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Open thread 11/2/23 — 28 Comments

  1. It seems strange to me that, so often, the videos you post for these open threads are videos I’ve just watched in the last 24 hours…

  2. Being a Navy vet that is interesting. However he didn’t mention the fishing fleets going and coming from the waters around Newfoundland before Columbus and then there were the Seafaring Danish and other Northmen. Oh, yes the Chinese too.
    And a few other inventions that helped ocean going Sailors.

  3. Interesting history told in a VERY annoying millennia/Gen Z fashion.

    Now, for a related bit: why are there 360 degrees in a circle? Hint: there’s no good mathematical reason, hence the need for the radian measurement. Origin lies in the astronomical realm.

  4. Worth noting that a Roman pace was two steps in modern parlance. Two steps are about 5 feet, hence a Roman mile was about 5000 feet.

    why are there 360 degrees in a circle

    How many days in a year? Then combine that with the base 60 Babylonian numerical system that was commonly used for computations back in the day.

  5. I listened several times at the start, and never did the German speaking sound as if he were saying “Gil Eanes”, the guy who rounded Cape Bojador. That was 1434, not late 1400s. The Portuguese are too often forgotten.

    And yes, the narrator was obnoxious. And frankly, I knew about the reason for the nautical mile in grade school. (I did grow up on the water, son of a naval officer. That may have helped.)

  6. }}} It seems strange to me that, so often, the videos you post for these open threads are videos I’ve just watched in the last 24 hours…

    Neo is spying on you. :^D

    At a guess, you’ve both triggered the same algorithm via choices. Not all that unlikely, they probably work in broad strokes for many of them.

    Or, as might be implied by Neo’s comment — she’s training your algorithm to feed you certain things. 😀

    {insert Twilight Zone theme music here}

  7. }}} Isn’t 360 the number with the most divisors—in its range…?

    It is one of the more divisible numbers(e.g., the most prime factors), if not the most divisible. Not sure that was at the heart of choosing it, though. More than likely it does tie back to the Babylonian base-60, as geometry is pretty ancient.

    As usual, though, the Metric nutjobs have ephed it up, and tried to replace the 360 with 400, which is far less divisible, but… “10s” (replace 90° with 100″grads”).

    There is no idea so wonderful that some idiot won’t run straight off a cliff with it.

    Angles are almost never multiplied, and there is no benefit of any kind to having them divisible by 10. 30° is one of the most commonly used angle measurements, but it’s not even an integer in grads.

    SMH.

  8. thats how none of it works, omg we’re doomed, just summon the alien motherships

  9. Re Kate, on “no Jews” ie Arab-on-Arab violence:

    That’s what Israel’s enemies like to do to each other when they don’t have a Jew to gas.

  10. OBH, I have seen calculators with grads but never once in my engineering career did I encounter them actually being used. Even radians which are more tractable for complex math are related to the common angles through integers – 30, 45, 90 degrees are Pi divided by 6, 4, 2.

  11. Regarding #2. I agree with Neo. Israel can’t win the propaganda war and should continue the war to the end. The question might be– would Israel rather have Fatah control Gaza? Would the PA be ready to recognize Israel in exchange for control, once Hamas, which according to some, receives funds from Turkey and Qatar as well as Iran. Hamas isn’t as tied to the hip of Iran as Hezbollah.

    Here is a story from Arab News (Saudi backed) about why Hezbollah and Iran are reluctant to join the war against Hamas.

    “Iran, which backs both Hamas and Hezbollah, has denied any role in Hamas’ Oct. 7 assault but also described it as a victory for “the anti-Zionist resistance.”

    Joshua Landis (Sandra Mackey chair and is the director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma) said, “Iranians do not appear to want an escalation.” He pointed out that “Iran and Hezbollah have both refused to establish red lines that would trigger their involvement in Gaza. All the same, they have made general threats, backing Hamas and the Palestinians.”

    One of the reasons that an all-on war against Israel “does not seem to be on the cards,” according to Landis, “is the poverty of the ‘resistance states,’” which include Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen and Gaza.

    Syria’s economy is “completely broken” while Lebanon’s economy has been in free fall since 2019, when its banks and government fell into bankruptcy, he said. Iraq and Iran are also struggling, the latter being “eager to get out of sanctions.”

    Be that as it may, many Syrians, inside their home country and abroad, have been expressing solidarity with Gaza through demonstrations and social media. Syrian aid and civil society organizations, including Molham Team and Mart, showed support for the Palestinians by launching donations and educational campaigns.”

    If this is true, and given the source, may not be– the Biden administration giving Iran $6 billon and turning a blind eye to illegal Iranian oil exports would have been the exact wrong thing to do– unless you really want Iran to exert dominance over Israel.

    Given the softening of the hardline stance by some Arab states to Israel and any possibility that the PA might be willing to recognize Israel’s right to exist– injecting new vigor into Iran and it’s deathmatch with Israel makes perverse sense– if you want to see Israel crushed.

    Can Syria sit out the shadow war between Israel and Iran as Gaza bombardment intensifies?

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/2400996/middle-east

    Is the Biden administrations support of Iran just the Obama shadow and has it been Obama’s ultimate strategy to see Israel destroyed?
    ——

    Separating funding for Israel is a smart strategy– and pressure should continue on the Biden administration to support Israel. The more difficult part is forcing Biden not to threaten Israel privately to end short of destroying Hamas– which he will likely do. The Democrats have more to lose politically.

  12. Today I ran into this lovely letter from George Washington to the Jewish congregation in Newport. The congregation had sent Washington a cordial letter of welcome to Newport and gave thanks for his leadership and the American Revolution.

    Washington replied in kind and concluded:
    _____________________________

    May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.

    –George Washington, “To the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island” (18 August 1790)
    https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-06-02-0135

    _____________________________

    Perhaps others know this correspondence. Somehow I missed it. Brought a little tear to my eye and made me proud to be an American.

  13. well palestinian islamic jihad was originally based in Syria, the allawites are relatively secular as opposed to the salafi faction, that predominates most of the opposition groups, including the ones we spent some 500 billion on,

  14. Kate:

    I hope they have enough sense to leave the road before nightfall. As there was a BLM protestors killed on I-5 during the George Floyd insurrection. Killed when struck by a black diver.

    I wouldn’t count on them knowinger not to play in traffic.

  15. This silly video on miles is apparently – well, blatantly – ignorant of the ancient Greeks who figured out that the earth is not only round, but calculated its diameter as very close to the one later calculated by the Persian-heritage, Arabic-writing Abu al-Rayhan Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Biruni in the eleventh century. That was about 400 years before those oh-so-educated Europeans figured it out. Try reading S. Frederick Starr’s “The Genius of Their Age” and see what those central-Asian thinkers and measurers were up to.

  16. Here’s something completely different: Iggy Pop covering Leonard Cohen.

    –Iggy Pop,”You Want It Darker” (2022)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T0qm-JcuBo

    Totally respectful and dark, dark, dark with a dynamite jazz lineup behind Iggy. That’s Bill Frisell on guitar.

    It’s a different take from LC’s but it definitely works. Iggy’s voice has bottomed out almost as far down as Cohen’s.

    It’s interesting how those wild, reckless rockers, the ones who survived anyway, deepened with age. Unexpectedly!

    Now Iggy doing Dylan Thomas:

    –Iggy Pop, “Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night (Official Video)”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-KkIlxOfHM

    In case you’ve forgotten, here’s Iggy from fifty years ago:

    –Iggy Pop and the Stooges, “Search and Destroy [2023 Remaster] (Iggy Mix)”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkUc2O6EAk

  17. I am disgusted to report that the protesters in Durham kept the road closed for nearly three hours and were not arrested.

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