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  1. The peculiar mirror imaging (reversing) transformations sprinkled throughout that presentation seem to me to call for an account (dyslexic phenomenon, anyone?), and yet none appears to be given explicitly. Odd, I think.

  2. Could be examples where the adoptees didn’t want that ‘step too far’ and purposefully reversed them, as readers would recognize it just as we can read correctly spelled, backwards text.

    Could be.

    I’ve been interested in etymology and alphabetic evolution for decades and for some stories I’ve written, inspired to go through a similar process for the overarching texture of ‘ancient texts’. I based mine on the speaking shapes of the lips.

    Fun stuff.

  3. I thought the discussion of ‘G’ was interesting as for the Romans it was a softer version of ‘C’, but doesn’t really explain why ‘gamma’ (Greek) and ‘gimel’ (Hebrew) were the third letters of those older alphabets. It seems more likely that the Romans somehow adopted the third letter of those alphabets for their C/G sound, even though there already was ‘kappa’ for the hard ‘C’. (I don’t believe ‘C’ was ever pronounced like ‘ch’ or ‘s’ by the ancient Romans.

    There’s a view that gimel is related to ‘gamal’ (camel) in Hebrew, as the letter looks like a kneeling camel, though others say it’s an image of a human walking.

  4. Regarding the Romans using “I” and “J” interchangeably; three of the Gospels state that when Jesus was nailed to the cross the soldiers placed the written charge against him over his head. “Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum,” meaning “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.” This was (and still is) commonly abbreviated to, “INRI.” You can see the “Is” used for the “J” sound in “Iesus” and “Iudaerom” just as the narrator in this video describes with “Iulius” on the Roman coin. (Hmm… Render unto Iulius…”

  5. Rufus T. Firefly, further, Arabic-speaking Christians call him “Yeshua,” which is a lot closer to what his name really would have been in Aramaic.

  6. Re: INRI

    One of the joys of Joyce’s “Ulysses” is Leopold Bloom, a Jew, as he attempts in his good-natured way to understand Christianity, based on the misunderstandings of his Christian friends.

    Iron Nails Ran In. 🙂
    ________________________

    He saw the priest stow the communion cup away, well in, and kneel an instant before it, showing a large grey bootsole from under the lace affair he had on. Suppose he lost the pin of his. He wouldn’t know what to do to. Bald spot behind. Letters on his back: I.N.R.I? No: I.H.S. Molly told me one time I asked her. I have sinned: or no: I have suffered, it is. And the other one? Iron nails ran in.

    –James Joyce, “Ulysses”

  7. Make. It. Stop.

    Or reason #47 on why I don’t want to go to UNM anymore. 1.5 hours for 13 weeks.
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    This training is mandatory and required by UNM. The Grey Area is an integral part of creating a safe and healthy campus environment, understanding the dynamics of gender-based violence and learning strategies to protect ourselves and our community from sexual harassment and misconduct.

  8. huxley,

    Why are you opposed to something that promotes safety and health? I’m envisioning something akin to Alex’s re-education in “A Clockwork Orange.”

    Interesting they chose the British spelling over the American. Or, perhaps it’s not as bad as you think and it’s 19.5 hours of sampling, rating and reviewing various offerings from the Earl Grey tea company.

  9. huxley:

    Among other things, they don’t seem to understand that “mandatory” and “required” is a redundancy. Hey, why not add “compulsory” for good measure?

  10. Interesting they chose the British spelling over the American.

    Rufus T. Firefly:

    I wondered about that too. I have no idea. I guess they thought it looked cooler (sexier? oops) that way.

    Assuming they weren’t just being stupid. Which is a possibility. They can’t even keep the clocks in the Math building synchronized to the correct time. In four years those clocks have never been right. Too bad clocks don’t have pronouns.

    I’ve sent LoboRESPECT an email asking them. I’m not waiting up nights for a reply.

    If only it were all about Earl Grey, the tea beverage of choice at Chez Huxley. (I’m drinking a cuppa right now.)

    Happily though, it’s not 13 weeks worth as I mistakenly claimed. (I tend to assume the worst when I receive a UNM communique.) Only one 90 minute session. I wonder what the cost is.

  11. Throughout my time at UNM I keep wondering what is the problem or problems they are trying to solve? It seems only marginally concerned with the actual education of students.

    I constantly felt bored, confused, frustrated, stressed and thwarted by the university process. I can easily imagine ways to improve university education.

    Frankly I learn much better on my own, though I will grant that I am not a typical student and I have concluded I don’t belong in a university.

    I understand there are trade-offs which must be addressed for teaching groups of students of different abilities with different potential futures. Society needs some form of higher education to supply pools of people for various functions.

    I don’t believe the current university is ideal, but I am really not sure what a better system would be — though reducing costs, bureaucracy, woke, covid stuff would be an excellent place to start.

  12. Meanwhile, my French is coming along nicely without the help of a perky, woke UNM French teacher.

    I’m now reading “Le Petit Prince” with over 50% comprehension, which is to say I recognize over 50% of the words and get the meaning of the sentences more often than not too.

    I have spent a lot of time on French since I started a few days after Christmas. But I didn’t notice the time passing because I was excited by the material I was studying and learning in ways that made sense to me.

    I also learned from the French introduction to the book that “Le Petit Prince” has been translated into more languages than any other book except the Bible!

  13. Fun French Fact:

    Jodie Foster speaks wonderful French … but she frequently makes gender mistakes. (Read into that what you will.)

    So says polyglot Steve Kaufmann, supporting his language-learning approach that one shouldn’t demand perfection in the quest to learn another language.

    To be fair, gender mistakes are the #1 grammar mistake in French.

  14. @ huxley > “To be fair, gender mistakes are the #1 grammar mistake in French.”

    “The French don’t care what you say, as long as you pronounce it properly.” — Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady.

  15. huxley: Agree you don’t *need* an instructor although there are ramifications. I was translating Das Terriech Mantidae, an insect taxonomic key to mantids, (get this) published by a German publisher, written by an Italian in technical French.

    In fairly short order I could read technical biological descriptive French. I had no idea how it sounded, but I could read it. I also had no clue about reading conversational or French literature.

  16. I’ve been wondering what J E Dyer makes of the balloon excursions, but didn’t get around to checking her website until today.
    Yeah, it’s bad.

    The balloons themselves are a side-show for the full three-ring circus that China is erecting around the world.

    The thread (as usual) is very long, very detailed, and very scary.

    Tl;dr: The Chinese have been building or buying access to shipping ports around the world, including major cities in the US; the purpose is to have a stash of shipping containers outfitted with missiles and other military goodies, ready to launch on command. That’s in addition to the economic infrastructure that the CCP is now controlling (farmland around our bases is almost a minor part of the plan).

    The core of the argument is in the middle of the post; the balloons are at the end.
    Some key grafs (an excerpt that is as long as most pundits’ normal posts):

    https://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2023/02/12/china-goes-down-to-the-sea-putting-the-hybrid-in-warfare-bonus-update-bidens-excellent-balloon-adventure/

    This is more of a companion piece to help visualize how a related situation has developed over the last two decades. Most of the focus is on China’s presence in ports in Latin America, with some context from views of presence and potential militarization around the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans.

    We’re out of lead-time on this matter. What we’re seeing now is the preparation of the CCP for “hybrid warfare.”

    And yes, China’s preparations are meant to induce us to proleptically collapse, in terms of will, and effectively surrender in the face of unfavorable odds.

    The potential for rapidly militarizing civilian infrastructure is thus a key element of hybrid warfare. It doesn’t replace military power; it’s another way of delivering military power, to influence an opponent’s will and decision-making.

    This article looks at just one dimension of pre-positioning Chinese military power: a maritime dimension linked to leveraging port access and control overseas.

    Why am I giving so much time to speculation about a forward-deployment capability that, while realistic and foreseeable based on known Chinese patterns, has shown no public signs of emerging as yet?

    It’s not just because of one of Dyer’s Axioms of Intelligence: that If you can imagine it, someone is in fact trying to do it.

    It’s because we already know China wants to deploy cruise missiles forward, to lurk unsuspected on ships, or ashore, in wait for their use-on-command.

    The known known

    The missiles in question are shipping-container-launched cruise missiles (a capability pioneered by Russia with the “Club-K”), one of which is the YJ-18C variant.

    Meanwhile, the lurking of a container-missile threat involves the other pieces of our puzzle: shipping lines like CCP-controlled flagship-line COSCO, which run tame in dozens of ports worldwide and even control their own container terminals in some of them; and China-involved port operations in places like the Bahamas, Jamaica, and Panama, where it would be particularly inconvenient to the United States for such a Chinese arsenal to be lurking.

    The proposition really is that China would launch a cruise missile like the YJ-18 from a shipping container, without having to unload it and marry it up with a separate launcher.

    With container-launched missiles, similar effects could be achieved from Los Angeles or Long Beach on the southern California coast, an area home to a sprawling complex of Naval bases that host carriers, attack submarines, amphibious ships, and numerous escort warships and support ships, as well as military logistics hubs, including a fleet weapons depot. The Navy, Air Force, Army, and Marine Corps all have major bases within YJ-18 reach in the area.

    COSCO’s terminal complex at Long Beach, one of the busiest ports in the Western hemisphere, is enormous.

    Mix ’em and match ’em. This is hybrid warfare, as realistic factors – most already existing and in-pattern – would set it up.

    Hybrid warfare is not just for power and communication outages, loss of computerized controls, or ambiguous phenomena that could be accidental. (Or for a confusing profusion of balloons, for that matter.) It’s for pop-up, military, kinetic targeting and effects too.

    Afterword: Up, up and away*

    [Note: I am leaving this earlier discussion, from Wednesday 8 February, as-is. The points are still valid, although we’ve learned more about the Chinese balloon since then. Unsurprisingly, it was festooned with electronic collection antennas. I would expect it to also have imaging sensors, whose use would benefit from the balloon’s altitude – around 60,000 feet – and its long dwell, which can’t be replicated by satellites passing overhead or power-flight aircraft. From 60,000 feet, the balloon could have imaged hundreds of thousands of square miles in multiple snaps or continuous video across the United States, over the five days it spent in the Lower 48.]

    All that said, because it needed to be said, the two publicly-documented balloon events (Hawaii, February 2022; continental U.S. airspace January-February 2023) are enough to clarify that China has this capability and is prepared to enter U.S. airspace without permission in order to use it.

    It’s another reason not to doubt that the CCP will use a container-launched missile capability to do what container-launched missiles were developed to do.

  17. “The French don’t care what you say, as long as you pronounce it properly.” — Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady.

    AesopFan:

    I’ve heard different things on that score. Maybe it’s changed since ‘Enry ‘Iggins. Maybe it depends on the French person or how badly one mangles their language.

    I have heard speakers of Parisian French absolutely scathing towards Canadian French speakers.

    French is such a beautiful language. I can understand their proprietary stance. I was struck that the controversy in France over transgender pronouns isn’t about politics, sexuality or freedom, but about tampering with the sacrosanct French language.

    Quelle horreur!

    My modest ambition is not to sound like a witless American who insists on pronouncing French as though it were English.

  18. In fairly short order I could read technical biological descriptive French.

    Oligonicella:

    I’d be curious how long a short order is! That’s great.

    I notice that reading French — once one builds some vocabulary and gets used to the contractions, word order and short, but important, words — comes much easier than hearing or speaking the language.

    I do work on hearing and speaking. With the current tech you can just click a button and hear some French as many times as you want. I listen, then speak, listen/speak and finally speak in tandem to get the French “melody” under the words.

    I want to have a decent accent. I also find it hilarious to hear myself speaking like a Frenchman!

    That’s an issue linguists have noticed — pronunciation as a mild threat to one’s identity.

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