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  1. I was appalled at Sean Penn’s suggestion that Zelensky should be invited to appear. These Hollywood types really think they are God. Or maybe they are just noticing than no one is going to their movies or watching the Oscars.

  2. Don Rickles and Joan Rivers were two of my favorite comics.

    Chris Rock follows in their tradition.

  3. I kinda hope this escalates into an annual mass slapfest. If we let it stand as a single isolated incident, then Hollywood will be reinforcing the racist stereotype that black males are angry and violent.

    While we’re at it, lets see all the trans females wrestling in jello. I might then watch the Oscars for the first time in my life.

    And hard as it is to find a good one, I still love the movies. Since that’s the case, maybe I can also learn to respect the Supreme Court. The sun’s out, the snow’s melting, and I’m feeling optimistic.

  4. Never cared much for the Oscars (or other “awards” shows) as they came across to me as a bunch of brats back slapping each other. (I do like your description Neo as it is much politer than mine: “self-congratulatory and ridiculously full of themselves, and leftist politics was an almost constant drumbeat.”)

    But, Ozzy Man delivers! He is spot on!

    I’ll bet a lot of the Hollywood types and their fellow leftists will justify Will Smith’s violence as some how or other acceptable.

    Or it was all a set up to get people to talk about them since no one really cares about them any more?

    And if this wasn’t staged; but was real, why didn’t security get involved? It could have turned much, much worse.

  5. Too bad. Will Smith is/was one my favorite actors. Now he’s just another immature, narcisstic Hollywood type. Such shallow people. Where’s John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart?

  6. So Smith’s smiling until he sees his wife’s unhappy, then flies into a simmering rage… If you look carefully at Smith’s face as he turns away after slapping Chris Rock he’s got an amused look on his face, not at all angry but after he’s sitting, he acts very angry. I’m leaning toward it being a setup to raise ratings.

  7. So far, this is all I’ve gotten out of last nights’ Oscars. I don’t even know what won “Best Picture” and don’t care. I’ve read many commenters that believe this is staged, and if so, then it was the dumbest staged violence since Smollet went out for a Subway at 2am on the coldest night in decades. In the end, I feel a bit like physicsguy. I kind of liked Will Smith, but he’s just to pathetic now. Because of his behavior, I’ve delved more into his relationship with Jada, and it really doesn’t make that couple look good.
    As for Chris Rock, I think he made a bad joke, as comedians do; he could have just been heckled but it got violent instead, and Rock handled it well. But if I was any other comedian, particular Kevin Hart; I’d certainly laugh and hang up when the Academy asked if I could host a section of the Oscars. You can also forget about booking me for a Comedy Central Roast of Will Smith.
    Finally, as for the Oscar live audience, I just read someone make a good point. The same general crowd gave a standing ovation for an admitted pedophile, so no surprise they would do the same for a guy that just assaulted a person. For them, the bad people are Floridians that don’t want to teach 5 to 8 years old about sex.

  8. I’ve seen men slapped hard & they don’t keep smiling afterward.

    Will Smith’s slap of Chris Rock was no more real than a WWF wrestling match or a barroom brawl on Gunsmoke. It was all just an act to boost ratings of a dead-show-walking…

  9. Erasmus:

    I think you’re wrong. I watched the clips and to me it looked real. But perhaps more importantly, how could it boost ratings when no one knew it would happen? It could boost ex post facto interest in what already had happened, but not ratings.

    And by next year it will be a very distant memory, if that, so I don’t think it would boost future ratings. You’d have to sit through a lot of boring and/or offensive schlock just hoping for some pyrotechnics that probably would never happen.

  10. Hey, physicsguy. Will was defending his wife! From scurrilous, ostensibly insulting, attack “humor.”

    There’s nothing old fashioned and virtuous about that?

  11. For real ratings Gold, the Academy should take a leaf from motion picture history and start throwing pies.

  12. Is there a reason that everyone is avoiding the term “b–ch-slapped? That was a thing at one time, maybe not so long ago. I can understand why Chris Rock didn’t want to go there — but he did say that Smith had “slapped the shit” out of him.

  13. Interesting that you think it was real. There seems to be a partisan divide already; leftists assuming it was real and using it to launch their sociopolitical hot take of the day, and (many) conservatives assuming it’s just Hollywood trying to get people to pay attention to them again.

    The Oscars ratings in and of itself isn’t the only consideration; the Oscars has been called one giant advertising scheme that the film industry devised for itself. Oscar nominations boost movie sales for months to come. Hollywood and mainstream media as a whole wants to stay relevant. A fight going down at the Oscars drives traffic to the mainstream news media both online and on TV and draws attention to the movie scene.

    Then again, you have a lot of experience with watching people perform on stage and paying close attention to the subtleties so your opinion that the slap was genuine holds weight for me.

  14. Chris Rock leaning in for the slap. Chris Rock recovering so quickly. Chris Rock never touching his face afterwards. Smith’s hand may have touched Rock’s face, but only glancingly, without real force in the delivery.

    I say it was staged.

  15. shadow:

    Oh, so it was staged by the MSM? How would they go about convincing Will Smith to sabotage his own career and make a public ass of himself, he whose reputation has been strongly dependent on his supposed nice guy persona?

    Makes zero sense to me.

  16. I don’t care about the Oscars, or about the movies, at all, or about the actors.

    However, IF the insult and the slap were real, my husband’s reaction was like TJ’s at 6:11 p.m. When did we change so that someone can insult a man’s wife very publicly from just a short distance away, and the man is called to just sit there and ignore it?

  17. Chris Rock is just lucky men no longer fight duels. All he got was a slap which doesn’t seem to have bothered him much.

  18. But that’s the thing, Neo. He is, as far as we know, a nice guy. Has he ever showed any sign of being physically aggressive before? Why a premeditated violent act from someone who generally seems quite calm and genial, not an impulsive reaction immediately upon hearing the joke? Why act like this now, unless it was intended as an attention grab?

    Kate: not sure that a man has to necessarily fight words with violence, if the other person is simply being rude and there’s no threat involved. One could fight back with more words, and not lose face and even be seen as the “bigger person.”

    That being said, the worst takes of all are those saying no violence is ever acceptable, and that violence is never a sign of love. Oh, really? What about all the Ukrainians fighting for the people and the country they love?

  19. Shadow, as an alternative to punching the creep, he could have risen with his wife and walked out.

  20. I agree with Neo. Not staged.
    These people are so classless. No impulse control.
    Smith was an award favorite and was going to have his turn on stage soon. He could have used an acceptance speech to call out Rock. And even if he hadn’t won there would be plenty of opportunity for him to express his distain for Rock’s tasteless ‘joke’.
    Trash is as trash does.

  21. Kate:

    This is what changed.

    Comedians often do “roasts” on celebrities. Will Smith’s wife is a celebrity in her own right. The terrible terrible insult was a comparison of her hairdo to that of Demi Moore in the movie GI Jane, when she had a buzz cut and yet looked beautiful. I fail to even see this as an insult.

    Smith didn’t challenge Rock to a fight or duel, he sucker-slapped him. Rock is much smaller than Smith. Then Smith retreated to his seat and started cussing him with the f-word. Then Smith gave a self-aggrandizing and self-pitying speech.

    Some great manly guy.

  22. Scott Adams has this take on todays podcast: He paraphrases Jordan Peterson – the implied violence of men is what keeps civilization together. The ever present risk of male violence is what keeps us civilized.
    Adams further says Chris Rock humiliated Smith’s wife in front of the world and her peers. Yes, Smith laughed at first – that’s just an automatic reaction from hearing his name mentioned. Then he looked at his wife and reacted.
    Adams says Will Smith slapped Chris Rock. He didn’t punch him – that would be unnecessary violence. By slapping Chris Rock, Smith traded humiliation for humiliation.
    The podcast is worth listening to. Adams makes other points about humor as well. It’s free. I always double the speed and, midway through, wonder why he’s speaking so fast.

  23. >> how could it boost ratings when no one knew it would happen?

    Nowadays ‘ratings’ also factor social media activity and online views of derivative media (clips ,commentary etc.), which obviously occur after a broadcast airing. The producers of the AA’s know that their broadcast viewership has declined significantly and increasingly – so a stunt like this can actually be effective as it will drive those results. Reality TV shows have demonstrated that.

    That’s not to say that the incident was necessarily planned, simply that the old logic on ratings has changed and does incentivize such behavior.

  24. Eva Marie:

    I find that absurd.

    So now it’s humiliating if your shaved head is compared to the shaved head of another beautiful movie star?

    That sounds absurd to me.

    These people are incredibly full of themselves. I am amazed at the justification of the sort of things drunks in bars do.

    People murder people sometimes because they look at their shoes funny – or think they look at their shoes funny

  25. Eva Marie:

    Did Scott Adams remember to explain why Will Smith doesn’t feel the need to slap the men his wife sleeps with with his permission?

    Will Smith, such a traditional guy.

  26. Well, Smith’s apology to Rock does tend to point away significantly, but not conclusively, from it’s having been staged.

  27. Neo, listen to the podcast if you’re curious. But talking about “the men his wife sleeps with” is a disgusting low blow. Are you implying that behavior within the privacy of their marriage makes it open season on humiliating her in public?

  28. Jordan Peterson’s comments on the ever-present threat of male violence have influenced my thinking ever since I heard them. I actually thought about it earlier, when I heard about the slap fiasco. (Whether this is truly an example of male violence or a joke to grab attention is still up for debate.)

    Though we learn more and more about our evolutionary past from year to year, it seems like not enough people are willing to factor it into their expectations of how humans should act. That’s one of the reasons why I appreciate Jordan Peterson.

  29. Eva Marie:

    It appears that she is one who has flaunted her unique approach to the “privacy” of her “marriage.” TMI IMO.

  30. Eva Marie:

    They have publicized their sexual behavior in interviews. They have talked about their open marriage and her lovers

    So it still Must Not Be Mentioned by Others?

  31. Here’s an article about their marriage:
    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/everything-will-smith-jada-pinkett-smith-have-said-about-marriage/amp/
    Go ahead and make fun of them. But you’re implying that Smith shouldn’t act the way he did because you have judged her behavior not worthy of his defense of her.
    And now I understand Chris Rock’s behavior better. He figured it was an easy joke. Who would defend a woman like that? He figured wrong.

  32. The joke was about her hair, not her morals. Celebrity has a cost. Her 5 minutes of fame are about over, hope she copes with it successfully.

  33. om: Exactly. That’s why it’s inappropriate to bring her morals into the conversation. And it’s why Scott Adams refused to talk about their marriage.

  34. Eva Marie:

    I think I’ve made it quite clear what I think, but you don’t seem to even remotely get it. So I’ll give it one more try.

    You write, “Go ahead and make fun of them.” I did not “make fun of them” (although it certainly is highly possible to do so). I pointed out a tremendous inconsistency in the idea that he’s some sort of traditional man protecting his woman from insult while at the same time he’s a man who also has openly discussed the fact that his wife sleeps with other men and he seems to condone it. There is a huge disconnect there.

    The person I was making fun of was Scott Adams, when I asked whether Adams had noticed this rather large hole in his own theory of why Smith did what he did and what it might mean.

    You wrote, “you’re implying that Smith shouldn’t act the way he did because you have judged her behavior not worthy of his defense of her.”

    No, I’m not implying anything of the sort. This is what I’m saying:

    Chris Rock’s joke was not especially insulting. In fact, I don’t think it’s insulting at all because if I had a buzz cut and was compared to Demi Moore with a buzz cut, I’d consider that a compliment.

    However, let’s say that Rock did insult her by making a lame, weak joke about her hair. This does not justify going up to a smaller man and slapping him with no warning. If he wanted to challenge him to a fight, then challenge him to a fight. That’s not what Smith did. That point has nothing to do with whether his wife was “worthy” of defending.

    But defend her against what, and defend her in what manner? And if you’re a man of honor, then be a man of honor. Act like one.

    And then don’t act as though you’re the put-upon martyr in your Oscar acceptance speech just a few minutes later.

  35. I just did a find on this page for the word “alopecia” and it came up empty, so maybe some folks here don’t know that Mrs. Smith has stated she suffers from alopecia. Apparently her close cropped hairdo is in reaction to the condition and her thinning pate.

    For me a lot of the issue revolves around whether Rock knew of her illness. If he did, then the joke was overly cruel and, in my mind, very rude. If he did not know of her illness, then I agree with Neo. It was a funny ad-lib, or at least not insulting. By and large Demi Moore’s look in that role was considered attractive (she pulled it off) and a comparison to her would not typically be meanspirited.

    So, then the appropriateness of Mr. Smith’s behavior is somewhat centered on what Will Smith thought Chris Rock knew. If Smith did not think Rock knew of Jada’s alopecia then both Smith’s should have taken it in stride. If Will Smith thought Chris Rock did know of Jada’s illness, then I think it can be argued he was right to be angry at his wife’s being mocked in front of a billion people due to a disease she suffers from.

    So, then comes the debate regarding the appropriate way to react if Rock knew of Jada’s illness, and Will knew Rock knew.

    And, as others have pointed out, Jada seems willing to seek publicity talking about the most personal details of her marriage, including how her husband was cuckolded by another man, so it makes her less sympathetic as a victim.

    Don’t know if the Oscars are still held at Grauman’s Chinese Theater, but Robert Towne’s famous line might as well apply to Hollywood: “Forget it Jake, it’s Chinatown.”

  36. This is what you wrote: Did Scott Adams remember to explain why Will Smith doesn’t feel the need to slap the men his wife sleeps with with his permission?

    Um, no. Bringing up Pinkett Smith’s sexual history or the Will/Jada marriage has no place in the discussion of the Oscar night incident unless you think it’s relevant – unless you think it should have influenced Smith’s reaction. Or unless you think the details of their marriage should have influenced Adams’ perception of the incident.

  37. Eva Marie:

    It is indeed highly relevant to Scott Adam’s evaluation of whether Will Smith is a hypocrite and therefore not really into “honor” – his own or his wife’s – at all.

  38. Rufus: “For me a lot of the issue revolves around whether Rock knew of her illness. If he did, then the joke was overly cruel and, in my mind, very rude.”
    That’s exactly the point Scott Adams makes. I recommend the podcast.

  39. The ethics and morality of what we saw might have dozens of permutations: E.g. Smith was defending his wife’s honor and Chris was bating him.

    It doesn’t make any difference to me. Both men could have been Jesus. I’m not watching Oscars next year.

    Sick and tired of violence or even make-believe violence.

  40. “When did we change so that someone can insult a man’s wife very publicly from just a short distance away, and the man is called to just sit there and ignore it?”

    Context matters. This wasn’t some drunk guy mouthing off at a bar. This was at the Academy Awards banquet, an event where the elite of Hollywood gather to celebrate themselves and give each other awards. Emcees at that event have a long tradition of cracking jokes aimed at the attendees, a tradition dating back to at least Bob Hope in the late 1940s. Chris Rock, a professional comedian, was hired for just that purpose.

    Jada Smith, besides being the wife of one of the major award winners, is a member of the Hollywood elite in her own right with almost 300 credits on IMDB, including 51 as an actress. So jokingly comparing her to another actress in a famous role was not something that came out of left field. It should be obvious from the context that the joke was meant in good fun from one Hollywood elite to another and not as an insult.

    Will Smith’s reaction is almost on par with punching out the speaker at a roast.

  41. 1. The Slap Heard ‘Round the World!…
    2. Who cares?
    3. As mentioned above, Reality TV roars into town to “save” the Oscars? (Fails miserably.)
    4. Quite possibly the most perfect example of “Radical Monogamy” (as mentioned in a previous thread) in our time…OTOH, see #2, above.
    5. And the winner: Most inspiring and elevating to discover that…HONOR still counts for something in this perverse age:
    https://notthebee.com/article/will-smith-violently-defending-his-wifes-honor-while-also-letting-other-guys-have-sex-with-her-is-maybe-the-perfect-encapsulation-of-the-awful-post-sexual-revolution-landscape-
    H/T Instapundit.

  42. Speaking of “Reality TV”, the elements, putting all differences aside, have come together to present a most apt metaphor of the Democratic Party’s contribution to American—and global—politics over the past 16 years…
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1508483965711224838
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1508526943712522250
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/unbelievable-video-pennsylvania-snow-squall-causes-50-car-pileup

    …and it’ll get worse. Far worse.

  43. I think it’s revealing that Will Smith’s first reaction to the joke was to laugh, while at the same time Jada Pinkett Smith was obviously offended. Then Will is suddenly onstage, reacting as she did. I think that’s consistent with him accepting her adulteries: she makes the rules, calls the tune, however you want to say it. And Will is obviously not any kind of “man protecting his woman from being shamed”: he’s a man following orders.
    P.S. I think the joke was over the line unless offered in a “look how you’re crushing this disease situation, you look incredible” manner, which it was not. But if you’re an adult you Boo or heckle or just sit stone-faced, you don’t slap the hired comic.

  44. “It is indeed highly relevant to Scott Adam’s evaluation of whether Will Smith is a hypocrite.”
    Adams isn’t evaluating whether or not Smith is a hypocrite. He’s evaluating Smith’s behavior in this one instance.
    What’s lost here, unfortunately, is Smith’s movie King Richard. It tells the story of the father of Venus and Serena Williams. Now there’s a guy who was a hypocrite. He did a lot of things wrong and he also did a lot of things right. And the fact that he was a hypocrite doesn’t take anything away from the things he got right.
    It’s a beautiful movie, produced by his daughters. Will Smith and the rest of the cast are excellent. Highly recommended.

  45. Imagine if Will Smith was a white guy.
    Does anyone think the Hollywood crowd at the Oscars would have given Smith a standing ovation upon receipt of his Oscar after assaulting Chris Rock?

    Do you think he would have been escorted out of the venue?
    Do you think he would have been treated like the victim?

    Remember Roman Polanski; the child rapist. He was given a huge ovation by the Hollywood crowd in attendance when he won the Oscar for something or other.

    I did not watch the Oscars – have not in many years. Watched the “assault” scene numerous times; to me it appeared to be the real thing, not staged.

  46. Just read that Nicole Kidman’s “reaction” wasn’t really a reaction to the slap, she was reacting to something earlier in the evening.

    That doesn’t prove the whole story is false, but much of what you see in the media is fake and/or misleading that you shouldn’t take any major news story at face value. I’m with the people whose first reaction was to assume it was staged, because it’s the right mentality these days.

  47. A slap is a humiliation. It says, “You are justified, nay, required to strike me back. But I have not injured your ability to fight, not in any way. So here you stand, as capable as before I struck you and I await, with equanimity, your best shot. Which I am certain will not be forthcoming. Because you’re weak.”

    Got some acquaintances in or near the movie business and between that and the lead in a high school play, it’s hard to get into any production, from top-end movie to high school musical. I keep watching the production of the production.

    And so I hear the director. “Five seonds of confusion. Now five seconds of slightly annoyed confusion.” And it goes to the editor. Not impressive. Making faces.

  48. Jada Pinkett Smith OWNS her alopecia, and has for some time. She has been open about her patchy hair loss and does not chose to hide it (by wearing a wig, or doing a comb over) but flaunts it by shaving her head.
    By choosing to get the attention garnered by being a bald woman.
    Good for her!

    I am in strong agreement with neo on this–a comedian making a joke about something a front row celebrity has openly discussed/does is in no way an insult.

    PGP is right– Jada sure seems to be the boss of Will.

  49. I’m going to retract my semi-defense of Will Smith, after having read these comments. I didn’t watch the video, and I don’t follow entertainment news at all. The foul language which followed the slap would have alienated me, had I watched it. And as to the details of the Smith marriage, etc., ewww. The only saving grace may be, as someone pointed out above, if Chris Rock knew about the alopecia and that Jada is sensitive about it, then he was out of line. But according to comments, she’s had it and has been open about it for a while.

    Guess I’d better look around for a better role model of a decent man defending his wife. It may be a while.

  50. This lowlife gritty sleaze is what to expect from animals who for a half million years were terrified of noises at night or from over the hill and who used violence daily. This is the normal and usual.

    What we should desperately hold on to is the sparkling fresh new ideas of the Enlightenment and some of the fine ethics in our altruistic modern religions.

    Oscar night was a smell from our oldest instincts.

  51. Smith has now publicly apologized. It begins “Violence in all its forms is poisonous and destructive. My behavior at last night’s Academy Awards was unacceptable and inexcusable.”

    And with this, the virtue signaling of Hollywood is clear to see. His behavior was absolutely accepted by the audience and excused. They all claim violence in all its form is unacceptable, but then when it happens in front of them; they carry on as if it did not. It is why Harvey Weinstein was the open secret that all of Hollywood knew. This is why Alec Baldwin is still a member of the Academy despite numerous incidents of violence. But Trump, well he opted to run as a Republican, so his continued membership was unacceptable.

  52. So, having decided this was all theater, I see theater in Smith’s apology. “Violence in all its forms is poisonous and destructive” is nonsense. Ask my retired Marine friends about that.

  53. Three things to remember here:

    1. In Hollywood as in the media, once you can fake sincerity the rest is easy.

    2. Smith and Rock as the masters of fakery. Smith himself is the King of Fakery.

    3. Smith and his family are very, very strange. Creepy strange. It doesn’t stop with the “wife”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrHhyw9zkBs

    Moving right along here’s a take on the fakemaster Smith from a strange and stammeringly garrulous Youtuber who takes the incident apart in a very overlong look at Smith and the slapcident.

    It’s about 10 minutes long but I think this is set to 18:57

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cnS4GB_pW0&t=1122s

  54. Gerard vanderleum: Trump is on his second trophy wife. It’s one of the reasons that some kept voting against him. His romantic entanglements don’t change the fact that he was a great President and it doesn’t change the fact that Scott Adams makes a lot of interesting points and knows a lot about humor. I posted the above story because it was a Smith publicist’s worst nightmare but it has nothing to do with the Oscar night incident. We’ve all learned from the left to bring in completely irrelevant details particularly if they assault the character of the person making a point we disagree with. That’s tempting but it’s wrong.

  55. No… I follow… or used to follow …. Scott Adams quite closely. It was my habit to share the simultaneous sip while waiting for the rest of the web to kick in.

    For the past few months or more he has been clearly off his game. Adams, I agree, can make interesting points and obviously knows a lot about humor. About other things…. not so much. What long-time Adams folks notice is the absence of wife talk for some time and the fact that his cat is gone. Adams is/was all about “character” for quite awhile but of late… well, hard to tell.

    As for Melania, I believe she’s given a million of her own money to the Ukraine Relief but you’d have a hard time knowing it.

    She was a supermodel making megabucks before Trump.

    I’ve been in a room with Trump, Melania, and his daughter when his daughter was getting her modeling career off the ground. Melania commands the attention of every room she enters. It’s a force field. It’s tangible.

    Some trophy. Some wife.

  56. I also note in the catalogue of Smith’s phony/baloney incident and speech that he even cribbed the line:

    “I am a river to my people”

    from Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noyFiYKlFJU&feature=emb_logo

    And after Quinn delivers the line all his acolytes and tribesmen leap up with cheers and applause. . . much like what happened last night.

    Fake Phony Fraud. The whole pack of them and the performance (It is ALL a performance).

  57. I missed the disappearance of the cat. And yes Adams brags a little too much and sometimes really doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But he has a unique perspective. This is a case in point: he covered it in a way that no one else did – which made it interesting to share.
    Gerard vanderleum: I saw a movie with a reporter interviewing an actor. After each answer, the reporter told the actor which movie he had stolen the line from.

  58. I’ve been a conservative my whole life. This video pretty much sums up my feelings about the whole BS and my feeling bout Hollywood’s hypocrisy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b66_8PTiWY

    The rant starts from Minute 3:50.

    Best comment too about Jada’s alopecia. “You know what, alopecia for someone is a blessing. She don’t gotta shave her legs all the time. The p*$$y always come clean.” Got me giggling for hours.

  59. }}} Well, they had to do something to get in the news again.

    No, they were going to be in the news, either way:

    The award show drew 13.73 million viewers and received a 2.9 rating among adults 18-49, based on fast national ratings from Nielsen.

    This is the second lowest rating ever — the Oscar ratings have been atrocious for the last 2 years — this is literally the second time that they’ve been under 20m in history, so, betting this is “the new normal” for the Oscars, or at least as long as the Woke Shit continues to dominate.

    So this provides them with an interesting distraction from having to comment on the horrible ratings, doesn’t it?

    I do find it hilarious that they’ve been “mostly mum” about the matter, not saying anything against it other than the generic “We disapprove of violence”. Nothing about not inviting him back, nothing about behavior like that being publicly acceptable.

    Funny how all those decades when they did NOT “overtly disapprove of violence” never had anyone assault anyone on the stage before, Huh?

    I wonder if “Well, Will Smith did it!” becomes an excuse, hey?

    😛

  60. }}} Oscar nominations boost movie sales for months to come.

    Not for movies no one really wants to see, which is the main result of the expanded slate of the last decade. For most of the time, the real problem with Oscar winning was making “enough” money that people had seen the movie at all to vote for it (hence “screeners” — video tapes and dvd sent out by studios to Academy members to push for viewing of a nominee)

    OTOH, if the movie made too much money, it stood no chance to get a win.

    But the expanded slate of the last decade is mostly of movies no one has seen, few have any interest in seeing, and virtually always promotes something of the “woke” agenda. Such movies are now pushing out even vaguely popular movies, so that few have even heard of any of the nominees of late, much less the actual winner.

    Yeah, winning is worth something, but not as much as it was even 10 years ago.

    Yet another reason ticket revenues in general have fallen, except for the massive big budget actioners.

  61. “Final word”?
    One would dearly hope so….alas, it’s not to be: what seems to be lacking in this whole dreary episode is, um, NUANCE…(White nuance, of course)!
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1508969668144295936

    IOW (sigh), “I think what we’ve got here is…failure to communicate”…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk

    File under: ‘If you want a picture of the future, imagine having to say “mea culpa, mea culpa” – for ever.’ (With apologies…)

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