According to Hamas (and their sympathizers), Israelis must submit without retaliating
Hamas has stated the following:
“We announce that every targeting of our people who are safe in their homes without warning, we will regretfully meet with the execution of our enemy’s civilian hostages,” Obeida said. He said the executions would be broadcast “in audio and video.”
Note that the broadcasting of the horror is an integral part of it. This is the ISIS philosophy and it is intended to do three things. The first is to maximize the suffering for the hostages, their families, and any viewer who isn’t already a Palestinian partisan. The second is to show the world what mean m-fers are the men of Hamas; this makes psychopathic sadists feel macho and strong. The third is to spark a prisoner exchange by Israel to free the hostages, which unfortunately has been Israel’s policy until now. I don’t think Israel will do that, but I guess the world will find out.
At the same time, another Hamas official has said that Hamas is “open to mediations,” having achieved its goal of humiliating Israel. I also doubt such negotiations will be taking place.
These comfortable suit-jacketed Hamasians abroad — in Qatar, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, and wherever they may be found –, ought soon to meet their maker at the hands of efficient Israeli janitors cleaning up the stage.
I figured that the hostages would not live anyway. Wherever they are being held is surly defended and mined.
Since many of Gaza residents cheered and then spit on a dead naked Israeli women, turn the effing place into a parking lot…they supported this, or as our resident Muslim lover said, ” Elections have consequences. “
Time for the IDF to get inside the Hamas OODA Loop- out-terrorize them. Go for the families of their leaders. Surely Shin Bet knows where they live, and they can’t all be escaped to Qatar. Go after their houses, their businesses.
I’m (pleasantly) surprised that they turned off the water. People start to get real sick after 4 days without water, and some of the Gaza water will have to be used to fight fires that the ongoing attacks will start.
I think that the Israelis have figured that anything they do, including nothing, will get them criticized and condemned for existing, so they will be merciless, at least for a few days.
I’m hoping that Israel will resist any and all pressure–from the U.S. and other countries, from the MSM, from the UN, the Pope, various NGOs, pressure groups, and prominent individuals–to soften the blow it is about to deliver, to declare any cease fires, or to negotiate with Hamas.
As has been said,(in international relations) “it is better to be feared than loved,” and right now Israel needs to be feared.
The leaders of Israel need the guts, resolve, and the fortitude to remove Hamas–once and for all, root and branch–from the face of the Earth, as well as to take whatever other actions they need to take, which will ensure the long term safety of Israel.
From the river
to the sea
Palestinians (in Gaza)
Now drink pee
Doesn’t work for long.
Time to leave Gaza.
Elections (and actions) do have consequences.
Building after building is being flattened without warning. I don’t think Hamas expected that.
An Army Sgt I once worked with told me something to the effect “of all the terrors of the battlefield, being set on fire is the worst”.
Hamas is coming to learn what “inconceivable” means.
Tell those Hamas/Iranian fools this: You should realize we are the only country in the Middle Ease with nuclear capability. You should release all of your so-called hostages within the next twenty-four hours. If not, you, your children, your parents, and your grubby little cities will be come a nuclear desert. You intend to murder those innocents anyway so we should just make them martyrs for Israel. 24 hours till obliteration for you.
Hamas official has said that Hamas is “open to mediations,”
Christ, I hope everyone can read that as the same bullshit they’ve spouted before.
Stop worrying about what is happening over there. It will soon be here.
https://therightscoop.com/wapo-analysis-shows-hamas-murdered-four-israeli-hostages-right-after-taking-them-into-gaza-video/
Hamas obviously doesn’t value human life, even their own or those of their own families. I say designate 100 of Islam’s holiest sites and obliterate them one by one as each hostage is executed. Iran, Mecca or wherever. There would be worldwide condemnation, but at this point who cares. Religion of peace my ass.
So Hamas is already calling for “negotiations.”
I would completely ignore such calls, and press on with sending Israeli forces into the Gaza strip to root out and destroy Hamas.
As for the hostages, I would try to rescue them, but not negotiate for them, which is a losing proposition, and would only lead to more hostage taking in the future.
Israel has formally declared war. There are no “measured responses” in war. There is only winning or losing. I believe that Hamas will no longer exist after this and Gaza will no longer be habitable. Never Again.
To bad about the residents of Gaza. What country on Earth would accept them en mass as immigrants? They are mostly poisonous to any society.
Soon, the civilians will be dying in droves from lack of food and water. Israeli military action will be the least of it.
What is the US fleet to do there? We had best not participate directly. Israel can enforce their own blockade. Block Iranian intervention? Maybe.
Biden should have kept his mouth shut about the location of the Ford Carrier Group
This is like the murder of Armenians by Muslims, but on video.
I wonder what other videos there are of Muslim atrocities from Nigeria to West Papua.
Chases Eagles, I was a LCDR in the USN. My dad was USCG, and back in the 1960s Coasties got Navy benefits. I was born in a Navy hospital, and that’s where I went for routine and ER treatment growing up. I got to see the horribly burned from shipboard fires such the USS Forrestal. Fires at sea are horrific. Here’s a picture of the USS Belknap following a 1976 collision with the carrier John F. Kennedy. The superstructure is entirely destroyed by the ensuing fire, melted into the hull.
http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/00/33/14/76_big.jpg
It wasn’t enough to make me not want to join but it did spark my lifelong interest in damage control and first aid.
Then shortly before I was commissioned there was the USS Stark, hit by two Exocet missiles fired by an Iraqi Mirage while patrolling the Persian Gulf. The first missile broke apart, the superheated debris smashing through two crew compartments and spewing flaming jet fuel in its wake. Anyone in those compartments would have been incinerated before they had a chance to scream. The first missile’s warhead failed to explode, but the second missile’s warhead did, the missile striking the ship at almost the same spot as the first.
The fire reached nearly 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit. The adjacent spaces immediately jumped to 1,500 dg and anything in those spaces that could burn did. In that heat the water from the fire hoses flashes to steam, badly scalding the firefighters.
The crew fought the fire for 20 hours before the crew and the crews of other ships coming to the Stark’s aid got the fires out. Having handled fire hoses in training (I was part of the carrier airwing so we trained in flight deck firefighting) I can only imagine how exhausting that would have been. But you either fight the fire or go swimming with the sharks and sea snakes.
The fear of being burned alive is primordial. The worst terror is being burned alive. That affects everyone. In WWII flamethrowers were used in the European theater, but nowhere near the scale they were used in the Pacific. Modern leftists would jump to assumption that was due to racism, since the Germans and their auxiliaries were white Europeans while the Japanese were not. They’d be wrong. It was because the prospect of being burned alive horrified them as much as it would you or me, and was the only thing that would make them surrender.
Chases Eagles, the fear of fire is primordial. I retired from the Navy as a LCDR, and perhaps I’m biased but I think shipboard fires are the absolute worst. The fire aboard USS Stark, hit by two air-launched Iraqi Exocets while she patrolled the Persian Gulf back in 1987, reached 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit. Spaces adjacent to the burning spaces quickly jumped to 1,500 degrees, creating an oven effect. Anything in those spaces that could burn did so. At those temperatures the water from the fire hoses immediately flashed to superheated steam, badly scalding the firefighters.
I was a Coast Guard brat and back in the ’60s coasties and their families were treated at Navy hospitals and clinics. I remember the USS Forrestal fire very well. At least, the burn victims who made an impression on me. Not enough to stop me from joining the Navy, but I did develop a lifelong interest in damage control.
The fear of being burned alive is primordial. In WWII flamethrowers were used in the European theater but not nearly on the scale they were used in the Pacific. Leftist would immediately scream racism but that wasn’t it. The fear of being burned alive was the only thing that could be counted on to make Japanese soldiers quit.
Steve57 says, “The fear of being burned alive is primordial. The worst terror is being burned alive. That affects everyone.”
It wasn’t just shipboard fires in WWII– tank crews lived in fear of being burned alive if their tank “brewed up,” as the British put it. The Germans used to refer to Sherman tanks in particular as “Tommy cookers” because of their flammability. Descriptions of the methods used to recover the bodies of incinerated crew members for burial are not for the weak of stomach.
Sorry about the near duplicate posts. The first one didn’t appear when I refreshed this page so I thought it disappeared into the ether. Then I got duplicate posts. Ah well.
PA+CAT, the priority wasn’t so much the funeral for the dead crew. It was repairing the tank and putting back in service if at all possible. But no matter how thoroughly they cleaned and disinfected the crew compartment, that and a couple coats of paint I’m told wasn’t enough to make the smell go away.
That must have been motivating for the next crew.
Steve57–
The personnel assigned to the Graves Registration Service (now called Mortuary Affairs) still had to attempt identification of the tank crew members– which was traumatic for many of the soldiers in these companies (30 by the end of WW2). Unlike today, when the bodies of the fallen are returned to the United States immediately, many soldiers KIA in WW2 were buried temporarily close to where they died for later repatriation if the families requested it. The soldiers in the Graves Registration Service had (and their successors in Mortuary Affairs still have) one of the highest rates of PTSD in the Army.
“What is the US fleet to do there?”
I’ll take a stab:
Shoot down Israeli fighter jets if Bibi refuses to stop when “Biden” demands it???
Even Brandon isn’t that stupid, but he’s not in charge anyway.
The Iranian moles in State and DOD would approve. What will General White Rage do? He’s not gone yet.
Steve57: Thanks (with very mixed emotions) for the details and insights on death by fire*. Don’t want to go there; can only imagine how much PTSD ensued among those whose job was to deal with the carnage all the damn time.
We ask a lot of our warriors, and it’s not just about taking a bullet.
Thanks for your service.
*PS: I had heard that the Shermans were vulnerable to “cooking off,” and another macabre nick-name for them was “Ronsons,” as in the cigarette lighter, reputed always to give a light. Black(ened?) humor.
Heard that the Graves Registration Guys were “juice freaks” Viet Nam era speak.
My father was an Infantry platoon leader and occasional company commander until they could find another captain.
Two things his guys absolutely would not do for him. One was go into a burned out tank looking for ID. The other was, eventually, no longer picking up the dead immediately after VE Day combing the woods for the poor leftovers from the last death marches.
The total KIA in Shermans was surprisingly low. Due mostly to the easier emergency exits than in other tanks. Problem is when hit by a heavy shot, some of the armor may be twisted or deformed and jam the hatches.