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Good point on climate change and Greta Thunberg

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Hard to argue with this by Arthur Chrenkoff:

While China now produces more CO2 than the United States and the European Union put together, the Asia-Pacific region (which does include a few industrialised countries, like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, but is mainly in the “developing” category, with China, India and Indonesia the most prominent examples) emits nearly twice as much CO2 as the United States and the European Union combined. And rising…

And while it’s true that in emissions per capita the developing world still leads the rest of the world where all the billions live, the climate only cares about the absolute numbers.

St Joan of Arc of the Children’s Crusade against Carbon, Greta Thunberg, should be going to Beijing or Bangalore and staging her protests there instead of, or at least in addition to, Sweden or New York. She should be hounding President Xi and Prime Minister Modi about their shameful emissions. She should be leading throngs of Asian kids out of schools for her Friday student strikes. She should be castigating the industries and the consumers of the developing world for destroying the planet and killing humanity in the process. She should be doing all this if she were serious about the global nature of the problem. But I won’t be holding my breath.

Eco-alarmists speak as though they are serious – extremely serious – about measures to implement changes to slow and/or stop the trends they see as causing AGW. But there are many things eco-alarmists would be doing if they were to act as serious as they sound. One would be someone like Greta Thunberg focusing on China and other parts of Asia. Another – and a much bigger one, IMHO – would be to promote nuclear power.

But they don’t. That is because, as Chrenkoff also points out:

For some…, such radical transformation is a feature and not a bug, with “climate change” being treated as a convenient excuse to implement their anti-capitalist, anti-growth, anti-freedom agenda. As this week’s “Economist” proclaims, “because the processes that force climate change are built into the foundations of the world economy and of geopolitics, measures to check climate change have to be similarly wide-ranging and all-encompassing. To decarbonise an economy is not a simple subtraction; it requires a near-complete overhaul.” For the formerly liberal flagship that is now the voice of the woke conventional wisdom (“Ecommunist”?), this is something to be looked forward and embraced; for the self-avowed socialist and budding authoritarians like George Monbiot (“For the sake of life on earth, we must put a limit on wealth”), Ocasio-Cortez and Thunberg it is even more so. “A near complete overhaul” of the capitalist economy, which built the modern world and modernity over the past three centuries, is every leftie’s wet dream.

They are playing for very high stakes.

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Good point on climate change and Greta Thunberg — 57 Comments

  1. This is similar to feminists lack of interest in the treatment of women in Muslim countries while ranting about minor to non existent issues in the US.

    A combination of anti capitalism and the knowledge that nothing will happen to them here while in Muslim countries or China bad things happen to these kind of protesters.

  2. I’m not so sure she won’t go to China at some point. She came to New York because the UN is holding a Climate Change Summit, which btw has leaders from China [and India] present. So optics are important in getting out a message and starting at a Climate Change Summit is certainly a good place to start.

    Another good reason to come to the United States is because we are a global leader and can set the tone for the rest of the world. Making your voice heard in the US can have more positive effect than in China. It’s worth noting too that while China is a leader in carbon dioxide emissions [as of 2014 data] it actually ranks 42nd per capita while the US ranks 11th. But I don’t think she is somehow avoiding China or letting them off the hook. She’s 16 years old. Plenty of years to visit other countries and get out her message – although she takes the slow travel route.

  3. Montage:

    It’s not about Thunberg, in case that’s not already completely obvious. She is a front for useful idiots who respond to that sort of thing. She is being used to rabble-rouse, for the emotional punch of a young girl saying things to make people frightened.

    And perhaps she will go to China someday. Especially if her handlers read something like that article and think a China visit would be good PR.

    As the article points out, the per capita thing is not especially relevant. I already quoted the sentence, but here it is again:

    And while it’s true that in emissions per capita the developing world still leads the rest of the world where all the billions live, the climate only cares about the absolute numbers.

  4. Strict carbon limits at this point would result in severe and negative life changes for people in the developing world. And, eventually, for us.

    We should instead be pushing the new generation of nuclear power generation. I read the other day about liquid salt nuclear reactors. Mini-nukes which generate electricity, limit emissions, and allow distributed transmission would change everything.

  5. Don’t we all applaud their holy inborn wisdom, and take direction from heavily propagandized, screaming 16 year olds with Autism, Asperger’s, and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder; puppets with someone else—Soros?—paying the bills, making the arrangements, and pulling the strings?

    Aren’t such remarkable and prescient children’s tears (Dad, I want Johnny to sleep over, a dog, and my own cell phone, and why can’t I vape, I’m sixteen—door slams, and crying heard) just and “sacred”?

    Don’t we all feel intense shame for having “stolen her childhood,” and forcing Thunberg—like the Vikings of old—to sail over the sea to scold us and set us right, here in the U.S. and the world (but, I happen to note, she and the boat’s crew not sailing back, but taking a “high carbon footprint” airplane to return home, now that their stunt is over), to berate and to shame us into destroying/“fundamentally transforming” our economy, and turning the direction of our lives and fortunes over to her, others like her, and the Left, on her and their assurance that “the Science is settled,” and that we only have a dozen or so years of life here on Earth left, unless we knuckle under to her and the Left’s demands?

    I’d say that the Left’s whole “Climate change” campaign—Thunberg’s stunt just a small part of it—is a farce, but calling it a farce doesn’t nearly do it’s ridiculousness (and danger) justice.

    The only consolation in all this clown show is that she got to berate the clowns at the UN, who deserve all the berating that they get.

  6. I think she has her own convictions. But I’ll agree she is being used. That’s PR 101. Use what you can to get out your message – and yes children are often used. The key is the message. Is it a good one or a bad one?

    I see the comment by ‘kate’ is a good one. It points to a solution. Granted a controversial one, but a solution. Bill Gates has been trying to work with China to begin building new nuclear power reactors that are safer and cheaper. Politics has stalled the attempt.

  7. Montage:

    As I already wrote in my post:

    But there are many things eco-alarmists would be doing if they were to act as serious as they sound. One would be someone like Greta Thunberg focusing on China and other parts of Asia. Another – and a much bigger one, IMHO – would be to promote nuclear power.

    The right’s been saying that for many years.

    And of course Greta has her convictions. Many children do. But that’s irrelevant.

  8. This is of a piece with all of the people from the “Entertainment Industry” telling us how to run our lives, what to believe, think, and say, what to eat, how to educate our children, and who to vote for, evidently based on their assumption that merely by being able to sing or write a song, to write a play or TV script, read lines and act, create a movie, or to play an instrument, sing or dance, they have—somehow—become endowed with superior virtue, morality, and wisdom; with “higher level consciousness,” with Bodhisattva-like comprehension and vision that is far more exalted and far-sighted that our grubby and slow-witted comprehension can grasp, have thus been given the right—nay, the “duty”—to “intervene” in our lives.

    All too evidently, then, we must listen to, to be guided by, and to obey our “betters.”

  9. Its pretty maddening, no “edit” function available for my comment immediately above, but there was an edit function available when I wrote the comment before that, a few minutes prior.

  10. Interesting — Greta Thunberg doesn’t seem to be totally against nuclear power — from a post on her Facebook page this past March:

    “Personally I am against nuclear power, but according to the IPCC, it can be a small part of a very big new carbon free energy solution, especially in countries and areas that lack the possibility of a full scale renewable energy supply – even though its extremely dangerous, expensive and time consuming. But let’s leave that debate until we start looking at the full picture.”

  13. St Joan of Arc of the Children’s Crusade against Carbon, Greta Thunberg,

    I get why Chrenkoff makes the comparison and am not too bothered, but Joan of Arc was a great deal more than a Greta Thunberg.

    By all external evidence, Joan was extraordinarily bright and good-hearted, a quick study, a natural leader and absolutely courageous–not at all crazy. She did not want to die and without violating her convictions she did her best to prevent it.

    Joan of Arc began having visions at 13, left on her quest at 16, led French armies to victories at 17, was captured by her enemies at 18, and successfully matched wits with her accusers only to be burned at the stake at 19.

    It was so short a time, she was so young, and what she did so arduous and without precedent. It’s hard to see how she was able to develop into who she became. I can’t think of anyone, female or male, in any century to compare with her. I have to side with these lines from Mary Gordon:

    There is no one like her.
    ***
    There is no one like her.

    –Mary Gordon, _Joan of Arc_

  14. The USCRN network of 114 temperature monitoring stations created by NOAA and purposely located outside of urban centers to avoid corruption from the urban heat island effect, have reflected no warming at all in the continental USA over the last 15 years.

  15. Back when I was doing my bit in the climate debates several years ago, a climate change agit prop guy threw a cartoon at me like it settled things:

    At a presentation on climate change the speaker shows a PowerPoint outline on the screen going on about the pros of climate change mitigation (preventing climate change rather than adapting to it) which lists the Green New Deal laundry list of “energy independence, rain forests, sustainabilty, green jobs, livable cities, healthy children, etc. etc.”

    However, in the cartoon a stupid critic (like me) asks the stupid question:

    What if it’s a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?
    http://neverendingaudit.tumblr.com/post/692102203

    My response:

    For some of us that cartoon is a classic clue that climate scientists and their advocates are “bending science to their beliefs” in favor of progressive green utopianism.

    It also a clue that the advocates fail to comprehend the huge challenge of reducing GHG emissions and the risks involved to the world economy.

    We are seeing the fanciful green energy programs crash and burn around us in the past few years.

    What if we create a worse world for nothing?

  16. That debate was on Keith Kloor’s science blog, which has been archived here:

    “Conservatives Who Think Seriously About the Planet”
    http://www.keithkloor.com/?p=8797

    Kloor is a liberal journalist, specializing in science. He was pretty liberal with the usual prejudices and blind spots. But he allowed the skeptics to have their say, more than any other liberal blog in which I participated. Credit where credit is due.

    BTW, my cartoon opponent never replied to me, but moved on to picking easier fights with other skeptics.

  17. Sadly, Kloor grew weary of hosting a contentious blog (plus maybe seeing the climate change lunch eaten by skeptics) and phased it out.

  18. The level of smug arrogance of the brained washed climate alarmists is amazing. The nefarious manipulations to promote hysteria for a hidden (globalist) agenda is obvious. The Canadian government recently altered past temperature records to “what they should be” is being done in plain sight and that is one of many examples of blatant manipulations to fill gullible minds with fear.

    Want to know what fuels weather and real climate change? Look no further than the star we call the sun.

  20. huxley – totally agree with you that the unique character of Jeanne d’Arc should not be sullied by comparing her to lesser mortals.
    Her jousting with her inquisitors is one of the all-time best courtroom dramas.

    he trial record contains statements from Joan that the eyewitnesses later said astonished the court, since she was an illiterate peasant and yet was able to evade the theological pitfalls the tribunal had set up to entrap her. The transcript’s most famous exchange is an exercise in subtlety: “Asked if she knew she was in God’s grace, she answered, ‘If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep me.'”[81] The question is a scholarly trap. Church doctrine held that no one could be certain of being in God’s grace. If she had answered yes, then she would have been charged with heresy. If she had answered no, then she would have confessed her own guilt. The court notary Boisguillaume later testified that at the moment the court heard her reply, “Those who were interrogating her were stupefied.”[82]

    BTW, corrupt prosecutors are not a new thing.

    The procedure was suspect on a number of points, which would later provoke criticism of the tribunal by the chief inquisitor who investigated the trial after the war.[74]

    Under ecclesiastical law, Bishop Cauchon lacked jurisdiction over the case.[75] Cauchon owed his appointment to his partisan support of the English Crown, which financed the trial. The low standard of evidence used in the trial also violated inquisitorial rules.[76] Clerical notary Nicolas Bailly, who was commissioned to collect testimony against Joan, could find no adverse evidence.[77] Without such evidence the court lacked grounds to initiate a trial. Opening a trial anyway, the court also violated ecclesiastical law by denying Joan the right to a legal adviser. In addition, stacking the tribunal entirely with pro-English clergy violated the medieval Church’s requirement that heresy trials be judged by an impartial or balanced group of clerics. Upon the opening of the first public examination, Joan complained that those present were all partisans against her and asked for “ecclesiastics of the French side” to be invited in order to provide balance. This request was denied.[78]
    The Vice-Inquisitor of Northern France (Jean Lemaitre) objected to the trial at its outset, and several eyewitnesses later said he was forced to cooperate after the English threatened his life.[79] Some of the other clergy at the trial were also threatened when they refused to cooperate, including a Dominican friar named Isambart de la Pierre.[80] These threats, and the domination of the trial by a secular government, were violations of the Church’s rules and undermined the right of the Church to conduct heresy trials without secular interference.[citation needed]
    …
    Several members of the tribunal later testified that important portions of the transcript were falsified by being altered in her disfavor. Under Inquisitorial guidelines, Joan should have been confined in an ecclesiastical prison under the supervision of female guards (i.e., nuns). Instead, the English kept her in a secular prison guarded by their own soldiers. Bishop Cauchon denied Joan’s appeals to the Council of Basel and the Pope, which should have stopped his proceeding.[83]

    The twelve articles of accusation which summarized the court’s findings contradicted the court record, which had already been doctored by the judges.[84][85] Under threat of immediate execution, the illiterate defendant signed an abjuration document that she did not understand. The court substituted a different abjuration in the official record.[86

    All quotes are from Wikipedia, which seems at a rough glance to comport with most of what I learned studying Joan in depth about 25 years ago.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc#Trial

  21. I highly recommend Mark Twain’s “Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc”
    Twain’s wife considered it his best work, and it’s hard to disagree.

  22. tuckers guest was saying what kind of person would put this girl up there?
    the kind that would supply Hitler with iron ore in exchange for Death Camp Dental old.

  23. I’ve now seen a little more of Thunberg’s rant at the UN, and she not only accused the delegates of “stealing her childhood,” but also of “killing her dreams,” and she scolded those assembled with quite a few “how dare yous” as well.

    Gee, I never knew that the UN was that effective, to be able to both “steal her childhood” and to “kill her dreams.”

    Honestly, this was an embarrassing display, just cheap hysteria and agitprop.

    I did note, looking around the Internet, reports that it was Monaco’s royal family which had supplied the million dollar yacht for Thunberg to go aviking to the U.S.

    How nice of them.

  24. Thanks to both Aesop and huxley for their info on Joan of Arc.

    Also, Aesop, for the Tony Heller video. I particularly like his dragging of the trend-line graph of the number of days each year in which the temperature was ? 90?F in Waverly, Ohio, from a start in 1890 [at 8:34, or 8:30 to be on the safe side] to a start on 7/3/1955 [at 8:49], and then extrapolating that second line out to 2079. Ouch!!! Very telling, because you can watch the slope of the line going from negative to positive as the starting date of the line changes.

    . . .

    Useful new word for the day: Climastrology. [Referring to the pushers of Climate Alarm.] Seen in a page on DDG Search results.

    . . .

    So, given its frequent lack, what is the level of Tony Heller’s credibility?

    Naturally, the Usual Suspects are certain that he has horns, a pitchfork, and a forked tail. But there’s also been some bad-mouthing of Mr. Heller among us more sensible folk :>)). [Even reputable scientists often disagree, of course.]

    For instance, Anthony Watts at one point back in 2017 excommunicated him from the ranks of Dedicated Science Deniers [a.k.a. sensible anti-CAGW folks]. But that apparently has blown over. Considerable discussion of this at

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/07/comments-on-the-new-rss-lower-tropospheric-temperature-dataset/

    He used to write under the name of “Steve Goddard.” You can see what he had to say about himself at that time (in 2014) at his very interesting page,

    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/who-is-steven-goddard/ .

    He lists his areas of activity, present and past, at his present website (the comments are mostly pro-Heller, but there’s some back-and-forth):

    https://realclimatescience.com/2019/04/who-is-tony-heller/

    –I hope this doesn’t need editing.

  25. https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/09/23/greta-thunberg-helpfully-exhorts-un-climate-summit-how-dare-you-you-are-failing-us-we-will-never-forgive-you

    At a certain point, you have to cut line and speak the truth: there is no common ground with cult insanity. There is no obligation to “compromise” with this – there’s no basis for compromise!

    None of it is young Greta Thunberg’s fault. She’s an overmanipulated child (who reportedly has Asperger’s and an anxiety disorder). But one thing is crystal clear: this isn’t “science.”

    Cult sacrifices to propitiate the gods of the weather / climate are not new.

    When the Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés and his men arrived in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlán in 1521, they described witnessing a grisly ceremony. Aztec priests, using razor-sharp obsidian blades, sliced open the chests of sacrificial victims and offered their still-beating hearts to the gods. They then tossed the victims’ lifeless bodies down the steps of the towering Templo Mayor.

    Andrés de Tapia, a conquistador, described two rounded towers flanking the Templo Mayor made entirely of human skulls, and between them, a towering wooden rack displaying thousands more skulls with bored holes on either side to allow the skulls to slide onto the wooden poles.
    …
    in 2015 and 2018, archeologists working at the Templo Mayor excavation site in Mexico City discovered proof of widespread human sacrifice among the Aztecs—none other than the very skull towers and skull racks that conquistadors had described in their accounts.
    …
    the practice held spiritual significance for the Aztecs.

    “It was a deeply serious and important thing for them,” says Verano. Large and small human sacrifices would be made throughout the year to coincide with important calendar dates, he explains, to dedicate temples, to reverse drought and famine, and more.

    The rationale for Aztec human sacrifice was, first and foremost, a matter of survival. According to Aztec cosmology, the sun god Huitzilopochtli was waging a constant war against darkness, and if the darkness won, the world would end. The (sic) keep the sun moving across the sky and preserve their very lives, the Aztecs had to feed Huitzilopochtli with human hearts and blood.
    …
    Verano says that across history and cultures, the rise of ritual human sacrifice often coincides with the emergence of complex societies and social stratification. It’s a particularly effective method of intimidating rivals and keeping your own people in line. Just look at the gladiator battles of Imperial Rome or the mass burials of servants and captives alongside Egyptian pharaohs and Chinese kings.

    Also, as hard as it is to imagine, many captured soldiers, slaves and Aztec citizens went willingly to the sacrificial altar. To give your heart to Huitzilopochtli was a tremendous honor and a guaranteed ticket to a blessed afterlife fighting in the sun god’s army against the forces of darkness.

  26. Fred,

    Thanks for the reference to Mark Twain’s novel; it sounds interesting. Per DDG, it can be found at gutenberg.org, at eBay (if it’s still there), and, with a preface by Twain, at

    http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_mark_twain.asp

    where there is also, unfortunately, an ad for the Maid of Heaven that covers up the lowest several lines of text as you scroll down.

  27. Sorry if someone already noted this, but I just saw a snippet of Thuneberg’s fiery speech and it was so, so very dramatic, delivered with great poise, emotion and timing and without notes.

    So I went to that avowed conservative website, wikipedia, looked up her family history, and lo and behold, by some strange coincidence, gramps was an actor and director, pops is an actor, mom an opera singer, entertainers all. So, who wrote her eloquent speech and trained her as an actor? How much of what she says are her own words and feelings?

    Her actual knowledge of climate science and grasp of facts and evidence are miniscule. It reminds me of the kids chanting Obama’s name in 2008; here’s another appealing child, this one being used in the service of the climate change cult.

  28. Hmm, to compare Thunberg to Joan is a distraction. Joan was willing to die for her cause, Thunberg is a manipulated on the spectrum kid mouthing BS. Shame on her parents for exploiting her instead of keeping her at home. But perhaps the parents have gained financially.

    I ususally have no pity for fools, but Thundberg is a fool I pity given her circumstances. She has anxieties caused by those who have exploited her vulnerabilities, nothing like taking advantage of a vulnerable teen to advance a devious agenda.

    So much for for the children.

  29. AesopFan, Fred the Fourth, Julie near Chicago: Good to meet others who have made the journey with Joan of Arc or are interested.

    It was her testimony before the inquisitorial court which finished me. One may wonder how accurate or embellished her exploits were as the Maid of Orleans, but with the court transcripts we have her actual, luminous words.

    Joan was imprisoned. She was 19, alone, with no support, no advocate, yet she outwitted her accusers to such a degree the court was forced to remove its proceedings from public to private. Plus the shenanigans which AesopFan supplies.

    Fred the Fourth: George Bernard Shaw also fell under Joan’s spell and wrote the play, “Saint Joan,” about her life.

    “Joan of Arc: In Her Own Words”
    https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Arc-her-own-words/dp/1885983085

    I donated 3/4 of my books when I left San Francisco, but not this one.

  31. A huge difference between Joan and Greta is Joan did everything on her own. There were no family members directing things behind the scenes.

    After impressing the Dauphin of France (who at first hid from her) with her faith and forceful personality, she was given control of his army, but she still had to gain the trust of his hardened officers and soldiers, which she did. They became willing to fight and die for her mission and many did.

    While things went well and she won battles, she had the support of the Dauphin and his court. But after her string of victories broke and she was captured, they didn’t lift a finger for her.

    Greta Thunberg, you’re no Joan of Arc!

  32. I watched some of Thunberg’s speech. Chilling! That is the sort of faith in a cause that drives the “Dead Men Walking” Islamic jihadis.
    We are witnessing a modern example of “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.” It’s frightening to me because these young people have been brainwashed and there is virtually no way for them to become educated to the true facts. Their minds are closed.The MSM is all in on this propaganda and will attempt to stampede not only the children but more adults. I can now see how tyrants like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were able to come to power. People are easily propagandized, even in a free, democratic country. This cult-like belief could be the thing that brings the Republic down.

    Vote, write your representatives, support candidates who are informed, and help friends and family to understand the facts. If not us, who will stand against this madness?

  33. I wonder if there’s a way to get some of these climate looneys to put some money down on the proposition that we’re all gonna die in 12 years?

  34. So much has been written about Joan of Arc. This site says there are “over twenty thousand books about Jeanne d’Arc in the Bibliothèque nationale de France alone”.

    A year or so ago, I found an old, falling-apart copy in the library of one written by Vita Sackville-West and really enjoyed it — here’s what a 1937 review said about it:

    Miss Sackville-West who, in her lengthy, solid, and very creditable study of the Maid, is much more conservative and wary than Mr. Shaw, has contrived to please everybody by investigating the whole story of Joan in a thoroughgoing and scientific fashion, and then adding a remarkable last chapter wherein full respects are paid to the mystical approach, or the heart of Joan’s mystery, or whatever one chooses to call it. “She is a figure who challenges some of the profoundest tenets of what we do and what we do not believe.” Disclaiming any orthodox beliefs herself, Miss Sackville-West thinks that the so-called scientific and the so-called religious lines of approach may some day prove to be not parallel but convergent. Saint Joan was probably born with a sixth sense of receptivity to which such words as “miraculous” and “supernatural” may fitly be attached. As regards the “fairness” of the Rouen trial, Miss Sackville-West does not fail to mention Joan’s reiterated appeal to the Pope and the Council of Basel, something completely ignored by Mr. Shaw and something which makes nonsense of his defence of Cauchon, the Inquisitor, and the other heartless and frightened shavepates at the mercy of an English army howling for blood. Finally, Miss Sackville-West rescues Saint Joan from the schoolma’ams by reminding the reader that she was the least sentimental of saints. Not for her the roses and mignonette, as for the “Little Flower,” but rather the laurels and the bays—to say nothing of the thorns. It is a very fine biography indeed, and may well prove to be the last word on its subject in our tongue.

  35. Ann: That was an amazing book! (Which I have kept in my collection as well.)

    Vita Sackville-West believed in “one comprehensive, stupendous unity” but she was not a Christian, and was therefore unable to resolve her crisis with Joan. Sackville-West wrote:
    ___________________________________________________

    My readings into Joan of Arc have done nothing but increase my belief in the existence of that unity, and also the belief that certain persons are in touch with …[this] unity, for which we have no adequate name. Without pretending to explain how or why…I accept the fact…that Jeanne must be regarded as prominent among them….

    It would simplify the whole problem if we could just believe that God sent three of his saints to instruct Jeanne; if we could throw ourselves into the frame of mind of a good, believing Christian. Unfortunately, for some of us, this attitude is impossible to blindly adopt. I have been painfully torn myself.

    I do not claim to have found [the answer to Joan of Arc] in this book. I take the view that many years, possibly hundreds of years, may elapse before it is found at at all….

    –Vita Sackville-West, “Saint Joan of Arc”
    ______________________________________________

    The story of Joan of Arc is one of the most spooky and powerful I know. There is a genuine mystery here.

  36. FWIW, Sackville-West was a successful poet and novelist of her time, a member of the Bloomsbury Group, and a lover to Virginia Woolf. Sackville-West inspired Woolf’s well-known novel, “Orlando: A Biography.”

  37. Huxley: She was also a great gardener and wrote a newspaper column and books about gardening. Not sure if the books are still in print.

  38. Greta’s parents and teachers have, if anyone has, “stolen her dreams”. More accurately, converted dreams into nightmares.
    I believe she is frightened.
    She is frightening others, and supporting hysteria.

    She was born after Gore won a Nobel Peace prize for his dishonest film “An Inconvenient Truth”. Around that time, there were 7 different models of temperature published by the IPCC, all showing global warming.

    All of those models are wrong – the reality of Earth temperatures since then 2001 has NOT shown global warming.

    The power of science, the truth of science, is the ability to predict the future reality. Accurately. Consistently.

    Astrology is still followed by many because it often gives people good advice, or describes their situations in ways that seem insightful. But various studies of it show that it often fails as well. Not accurate consistently, not “science”.

    Climastrology is a good name for Greta’s non-scientific belief.
    She’s a watermelon – green outside, socialist red inside. Supporting Venezuela style reduction in carbon. I’m pretty sure the carbon footprint has gone down there over the last few years.

  39. The arbitrary 2 degrees C mantra started in the 90s or so. At the rate warming had happened in the previous 20 years seemed like that reaching that limit should be quick. Then came the pause and the o shit moment. But then came the second arbitrary 1.5 which seems more readable in the young folks lifetime.

  40. If you are going to extort money out of people you need to,
    a) go where the money is and,
    b) go where the people have a collective guilt complex.

  41. Tom Grey
    “…the reality of Earth temperatures since then 2001 has NOT shown global warming.

    Yet on aggregation sites like ScienceAlert.com and physorg.com, recent articles claim that both July and August were the hottest ever recorded in the history of the entire freakin’ multiverse, like they’ve done for nearly every month since Climate Cooling died 40 years ago.

    Unfortunately, the Marxist march through every one of our institutions has been highly successful, and the propaganda has been creating good little socialists out of our children for the last several generations.

  42. This analysis makes the interesting point that instead of being the “parents” and setting rules, Thunberg’s parents have allowed Greta’s condition and obsessions to rule the roost, to determine the course of their lives, and little Greta has forced her parents to give up their respective careers because, in traveling around to advance those careers, they were, in effect, “sinning” against mother Earth.

    See https://victorygirlsblog.com/greta-thunberg-is-her-parents-failure/

  43. Maybe her parents aren’t handling this as well as they could, but they do have a child with some pretty big and very worrying problems. Here’s Greta on Instagram:

    I’m not public about my diagnosis to “hide” behind it, but because I know many ignorant people still see it as an “illness”, or something negative. And believe me, my diagnosis has limited me before. Before I started school striking I had no energy, no friends and I didn’t speak to anyone. I just sat alone at home, with an eating disorder. All of that is gone now, since I have found a meaning, in a world that sometimes seems meaningless to so many people.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B12ChnkioB9/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=dlfix

  44. “It’s worth noting too that while China is a leader in carbon dioxide emissions [as of 2014 data] it actually ranks 42nd per capita while the US ranks 11th.“

    I was completely unaware that nature cared about per capita, rather than actual total emissions. Yes, China has the advantage of a huge population to reduce its per capita number so Mother Earth gives it a pass.

  45. I can’t stand hearing Thunberg referred to as a child. True, she is not an adult, but by the time I was 16, I had been babysitting for a few years. I also was sent by my mother to stay with 2 cousins whose mother had just died so I could fix supper and breakfast for them while she went with her brother the next day to make funeral arrangements. Mom said my other aunts would take over in the afternoon after they got things organized in their own families. I visited lots of family member in the nearby hospital with my mom and helped her get dinner for relatives who were with them at the hospital. Mom also suggested I join the Junior Red Cross, which friend of hers took HS kids to volunteer at the local VA hospital. Our HS had many projects to raise money for church organizations; one was organizing a car wash.

    In other words, my parents thought their kids should learn about real life so that by their teens they could begin to deal with it. Maybe Greta’s should have given her some real life things to do when she was younger.

  46. huxley first of all,

    I come very late to this thread, but it’s great to see Joan of Arc not only treated with respect but lauded. “Joan of Arc: In Her Own Words” is a book which actually brought tears to my eyes.

    She’s been portrayed in films many times, and the best one is still the silent classic by Dreyer, which features Antonin Artaud in a memorable role.

  47. To add to Thunberg’s ailments add some sort of anxiety disorder, and an eating disorder as well.

    From what she herself has written, it seems as if, suffering as she was, when she realized that, in some way, it was climate change and people’s bad behavior towards the Earth that was responsible for what she was experiencing and being crippled by, then, it became clear to her that she had a purpose–one that probably acted to push her symptoms and obsessions to the side (or meshed quite nicely with them)–she had to go on a crusade to battle this climate change monster.

    So, it wasn’t just bad luck, it is everyone else’s fault that she has the ailments she has, because of everyone else’s bad behavior.

  48. It would simplify the whole problem if we could just believe that God sent three of his saints to instruct Jeanne; if we could throw ourselves into the frame of mind of a good, believing Christian. Unfortunately, for some of us, this attitude is impossible to blindly adopt. I have been painfully torn myself.
    –Vita Sackville-West, “Saint Joan of Arc”

    I don’t actually have a problem with this, given that the God Jeanne believed in makes a habit of that sort of thing.
    The clerical inquisitors were working for the English, yes, but they were furious because The Maid had dared to usurp their monopoly on God.

  50. Huxley: She was also a great gardener and wrote a newspaper column and books about gardening. Not sure if the books are still in print.

    Ann: At first I thought, “I didn’t know Joan of Arc was a gardener.” I wouldn’t put it past her. Then I realized your antecedent to “she” was Vita Sackville-West, which made more sense.

    I’m reminded of a comment George Harrison made that his son, Dhani, while a child, believed George was a gardener, because he was always landscaping his 36-acre estate.

  51. “Joan of Arc: In Her Own Words” is a book which actually brought tears to my eyes.

    miklos000rosza: Me too.

    I have discovered repeatedly that there is an odd underground of people, the better people at least, who have been touched by Joan.

    May there never be a “Newsweek” article about us!

  52. The clerical inquisitors were working for the English, yes, but they were furious because The Maid had dared to usurp their monopoly on God.

    AesopFan: It only took the Roman Catholic Church 490 years to canonize Joan of Arc. She was a problem in the 15th century and into the 20th (1920). My serious Catholic friend says Joan was a factor in what led to Vatican II.

    It’s not well-known, but St. Francis posed a similar problem for the Church. He was lucky not to be martyred. Another inconvenient saint, who preferred to follow the Call and not the Organization.

  53. “I’ll believe it’s a crisis when the people who tell me it’s a crisis begin to behave like it’s a crisis.” — Instapundit; paraphrasing his brilliant meme.

    https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/23/climate-alarmists-save-planet-forcing-d-c-cars-idle/
    JOHN NOLTE 23 Sep 2019

    A couple dozen left-wing environmental groups in Washington, DC, claim they are saving the planet by lighting garbage on fire and forcing automobiles to sit idle.
    According to the event’s own Facebook page, the goal is to “block key infrastructure to stop business-as-usual, bringing the whole city to a gridlocked standstill.”

    But who are these people, really? Degenerate litterbugs determined to create even more pollution.

    Thanks to these brave warriors fighting for their precious Mother Earth, thousands of cars are spewing tons of exhaust into the air that wouldn’t have if these enviro-crybabies had real jobs. Here’s an official rundown of all the traffic that’s been blocked.

    And if that’s not bad enough, they’re lighting garbage on fire…
    In the middle of a city street, those who claim to care about the environment have grabbed a garbage dumpster — filled with heaven only knows what — and indiscriminately lit it on fire.

    So what we have here is yet another example of so-called environmentalists behaving in a way that proves that they themselves do not believe what they claim to believe. Just as we saw Climate Change-alarmist Barack Obama spend $15 million to live a stone’s throw from the very same ocean he tells us will soon rise and wipe out his $15 million investment, we have these spoiled crybabies deliberately creating more pollution.
    …
    Never forget the following… when it comes to predictions from climate alarmists, from the so-called “experts,” these frauds are 0-41.

    Over the course of my lifetime, these lying grifters in the environmental and scientific community have not gotten one — not one! — alarmist prediction correct.

    It is all a hoax. It is all the sheep’s clothing of socialism, and do you really want people who block traffic and light dumpsters on fire and terrorize young minds in charge of your life?

  56. And, of course, we all remember the stories and pictures of the trash that always seems to be left behind when the Democrats have a meeting….

  57. Re: Thunberg, I thought that this was a very acute observation—

    “At least once a year, progressives require some new folk hero – preferably a child, or a grieving family member – who can be used as a front for a political argument without being subject to the regular give-and-take of criticism that comes with the territory. It’s shabby.”

    See https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1176243746285019137.html

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