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Open thread 3/4/23 — 47 Comments

  1. The Morse code for the letter O is dash-dash-dash. Three dashes, not two. When I see such a fundamental error in an article, I pretty much discount the rest of it. Fail.

  2. Kenya was colonized by omani traders for about 300 years, so its all a matter of perspective

  3. 1844 American Morse code used dash dash for O. International Morse of 1865 used dash dash dash.

  4. you had researched his mother’s family tree and found no such thing.

    I’ve done a partial effort and said as much. So far, what I’ve found is that some persons in Stanley Armour Dunham’s pedigree lived in Berkeley County, Va. (now, West Virginia) for a generation or so. The population center of Berkeley County is about 25 miles from the Pennsylvania border and the population in the peribellum era was about 9% black / mulatto. Otherwise everyone I’ve found was settled in free states. I’ve found one person who had a ‘free person of color’ living in his household ca. 1830, but no slaves.

    One thing that hits me is that I have yet to find an immigrant in Ann Dunham’s pedigree. It’ll take a while to finish.

  5. It wouldn’t be surprising for a Muslim in East Africa to have had ancestors who held slaves. Or, for that matter, for a non-Muslim; slavery has been a longstanding habit there as well as in many other places.

  6. On VDH and Neo’s advice been looking for Triumph Forsaken. Thought had a book order used but was out of stock so got canceled the next day by seller. Taking note prices for it have gone up every day which doesn’t help me. Definitely want paper copy rather than ebook for this.

  7. Another thing about “ok” not mentioned in the video is that it seems (on my casual observation) to have spread around the world to non-English speakers, more than any other word I’m aware of in any language. I’ve wondered whether there’s something about the anatomy of speaking the word that makes it so successful. You inhale slightly with the ‘o’ and than more forcefully exhale on the ‘k’, which releases tension. Also the sounds involved (long o, long a, and the k sound) are in virtually every language. Just a thought, ok?

  8. yes the cognate in spanish, ‘esta bien’ it’s all right, not exactly a match, probably similar with other language roots

  9. Well, for once an official-sounding explanation supports my naive recall about “Oll Korrect.”

    Of course, we French speakers just say “d’accord.” 🙂

  10. So tonight at Chez Huxley the French film is “A Summer’s Tale” by Eric Rohmer.

    About all I knew about Rohmer was Gene Hackman’s much-quoted line as an LA detective in “Night Moves” (1975) that a Rohmer film was “like watching paint dry.”

    I understand. Granted. Conceded.

    Yet it was so perfect in its ordinariness and in just how foolish we all are (I imagine) in our 20s.

    Recommended.

  11. Well, I guess now we know….
    “Prince Harry says psychedelics are ‘fundamental’ part of his life”—
    https://pagesix.com/2023/03/04/prince-harry-psychedelics-are-fundamental-part-of-life/
    (May remind one of SBF’s—former(?)—squeeze…she of the “Can’t imagine going through life unmedicated” persuasion…)

    Meanwhile… “Alas, poor [Meghan]”…
    ” Meghan Markle Was ‘Surprised And Disappointed’ That Prince Harry ‘Had Very Little Money’ “—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/02/28/meghan-markle-was-surprised-and-disappointed-that-prince-harry-had-very-little-money/

    File under: “Good GOD, sweet prince…”

  12. Harry, formerly known as Prince, has some kind of consulting contract on mental wellness. Some role model, dependent upon psychedelics to function.

  13. Compare and contrast:
    “Biden’s Executive Order Nightmare: Government Will Track Every Dime You Spend”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bidens-executive-order-nightmare-government-will-track-every-dime-you-spend
    “The Attack Of The Subversive Elites”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/attack-subversive-elites
    “Biden Sets Israel on Fire;
    “U.S. support for demonstrations in Tel Aviv isn’t about the future of Israel’s judiciary. It’s about handcuffing Israel while Iran gets the bomb.”—
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/biden-sets-israel-on-fire

    Hey, remember Ukraine…?
    (And Monster Inflation? Covid-19? The energy crisis? Climate change? Russiagate? Massive USGOV-sponsored censorship? Jan. 6? The borders? CRT? DEI? Education? Supply chains? Neutralizing the Military? Crime in our cities? Stolen elections? Fentanyl? Tranq? Train disasters? Truck disasters? EV coercion? Electric stove/oven coercion? CHINA???…and the—MOST IMPRESSIVE—list goes on…and on…and on.)

    There’s a reason for it…

  14. well wilson didn’t believe in natural rights, as his instructors at john hopkins, he was a racial revanchist, (dubois’s endorsement was the first of many such category errors) certainly biden showed evidence of the second characteristic,
    and has exhibited tendencies of the first, is he merely a fool, I would say this is much more in the enemy action, of whoever has foisted him on us, like the zients/rice/malley triumvirate,

  15. “Open thread, Ukraine war, OK?”

    I’m not saying YouTube guy is wrong about anything. You can find some pretty informed and insightful people on the platform. But a year into a war that was cheerleaded and promoted by almost EVERYONE in America’s political and media elite and om now has to go to YouTube guy to find stuff supporting his “fight to the last Ukrainian” position.

    Not the New York Times. Not the Washington Post. Not NBC News. Not CNN. Not MSNBC. Nope. YouTube guy has become om’s go-to-source of information on our proxy war with a country that has almost 6,000 nuclear warheads.

    That’s kind of weird, isn’t it?

    Mike

  16. and of course, drum roll please, today it’s shambling in selma pushing vote fraud,

  17. Thanks for sharing Bunge.

    One year plus and Vlad has sent 150,000 Russians to an early grave and a lesser number of Ukrainians, but
    you be you.

    You are aware who the “fight to the last Ukrainian” empowers? Not Ukrainians.

    Don’t be a Bunge.

  18. “Not the New York Times. Not the Washington Post. Not NBC News. Not CNN. Not MSNBC. Nope.” — This is a list of sources I wouldn’t trust on much of anything these days. I don’t know about the You Tube guy, but it’s hard to be less biased and more unreliable than this list.

  19. Kate:

    Bunge’s view from the bunker. Has he mentioned before that he’s terrified of Putin?

    Perun lists sources, novel concept.

    Oh well, time to trundle, then walk the doggies. 52 degrees, sunny, Sunday.

  20. And just east of LA….
    https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/help-us-southern-california-mountain-residents-go-survival-mode-after-snowpocalypse

    Speaking of snowjobpocalypses…
    …here’s Turley:
    “Washington Post: Yes, The Biden Loan Forgiveness May Be Unconstitutional But…”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/washington-post-yes-biden-loan-forgiveness-may-be-unconstitutional
    …but hey, so what!
    ‘The Washington Post is now admitting that President Joe Biden’s college loan forgiveness plan is unconstitutional, but it insists that the “the court shouldn’t stop him.”…
    ‘…The Post previously ran opinion pieces saying that Biden clearly has this authority, but this is an opinion piece from the editors themselves on the subject.
    ‘The Post now admits with some of us that Biden “overreached” in his use of the HEROES Act to allow him to unilaterally cancel roughly 500 billion dollars in loan debts. ‘Executive “overreach” is a common reference to exceeding the authority afforded by Article II. The Post describes the action as “bad” and without congressional approval. Of course, giving away half a trillion dollars without congressional approval was the type of unilateral action that the Framers sought to prevent in giving Congress the power of the pursue. In other words, it is not just “bad.” It is unconstitutional.
    ‘President Biden is using a law designed to help service members and their families deal with debt accrued in fighting for this country….’

    Well, “Biden” fighting (to destroy the country) so there is, at least, that common denominator…

  21. Om: glad you enjoyed “Colonel Blimp” and that it kept you entertained while you were donating platelets. I think it’s a great movie. That opinion was not shared by my Friday night movie group, all of whom–to a person–hated it or found it boring. It is pretty long.

    Huxley: I’ve never seen Rohmer’s “A Summer’s Tale”. I’ll check it out–it sounds like my cup of tea. I have seen “Night Moves”, however. Enjoyed it.

  22. @MBunge

    I’m not saying YouTube guy is wrong about anything. You can find some pretty informed and insightful people on the platform. But a year into a war that was cheerleaded and promoted by almost EVERYONE in America’s political and media elite and om now has to go to YouTube guy to find stuff supporting his “fight to the last Ukrainian” position.

    Firstly: that’s a hell of a lot better than the sources you provided. Which are generally very scant and often outright wrong.

    I had to rip apart one of your sources which among other things regurgitated the rather dumb and gullible “oh the Russian economy is totally doing fine because it didn’t collapse ina matter of months” strawman. Which ironically the Russian government’s economists don’t agree with.

    Not the New York Times. Not the Washington Post. Not NBC News. Not CNN. Not MSNBC. Nope. YouTube guy has become om’s go-to-source of information on our proxy war with a country that has almost 6,000 nuclear warheads.
    That’s kind of weird, isn’t it?

    Firstly: It is rather remarkable you are trying to play up the respectability and reliability of those outlets to this crowd. That’s kind of weird, isn’t it, “Mike”? Not just on a personal level (since I don’t think you actually believe the NYT is a particularly reliable source of info), but also given how it is not like our host Neo wrote multiple different posts on the MSM doing third exact same stuff, such as lies regarding Vietnam.

    In any case, Perun is not infallible, and I disagree with some of their analysis, but at least he admits he is fallible. He does not have the same track record of grotesque dishonesty, unethical conduct, and stupidity that have accrued around the NYT, WaPo, NBC, and MSNBC.

    And frankly eclectic commenters and analysts have had a far better track record over the past decades than the regular mediocrity-to-godawfulness of the MSM. As I am pretty sure you know.

    Oh also: “proxy war with a county of 6,000 nuclear warheads”-

    A: we’ve had several proxy wars with regimes ruling that country before, many of which were initiated by the Kremlin (remember Georgia in 2008?)

    B: Funny how we all talk about how many nuclear weapons Russia has while ignoring how both India and China explicitly told Russia that using them in Ukraine would be unacceptable, and in the former case I have no reason to doubt their sincerity.

    And since you apparently have issues with YouTube sources, here are a few.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2022/09/23/india-and-china-finally-voicing-concerns-over-russias-actions-in-ukraine/amp/

    https://m.thewire.in/article/diplomacy/quad-nuclear-weapons-ukraine-war-russia/amp

    https://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/china-calls-for-ceasefire-in-ukraine-opposes-use-of-nuclear-weapons/amp_articleshow/98200567.cms

    You think the nuclear taboo, Russia’s most important strategic ally, and one of the most important Russian markets and neutrals opposing even threats of nukes MIGHT be relevant to strategic discussions of the proxy war? Probably even more relevant than the exact number of nuclear warheads Russia is reported to have?

    Oh, but you get to insult me when you disagree with analogies I and others draw from history in the 1930s. While insisting we study history because apparently you are the only one to have done so successfully.

    In spite of how you have to shift goal posts such as how you went from complaining that not every bad guy is Hitler to condemning analogies to the 1930s in general when I pointed out the other parallels to bad guys that were not Hitler.

    “Mike”, you would be a lot more tolerable if you were more honest in your arguments, more coherent in what you claimed, and less of a condescending asshole all around.

  23. We are dealing with a proscribed media mis disinfo drew it up, over here we have a creel committee 2.0, a szsgy of government and private power.

  24. “I had to rip apart one of your sources which among other things regurgitated the rather dumb and gullible “oh the Russian economy is totally doing fine because it didn’t collapse ina matter of months” strawman.”

    Uh…talk about a strawman. I’ve NEVER said the Russian economy is “totally doing fine.” NEVER. Stating I have IS A LIE.

    I have pointed out that we were told the Russian economy was going to be fatally crippled by sanctions. Yet a year later, we’re now being told the Russia/Ukraine war is shaping up to be a stalemate…something that would require the Russian economy to be relatively functional not only now but for the foreseeable future.

    I also object to historical references to the 1930s because they’re being done solely for self-righteous emotionalism and we all know they’re being done for self-righteous emotionalism because the people making the references seem to disregard any and all other historical examples.

    And I mention “news” outlets like the New York Times not because they’re truthful and reliable. They’re obviously not. But I think the point I was making was fairly clear. Almost the entire political and media establishment was super-duper supportive of America getting massively involved in the Russia/Ukraine war. Yet a year later, people who “want to fight to the last Ukrainian” cannot rely on those establishment media sources for information/analysis on the conflict. They’ve got to turn to YouTube Guy. You don’t find that weird? Mitch Frickin’ McConnell and others tell us Ukraine is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE WORLD, yet the mainstream news coverage of it is so spotty and shallow that YouTube Guy is who we have to rely on?

    And, seriously? The threat of possible nuclear retaliation by the U.S. and NATO isn’t enough to deter Putin…but upsetting China and India will be? That’s the sort of foolishness you pull out of your behind when you simply can’t come up with anything else to explain why it was appropriate to worry about nuclear confrontation with the USSR but completely unnecessary to worry about nuclear confrontation with Russia.

    And just for the future, one of the things that makes me salty is that I’ll post something like “I’m not saying YouTube Guy is wrong about anything. You can find some pretty informed and insightful people on the platform” and then get accused of attacking the credibility or accuracy of YouTube Guy WHEN I SPECIFICALLY DID NO SUCH THING.

    Mike

  25. Bunge resorts to all caps. I don’t cite the NYT, Bunge; a last resort of a scoundrel, but you can’t help yourself.

    “And just for the future …” Sad.

  26. Bunge resorts to all caps. I don’t cite the NYT, Bunge; a last resort of a scoundrel, but you can’t help yourself.

    “Massively involved ….” is impassively uninterested too dangerous Bunge? After all Vlad has over 5999 nukes, with one specifically for you.

    “And just for the future …” Sad.

  27. Bunge:

    Turtler may have another long school session for you.

    But about your latest fabrication you attest possibly to me:

    “And I mention “news” outlets like the New York Times not because they’re truthful and reliable. They’re obviously not. But I think the point I was making was fairly clear. Almost the entire political and media establishment was super-duper supportive of America getting massively involved in the Russia/Ukraine war. Yet a year later, people who “want to fight to the last Ukrainian” cannot rely on those establishment media sources for information/analysis on the conflict. They’ve got to turn to YouTube Guy. You don’t find that weird?’

    No Bunge, you are weird, and aggressive.

    Is that me you are referring to Bunge? Because you are repeating a Russian talking point, “fighting to the last Ukrainian” and attributing it to me. That is dishonest and pathetic. But it is Bunge.

    I don’t cite the NYT because it is not reliable. Get that Bunge? Can you wrap your head around that? I don’t cite the Quincy Institute either, guess why. I link to cdrsalamander, Perun, Anders Puck Nielsen, Millitary History Not visualized, TIKHistory, Military Aviation History.

    You cite Bunge mostly. And speak mostly Bunge.

  28. Youre smart enough to know why bunge and brittain and my friend brian have reservations about this conflict that need not have happened

  29. Miguel you may not be smart enough to admit the Vlad chose this war.

    Geoffrey gave up on the 13 minutes and NATO long ago.

    Brian E gave up on the Ukrainians are Nazis/Azov and may yet give up on Saint Yanukovitch.

    When you choose to link up with Bunge, well, you be you. A “conflict that need not have happened” is particularly unique. ls “Roosia wants”
    too difficult to own, Senor?

  30. @MBunge

    Uh…talk about a strawman. I’ve NEVER said the Russian economy is “totally doing fine.” NEVER. Stating I have IS A LIE.

    Oh, Mike is getting defensive?

    Because you “never said the Russian economy is totally doing fine. Never.” You “merely” put forth an article that did, without making any challenge to its obvious flaws, and with the obvious push that we should take it seriously.

    Totally, toootally different and not at all dishonest, bad faith hair splitting from you. Again.

    Because apparently you are depending on people not being able to see the relevant post to see what it entailed and it took even me a while of looking, I will be linking back to it. Because unlike you, I am willing to trust the people on this blog whether I am making a strawman or not.

    https://www.thenewneo.com/2023/02/23/one-answer-to-the-question-of-whether-the-ukraine-war-is-a-quagmire/#comment-2668414

    I have pointed out that we were told the Russian economy was going to be fatally crippled by sanctions.

    Using a fatally flawed and objectively false source that – among other stupid and gratuitously dishonest things – tried to use the continued presence (if diminishing) of consumer goods in MOSCOW to argue that sanctions were not biting, while also using the most pie in the sky estimates of sanctions. That’s the actual definition of a strawman. And Neo pointed it out to you, again, how you were condescending to others.

    Yet a year later, we’re now being told the Russia/Ukraine war is shaping up to be a stalemate…something that would require the Russian economy to be relatively functional not only now but for the foreseeable future.

    I realize you haven’t actually studied much in the way of history, so let me fill you in:

    Dysfunctional economies are often adjuncts to and also causes of stalemate. If you don’t believe that please examine Spain during its long “Golden Age” wars with France, the Netherlands, Turkey, and so on, Japan in China, both sides of the Hundred Years War (especially the Plantagenets) and pretty much everybody during the Thirty Years War. To cite just a few. Where the governments in question actively burn the wick from both ends and struggle to keep gathering resources to continue the war or launch offensives that MIGHT, JUST MIGHT be decisive (but which could also fail miserably).

    It also ignores the fact that the natural state of fighting in Ukraine has been bloody, semi-static positional fighting and this has been something I have repeatedly referenced over and over and over again in my comments here.

    The fact that the Russian economy did not collapse completely within the span of a year is really, really unsurprising, or at least it should have been. The fact that it is also hurting is equally so, especially if one bothers reading and analyzing the actual sources.

    Which is what I had to do to your source, because it is painfully obvious you did nothing of the sort yourself. As I explained in depth and at length at the prior link.

    I also object to historical references to the 1930s because they’re being done solely for self-righteous emotionalism and we all know they’re being done for self-righteous emotionalism because the people making the references seem to disregard any and all other historical examples.-

    What a load of absolute bullshit, “Mike.”

    And more evidence of you being pathologically dishonest and uncharitable to those you disagree with.

    I challenge anybody honest to look at what I have written in my comparisons of the LNR and DPR to the Japanese established “Chinese” occupation regimes or of Nazi Germany’s Anschluss Plebiscite to the Crimean and Donbas ones to think that I wrote about those “solely done for self-righteous emotionalism.”

    Which is gratuitously stupid to even believe. As I pointed out to you when I slapped your ass down for claiming that when I pointed out that I did not believe that every bad guy was Hitler.

    The Japanese occupation regimes help show us how a stronger invading Imperial power tried to partition the sovereign territory of another nation using local collaborators while trying not to devolve too much actual power to said collaborators. They also show how those regimes struggle with basic functions and legitimacy. Hitler’s Anschluss helps show the methods of national and racial grievance, attempts to justify national annexation, recruiting local collaborators to help take over (including by armed force) and then how to try and “legitimize” it with by vote. And how the Soviets did both when doing things like taking the Baltics.

    It does not take a great student of history or a genius to recognize the relevance those have to the War in Ukraine.

    And even if they were made from “self-righteous emotionalism”, so what? That would so literally nothing to invalidate the factual or logical merits of the comparison.

    What’s also gratuitously stupid and dishonest is the claim that “the people making the references seem to disregard any and all other historical examples” when talking to Me, the person who made one of their first comments on this blog was talking about a pro-Kremlin propagandist being dishonest about the Russo-Turkish War of 1877.

    The truth is, I can and do make comparisons to other historical periods. Indeed, I make far, far more than you do. And I could and will compare them to things such as the “Puppet Sejms” of the 18th century conducted by occupying Prussian and Russian troops during the dying years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or to Soviets interfering in Finnish elections, or to the way pro-Habsburg forces rigged the 1519 election for Emperor.

    But frankly things like the Kwantung Army in China, the Anschluss, the Danzig Nazis, and the Sovietification of the Baltics are better examples. For starters, you are not wrong that they have an emotional payload and resonance and I make no apologies about exploiting.

    But they are ALSO far more relevant and more direct parallels. things like the Repnin Sejm or 1519 were great powers and affiliated oligarchs corrupting a sovereign legislature through bribery and force, relevant sure but not exactly a direct national parallel. In contrast the interwar period saw totalitarian goons trying to navigate in a recognizably modern landscape, dealing with international law, self-determination as an established principle, and the nation-state as a basic unit of global politics. Which is why if you bother reading – actually reading – things like the Kwantung Army puppet regimes in North China it reads strikingly modern and recognizable in this.

    As do those regimes struggling to continue on while under sanctions, which I note were much different in say 1519 or 1792.

    But none of that would allow you to dismiss the parallels you obviously do not want to deal with honestly as being made from pure emotionalism. Ironically while you incoherently, dishonestly shriek and accuse how those who disagree with you are motivated by pure emotionalism while being incapable of constructing an argument with any rational character Whatsoever that isn’t loaned from outside sources you omnivorously link without checking, as I pointed out in the aforementioned link

    And I mention “news” outlets like the New York Times not because they’re truthful and reliable. They’re obviously not. But I think the point I was making was fairly clear.

    Obviously not, since Kate, om, myself, and others did not see the “wisdom” of the point you were making. And you can’t demonize or dismiss Kate as being an uncritical Ukraine cultist or Neocon or Warmongerer.

    Almost the entire political and media establishment was super-duper supportive of America getting massively involved in the Russia/Ukraine war.

    Was? I wish it was past tense.

    Yet a year later, people who “want to fight to the last Ukrainian” cannot rely on those establishment media sources for information/analysis on the conflict. They’ve got to turn to YouTube Guy. You don’t find that weird?

    This is stupid and circular even by your standards.

    Leftists and useful idiots like Althouse who think they can rely on mainstream media outlets for the war continue to do so to a staggering degree, and the fact that you do not understand this points to a Staggering lack of awareness and empathy on your part

    However, most of us here aren’t leftist and try not to be useful idiots. So why would we willingly rely on “mainstream” sources when we obviously couldn’t rely on them before?

    You yourself admitted Literally Sentences Before that these outlets were not and are not reliable or truthful. And yet you find it “weird” that people who know this do not rely on them?

    Did you bother reading through what you were writing for five seconds to think if the things you were raising made ANY kind of coherent sense?

    Or were you acting emotionally.. Again?

    I think the answer is fairly evident.

    I learned long long ago that more grassroots analysis and sourcing was usually more truthful and reliable or at least less consistently godawful than the MSM near the turn of the millennium and I was far from the first.

    And you obviously acknowledge this view has merit. You acknowledge that the MSM are corrupt, dishonest, and unreliable. You are also on here rather than on the New Yorker or NYT. So you clearly see some value in what Neo makes.

    But why are you so UNWILLING to grant to others the basic courtesy or leeway you obviously demand for yourself?

    Mitch Frickin’ McConnell and others tell us Ukraine is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE WORLD, yet the mainstream news coverage of it is so spotty and shallow that YouTube Guy is who we have to rely on?

    Again, see above. You’re seriously surprised that a corrupt, incompetent, and biased MSM that Ben Rhodes said literally know nothing is deemed not trustworthy and that people will look elsewhere?

    While you yourself turn to sources outside the MSM when trying to make your own point?

    My problem wasn’t you using those sources because they do not meet a certain level of “mainstream respectability.” That would be hypocritical and stupid.

    My problem was you using one you very obviously did not critically analyze because it fit the narratives you wanted to push, in spite of how it was obviously flawed and in many cases objectively false.

    And, seriously? The threat of possible nuclear retaliation by the U.S. and NATO isn’t enough to deter Putin…but upsetting China and India will be?

    In what way is there a credible threat of Western nuclear retaliation in the form of a first strike? Do you have literally any sources for this?

    Even if Putin is not willing to completely rule out the use of nukes, it should be incredibly obvious he wants to avoid using them if at all possible. In large part because India would repudiate him altogether along with many other neutrals (esp those in the Third World reliant on Ukrainian cereals) and even the PRC’s support could not be ensured.

    That’s the sort of foolishness you pull out of your behind when you simply can’t come up with anything else to explain why it was appropriate to worry about nuclear confrontation with the USSR but completely unnecessary to worry about nuclear confrontation with Russia.

    You’re desperate as well as dishonest, and comments like this make it goddamn obvious.

    It’s particularly stupid – again – when your own sources underline the importance of at least tolerable relations with the PRC, India, and other neutrals to sustaining the Russian economy and war effort. As outlined in the sources you use.

    And yet when I point out how this goes both ways and how India and China are on the record warning off Putin from Nuclear Weapon Use in Ukraine, it’s suddenly “lol, I saying India and China can deter Russia is foolishness you pull out of your backside!”

    It’s stupid, it’s dishonest, and it is monumentally incoherent.

    You’re not even a very skilled gadfly, and you certainly aren’t honest or acting rationally.

    And just for the future, one of the things that makes me salty is that I’ll post something like “I’m not saying YouTube Guy is wrong about anything. You can find some pretty informed and insightful people on the platform” and then get accused of attacking the credibility or accuracy of YouTube Guy WHEN I SPECIFICALLY DID NO SUCH THING.

    Go eff yourself, Mike.

    Most of us were not born yesterday, and we have had abundant opportunity to see your glib, evasive, dishonest behavior for ourselves. Such as the aforementioned point where you garnished a nakedly false propaganda piece without critical analysis and with the obvious implication we should take it seriously, and then when I pointed out what you were aiming for you went into paroxysms of rage by saying I was strawmanning you and how you had never said X (“directly”).

    And in particular your obsessive and counterproductive nonsense about why om/others don’t use mainstream outlets we all know are unworthy of much trust or attention tips your hand.

    You are a master of the bad faith argument and playing coy, and yet want to complain when people like me notice.

    Unfortunately for you; Neo has noticed too. Which is why she has repeatedly had to slap you around and warn you how thin the ice you are on is.

    So please stop lying. Including by omission. It’s stupid, it does you no favors, and it destroys what little change there is for a productive back and forth.

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