own people and work for their extinction.

    So I wouldn’t waste too much emotion on wondering how the rest of the world’s nasty rulers will use the present situation in the USA to justify their own depredations. Perspective. Proportion.

  39. “What would be optically bad about police protecting our legislators’ building from unauthorized entrance or attack?” – Oliver T.

    Nothing.

  40. AesopFan, they weren’t there to protect them from the mob but because authorities believed that Iran had made some sort of credible threat against them.
    Coincidence? Or cause?

    NO ONE HAS MADE ANY OF THIS CLEAR, YET.

    But, I do notice that Judge Jeanine, on her Saturday night show, made the uselessness and malice done by the FIB her chief target for her opening statement. And she recounts the ways in which they’ve become enemies of the people.

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