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  1. Feeding the enemy’s population during war. What a strange concept. I guess starving Germany to revolt during WWI was the wrong strategy.

  2. The US waged war where we carefully avoided targeting civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan. If anything I think we did better than Israel, although the situations are different, making comparison difficult. Such a surgical approach has little precedent. Perhaps the USMC in Hue in Vietnam.

    The normal way to do it doesn’t involve allowing in resupply.

  3. Also note Biden did a drone strike on a family during the Afghanistan pullout. A mistake similar to the Israeli one, except I think it was rooted in Biden’s desire to flip the narrative, i.e., they engaged in sloppy targeting for political reasons.

  4. Israel admitted the mistake very quickly and will investigate and report honestly. The US, on the other hand, took months to admit it had killed an innocent Afghan family. Biden has no room here to be lecturing Netanyahu.

  5. When you slow-walk a war you give your enemies time to counter-attack with propaganda. If it’s time to kill, you kill fast and hugely. If you don’t, you will likely lose the propaganda war. See Vietnam and the ME. Same holds true for almost anything. You want to have a pipeline, build it fast. Same for nukes. Etc. Because if one thing is true, it’s that political leaders are cowards and they will sell you out in a heartbeat.

  6. The current ratio of civilian-to-combatant is well below two-to-one, which compares extremely favorably with ratios achieved by other Western democracies in urban warfare.

    I have no reason to doubt this ratio. But I hate this line of argument. What is says is “Yeah, we’re killing women and children, but we’re not killing as many women and children as other armies do.”

    Ugh. And of course this argument has no effect on people for whom a single civilian casualty in Gaza (but nowhere else) is unacceptable, since no one can be reasoned out of antisemitism.

    Anyway, when I expressed this thought to an Israeli acquaintance, he said Israelis don’t much care about the PR war, which is unwinnable. He said they care about the war in Gaza, which can and will be won.

    In the meantime, the Orwellian lies are maddening.

  7. Kate,

    It was obvious at the time that Biden’s drone strikes (he hit another target besides the family) were pollical. They tried to lie about the family, and I don’t recall details on the other strike being released.

  8. MollyG:

    Wars are awful and there’s no getting around that. But the ratio of civilians to combatants killed does matter, especially because those who accuse Israel of genocide are totally ignoring the facts that make such an accusation a lie, and so those facts need pointing out. But you are very correct that this type of reasoning has zero effect on Israel-haters and Jew-haters.

  9. I’m sure Neo will have much to say about this, but Iran’s threat to retaliate for the consulate bombing in Damascus will likely escalate the war.
    It’s possible that Hezbollah may open the northern war, while Iran takes out the Jordan monarchy. Would the Saudi’s react to that?

    War with Hezbollah and Iran May Have Just Begun | Caroline Glick Show In-Focus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0GJhsmMx8o

  10. You forgot to mention the new-found contrivance of propagandizing the aid shortfalls, by constantly telling the audience that the Gaza population is suffering from ‘severe food insecurity’. Now…. what does that term mean? Does that mean, they’re going hungry? Does it mean they are malnourished? Or facing endemic starvation, like some African republic? Apparently not, on the face of it. Apparently, they are nervous and insecure about their sustenance. But I notice that many Gazans, especially the captured combatants, appear rather zaftig, to use the term sarcastically.

    So – I understand Neo’s frustration perfectly. The Palestinians not only enjoy a poor credibility rating – their credibility rating is well into the negative territory. When one views or reads or hears a Palestinian update, one automatically assumes it’s a deception, at best – and an outright lie, on average. As we have seen with each fresh day of the Israeli action, the Palestinians steadfastly condemn Israeli incursions – and then, new tunnels are discovered, new caches of weaponry found in supposedly neutral facilities, time after time after time. It is the rule, not the exception.

    So: Since the Palestinians have not surrendered unconditionally, our leaders should be exhorting that, like the World Wars, nothing less will bring an end to the Israeli action: Freeing of the hostages and unconditional surrender. I don’t blame them one bit. I support the Israelis, and think their attack on the Iranian generals is just their way of getting to the head of the snake.

  11. JackWayne,

    Can we call them “political officeholders” instead of “leaders”? Not picking on you but calling any of these clowns a leader makes me ill.

  12. Brian E:

    It’s been known from the very start (October 7) that there will be a war with Hezbollah. It was just a question of when it would heat up. Retaliation for the bombing in Damascus is just an excuse. This war was inevitable.

  13. Brian E:

    The sky’s the limit for Iran. When I heard about October 7, I was surprised it wasn’t coordinated with a much bigger war. Iran’s goal has always been to gain control of the entire Middle East.

    Iran may be moving fast because they want to do it while Biden is president.

    But if they go too far too fast they may arouse the opposition of more than Israel.

    They may be moving fast because they want to do this while Biden is still president.

  14. Here’s my concern. In a normal world with an American President that values Israel, we would use our influence/military presence to keep Iran’s response minimal.

    Killing the senior command of its IRGC Qods Force in Syria and Lebanon on what is considered Iranian territory makes the international propaganda against Israel that much easier.

    But we have a President that has chosen Iran to be what they consider is a counterbalance to Israel. I don’t think Biden wants Israel to cease to exist, but there are some in his administration who wouldn’t shed a tear at that outcome.

    If Iran succeeds in toppling the Jordanian government, they may not immediately attack Israel, but the threat will be one country closer. I hope I’m wrong.

  15. Brian E:

    Damascus is not Iranian territory and I don’t think it was actually in their consulate, just an adjacent building. Not that it matters because anti-Israel feeling is sky-high no matter what they do.

    I think Israel struck because they knew what Iran was already planning to do.

  16. I’ve seen it suggested that Israel had information indicating that the IRGC Gen. just killed was involved in the planning and preparation of the Oct. 7th Hamas attacks, hence a deliberately chosen target for elimination. Whether this is so, I have no direct knowledge or evidence. It is however in my view a plausible scenario.

  17. It was an annex adjacent to the Iranian embassy, but that tidbit is lost in the reporting. I thought embassies were considered to be sovereign territory of the country.

    “On 1 April 2024, an Israeli airstrike destroyed the Iranian consulate annex building adjacent to the Iranian embassy in Damascus, Syria, killing 16 people, including a senior Quds Force commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi and seven other IRGC officers.” — Already a Wiki page!

  18. From what I could find, all of the WCK workers but one were Gazan. Considering how many Gazan doctors, teachers UN workers, etc. are also Hamas soldiers, I wouldn’t be surprised if these were less than “innocent aid workers.”

  19. @ Someone Else > “all of the WCK workers but one were Gazan”

    That’s an interesting factoid I haven’t seen before, although I have no reason to doubt it. Do you have a source citation?

    I saw a comment (at Turley’s site IIRC) noting that even the IDF has lost casualties to “friendly fire” (such an awful euphemism), so it’s a risk the aid workers ought to have been aware of, although it’s still a tragedy.

    J. E. Dyer has a couple of things to say, at great length, but there are two bottom lines: (1) multiplying the number of points where “aid” enters Gaza, as the WCK did with their own “pier” also multiplies the number of points where the IDF has to monitor incoming supplies to make sure they actually are aid and not weapons (already a considerable problem despite their blockades);
    (2) looking at a map of Gaza shows that the location of the aid warehouse was not in a very rational place, for both the distance to the pier and the type of area.

    So, Someone Else may have hit the nail on the head.

    The Israelis hit exactly the people they wanted to, but have to put on a show because they can’t prove it (not that anyone on the side of Hamas would care, as MollyG pointed out) ; OR they did in fact hit the wrong cars, because they were expecting some terrorists to be in that vicinity.

    https://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2024/04/02/two-pings-on-strike-that-killed-food-aid-workers-in-gaza/

    In other words, WCK could have chosen a safer place as a hub for aid distribution. One line of thought would be that Deir al-Balah was chosen because of its existing links to the usual-suspect outside parties in Gaza. We needn’t dismiss that as a factor.

    But it does raise questions about the priority of the aid delivery succeeding, versus something like the aid delivery being situated to be a new impediment to Israeli operations. No competent analyst would dismiss that possibility; it takes emotion, not empirical integrity, to angrily discount it.

    We need not insist on it either. But it belongs in the mix of questions we’re looking for answers to.

  20. I hope we would find that Sunni resistance to Iranian control might be stiffer than the Shi’ite regime expects.

  21. Yeah, we’re killing women and children, but we’re not killing as many women and children as other armies do.” Molly G.

    As an aside, the sacrosanctness of women and children is a western concept. Over there woman and children are full time combatants. Their concept of war is totally different the the West. Which they use very effectively.

  22. When you’re a soldier, aid worker, or any other non-combatant you must consider yourself dead when entering the arena of war. You’re there for others not yourself.

  23. I despise Blinken. Personal motives almost always trump obvious basic truths.

  24. …whinge the same people who as a matter of principle use ambulances for transporting terrorists and weaponry…

  25. Neo. Your last paragraph is likely correct. But there’s another factor about Russia striking Ukraine’s population centers. No enemy of the US or the West is ever condemned for war crimes or crimes against humanity. Remember the left’s outrage over the Killing Fields?
    This would include Hamas, of course.
    So Israel is getting a double dose of double standards.

  26. Need to correct a comment by Someone Else @ 2:24 pm

    Only one of the workers killed was Palestinean/Gazan. Three were from the UK, one from Australia, one from USA/Canada and one from Poland.

    I see Israel has already responded with relieving two military personnel for the mistake. It is one of the risks taken when working in a war zone, but still tragic for the workers and their families.

  27. Since Israel is blamed no matter what they do, it seems that the best course would be to win decisively with all possible speed. They’ve been put in an untenable position, being made to account and self-flagellate for every civilian death, even the ones that Hamas has invented. I believe that all reasonable attempts should be made to spare civilians but I also think that every day the war continues, pressure mounts for a permanent cease fire. Israel needs to get the job done before they’re forced to stop doing it.

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