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Open thread 7/27/23 — 38 Comments

  1. I just found out that Edward Teller (father of the H bomb) didn’t believe in CAGW. Neither does the 2022 Nobel Prize winner in Physics.

  2. I’ve been begging a girl to marry me. Is this always a bad move? I’m in a hurry. I’m 60. She’s I think 24

  3. wonderful steve

    they don’t seem to make too many like hogan anymore, it’s more like the lumberjack song,

  4. The deal blew up yesterday, but we have not heard the last of it. This should be enough to get the Republicans to impeach attorney general Merrick.Garland

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2023/07/27/on-the-same-team-doj-exposed-for-colluding-with-hunter-bidens-legal-team-n2626267

    It's been 24-hours since Hunter Biden entered a Delaware courtroom expecting to walk away without jail time and a codification of his sweetheart plea deal offered by the Department of Justice — wiping away felony tax fraud and a felony gun charge with minor misdemeanors and a diversion program.
    As he entered the courtroom, Mr. Biden drew a deep breath and plunged forward to greet the prosecutors who investigated him for five years with handshakes and a smile,” the New York Times reported about the scene.
    But after asking just a few simple questions, U.S. District Court Judge Maryellen Noreika torpedoed the whole thing and exposed DOJ's collusion with the Hunter Biden legal team to evade more serious charges in the future.

  5. Hard to believe that after 200 plus years of this dance form, that ballet shoes have not been invented that can be just slipped on; sort of like, say, running shoes or figure/speed skating boots or cycling shoes, etc.

    Check this out:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLWBlzzCFEI

    shows how ballet shoes are made; quite the process.

  6. Cornhead,

    While that may look like good news, it is really just an argument by authority and should be avoided in connection with scientific argument. Though, I guess we could say CAGW has never really been about science anyway. I would also avoid “believe in”. That phrase belongs more in religion than science. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine when dealing with science and scientists.

    Now, since the real issue is political rather than scientific, I guess the more “big voices” speak out, the better.

  7. The simple 2024 strategy of the Democrats and their media is for the Republicans to nominate Trump. They are aided willingly by the always Trumper‘s. Here’s the full story on the recent flap about RFK Junior. The question and DeSantis’ answer. Much different than the DeSantis opponents are portraying.

    Travis: If Trump picked RFK Jr. as a potential vice-presidential candidate — crazy idea? If you were president, if you were the nominee, would you consider RFK Jr. as a running mate, or—

    DeSantis: Here’s the issue. Like, I’m aligned with him on Fauci and the corruption in the health bureaucracies 100 percent. And I think he’s also said some other thing that I agree with, too. But at the end of the day, he’s more liberal, very liberal on some [issues]. He used to say, I don’t know if he still believes this, that if you deny climate change, you should go to jail. Things like that. So it’s like, conservative voters, you know, they would want those positions flushed out. He opposed the affirmative-action ruling, to say you can’t racially discriminate, on that he would have wanted that to remain. So, I just think that at the end of the day, you need somebody that is going to reflect the values of the broad coalition. Yes, the medical stuff, I’m very good on that. So that does appeal to me. But there’s a whole host of other things that he’d probably be out of step with. And so on that regard, it’s like, okay, if you’re president, sic him on the FDA if he’d be willing to serve, or sic him on CDC. But in terms of being veep, there’s 70 percent of the issues he may be adverse to our base on. That just creates an issue.

  8. aliens or global warming, what is the bigger stretch of the imagination, one is a gold mine for grift, the other is kins of a curio thing,

  9. I dunno, miguel. Why should ANYONE have to choose?
    Me? I firmly believe that it’s the aliens that have causing global warming/climate change/AGW—whatever you wanna call it—all along. (They no doubt have a different name for it on Alpha Centauri, anyway…)

    Probably what they do when they’re bored—like kids, boys usually, with a magnifying glass on a hot summer’s day…

    Hey! Speaking of twofers!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_AW3bUxumI
    (I likes me’ conspiracy theories bargain-rate…)

  10. Re: Physicists v. Climate Change

    I’d like to throw shout-outs to Freeman Dyson and Hal Lewis on this score. They are heroes to me.

    We don’t remember Dyson in quite the same terms as the more flamboyant Richard Feynman, but they were in the same cohort and Dyson has his share of accolades, including being among the first to get the importance of Feynman Diagrams.
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    Dyson disagreed with the scientific consensus on climate change. He believed that some of the effects of increased CO2 levels are favourable and not taken into account by climate scientists, such as increased agricultural yield, and further that the positive benefits of CO2 likely outweigh the negative effects.[11][12][13] He was skeptical about the simulation models used to predict climate change, arguing that political efforts to reduce causes of climate change distract from other global problems that should take priority.</b?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson
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    Lewis wasn’t as big a fish, but he was still a serious fellow. His break with American Physics Society over climate change is wonderfully explicit.
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    Harold (“Hal”) Warren Lewis (born October 1, 1923[1] – May 26, 2011[2]) was an American Emeritus Professor of Physics and former department chairman at the University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB). He was chairman of the JASON Defense Advisory Group from 1966 to 1973, and was active in US government investigations into safety of nuclear reactors.

    In his 1990 book Technological Risk he warned of the risks of global warming. In 2010, after 67 years of membership, he resigned from the American Physical Society, citing what he saw as “the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Lewis

  11. Writing my earlier comment, I noticed Lewis was a chairman of the JASON Defense Advisory Group. I know Dyson was a member.

    I’ve never been entirely clear about JASON beyond it had some serious scientific firepower and looked at interesting problems.
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    JASON is an independent group of elite scientists which advises the United States government on matters of science and technology, mostly of a sensitive nature.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASON_(advisory_group)

  12. One of the things I dislike about the UFO hearings is that they’re allowing this guy, who as far as I can tell is a former government official providing hearsay evidence, to call himself a “whistleblower.” I wonder if that term is being used in part to discredit the IRS whistleblowers.

  13. physicsguy:

    I brought it up to counter the “consensus” argument of the Left.

  14. It’s ALWAYS the modeling.

    Remember that English expert dude who modeled all kinds of deaths until he was forced to say, well, looks like I might have exaggerated a bit there….
    Never told anyone, though, that his think-tank or university department (such as it was or whatever it was) was being funded by the CPC! Or that, while adamantly ordering people to mask up and stay in lockdown, he’d scoot off from time to time to keep his squeeze from being too frightfully lonely—yeah, real thoughtful guy—till he was caught.)

  15. Re: Mick Jagger

    Barry Mesilin:

    There was a Jagger doco from 2002 with the fun title: “Being Mick: You Would if You Could.”

    I admit it.

    “Oh, who’s that at the door? Pete Townshend dropping by? Hullo, Pete.”

  16. Being Mick, eh?
    Well, he IS a unique specimen—and oh-so-talented—isn’t he…but um, no thanks…

    File under: Being and Nothingness….

  17. For Steve57:
    Arnold, a wealthy 60 yr old, came to the bar with his gorgeous raven-haired 25 yr old wife!
    Benjamin, another regular at that bar, pulled Arnold aside: “Arnie, how did you convince her to marry you?”
    Arnie: “I lied about my age!”
    Benny: “You said you are 45?”
    Arnie: “I told her I was 90.”

  18. Cornhead,

    The 97% consensus argument was destroyed by an article by Larry Bell in Forbes around 2012 I believe. There’s also the Oregon Petition with somewhere north of 30k scientists signing (myself included). A lot of good all of that did as the whole CAGW just keeps rolling along. Trying to counter the climate cult with reason and consensus just doesn’t seem to work at all. Until people’s cars are dead in the street and their homes have no power, they’ll just keep believing. Very sad……

  19. Could be that experience of having no power will come this summer, physicsguy. But they’ll find something else to blame, not their own insane power generation policies.

  20. HOW WILL THE DEMOCRATS STEAL THE NEXT ELECTION? Without a landslide, probably the same way they did in 2022. When a red wave met surprise turnout.

    Under the guise of enacting Civil Rights legislation, Biden has managed to supercharge Democrat turnout by ORDERING some 600 federal agencies to make it so by secret Executive Order.

    LONG details, here
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/conservatives-fight-secretive-biden-voting-order-bidenbucks-federal-zuckbucks-steroids

    I’ve been following this story since August last year. Congress must begin investigations into this Deep State/Administrative State’s federal Weaponization.

  21. Sarah Rolphe–I believe that you have to meet certain legal criteria to have actual “whistleblower” status, and since Grusch has applied for such status with the Intelligence Community Inspector General, and has been given that status–based on both his many hours of testimony under oath, and the testimony of other supporting witnesses–also under oath, I think that Grusch is a genuine “whistleblower.”

    Moreover, the Intelligence Community IG characterized Grusch’ claims as both “credible and urgent,” and passed these claims, this case, on to Congress.

    P.S. Grusch has also submitted his information to the DOD Inspector General.

  22. physicsguy on July 27, 2023 at 4:39 pm said:

    Cornhead,

    The 97% consensus argument was destroyed by an article by Larry Bell in Forbes around 2012 I believe.
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    physicsguy & Cornhead:

    I think that there are two or three different papers that are typically cited to support the 97% consensus argument. It’s been a long time ago, but I’ve read the papers, thought they were terrible, and never should have been published in scientific journals.

    At any rate, I was curious to read Bell’s take on the mess, so I searched for the article. I’m pretty sure it was entitled “Yes, The Overheated Climate Crisis Debate Is Settled. So Chill Out And Relax,” which was published in Forbes on 12/3/2013. Unfortunately, Forbes has blocked open access to its articles, so I had to use archive.org.

    If anybody else wants to read Bell’s op/ed, here’s a link to the archive.org version: https://tinyurl.com/2p845r9u

    End of public service(?) announcement.

  23. Cornflour:

    Thanks for the Forbes climate change archive link. Downloaded.

    Google and the web have become so censored, hard and soft, that there is much stuff that used to be out there somewhere, but I can no longer find.

  24. OFOs or UAPs are in the news. Some people have seen things they can’t explain. There are rumors of the government having possession of UFO craft with non-human remains. The government remains secretive. So, what gives?

    Here’s my take:
    1. If there are alien craft visiting, they surely have technology we don’t. The nearest inhabitable planet is 11,000 years away traveling at light speed. That’s a loooong trip.
    2. So far, none of these alien craft have attacked anyone.
    3. If the government has custody of a/many UFOIs, where were they found and how did they transport them without anyone seeing anything?
    4. If the government has knowledge of alien spacecraft flying around Earth, my guess is that they would not want to panic the population by announcing their presence. People are panicked about climate change. How much worse would announcing alien spaceships are looking at us and we can’t do anything about it?
    5. I spent 38 years as a pilot, both Navy and airline flying. I saw two UAPs during that time. One was the tail cone of a rocket launched out of Vandenberg Air Force Base. I was over Elko, Navada at34,000 feet, heading west at about 1am when suddenly a shiny disc-shaped object appeared dead ahead. It seemed to be traveling at a high rate of speed away from me. It was in sight for about three minutes and then disappeared. I reported it to air traffic control and soon received a report about the missile launch. It was the tail cone of the rocket that appeared to be disc-shaped. It was traveling away at a high rate of speed and soon went over the horizon out of sight.
    The other one was a bright green light that appeared out over the Gulf of Mexico when I was night flying officer at NAAS Whiting Field. I sent a pilot up to take a look at it. At 35,000 feet it was still much higher. And it moved suddenly, changing course much more rapidly than a normal airplane. We reported it to Eglin Air Force Base, which was nearby and was known to have sophisticated radars. They reported back that it was one of their experimental UAVs. We didn’t ever see it again. End of story.

    I’m skeptical that there are alien spaceships observing us. But I’m ready to be convinced by real evidence.

  25. They come here to be entertained.
    Obviously.
    (This is one whacky, whacked out place.
    Name another in the universe like it.)

  26. like south park described, we’re the longest running series (till we discover it, then get the bud light treatment,

    the fact that few outlets mentioned the sdny stand on on ftx makes me think that this was a giant squirrel

  27. My UFO story: I was setting up for astro lab on the roof of the physics building just around sunset. It was one of those orange/red glow sunsets. As I was adjusting one of the student ‘scopes I looked up to see 3 orange disks in a perfect triangular formation silently, and very quickly flying west. I was shocked and dumbfounded. As the thought passed through my head…”well, I guess I have seen UFOs”, from the formation came the distinctive sound of a Canadian goose honk. 3 geese flying in formation at just the right altitude so that the sunset glow reflected off their underbelly and nothing else of their bodies could be seen. Just a perfect set of circumstance.

    A guy testifying before Congress is still hearsay evidence. Maybe “they” are here, maybe not. Maybe they know how to make stable wormholes for superluminal travel. I need a real first contact to be convinced “they” are here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKGv6uvvQ4c&t=8s

  28. JJ–

    I’ve come to believe that UFOs are real objects- and very likely objects that are not of human origin–due to a number of their observed characteristics, which have been observed not only by highly trained observers but, more importantly, by various civilian and military surveillance systems–

    Speed—measured/calculated in some cases as high as 30,000 mph—not anywhere near what current human tech can generate.

    No control surfaces—no wings, no apparent engines, no heat signature, no exhaust, no sound. We humans don’t have anything like this.

    Maneuverability—the ability to silently hover–sometimes for hours at a time—and to perform multiple darting motions, and instant right angle turns, maneuvers which would generate several hundred or even thousands of Gs (the most specially suited human pilots can currently withstand, before they blackout and have physical damage, is reportedly 9 Gs, the most Gs our best fighter aircraft can withstand before breaking up is reported to be 15 Gs).

    Transmedium travel–The ability of the same craft to operate in space, then, travel down through our atmosphere, and, finally to dive into our oceans and travel through them at speeds no human vessels can even come close to.

    Energy generation and usage—some of these craft have been observed by military sensors at the top of these sensor’s range of 83,000 feet–at the edge of space (and likely coming from a lot further out in actual space)—then diving down to the surface of the ocean in 0.73 seconds.

    One calculation is that to perform just this maneuver alone would take the equivalent of all of the energy used by New York City in a year. See the calculations of physicist Dr. Keven Knuth at SUNY at Albany.

    I’ve been looking at the evidence for more than several years now and, the more I look, the more complicated it gets.

    There are many possibilities for who or what the beings controlling these objects are:

    In the simplest case, we could be looking at beings who are strictly extraterrestrial in origin or, alternatively, beings who originated here on Earth—in very remote times and on a parallel evolutionary track–who are now just showing themselves, or becoming visible to our most advanced sensors, or beings who are human but are products of an ancient, much more advanced prior civilization, or time travelers–beings from our remote past or far future, or beings from a higher, possibly coterminous dimension, beings who are able to slip in and out of our three dimensional world, or they could be something that we would find totally incomprehensible.

    We could also possibly be dealing with machine intelligences. See the idea of Von Neumann probes.

    From the different reports of close encounters, it also appears that we could be dealing with beings from a number of different species, each with it’s own agenda and way of operating; Earth a sort of Grand Central Station in our area of the Milky Way Galaxy.

    There are actually a couple of reports of hostile actions against humans, but there are emerging reports—see the reports of Stanford’s Dr. Garry Nolan’s analysis of medical effects–that people who come in close proximity to UAPs suffer not only psychological consequences, but also detectable physical damage, which is apparently not deliberate.

    As for why these beings might be visiting—perhaps our “human comedy” is entertaining for perhaps bored and jaded beings who might be ancient and virtually immortal, or we’re Jerry Springer to some Aliens, and videos of our antics a source of revenue, or we have something these visitors want and need—particular elements or minerals, cultural artifacts–Art, music, literature, ancient artifacts, crafts, potential slaves, or they are here merely to observe and not to interfere—a la the “Prime Directive,” or they are totally benevolent and here to to “help” us, or it’s scouting now, takeover later, etc., etc.

    Jacques Vallee, a very intelligent and acute French observer of half a century UFO phenomena, believes that the many “absurd” activities of UFOs are, in fact, training us, a psychological “control mechanism,” one designed to push human civilizations and consciousness in certain directions.

    I am pursuaded that Lou Elizondo, the former head of the DOD’s AATIP program, is telling the truth in the things he has said about the UFO phenomenon, and he has warned that we might not be at the top of the food chain as we imagine ourselves to be, that there might be some entities which are higher on that food chain, and possibly more evolved than we are.

    Elizondo has also talked about things being “somber,” and that we may need to reevaluate our position in the Universe.

    As for how any possible crashed, or even intact UFOs, could be transported to wherever they are being hidden at, how many times, on the road, have you seen some large object—covered with a tarp—on a flatbed, passing in the lane next to your car?

    (Are you aware that the Federal government has a whole fleet of special trucks which routinely travel our highways, transporting nuclear materials/weapons from one location to the other?)

    A multitude of what I believe to be credible testimonies and many decades worth of leaked government documents have also convinced me that there is both a government cover up, and a parallel disinformation campaign.

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