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  1. Does it say in either article that Smith was white?

    It’s not clear to me whether these Tinder dates involved the exchange of money. Complaints about an “epidemic” of murders of “transgenders” fail to mention that many of the cases are of men pretending to be women and going out as prostitutes. Of course the rage which comes from clients who discover the “woman” isn’t one in no way excuses murder. It’s a dangerous thing to do.

    If the jury thought Etude didn’t intend to kill Smith, I don’t entirely understand why they didn’t find him guilty of involuntary manslaughter, since he did administer the beating. One punch and Etude running away would have been a different matter. That could have plausibly been self-defense.

  2. Kate:

    One of the articles said that Etute gave Smith $50 at the first encounter. At least, that’s what I recall.

    That point about the extent of the beating was one that the prosecutor made. The jury didn’t buy it, apparently. But it seems rather obvious to me from the articles that, even according to Etute’s own story, so many blows didn’t make sense. Of course, the articles just summarize the proceedings so it’s hard to tell for sure exactly what all the evidence was.

  3. Thanks, Neo.

    It may be that a small-town jury was not sympathetic to a transgender prostitute. In my view, murder is murder, even if I don’t care for the victim. But juries sometimes decide against what look like cases of clear guilt.

  4. Race was indeed the biggest factor, as convicting Etude would be ‘proof’ of the jury’s racism. Etude’s ‘understandable’ outrage at Smith’s deceit was rationalized by the jury as justification for murder. The knife is window dressing for Etude’s lawyers claim of self-defense.

    The truth of it is obvious. Had the races been reversed, it would have been national news beaten to death by the mass media.

  5. A critic of the decision said the jury elected to treat the defendant as above criticism but beneath agency.

    What’s curious is that it happened in Montgomery County, Va., which is only 4% black.

  6. Does anyone know how many jurors in the Etute case were male and how many female? If the transgender apologists are correct (and I’m not saying they are), male jurors are supposedly more likely to excuse the murder of a transgender prostitute on the grounds that the defendant was justifiably provoked to rage.

  7. My understanding is that there was in fact a knife under the mattress of Smith’s bed. One could infer that Smith was expecting that one of his sexual partners just might become dangerously enraged if he (i.e., Smith’s sexual partner) discovered Smith’s ruse.

    Once we accept as reasonable, which it is, that a duped sexual partner might naturally become enraged, I think we have to accept the fact that such an enraged person might deliver an explosive series of punches and kicks that would not stop until after the perpetrator (i.e., the fraudster) was non-responsive.

    By broad analogy, what Smith did was like pointing even a replica gun at a bunch of police officers. Once Smith duped Etute, it was as if Smith set Etute on automatic pilot.

  8. According to the linked stories, Etude went to the second appointment because he wasn’t convinced Smith was a woman, and pulled out his phone’s flashlight and pulled back Smith’s hoodie to learn the truth. Smith lunged for what Etude thought would be gun under the mattress, and Etude beat him to a pulp. Makes this sound more like premeditated rather than sudden rage. It would be interesting to know if jurors were Va Tech employees or academics.

    There have been a couple of cases in the Charlotte area of transgender prostitutes being killed by enraged customers. I think in those cases both prostitutes and customers were black.

  9. Kate:

    I’ve read that one of the hazards of being a prostitute – especially of the streetwalker type – is the higher risk of being murdered by a john who gets angry or is already angry and out to kill.

    It does seem that Etute (no “d” in his name) went back to Smith’s place already angry. Smith probably had the knife for self-protection. Smith was playing a dangerous game, but in no way does that justify what Etute did. Was the story that Smith was reaching for something even true? We have no way of knowing because the only evidence is from the perp and/or his friends who weren’t in the room.

  10. “What’s curious is that it happened in Montgomery County, Va., which is only 4% black.”

    I suspect that makes the verdict more understandable.

  11. The news media almost never covers murders by black offenders. See e.g. the murder of a girl that went to my kids’ high school and her boyfriend. As nasty, vicious, and evil as any you will ever hear about. The national news media refused to cover it. Reverse the races and the victims would be more famous than Trayvon, Michael Brown and George Floyd.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/08/13/the-gruesome-story-of-a-murdered-tennessee-couple-you-may-have-never-heard-about-but-that-you-will-never-forget

  12. Btw — a black in America is 10-12 times more likely to murder a white than vice versa. Can you imagine the screams of outrage if anyone ever publicized that fact? And how fast the cancelling would take place of the person who shared it.

    As someone who advocated for civil rights back in the day when it was actually dangerous (and received the death threats by phone and mail), it is sad and frightening to see all the work flushed down the drain. Thank the Democrats and their minions.

    Obama’s sponsors, Ayers and Dohrn and friends, actively worked to try to incite race wars in America. Their ideological bedfellows are still at it.

  13. }}} Makes this sound more like premeditated rather than sudden rage.

    I disagree. Etude may have merely meant to confront, but when he fully realized the deception, he may have easily lost it.

    I believe blacks, in particular, have a strong group aversion to homosexuality, and even if not (Either did not apply to Etude or I am simply wrong), this is still a major line to cross with all men — a very serious one.

    Such deception is inexcusable, and Smith clearly knew it, and knew it was considered a personal outrage offense. You do not grow up among men and NOT understand this. Education and experience may temper the reaction, but Etude had neither of those, being young and a fairly new student in college.

    Hence: I don’t think that calling it “murder” is appropriate. At this point, from the evidence presented here (I did not read articles), I would say manslaughter is what it should have been. The beating was no doubt rage induced IMNSHO. YES: very much over the top, inexcusably so, but killing Smith need not have been the goal.

    I more than amply agree, the transgression did not deserve death, but, on the other hand, yeah, to me, Smith certainly earned a beating. That’s crossing a line even for trans. You are wholly misrepresenting yourself to the extent that you clearly are concerned they may reject you if you were known to not be a female, and you KNOW THIS.

    I think the beating should be far more measured, not to break bones, but certainly to induce a degree of misery.

    The real problem there is that that may not discourage, but encourage, the perp, given that no doubt some of them experience guilt between religious teachings and inherent predilections, and may feel as though “they deserve it”. They kinda do, but that sort of masochism isn’t healthy at all. Any such beating should be educational, not penance.

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