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  1. The Left twists freedom of speech and freedom of religion into positive rights, by saying the government has to spend time and money to make these things possible.

    The traditional understanding is that the government need only refrain from imposing limits on speech or religion, but the Left says that the government needs to provide a civil order that allows those rights to be exercised and that’s no different from providing health care or income security in principle, because it needs taxation and monopoly of force.

    Which reduces the Bill of Rights to “nice little freedom you have there, shame if something happened to it”, which I can’t help but think is the intended message.

  2. Daniel Moloney offered about 20 years ago a treatment of ‘justice’ and ‘mercy’ in First Things. It’s quite worth reading and quite incompatible with Frost’s understanding.

  3. Art Deco:

    Link to Daniel Maloney? Search of First Things archive gives hits from 2015 (justice) and 2009 (poverty and children) for Daniel Maloney.

  4. The FDR of history and influential speech-giving is such an odd, quaint notion. The young know only that it was a March of leftist triumphs, always opposed by the evil Right.

    Context contrary to such conveniently decorous themes and deeper context is not what animates them. They are armed with The Truth!

    The Truth of injustice. They have cartoons proving it!
    https://medium.com/mlft-the-ministry-of-left-field-thinking/equality-v-equity-tree-cartoon-how-about-the-roots-748e006f5575

    The point is to change it, to borrow from Marx. There’s no need for subtler meanings and to make finer distinctions.

  5. One of the problems in this justice vs mercy business is the complication unnecessarily added by the melding of the religious and the secular into one unified care institute. It is a pollution that has crept into policing as we see from recent court cases covered by some favourite resources on Neo’s blog.

    But it is preposterous to introduce concepts such as “love” into discussions of public law, as that sagging faced son of a bitch Rorty does according to the Mahoney link. As the famous saying goes, “What’s love got to do with it?”

    But Mahoney himself – insofar as I was able to bear with him – falls prey to the error of not keeping the realms sufficiently separate. Unless you are the bishop he seems most concerned with, we don’t need a way out of this through some thesis, antithesis, and mirable dictu, a “synthesis appears !”, resolution.

    The state, unlike the bishop, need not dispense a perfectly tailored ” justice” to the individual, because the business of the state is only to deal with broad categories of more or less universal competence covered by public and promulgated and knowable law covering limited areas.

    Those who participate are accountable on the theory that they are not helpless waifs with no choice in the matter.

    The law, especially American style law, i.e., secular law, is based on the presumption of voluntary citizenship. What kind? A citizenship exercised by life competent persons in the age of their majority and who are capable of acting reasonably and responsibly and prudently in return for the privilege of being denominated and accounted a political peer accepted into the community of liberty with full rights and privileges ON CONDITION.

    Otherwise, they are either aliens or someone’s wards. Herd animals may apply elsewhere.

    The secular law in a libertarian aimimg state can be calibrated well enough by taking into account major category distinctions. No principle other than the raw desire of some persons to have an all enveloping nonjudgmental god as their secular master and cushion, prevents the maintenance of a dual system of private mercy and public justice. They wish to be shown the mercy of wards, but accorded the respect and privileges of peers.

    But in a dual system you will be continually judged as part of the price of maintaining your secular peerhood, or of obtaining private – including religious – mercy.

    For the unreconstructed peasants among us, programmed, possibly, by millenia of “by your leave” breeding in systems of forced obedience and guaranteed social ” places”, this freedom is too much to bear.

    As a progressive disputant retorted during an exchange when I pointed out the liberty and choice killing and extortionate predicate of Obamacare as objectionable, “People don’t want that much freedom”.

    The sad fact is that this question arises in our society, because large numbers of persons now inhabiting it, are not fitted by nature, temprement, or desire, to live in a regime of liberty and responsibility.

    They are, whatever their level of material accumulation and social purchasimg power, the collective-focused grazing animals described by Aristotle. Fully human, taxonomically speaking, of course. Possibly even with souls, if you admit such things. But herd members all the same.

    They wish to make us all one too.

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