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  1. So this Dr.Kim guy has his surgery results plastered all over TikTok and YouTube and yet he presumably has no problems obtaining new patients.

    Either potential patients like the results they see or they didn’t bother looking online to see the results of Kim’s surgery.

    Or maybe this is all an AI stunt which could explain the alien-looking results.

  2. I don’t know enough about this to be sure – but I’d expect the healing to take a bit longer than seven days.

  3. I guess I don’t have a problem with such makeovers (consenting adults and all that) –although they look like they are pretty drastic.

    What I have a problem with is, when plastic surgeons (and tattoo “artists”cooperate to) turn some nut job into a simulacrum of an animal or alien.*

    See, for example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v3bj5TMV8Y (by the way , this guy complains that he “can’t get a job,” wonder why?)

    or this group of lovelies at https://www.tattoodo.com/articles/6-people-who-turned-themselves-into-animals-through-body-modifications-6017

  4. I fail to understand Neo’s “most frightening things I have ever seen”. This is what cosmetic plastic surgeons routinely do, change the faces and lax neck skins of middle-aged women, and I believe they have software to manipulate images for prospective patients to give them choices as to extent of surgery, as this doc shows in the video. This is cosmetic surgery, after all, and plastic surgery training first requires full 5-year training in general surgery (or used to; I’m long retired out of non-surgical practice). Vanity, thy name is woman!
    The three most difficult residencies (for training) are plastic surgery, dermatology, and radiation oncology. Why? Because night and weekend on-call is never needed! Unlike gen. surg., when one is called out of bed to see an uninsured drunk abusive ER patient with a ruptured spleen due to driving while drunk at 2AM, wrecking his car and probably someone else’s in a head-on collision, maybe killing the person he hit.
    I guess you have not contemplated acute adult leukemia or pancreatic cancer or glioblastoma; those deserve fear, and being age-related, are indeed frightening.One cannot age away from them.

  5. Whether fake or not, it demonstrates an obsession with things that are identified as youthful. Of course, that ignores the beauty of experience, aging, suffering, and wisdom.

    I prefer Tommy Lee Jones circa 2018 over this fakery.

  6. Jones is remarkable. See No Country for Old Men if you have not. Rides his horse exceedingly well in this film, which adheres to Cormac McCarthy’s book of the same title beautifully. I know; I grew up on a horse in rural Texas quite some time ago.

  7. In almost every mythology that one can think of the quest for eternal youth is fraught with problems

  8. Before I forget.

    This guy is apparently famous, though I had never heard of him. Minus the tats he looks like a buddy of mine.

    I eventually watched enough of the videos to catch the geberal drift as to how it is done: the reverse of what I would have imagined.

    You hit the edge of one side, the flake comes off the other. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgsJvYPHd4

    I cannot watch people sliced up. Stone is another matter.

  9. And jones role is set in the indian summer of 1980 by our perspective not much is said about the assasin in either the book of the film

  10. Just tested a new browser – Floorp. Weird name, huh. Firefox has been my main browser for over 15 years or so, but have been having copy & paste issues w/ the mouse on certain web pages recently. Maybe a new setting I am missing, but never had the issue before.

    Also use Chrome, Waterfox, Edge, Vivaldi, Brave, Opera, and Tor for various reasons, but most seem too close to the Chrome browser setup for me or I just don’t care for it.

    Anyway, Floorp has all kinds of options that I don’t use, but copy & paste w/ the mouse is working on sites that it doesn’t work on in Firefox. Ctrl + c works for copy in Firefox when the mouse won’t copy, but requires leaving the mouse, moving to keyboard, and then back to the mouse which slows ‘Thangs’ down. Looks like Floorp may be my new main browser…

  11. Cicero:

    You fail to understand at least two things.

    The first is that my “most frightening” comment was a joke that used exaggeration. The second is that these are not routine facelifts and/or eyelifts; I’ve known quite a few people who’ve had those, and I’ve seen many photos as well. The surgeries in the video are full-out transformations that often involve procedures such as a type of brow lift that is rarely done elsewhere and leaves a full scar across the entire top of the forehead slightly below the hairline.

    And by the way, men certainly also have facelifts, although females are far more numerous. This is about male facelifts.

    Here’s an article about the doctor in the video I posted. No one seems to know much about him.

  12. I am supposed to worry about people who physically alter their looks to be something they’re not.

  13. Sennacherib:

    Who said you are supposed to worry? You are free to worry about whatever you want, or nothing at all.

  14. Presumably, by virtue of being born as a functioning unit, and living so and so many years together, the face’s components are, in a sense, coordinated. So as they age, maybe things will go more or less smoothly.
    In the illustrated cases, are various connections now not connected. What happens in, say, ten years?

  15. DNW on March 2, 2024 at 2:38 pm
    “You hit the edge of one side, the flake comes off the other. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgsJvYPHd4
    Yes, that was interesting about the under flaking.
    It appears he may have made that blade in about 10 minutes?
    Although there is a companion video about 50 min. long claiming to show this stone tool making, too. Might take longer than 10 minutes?

    Given the range of mechanical skills among modern people, I suspect that such blade “manufacture” was also a well sought after skill/ capability not achieved by everyone. As would be shaman medical plant knowledge, butchering, “tailoring”, etc.

  16. I prefer Tommy Lee Jones circa 2018 over this fakery.

    I recall a friend describing TLJ’s face as “five miles of bad road” … in the 80s. No matter. He’s been one of the greats.

  17. It’s real. Some Women are Idiots.

    I mean, it’s their bodies, their faces, they can all do what they want. I just don’t want to look at them any more. They seem to think they’re hiding something, but it is remarkably obvious they’ve done it.

    I’m put in mind of Terry Gilliam’s “Brazil”…

    Lynda Carter, for example, is just sad. Her face now looks like a plastic mask. Seriously. No real motion in it at all, she’s botoxed all her facial muscles until everything is dead.

    This is one reason I respect Dame Judi Densch — she has refused all that crap. Says it guarantees she will be able to get acting roles as long as she wants to, as she’s the only actor her age whose face can still move.

  18. Re: Google Gemini DEI runs amok

    So it is, as Rufus and I mentioned, a matter of appending DEI demands to user prompts so as to get black Founding Fathers and racially diverse Nazis.
    _____________________________

    There’s now little doubt that Google steered its users’ Gemini prompts by adding words that pushed the outputs toward diverse responses — forgetting when not to ask for diversity, like with the Nazis — but the way those added words got there is the real story. Even employees on Google’s Trust and Safety team are puzzled by where exactly the words came from, a product of Google scrambling to set up a Gemini unit without clear ownership of critical capabilities. And a reflection of the lack of accountability within some parts of Google.

    “Organizationally at this place, it’s impossible to navigate and understand who’s in rooms and who owns things,” one member of Google’s Trust and Safety team told me. “Maybe that’s by design so that nobody can ever get in trouble for failure.”

    –“Inside the Crisis at Google”
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/inside-crisis-google-203000169.html

    _____________________________

    However, given the great source code tools these days, which assign names, dates and reasons to every code check-in. I really don’t believe they can’t find how those changes ended up in the code.

    Also it’s not just image generation. According to Gemini … Elon Musk’s tweets are equivalent to Adolf Hitler! It would be wrong to misgender Caitlyn Jenner in order to prevent nuclear war!

    All Google CEO Sundar Pichai can say, “Well, here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten me into!” (Apologies to Oliver Hardy.)

  19. Re: Elon Musk v OpenAI

    Perhaps too inside AI baseball for this venue, but Elon has sued OpenAI, which has done the work to unleash ChatGPT on the world.

    Context:

    When I saw the name OpenAI, I assumed it was part of the Open Source movement, which started as an idealistic enterprise to free computer code and programs and make the world a better place.

    Well. I used to think that way. But to my surprise Open Source became a serious force. Not enough to dethrone the Microsoft or Apple ecosystems, but everything Linux you see is Open Source.

    Indeed, OpenAI was set up as Open Source from the beginning with Elon Musk as a major investor. Now OpenAI is up to its neck in commercial agreements with Microsoft — classically Closed Source and with the malign Bill Gates looming in the background. Elon Musk is calling foul.

    But it goes deeper still. Musk is genuinely concerned AI is an existential threat to humanity. OpenAI was part of his personal campaign to control AI. Sam Altman, OpenAI CEO, has in Musk’s view betrayed that understanding.

    Furthermore, it seems Musk is concerned that OpenAI has already achieved the Philosopher’s Stone of AI : Artificial General Intelligence — an AI which can do everything a human can do as well or better.

    Musk’s lawsuit specifies it be a jury trial. Whatever happens, Musk wishes to expose what is going on at the highest and deepest levels of OpenAI and AI in general. People need to be thinking about this and discussing it in the open.

    Hear, hear.

  20. Hello everyone. Yesterday, our host posted a news roundup reacting to shorter yet timely news stories.

    On Sunday, Victor Davis Hanson did this, too, on X. (I found it reposted on FreeRepublic.)

    But VDH strikes a theme like his columns typically do: ”How To Destroy the American Legal System.”

    Of course, his news story picks use Hunter Biden’s recent House testimony to segue into Trump’s numerous and malicious persecutions.

    The thread poster him or herself sums it up in one line:
    “Victor Davis Hanson succinctly sets out the corruption of the DOJ/FBI, Government Agencies, Judges, and Media all in one succinct post.”

    Quoting now, back to VDH: So what is the reason for all this lying, these legal contortions, and egregious prosecutor and judicial misbehavior?

    Five simple facts alone:

    1) The Left both fears and detests Donald Trump.

    2) Donald Trump chose to run for the presidency in 2024.

    3) Donald Trump is not a man of the Left.

    4) Donald Trump is currently ahead of Joe Biden in both national polls and in the majority of swing state polls.

    5) The Left feels barring Trump from the presidency is worth destroying 235 years of American jurisprudence.
    https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4221651/posts

    To sloganize for the campaign season, let’s all “SMASH Democrats Against Democracy!”
    EXCELLENT SUMMARY of where America’s decline is today.

  21. THANK YOU huxley, for your similarly excellent summary of the Musk v OpenAI situation.

    I,btoo hope he succeeds!
    The man is honest and therefore he presses back at injustice often, methinks.

  22. Karmi notes that the new browser Floorp is “made in Japan…”

    The recent months of in pve stir market action, observing the diverging plates of national economic fortune, not that Japan is now viewed more favourable for international investment!

    This is a reversal of the past economic fortunes of these two giant economies, Japan has been long avoided, while China was routinely the starring news and investment story.

    Karin’s small bit just confirms the growing perception I see on CNBC and online, already,

    And this is all very much a surprise! A fortunate one, considering where our geo-economic alliances lay.

  23. and if cnbc is noticing, well they are the last to know about anything

    the profile of altman in the luce’s lament was hagiographic, in the converse way that elon’s perestroika re twitter is almost not acknowledged,

    So Dune part deux, is much vaster than the first film, it leans strongly on the lawrence archetype or orde wingate* if you will, in the resistance to the Harkonnen,

    *wingate trained the palmach which became the israeli army,
    it does introduce some character that weren’t in the original book, in order to flesh out others like feyd rautha, who is a much more hideous creature in his soul, the role of the Bene Gesserit, is made more clear, there is certainly some race and gender switching which I guess is unavoidable in this day and age, and considering the north african context, almost acceptable,

    in news of other sorcery,

    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1764396341625553105

  24. huxley @ 10:41am,

    I agree. There are so many levels of quality control before any code is released within a major company, even companies one millionth the size of Google*. Even if some rogue programmer didn’t properly comment and attribute his or her code, it would have gone through QA where it would have been immediately caught. Not only that, QA had to have test scripts that actually verified the code worked as intended before moving it on. Which means there had to be scripts requesting these kinds of results.

    It absolutely was by design and many people were involved, at many levels.

    *It’s kind of like Coca Cola announcing New Coke and then, after 1 million bottles are shipped to stores customers open them and they all have 15% horse piss by volume. The amount of people, departments and levels involved with product at Coca Cola are astronomical; including automated and manual systems to test content and quality. One rogue employee dropping a vial of horse piss into a vat doesn’t result in a million bottles at tens of thousands of retail locations full of horse piss.

  25. these heuristic algorithms, (that what Hal stood for) reminded me of this little film Eagle Eye, that came out after the initial NSA disclosures, from the times, a total information system called Arlia, is employed by the various security service, the first glitch is a misindentification of a tribal leader, the entity voiced by Julianne Moore, is using a series of events to plan a checkmate of the top officials in the government, implementing a program called operation guillotine,

  26. The man [Elon Musk] is honest and therefore he presses back at injustice often, methinks.

    TJ:

    Quite so.

    I don’t know where we would be without such mavericks betraying their class as Musk and Trump.

  27. Re: Google inability to find bad Gemini code

    Rufus:

    Yeah, I don’t buy it either. Reminds me of the “Beats me…” response to the Mystery Baggie of Cocaine in the White House.

    I’m not that happy with ChatGPT, but now and then I test it for bias. It’s sorta even-handed, but it will present a fool’s Woke line as equivalent to Normie obviousness.

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