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  1. Surprised they did not list Selfridge’s (though they did mention Harry Selfridge).

    He established an American-style department store in London at the beginning of the 1900s, and it was long one of the main stores in the city.

    There was a mildly entertaining BBC show by the same name, starring Jeremy Piven as the titular magnate.

  2. I remember Fields from my days as a grad student in Chicago in the early 1970s. Most of it was out of my range as a poor student but the girls loved it when I took them to lunch at the tenth floor restaurant. No reservations and you’d have to wait in line forever, but even proles like me could afford it.

    The ten floor atrium was almost a destination on its own with departments around all four sides and up into what seemed to be the sky, which was a stunning ceiling designed by Tiffany’s. My mother loved to go there when my parents visited from Cleveland.

    The clock outside at State and Washington was famous all on its own. If you told someone you’d meet them at the clock they knew where to go.

  3. An open-thread question that has nothing to do with the gilded age.

    From the beginning of the campaign season, I thought that nobody stood a chance against Trump, but I preferred DeSantis, and I thought he’d do much better than he has. He’s now regressed to irrelevance.

    Does anybody here have a short explanation for his failure?

  4. Re: DeSantis, I’ve wondered the same thing. Seems to me his ‘failure’ is nothing more than a MSM creation.

  5. “gilt” is generally considered to be a superficial decoration jazzing up the ordinary. I wonder if the term “gilded age” has that nuance.

    You don’t gild the lily because the lily all by itself is deeply beautiful, needing no cheap additions.

  6. Thorstein Veblen would have enjoyed these illustrations of his theory of conspicuous consumption.

  7. RE: Who is really trying to get to the truth about UFOs—Dr. Shaun Kirkpatrick, or Major David Grusch?

    It’s pretty obvious that the faction within our government which wants to keep everything about UFOs and our involvement with them secret has been running an 80 year long deception and disinformation campaign.

    It appears that, as part of those efforts, the two high level government officials—one from DOD, one from Naval Intelligence–who offered their dismissive testimony and studied ignorance at the initial contemporary UFO hearing, claimed to not really know much of anything about UFOs, or of the 80 year history of major UFO incidents, as they showed two crappy videos supposedly capturing UFOs.

    It seemed that (or they pretended that) they had far less knowledge about UFOs than any reasonably intelligent person who was immersed in American popular culture, growing up, would have picked up by casually reading an article or two, a book, or watching any movies or TV.

    I’m afraid that Dr. Shaun Kirpatrick, the DOD insider chosen to head ARRO, is continuing that disinformation campaign, with his carefully worded statements about “no credible evidence” being found.

    These first high level government witnesses either were deliberately not informed about UFOs, or they were playing dumb.

    Similarly, according to reports, it looks like the researchers at AARO may have been deliberately handicapped, by not having been given clearances high enough to be “read into” any potential secret crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs that might exist, and that they really need to have access to.

    Thus, they could somewhat honestly say that they had “not yet seen any credible evidence.”

    Moreover, it would be interesting to see what the researchers at ARRO’s criteria for what is “credible evidence” might be.

    P.S. DOS spokeswoman Susan Gough, always in denial mode, released the following statement:

    “The Pentagon “has no information that any individual has been harmed or killed as a result of providing information” about UFO objects, Gough said. Nor has the Pentagon discovered “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.”*

    * See https://fortune.com/2023/07/29/congress-ufos-hearing-uaps-aliens-insulting-pentagon-official-linkedin-page/

  8. Annals of cross-species transition etc.: There is a Japanese man who spent almost $15,000 US to have a realistic collie costume made to fulfill his dream of becoming a dog. He has finally taken his first walk in public and immediately made some canine as well as human friends. Known only as Toco, the man spent two million Yen, or $14,169 on his collie costume. Here is Toco’s most recent video, made about a week ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA4UhxfTwVk

    This example of furry culture reminded me of Gerard, because he had a recurrent series of posts titled “The Japanese: Nuked Too Much or Not Enough?” One had to do with high-style cat toilets, another with an animated cartoon of a children’s snack, a third with photos from the website of a nurse which describes itself as follows: “This site is a free photo material site of a nurse who responded to the demand of 1% maniac customers. Even those who were not satisfied with the material site up to now are satisfied lineup! Please use it if you can use it.”

    https://americandigest.org/the-japanese-nuked-too-much-or-not-enough-the-continuing-if-intermittent-series/

    I think Gerard would have added Toco to his series.

  9. Cornflour at 11:18 asked about DeSantis.

    Like another commenter, I consider much of his slippage as a MSM creation, though not all. Some of it is, I’m certain, Dems telling pollsters that they want Trump (because, well, they do, but not for the same reason Reps), and of course the diehard Trump fans who follow his lead on everything. Two of my close friends just this morning tried to “convert” me to supporting Trump in the primary. And it truly does feel like an attempt at “conversion.” I told them that I will vote for DeSantis in the primary, and for the Republican in the general, and that I will no longer engage in conversations about the election.

  10. For the moment, Vivek is the guy I really like; DeSantis second. All of that may change after debates and more time. Frankly, for the media to be claiming a campaign is dead this early is absurd. Next February, maybe.

  11. When I lived in London I knew that if I couldn’t find something elsewhere then I could go to Harrods and it would likely be there – not that I could necessarily afford it.

    I also wondered why Selfridges on Oxford Street wasn’t included. It was on my walking route from the Embassy (when it was on Grosvenor Square) to home, and I would cut through to grab a snack as I walked. Frankly, though, I never shopped in Selfridges because the music was always way too loud, but the Food Hall was wonderful.

  12. ”Does anybody here have a short explanation for his failure?

    Trump has stated that he despises DeSantis more than anyone on the national stage — more than Obama, more than Hillary, more than Biden — and wants to not just defeat him but to absolutely humiliate him. So the Trumpets are dutifully destroying the man.

    With the Democrats and the Trumpets both waging a war of personal destruction against him, DeSantis doesn’t stand a chance. And neither does the republic.

  13. @ Snow on Pine “not having been given clearances high enough” … Even with appropriate ‘clearances’ they may have been deemed not to have a “need to know”.

  14. I discussed, on another thread, the problem of keeping members of Congress in office when they are pretty obviously unable–due to illness–to carry out the duties of that office, and I mentioned the cases of Mitch McConnell, Dianne Feinstein, and John Fetterman.

    Here is Fetterman, a couple of days ago, in answer to a New York Times reporter’s questions, replying thusly–

    Question: “Does all that political posturing make you cynical about Washington?”

    Answer by Fetterman: “Everyone here is cynical, of course. But we can fight for things that are meaningful. That we should have no hungry. Hanger, Hangry, Hanger, Hangry.”*

    * See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/fetterman-short-circuits-during-interview-new-york-times/

  15. At 12:52 above, make that DOD spokeswoman Susan Gough, not DOS spokeswoman.

  16. I’m with you on V. Ramaswamy, Physics guy. His take on what ails America – a sickness of the spirit, and the wokeness stupidity – I agree with him.

    But . . . one can see how ‘muddied’ one gets when one takes on the powers that be with DeSantis. Ramaswamy identifies this spiritual malaise that took decades in the making. How he would turn things around is the question. It gets messy and you’re gonna make enemies.

    My hope is that his message really resonates, a la Reagan.

  17. “Mr. Selfridge” ran on PBS Masterpiece 2013-2016. I have seen so many great Masterpiece productions; amazing attention to detail, interesting characters, “substance”. A great way to spend cold winter Sunday evenings, or later, as recorded. I am very sad to think that those days are almost surely over. The world in its current state can no longer produce such things. We have lost almost everything that used to make life worth living. (This is just one small example.)

  18. RE: UFOs—

    I note that several people, who I believe are well informed on the subject of UFOs, speak not of one species of Aliens that we here on Earth have to deal with, but of several.

  19. the problem of keeping members of Congress in office when they are pretty obviously unable–due to illness [or age]–to carry out the duties of that office

    The Babylon Bee is on the case: A local family was faced with a difficult decision this week regarding whether to place their beloved grandpa in hospice care or have him announce a campaign for a U.S. Senate seat. The grandfather and potential candidate, Philip Gabbert, is 98 years old and suffers from advanced dementia. “We could really go either way on this,” said Bryce Gabbert of the decision. “He’s in really rough shape and has very little quality of life these days. Common sense says he belongs in hospice, but with the way things are in Washington these days, he could really become a major power player.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/family-torn-between-placing-grandpa-on-hospice-or-having-him-run-for-senate

  20. Why would aliens do “species?” And by what taxonomy, anatomy, or criteria would you speciate said aliens? Ever consider those questions?

    Well informed indeed.

    Oh well, back to Hatters, Hares, Rabbits, Catepillars, C. Cat, and Bill.

  21. See the latest incarnation of the “Climate Change” aka “Global Warming” scam here at the UN.

    Since “Climate Change” didn’t do the job, it was renamed “Global Warming,” and since Global Warming doesn’t sound scary enough, it’s now being renamed/rebranded as “Global Boiling,” this UN scheisskopf taking every instance of normal weather variation, and the usual natural disasters, which occur every year around the globe, exaggerating them, claiming that they are unprecedented and, then, claiming that they are being caused by this supposed “Global Boiling.”*

    * See https://www.frontpagemag.com/un-dont-call-it-global-warming-call-it-global-boiling/

  22. So Obama’s former? personal chef–who can swim–reportedly drowns paddle boarding, in water 8 feet deep, right near Obama’s Martha’s Vineyard mansion, the police records are reportedly missing some critical information*, and several days later Obama shows up to golf with what looks like a a black eye and with two taped fingers.**

    Nothing suspicious here at all, right?

    * See https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/07/obama-chefs-death-not-recorded-in-police-call-log-cops-wont-reveal-second-paddle-boarder-report-says/

    ** See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/obama-spotted-golf-course-injured-fingers-days-after/

  23. Re: UFOs

    An aspect of this phenomena which is given too little recognition is the fact that these UFO sightings and encounters of various degrees are a worldwide phenomenon.

    Moreover, if David Grusch and others are to be believed, there has been, and is a kind of clandestine Cold War playing out—all over the world—as the U.S., Russia, China, and perhaps even other countries scramble to find, to take possession of, and try to reverse engineer crashed alien craft.

    In this scramble for the potentially unlimited power which could come from alien technology— and the potential for unbreakable world dominance that might provide— stakes couldn’t be higher.

  24. VV — it was actually a joint work by ITV and PBS, made to be broadcast on ITV. It premiered on ITV in 2013, and was eventually brought to PBS in 2016.

  25. }}} Since “Climate Change” didn’t do the job, it was renamed “Global Warming,”

    You got that backwards.

  26. Nothing suspicious here at all, right?
    ==
    A member of his staff died in an accident. Tens of thousands of people die in accidents every year.

  27. Robert Fox is an old, well-published author and currently the defense editor at the Evening Standard (London).

    A few days ago, he held forth on what his sources are saying on Putin’s War in Ukraine with The Times podcast.

    First, touch and go negotiations have been held intermittently.

    But now war exhaustion in both sides has set in. Thus, another winter at war us off the table.

    Fox’s remaining interview outlines a settlement plan that neither side could embrace — until now and soon to come, he claims.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUunEi3bOwo

  28. Sunday Open Thread: Russo-Ukraine War. Robert Fox tells some what they want to hear? Time will tell.

    The Black Sea & The Naval War in Ukraine – Drones, Grain, Blockades & the Bridge to Crimea – Perun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D7ioiW0JA

    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 — The Black Sea
    00:01:29 — What Am I Talking About?
    00:03:42 — The Black Sea Campaign To 2023
    00:10:39 — The Bridge
    00:18:58 — The Grain Deal
    00:24:19 — Cutting The Lifeline?
    00:36:42 — Grain, Markets, Politics
    00:42:40 — Impacting The Players?
    00:50:23 — Alternative Options
    00:56:51 — A New Theatre Of War?
    00:59:00 — Conclusions
    01:00:17 — Channel Update

    And in other threat environments, Wagner through Belarus is playing mind games with Poland and Lithuania (and NATO) regarding the Suwalki corridor to Kaliningrad. Nothing to see.

    But a bonus (if short):

    1 Unexpected Way Ukraine’s Maritime Drones Are Influencing Warfare – H I Sutton

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8R0gCq8rAA

    Ukrainian marine drones attack the Sevastopol harbor and the Kerch Straits bridge. What’s not to like, eh Vlad?

  29. RE: Reverse Engineering UFOs

    If we have, indeed, had possession of UFOs, and have been trying to reverse engineer them,—for some 80 years now— what progress has been made?

    Some people talk about there being “alien reproduction vehicles,” which presumes that we have, indeed, been able to reproduce—if not to understand—some level of alien technology.

    But, I have no idea if this is true.

    However, it has been said that, in order to keep these crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs so secret, the pool of scientists who have been able to get high enough clearance to work on this reverse engineering effort has been very limited, which might have had the result of severely limiting progress.

    Stanford scientist Dr. Garry Nolan has pointed out that allowing the scientific community, and especially it’s best minds, to work on this problem is likely to result in a lot more and faster progress.

  30. Sow on Pine:

    (Corrected) Analyzing UFO Misinformation – An Intelligence Approach – Ryan McBeth

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQYnp9L9u

    No timestamps are available, so here is his summary and sources;


    “Based on the analysis, I believe that there is almost no chance (a 0-5% chance) that intelligent life has visited Earth.
    1. There seems to be a scarcity of life.
    2. Earth may be difficult to detect.
    3. The motivation of an alien to travel to Earth may be limited to defense – which means that the only reason we are alive as a species is that we havn’t been visted.

    Special thanks to:
    Dr. Oisín Creaner, Assistant Professor in Physical Sciences at Dublin City University
    Professor Marco Thiel, PhD, University of Aberdeen (UK)
    Andy Silber, PhD
    PhD Student Robin Mentel, University College Dublin
    PhD Student Ethan from Northumbria University.
    PhD Student Roland Timmerman from Leiden Observatory
    Keane Halls from Bangor University
    Scott Madison, a “Smarty-Pants” from New Mexico Tech
    Ryan Frazee, Cosmologist, University of Kansas
    And Brian Drourr, professional astrophotographer

    Any mistakes I have made are solely my own.”

    Ryan McBeth”

    om comment:

    Water off a duck. Whack, whack.

    Knowing how to blockquote the content from Ryan McBeth would be handy, but it’s not my day job.

  31. Re: Reverse engineering UFOs

    This has been kicking around for decades. One would think that if some nation had successfully done so, we would see some huge discontinuous jumps in technology, particularly related to air/space craft. Possibly even world-dominating weapons.

    However, while we have developed tech that would look like magic to humans 500 years ago, everything I know of — like semiconductors and computers — have human pedigrees.

  32. Huxley—Of course, the idea that some small select group of people who might have started out legit, but then managed to reverse engineer alien technology in the deepest secrecy–gone rogue, their activities thereafter unknown and unreported to the normal authorities–and, since then, have been pursuing their own ends, separate from our main civilization—unlimited energy, their own “secret space program,” bases on the moon, and elsewhere in our solar system, routine travel to other solar systems—has been proposed as a possibility by long time UFO historian and analyst, Richard Dolan, who calls this a ”Breakaway Civilization” ”

    Dolan, by the way, has been studying the UFO phenomenon for more than 30 years, has written several books about the UFO phenomenon, among them well a well regarded series of books chronicling the history of the Federal government’s involvement with UFOs, and is not some wild-eyed, arms windmilling, ranting, crazy type, but from what I have observed, seems to be be a very intelligent, rational, very articulate, well-spoken, and well-informed person.

    If such a breakaway civilization did exist, it would certainly have, to coin a phrase, “every incentive in the world” to keep everything about UFOs and their activities as secret as possible, and the actual authorities and the public uninformed, in the dark, confused, and misdirected. *

    So, if some of the UFOs we see flying around are not actual aliens but ships–alien reproduction vehicles? from a breakaway civilization, what kind of interactions do the members of this supposed breakaway civilization have with the real aliens?

    * See https://www.facebook.com/reel/517417719925570

    and for a much more in depth exploration of this idea see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsPIBD6plBg

  33. RE: Reverse engineering alien technology

    One approach which has been mentioned by several sources is that, in the face of alien technology which–given current scientific theories and knowledge–is impossible to understand or to even replicate, the strategy is to work on reverse engineering for some specific amount of time, and if no real progress can be made, to put the alien technology aside for a period of years and, then, to bring it out and start to work on it again–hoping that the scientific progress in the intervening years will make some understanding and breakthroughs possible, and to keep repeating the cycle hoping that, eventually, some breakthrough will occur.

  34. you need to show me something much more advanced than highly maneuverable craft, assume they are explorers like magellan or columbus, but the distances are magnitutudes greater,

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